Nintendo is the true golden standard for the Console Gaming Industry give thanks to Iwata

Breath of the Wild is not a cheap game to make by any means. They spent years crafting the patterns of the MC, making the game extremely big, giving a lot to do and fleshing out the world, etc. The game is fully stocked and definitely worth the $60.

The Switch is adequately priced. It was a powerful portable gaming device that released in 2017. It was well worth $300. You can make the claim that it's outdated now and definitely needs a successor. Though it was worth it when it released.

And the way that this board hypes up the Steam Deck, simply because it's portable. Yeah... Imma need y'all to have a seat.

Breath of the Wild is well worth the $60. It's a big expansive game with a fully fleshed out world. Mario is also well worth the $60. So much content that's polished and updated. The graphics and art are great, and the music composition is genius. If you don't feel like the games are worth it, then don't buy them I guess... Though like... Even if they were put on the PC or Xbox or PlayStation, then they won't sell because they'll be the exact same price ($40 - $70 depending on the game), but they'll just get a slight upscale. That won't make much of a difference, so they'll flop...

LuxuryHeart beyond delusional as always. Assuming that BotW was expensive to develop is almost like trolling Nintendo from the inside. They're literally using GC asset quality, and some are foolish enough to think that this is what's expensive to produce😁There isn't a single Nintendo game that was released in the last 10 years, or is coming out, that is expensive to develop. Its all cheap stuff that could be made on computers from 2002. Might be a hard pill to swallow, but when your best games look like late 6th gen titles, we have a problem on our hands.

The cost to develop BotW was likley between 80-90 million. Add marketting on top of this and the 2 million sales to break even makes sense.

Either way, cost to develop doesnt necessarily mean value.

If a dev is gonna waste money on fluff like A list voice actors and graphical fidelity nobody even notices. Don't be surprised when Nintendo first party and MS first party like MineCraft keep outselling anything made by Sony and their misguided priorities.

Nice try🤡Development cost was between $30-40M, which is laughably low for today standards and is ESPECIALLY low for a flagship title. Then another $30M in marketing, and that's your botw.

The reason why we never ever ever ever hear the official spendings from Nintendo is because they're so low that people would ask questions why the hell they're charing $70. Just like the console itself, the profit margins are extreme with Nintendo. Simply put, i consider them as Soft Scammers.

Your assertions don't hold up if you were to actually do the maths. When you consider development time, salaries, and miscellaneous costs.

Seriously Wenzen, this is some very basic arithmetics. You know... maths taught in elementary school.

Salaries in Japan aren't high, so that's your problemo #1. Secondly, its delopment time is the only reason why its even possibly for such an outdated looking and feeling game to get to 40M. Again, i understand you don't want to hear this like you cannot stand me reminding you how far superior Elden Ring is compared to the last two Zeldas, but be an adult for once, and accept facts as they're presented to you.

If Zelda (or any Nintendo game for that matter) was a very expensive title to develop, there is no reason for Nintendo to hide this information because it would only justify its ridiculous $70 price tag. But how could it be expensive when Nintendo titles haven't even discovered motion capture and don't even have voice acting in the massive majority of titles?🥱

So yea, stop clowning yourself, and you will see so much clearer within days.

but Nintendo have the exclusives and would have the high profile games that is shared between the Xbox and the PlayStation. Even though they would probably be in the same boat as the Xbox and the PlayStation but with the exclusives they have now, plus the momentum would kick MS and Sony out of tge console race.

My calculations used japanese numbers. Try harder.

And BotW clowns most games in terms of game mechanics. While Sony wasted millions on getting A-list celebs to voice a bad story in Ragnarök. Nintendo used their money to make a good game that is fun to play.

People arguing over budgets like having a higher budget makes a better game.

If there's anything I learned over the film industry, inflated $200million budgets often result in the shittiest products, like an MCU film or Transformers. They sure look glossy, though.

More constrained budgets allows greater creative discipline. Even Quentin Tarantino says inflated budgets are shit for creative freedom.

Probably why the AAA market is creatively bankrupt, imploding before our very eyes with mass layoffs and going to shit.

AAA is nothing to be proud of. It's just funny how some people here that clutch onto those AAA pearls will change their tune the moment they speak of the film industry, when the discussion of budgets is fundamentally the same in both industries. People are really playing themselves for fools if the AAA market is the epitome of their gaming experiences.

