Nintendo Dangerously Close to Going The Way Of Sega

Both are a "bridge" to the true next-gen consoles in terms of hardware power.

peterw007

The DC is 6th generation console, not a bridge or what ever the **** some confused people want to call it.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

lols...they are aa shadow of what they were..they are MS,Sony,and nintendos lap dog is what they are..

KBFloYd

You don't remember Sega in the 90's, do you?

I think Sega's rebound quite well from their near-financial collapse.

yea bro i dont remember sonic..streets of rage, shinobi, ecco the dolphin,mortal kombat 2(blood version),joe montana football,buster douglas boxing, and a whole bunch of other exclusives..
they were better than nintendo ..many thought in those days..

and now they are making games out of their garage for nintendo to give them handouts...

please ..sega is not better than back in the 90's

I didn't say Sega regained it's quality. I meant to say they have rebounded in terms of profits.

Stronger than ever...meaning in a much better financial situation now than in the 90's.

But Sega still makes good games sometimes. I thought Sonic Colors and Valkyria Chronicles were amazing.

[QUOTE="Sky-"]

[QUOTE="Slimmin360"]

I've also read further articles that stated if Nintendo Sales don't pick up for 3DS, and do very well for the new Wii-U when it releases then Nintendo could very well be just a software company by 2013.

peterw007

That is a highly unlikely scenario. Sure the 3DS is off to a slow start, but so was the DS. I think that will turn around once something like Mario Kart or Pokemon is released.

Nintendo was first in both handhelds and consoles this generation. They aren't going anywhere any time soon.

Sony went from 150 million PS2s -> 50 million PS3s because of a botched launch. That's 100 million customers lost.

Nintendo could easily go from 90 million Wii's -> 20 million Wii U's if they completely mess up the 8th gen.

Sony also charged $600 ($1000 if your like me and live in Australia T_T) which created the Wii60 mentality (For 1 Sony console i can but a Wii and 360 and enjoy more games for less) and made some ridicoulus statements that simply annoyed people a lot, who is going to get a 2nd job just because Sony released a new console.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

If Sony can pull through the release that was the ps3,I'm sure Ninty will pull through this one.

russiaAK47

playstation consoles are the highest selling of all time.

I personally wouldn't mind a sofware only nintendo. In fact, as I've said multiple times, i believe that is something we all deserve to see.

I personally wouldn't mind a sofware only nintendo. In fact, as I've said multiple times, i believe that is something we all deserve to see.

flashn00b

i think it would be cool too see them go software only...but so wierd

I didn't say Sega regained it's quality. I meant to say they have rebounded in terms of profits.

Stronger than ever...meaning in a much better financial situation now than in the 90's.

But Sega still makes good games sometimes. I thought Sonic Colors and Valkyria Chronicles were amazing.

peterw007

no.. if they were better than in the 90's they would have their own console it and be leading in sales over the 360..

they cant afford that anymore.

i haver sonic colors here sealed..havnt started it.,.im working on epic yarn
sonic generations looks awesome..
still they are a shadow both software and financially

[QUOTE="russiaAK47"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

If Sony can pull through the release that was the ps3,I'm sure Ninty will pull through this one.

nintendofreak_2

playstation consoles are the highest selling of all time.

Gamecube sold about 24 milions during its life cycle, PS3 has over 50 milions sold already. Get your facts right.

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Worldwide_sales_figures_5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameCube#Reception_and_sales

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="Slimmin360"]

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/25/nintendo-profits-fall-66-in-fiscal-year-3ds-sells-3-61-million/

I've also read further articles that stated if Nintendo Sales don't pick up for 3DS, and do very well for the new Wii-U when it releases then Nintendo could very well be just a software company by 2013.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that but only time will tell, looks like the 3D gimmick of 3DS was a bad move, lets hope this new so called interactive controller for the Wii-U is a much better gimmick, otherwise i think Nintendo isn't long for hardware production.

bbkkristian

Yeah that's not gonna happen.

Sony also charged $600 ($1000 if your like me and live in Australia T_T) which created the Wii60 mentality (For 1 Sony console i can but a Wii and 360 and enjoy more games for less) and made some ridicoulus statements that simply annoyed people a lot, who is going to get a 2nd job just because Sony released a new console.

ugoo18

Nintendo made the 3DS $250 in a recession even though it only takes $100 to make, gave it a 3 hour battery life, and launched it with no good games.

Even the games coming out look...meh. Nothing that jumps out at me and says "BUY A 3DS NOW."

Nintendo really needs a string of runaway hits (New IPs) to get it anywhere CLOSE to the DS's 146 million.

Not even Pokemon can save them.

Also...everybody has smartphones now and can game on them. Back in 2005, phones couldn't do that (aside from Snake and maybe Tetris).

Why should a casual buy a 3DS for games when they have their phone?

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It certainly looks like a botched launch (like the PS3's) to me.

Gamecube sold about 24 milions during its life cycle, PS3 has over 50 milions sold already. Get your facts right.

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Worldwide_sales_figures_5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameCube#Reception_and_sales

BlbecekBobecek

If the WiiU flop like the 3DS have flop...then maybe Nintendo it will be the next Sega.The 3DS it was a bad move but i think the WiiU it will be a very good console.AtariKidX

yea and if ps4 flop like ps3 flop..same thing.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Coolyfett"]Is there really such a thing as a BETTER gimmick?? How does that work exactly??

Nozizaki

After the failed Gamecube they came out with the Wii. Dangerously close? Absolutely not.

Why should a casual buy a 3DS for games when they have their phone?

peterw007

That's a problem the Vita is going to have as well. Its the handheld's biggest enemy.

That's why its aimed at the younger audience, the once without smartphones. (I know count is even dwindling these days :roll: )

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

Sony also charged $600 ($1000 if your like me and live in Australia T_T) which created the Wii60 mentality (For 1 Sony console i can but a Wii and 360 and enjoy more games for less) and made some ridicoulus statements that simply annoyed people a lot, who is going to get a 2nd job just because Sony released a new console.

peterw007

Nintendo made the 3DS $250 in a recession even though it only takes $100 to make, gave it a 3 hour battery life, and launched it with no good games.

Even the games coming out look...meh. Nothing that jumps out at me and says "BUY A 3DS NOW."

Nintendo really needs a string of runaway hits (New IPs) to get it anywhere CLOSE to the DS's 146 million.

Not even Pokemon can save them.

Also...everybody has smartphones now and can game on them. Back in 2005, phones couldn't do that (aside from Snake and maybe Tetris).

Why should a casual buy a 3DS for games when they have their phone?

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It certainly looks like a botched launch (like the PS3's) to me.

I'm tired of this arguement. The raw materials cost approx. $100. That is not manufacturing, paying wages or going back towards R&D. Yes, the thing has room for a price drop. No, Nintendo is not making $150 on each of them.

I personally wouldn't mind a sofware only nintendo. In fact, as I've said multiple times, i believe that is something we all deserve to see.

flashn00b

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Why should a casual buy a 3DS for games when they have their phone?

bbkkristian

That's a problem the Vita is going to have as well. Its the handheld's biggest enemy.

That's why its aimed at the younger audience, the once without smartphones. (I know count is even dwindling these days :roll: )

Not entirely. There have been mature games announced too. I'd say they're aiming it at everyone, not just the younger audience.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Why should a casual buy a 3DS for games when they have their phone?

Asim90

That's a problem the Vita is going to have as well. Its the handheld's biggest enemy.

That's why its aimed at the younger audience, the once without smartphones. (I know count is even dwindling these days :roll: )

Not entirely. There have been mature games announced too. I'd say they're aiming it at everyone, not just the younger audience.

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

Sony also charged $600 ($1000 if your like me and live in Australia T_T) which created the Wii60 mentality (For 1 Sony console i can but a Wii and 360 and enjoy more games for less) and made some ridicoulus statements that simply annoyed people a lot, who is going to get a 2nd job just because Sony released a new console.

peterw007

Nintendo made the 3DS $250 in a recession even though it only takes $100 to make, gave it a 3 hour battery life, and launched it with no good games.

Even the games coming out look...meh. Nothing that jumps out at me and says "BUY A 3DS NOW."

Nintendo really needs a string of runaway hits (New IPs) to get it anywhere CLOSE to the DS's 146 million.

Not even Pokemon can save them.

Also...everybody has smartphones now and can game on them. Back in 2005, phones couldn't do that (aside from Snake and maybe Tetris).

Why should a casual buy a 3DS for games when they have their phone?