I agree with you.

I just find it funny how Wenzen throws around numbers without even doing the most basic mathematical calculations.

What calculations?🤣You don't have any numbers from Nintendo. They're hiding them like its some Area 51 project. Japanese developers ain't making shit compared to NA, so your devs salaries argument is🤡🤡🤡. And the only thing botw clowns is itself. It just cannot compete with the big boys anymore, which isn't that surprising, you can't be an abitious title on a potato with a screen🤷‍♂️There's a reason why the likes of Elden Ring had a 80%+ retention rate for the dlc on pc, and when botw "dlc" came out, nobody gave a shiet.

But yes, i do agree with you (for once) that Ragnarok story was a waste. But if the VA performances were anything lower than they were, it'd be a complete disaster, but instead it ended up being simply disappointing compared to gow2018. Then again, i am not too sure why you bring the story to this convo when there's literally no story IN ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NINTENDO titles. Nobody at that company can write a story, its like Korean developers.

I know Wenzen especially, his tune will change drastically the moment he starts praising A24 films for having disciplined budgets. It's like he gets it, yet doesn't the moment it's about video games.

Budgets are fundamentally the same across all entertainment and media sectors, but cognitive bias prevents some people from seeing the reality of inflated budgets being the root of creative bankruptcy and risk adversity.

Yup, there is a reason I love Nintendo and AA and indie games. They still make games within reasonable budgets.

Why would I care if Spiderman 2 cost 300 million dollars to make or if God of War Ragnarök cost 200 million, when Kenshi (1 guy), Rimworld (7 guys) or Mount and Blade (a husband and wife) is far, far more fun? The value of a game is derived from the enjoyment I get from it.

On a side note, didn't wenzen used to gloat about the big budgets of these games? Before ultimatley trashing them for being bad (bad story in the case of Ragnarök)?

Ironically enough, the only Sony First Party game he seems to have any consistant praise for is Returnal, which was arguably was one of Sony's lowest budget games this gen, likely only having a budget within 20-30 million dollars range.

Two sheep agreeing with eachother. I mean, how fascinating is that?

Assuming that the developer is good, and knows wtf they're doing, a higher budget allows them to go so far ahead of your standard basement grade video game. Ask Larian, Fromsoft, Rockstar, etc. But these must be all bad cuz your system can't even handle these titles😁

@jaydan: Interactive entertainment is very different to a 1:30-2h film. You can have a quality actor be put in a single room, with an interesting story and events, and it can still be a quality watch. You obviously cannot do anything remotely close in a video game, so that argument is moot.

FromSoft games do not have particularly high budgets. Their worst Souls game was also by far the most expensive one to produce. Almost like all that extra money went into padding out the game. In the worst ways.

With the exception of BG3, Larian is an Indie-AA dev. Their budgets are not too high, where they shine is in talent, at least systems design.

Rockstar havent made a good game since Vice City.

You slander people for playing 2h a week; if only you spent that amount of time talking to a woman that isn't your mother.

Enjoy your AAA games, a sinking ship. You will find yourself lost once more just like your current Playstation existential crisis heading in a very different different from what you want.

This is what you want to believe. Keep living the delusion. Lol

If you really don't think Hollywood has its hands in the pockets of the gaming industry, I don't know what to tell you. It's time to start calling out the industry for hiring Hollywood actors and Hollywood industry talents from meddling in the gaming industry.

Fromsoft titles don't have a massive budget, and that is why they look as outdated as they do. But again, their artists save the same, while there are no nintendo developers that are even at 10% of what Fromsoft achieves artistically, so you end up with nothing but ugly, uninspiring empty games.

No arguments against the obvious truth. Typical jaydan.

Umm... you do realize you just proved the point that excessive budgets are unnecessary, right?

Thanks for refuting your own premise, and Nintendo's art work does great! Hell it is why people arent complaining about Switch Graphics much. Performance on the other hand is where people tend to complain.

Imagine thinking that you can’t make a great game on a small budget. 🤣🤣🤣 🤡

Nintendo fans have no faith in the games they worship.. for the second time in this thread, it's been said that Nintendo games wouldn't sell on PC, PlayStation, or Xbox..

so essentially, the only reason these games sell is because they are only available on Nintendo's gimped hardware so expectations are graded on a curve.. if these games had to compete directly with higher-end games on higher-end hardware, they'd "flop" due to them being overpriced..

thanks for proving my point.. 🤷‍♂️

I could not disagree more. I feel that games like Smash Bros, Mario Maker, Animal Crossing, and Mario Kart would all be massive on PC. I have actually been wishing for Nintendo to go PC forever.

and i agree with you.. Nintendo games would sell like hot cakes on PC.. even overpriced, gamers would eat them up..

yet, unfortunately, multiple Nintendo fans in this thread don't have the same level of faith in their software..