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It certainly looks like a botched launch (like the PS3's) to me.

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

I laughed at the part where they thought Nintendo was doomed.

Bith the Wii and DS were huge successes. The wii won the console wars this gen. The GBA is probably one of the best-selling handhelds ever. Once the 3DS gets pokemon and Mario Kart and the usual stuff I'm positive it will be successful as well.

Nintendo will be fine.

austi722

Wait a minute, what? :?

Nope noy in the least they just made the mistake of realeasing something with no games.

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

Sony also charged $600 ($1000 if your like me and live in Australia T_T) which created the Wii60 mentality (For 1 Sony console i can but a Wii and 360 and enjoy more games for less) and made some ridicoulus statements that simply annoyed people a lot, who is going to get a 2nd job just because Sony released a new console.

peterw007

Nintendo made the 3DS $250 in a recession even though it only takes $100 to make, gave it a 3 hour battery life, and launched it with no good games.

Even the games coming out look...meh. Nothing that jumps out at me and says "BUY A 3DS NOW."

Nintendo really needs a string of runaway hits (New IPs) to get it anywhere CLOSE to the DS's 146 million.

Not even Pokemon can save them.

Also...everybody has smartphones now and can game on them. Back in 2005, phones couldn't do that (aside from Snake and maybe Tetris).

Why should a casual buy a 3DS for games when they have their phone?

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It certainly looks like a botched launch (like the PS3's) to me.

The Battery life is longer than 3 hours. New IP doesn't equal runaway hit, no sane game developer will turn down an established sequel that's certain to sell for a new ip that's not. You would be surprised how powerful Pokemon is as a game, if Starfox can cause a doubling of 3DS sales then imagine what Mario, Pokemon or SSB will do when they are released now imagine what they would do all together during the Holiday season. A casual (Please don't say that again, it sounds like someone with a disease when you say it like that:P) will buy the 3DS because no phone this side of reality will ever have a Nintendo made mario game.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

Sony also charged $600 ($1000 if your like me and live in Australia T_T) which created the Wii60 mentality (For 1 Sony console i can but a Wii and 360 and enjoy more games for less) and made some ridicoulus statements that simply annoyed people a lot, who is going to get a 2nd job just because Sony released a new console.

Nozizaki

Nintendo made the 3DS $250 in a recession even though it only takes $100 to make, gave it a 3 hour battery life, and launched it with no good games.

Even the games coming out look...meh. Nothing that jumps out at me and says "BUY A 3DS NOW."

Nintendo really needs a string of runaway hits (New IPs) to get it anywhere CLOSE to the DS's 146 million.

Not even Pokemon can save them.

Also...everybody has smartphones now and can game on them. Back in 2005, phones couldn't do that (aside from Snake and maybe Tetris).

Why should a casual buy a 3DS for games when they have their phone?

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It certainly looks like a botched launch (like the PS3's) to me.

I'm tired of this arguement. The raw materials cost approx. $100. That is not manufacturing, paying wages or going back towards R&D. Yes, the thing has room for a price drop. No, Nintendo is not making $150 on each of them.

With all of the untold millions Nintendo has made from the Wii and the DS, you think they would be able to sell it at a loss.

A $150 price tag looks MUCH more attractive than a $250 one, even if Nintendo may be losing a couple of dollars per unit.

Nope noy in the least they just made the mistake of realeasing something with no games.

Mercenary848

2 dollar candy will sell more than 5 dollar candy. Do you agree?

Coolyfett

still with your theory that the wii butthurt the ps3 because it was cheaper eh?

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i think if the 5 dollar candy was better tasting and more popular then it will sell more...

what kind of question is this cooleyfett...just come over to the nintendo side already..we need another good system warrior.

Not gonna happen Nintendo have made massive money from the Wii and DS I don't see how all of a sudden that could happen.

[QUOTE="Nozizaki"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Nintendo made the 3DS $250 in a recession even though it only takes $100 to make, gave it a 3 hour battery life, and launched it with no good games.

Even the games coming out look...meh. Nothing that jumps out at me and says "BUY A 3DS NOW."

Nintendo really needs a string of runaway hits (New IPs) to get it anywhere CLOSE to the DS's 146 million.

Not even Pokemon can save them.

Also...everybody has smartphones now and can game on them. Back in 2005, phones couldn't do that (aside from Snake and maybe Tetris).

Why should a casual buy a 3DS for games when they have their phone?

---

It certainly looks like a botched launch (like the PS3's) to me.

peterw007

I'm tired of this arguement. The raw materials cost approx. $100. That is not manufacturing, paying wages or going back towards R&D. Yes, the thing has room for a price drop. No, Nintendo is not making $150 on each of them.

With all of the untold millions Nintendo has made from the Wii and the DS, you think they would be able to sell it at a loss.

A $150 price tag looks MUCH more attractive than a $250 one, even if Nintendo may be losing a couple of dollars per unit.

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]2 dollar candy will sell more than 5 dollar candy. Do you agree?

KBFloYd

still with your theory that the wii butthurt the ps3 because it was cheaper eh?

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i think if the 5 dollar candy was better tasting and more popular then it will sell more...

what kind of question is this cooleyfett...just come over to the nintendo side already..we need another good system warrior.

[QUOTE="Nozizaki"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Nintendo made the 3DS $250 in a recession even though it only takes $100 to make, gave it a 3 hour battery life, and launched it with no good games.

Even the games coming out look...meh. Nothing that jumps out at me and says "BUY A 3DS NOW."

Nintendo really needs a string of runaway hits (New IPs) to get it anywhere CLOSE to the DS's 146 million.

Not even Pokemon can save them.

Also...everybody has smartphones now and can game on them. Back in 2005, phones couldn't do that (aside from Snake and maybe Tetris).

Why should a casual buy a 3DS for games when they have their phone?

---

It certainly looks like a botched launch (like the PS3's) to me.

peterw007

I'm tired of this arguement. The raw materials cost approx. $100. That is not manufacturing, paying wages or going back towards R&D. Yes, the thing has room for a price drop. No, Nintendo is not making $150 on each of them.

With all of the untold millions Nintendo has made from the Wii and the DS, you think they would be able to sell it at a loss.

A $150 price tag looks MUCH more attractive than a $250 one, even if Nintendo may be losing a couple of dollars per unit.

We're in a thread about Nintendo's possibility of dropping out of console developement, and you are proposing they sell a system at a LOSS? Something Nintendo has never, and will never do? Because even if it sells x5 what it has sold now, Nintendo has made less profit? Keep in mind, they don't have a PC or TV department like Microsoft or Sony, so if they lose money, there is no other revenue replacing it.

The Battery life is longer than 3 hours. New IP doesn't equal runaway hit, no sane game developer will turn down an established sequel that's certain to sell for a new ip that's not. You would be surprised how powerful Pokemon is as a game, if Starfox can cause a doubling of 3DS sales then imagine what Mario, Pokemon or SSB will do when they are released now imagine what they would do all together during the Holiday season. A casual (Please don't say that again, it sounds like someone with a disease when you say it like that:P) will buy the 3DS because no phone this side of reality will ever have a Nintendo made mario game.

ugoo18

I'm saying Nintendo needs New IPs that ARE runaway hits.

According to a stress test by Planet3DS.de, the Nintendo 3DS lasts only 2 hours and 7 minutes when EVERYTHING is turned on.

With 3D and battery saver mode? 3 hours and 37 minutes.

Without 3D? 4 hours and 36 minutes.

Here's the link if you're interested:

http://tinyurl.com/3s8o9zv

Did Mario or SSB save the Gamecube?

No. It still has only 20 million sales.

Will Pokemon save the 3DS? No. It might move a couple million units, that's it.

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

Nope noy in the least they just made the mistake of realeasing something with no games.

lordlors

That is nice but the intial launch has been weak, and I have been hyped for the 3ds since it was first rumoured so I am not trying to go into fanboy spin.

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]If the WiiU flop like the 3DS have flop...then maybe Nintendo it will be the next Sega.The 3DS it was a bad move but i think the WiiU it will be a very good console.Coolyfett

Do you really see that happening???

We're in a thread about Nintendo's possibility of dropping out of console developement, and you are proposing they sell a system at a LOSS? Something Nintendo has never, and will never do? Because even if it sells x5 what it has sold now, Nintendo has made less profit? Keep in mind, they don't have a PC or TV department like Microsoft or Sony, so if they lose money, there is no other revenue replacing it.