This thread is something else lol

Nintendo has gone up against, and beat MANY of these so called “big budget and high production value” games for Game of the Year. There is no grading curve. That fanboy bs has got to stop. And yes, Nintendo games would sell well on other platforms. Nintendo likes to have full control of their products and services, so having to put games in PSN and Xbox Live with all the riffraff is not something Nintendo desires.

I love seeing Xbox fanboys trying to fix Nintendo. That’s like taking stock market advice from a stray cat 😂🤣

Xbox fannies have really broken you. 🤭

Amusing that gamers on this thread are debating the cost of developing Breath of the Wild, even though Nintendo does not release this type of information to the public. We may never know its actual cost and we can only spectulate.

Are you saying that the cost to develop Breath of the Wild is on the same level as other triple A games?

The most expensive video game of all time:

Genshin Impact

Its development, marketing, maintenance and updates cost an astonishing $700 million... All that for a game that copied Breath of the Wild.

No wonder Nintendo still uses bird chirping noises when two characters are talking to each other, they don't have the budget for quality VA.

For those who don't know basic maths...

2 million unit sales X $60 price = $120 million gross revenue

That was how much BOTW needed to gross in order for Nintendo to make a profit on the game. In other words, it had a high AAA budget, likely in the $80-90M range as you mentioned.

In addition, as I mentioned above, its copycat Genshin Impact had a record-breaking $700M budget! If its copycat cost that much, it's ridiculous to deny the original BOTW had a high AAA budget.

It is ridiculous to think that Breath of the Wild is on the same budget as actual triple A games. If you think Genshin Impact is a BOTW copycat then you really have no idea what you are talking about.

@Pedro: Genshin Impact is a BOTW clone with online multiplayer, waifu characters and gacha microtransactions. Yet it cost an astonishing $700M, far exceeding the budget of every other AAA game in existence.

No need to confirm your ignorance. I already knew the first time.👍🏽

@Pedro: In other words, you have no counter-argument. 👍🏽

the poor lad can't see anything beyond "Xbox bad".. there's literally cows in this thread calling out the fact that Nintendo games are outdated and overpriced but it's all about the "lems"..

dude really needs to take a step back from the keyboard..

There is no need to "counter" argue when your foundation is based on ignorance.🤷🏽‍♂️

He has been broken like many of the Sony fannies that have been banned.😂

Worst game I ever seen. Also it's fans are the worst, they're just anime enjoyers who liked the game because they're pedophiles who liked how the charachters are children, and never have played any other game. Plus they're the most people I've seen who tried to convince the developers to add a homosexual charachter in the game. (Yes. If you don't believe check the developer's account). Plus they try to convince you that they are totally not copying BoTW though it clear to everyone that that is the case, and they try to convince you that thiere game is better than other open world games like Skyrim, The Witcher 3. Worst video game fanbase I ever seen.

@hardwenzen: Bioshock : 25 million dollars budget

Borderlands 2 : 30-35 million dollars budget

No need for high budget to make great games.

Next time you should name a few titles from 1992 since you're at it. No shit the large majority of 7th gen titles were way less expensive to produce, that's why Nintendo titles are cheap to produce, they're still in that 2002-2007 era.

Sheep in here saying Nintendo games costing up to $100 million, man what a funny bunch 🤣

I know, right? Bunch of clowns with their little anecdotes.

Detroit : Become Human 33 Million dollars budget

Hitman 3 22.5 million dollar budget

Outlast 2 7 million CAD budget

What's your point? Detroit is the only out of these three that had an actual story worth talking about, but it was also an interactive movie with barely any gameplay, or mechanics related to gameplay.

I determine a game’s worth to me from a variety of things but how much it cost them to make it isn’t one of them. 😅

The cost to make a game is irrelevant.

30 million dollars on A-List celebrities is 30 million dollars down the drain. Especially if the story is another cliche, unoriginal plot that has already been done 10 times before and 10 times better in other mediums.