Nozizaki

Nintendo has had their most profitable gen EVER. They definitely have the money reserves to fund the 3DS at a loss.

Development costs will inevitably drop. When they do, the 3DS will start to make a profit.

The sales will pick up with developer confidence.

Developer confidence will lead to more attraction to the system.

That's the only way I can think of for the Nintendo 3DS to get a jumpstart.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

Nope noy in the least they just made the mistake of realeasing something with no games.

Mercenary848

That is nice but the intial launch has been weak, and I have been hyped for the 3ds since it was first rumoured so I am not trying to go into fanboy spin.

[QUOTE="Nozizaki"]

We're in a thread about Nintendo's possibility of dropping out of console developement, and you are proposing they sell a system at a LOSS? Something Nintendo has never, and will never do? Because even if it sells x5 what it has sold now, Nintendo has made less profit? Keep in mind, they don't have a PC or TV department like Microsoft or Sony, so if they lose money, there is no other revenue replacing it.

peterw007

Nintendo has had their most profitable gen EVER. They definitely have the money reserves to fund the 3DS at a loss.

Development costs will inevitably drop. When they do, the 3DS will start to make a profit.

The sales will pick up with developer confidence.

That's the only way I can think of for the Nintendo 3DS to get a jumpstart (besides successive runaway hits).

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

[QUOTE="lordlors"] and yet it sold more than DS' first months with a N64 port as a launch title (SM64DS).lordlors

That is nice but the intial launch has been weak, and I have been hyped for the 3ds since it was first rumoured so I am not trying to go into fanboy spin.

And the DS launched at only $149.99!

Think of how long it will be to get great 3rd-party games with the 3DS at $249.99?

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

The Battery life is longer than 3 hours. New IP doesn't equal runaway hit, no sane game developer will turn down an established sequel that's certain to sell for a new ip that's not. You would be surprised how powerful Pokemon is as a game, if Starfox can cause a doubling of 3DS sales then imagine what Mario, Pokemon or SSB will do when they are released now imagine what they would do all together during the Holiday season. A casual (Please don't say that again, it sounds like someone with a disease when you say it like that:P) will buy the 3DS because no phone this side of reality will ever have a Nintendo made mario game.

peterw007

I'm saying Nintendo needs New IPs that ARE runaway hits.

According to a stress test by Planet3DS.de, the Nintendo 3DS lasts only 2 hours and 7 minutes when EVERYTHING is turned on.

With 3D and battery saver mode? 3 hours and 37 minutes.

Without 3D? 4 hours and 36 minutes.

Here's the link if you're interested:

http://tinyurl.com/3s8o9zv

Did Mario or SSB save the Gamecube?

No. It still has only 20 million sales.

Will Pokemon save the 3DS? No. It might move a couple million units, that's it.

Did the cube launch at the same time as the PS2, no it didn't and that crippled it right away. By the time the Cube launched it was going up against an established PS2 with an already formidabble library as well as the fact that the PS2 rode in on the PS1's success. That will also cripple the Vita as well, you cannot give your competition up to a year head start and hope to catch up (The PS3 and Wii doing it are the exceptions and not the rule). When has a Nintendo console launched first and lost saleswise to it's competition.

[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

That is nice but the intial launch has been weak, and I have been hyped for the 3ds since it was first rumoured so I am not trying to go into fanboy spin.

peterw007

And the DS launched at only $149.99!

Think of how long it will be to get great games with the 3DS at $249.99?

If Nintendo survived the Gamecube they will be fine with 3DS and Wii U.SaltyMeatballs

Nintendo survived Gamecube because of strong handheld sales. If a circumstance arises where there are sales flops of both 3DS and Wii U, Nintendo will be in serious trouble.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]If Nintendo survived the Gamecube they will be fine with 3DS and Wii U.AvIdGaMeR444

Nintendo survived Gamecube because of strong handheld sales. If a circumstance arises where there are sales flops of both 3DS and Wii U, Nintendo will be in serious trouble.

[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]

[QUOTE="lordlors"] and yet it sold more than DS' first months with a N64 port as a launch title (SM64DS).lordlors

That is nice but the intial launch has been weak, and I have been hyped for the 3ds since it was first rumoured so I am not trying to go into fanboy spin.

I certaintly agree Super Mario, Mario Kart, MGS, and Kid Icarus are right around the corner.