Nintendo is the true golden standard for the Console Gaming Industry give thanks to Iwata

The vast majority of Genshin Impact players are Gen Z (aged between 10 and 23). And in Western countries, the vast majority of Genshin players are female (but lean a bit more male in East Asian countries).

In other words, Genshin fans are mostly a bunch of Gen Z teens. Most of the characters are teenagers because most of the players are teenagers themselves. And they're obviously going to be quite immature compared to older fanbases, so there's no point complaining about the fanbase.

But I agree Genshin Impact copied Zelda BOTW. It's so blatantly obvious.

They're only the greediest stagnant video game company in the world so they got that going for'em. lol :P

Super Mario Wonder - game that could run on 2005 hardware, $70 in 2024

Donkey Kong Tropical Returns HD - A Wii game game selling for $60 in 2025

Donkey Kong Country Tropical - Wii U game game selling for $60 in 2024

New Super Marios Bros - a Wii U launch title ( could probably run on the Wii if they lowered the res) selling for $60 in 2024

Your gold standard lady and gentlemen.

@Jag85: How big was Spider-man 2’s budget? It was over 200 million, correct? Did it even made the money back?

They truly are the golden standard. And they treat their employees so well. Truly an amazing historic company that goes it’s on way and don’t copy corporate greed like all the other big studios.

The combined development and marketing budget for Spider-Man 2 was $315 million. It's one of the most expensive games ever made.

It sold 11M units. At $70 each, along with a few $50-60 discounts, we're looking at around $700M total gross. Since it's a first-party game, Sony must've taken at least more than $500M of that. So I'd estimate Sony made around $200M profit on Spider-Man 2. So yeah, it definitely paid off.

They don't copy corporate greed? well, what do you call all their remasters at top dollar prices and 10hr indie games at top dollar then?

@last_lap: A smart decision to help pay their developers how amazing they do. Nintendo gave every single employee a 10% raise. They’re truly for the people. And instead of laying off workers like Freddy arse Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo is hiring more employees.

@mesome713: Their selling lazy arse remasters to the public (that means you) for full price, selling old tech for full price, and what is essentially indie games at full price.

Maybe as a consumer you need to google what encompasses corporate greed, and then get off of your knees for Nintendo as they're as greedy as MS and Sony.

This is what happens when “lazy arse remasters” are better video games than what the competition is putting out. Nintendo customers don’t have to buy these games. They choose too. Just like how Xbox customers choose to NOT buy games… Or consoles…

@ghostofgolden: Don't talk about not buying games to me Golden, you proved in the hermit thread you you like to bark at lems for not buying games (when they have options) and yet don't buy them yourself.

Yes sheep don't have to buy the games, but they liked to be milked by Nintendo because they're stupid.

What a hypocrite you are. Oh by the way I don't think you responded to my post in that thread did you? Or at least I haven't received a notification that you have.

#thoseinglasshousesshouldntthrowstones

If I’m a Sheep, what’s wrong with my Steam purchase total? My spending is in line with a few of the Hermits. I have a large library on the other PC stores as well. I really only used Steam for VR and Steam sales. I buy TONS of games across all platforms. I’m not sure you wanna take this angle lol

@ghostofgolden: You always jump on here talking about how lems don't buy games, well no shit Sherlock. Phil gave them an option in Gamepass to rent games.

You always act "surprised" when a game on Xbox doesn't sell, like its a gotcha moment for you when every man and his dog knows that lems who have access to Gamepass are NOT gonna buy the game.

This may come as a surprise to you but if Nintendo and Sony had the EXACT same option they would also see sales tank.

As for your paltry Steam purchasing history, I don't care how many excuses you want to make about it.

It shows that you shouldn't be casting aspertions about others purchases when yours are just as bad.

Just as bad?! I have a Steam Deck, and 200+ games on Steam. Another 200 between the other PC stores. Then dozens I’ve PURCHASED on Xbox Series, PS5 and many more on Switch. Then I own some of the most obscure retro games. I buy games fella. 😂🤣

@ghostofgolden: If you say so.

But I do know I'm talking to a broken man, broken by 2 of Phil's biggest yes men in Pedro and Antwan, so you never know 🤷‍♂️

I’ll need you to talk to my wife and tell her I don’t buy a lot of games next time lol.

And broken?! Today I have been fully redeemed. The “Game Pass is sustainable for us” crew has fallen. Day 1 games are no longer standard. Prices are going up all over the place. I’m not the one that’s broken 😂

@ghostofgolden: You allowed the 2 aforementioned guys to goad you into losing your account (more than once I hear) so yes you are broken.

As for GP, I hope it falls in a heap and MS cancels it altogether, my only hope is that Xbox as a console is not a casualty of it.

You heard wrong. More of their misinformation tactics. I left System Wars in like 2016 or 2017. Deleted the account. I came back a year later and recreated the GoldenElementXL account. Then in 2020 I made a bet with Antwan and lost the bet at the end of 2022. The bet was that Xbox would drop day 1 games on Game Pass/not put all their first party games on the service day 1. Little did I know they were gonna delay Halo Infinite a year, put the multiple out ftp and not really have any other games to launch. But that’s just 1 lost account. 1 alt account that was OK’d by the mods. Antwan and Pedro just don’t lIke being checked on all their bullshit. Well it’s days like today, the Xbox parity clause being dropped, Devs coming out against Game Pass etc etc etc that make their b.s. worth it. It’s all fun and games anyway

@ghostofgolden: Dude I'm simply not that interested in the deets otherwise I would have asked you a long time ago about it.

I just heard you lost an account bet over GP which is a stupid thing to bet over in my opinion.

But your postings on this account (since I've been back) have been all encompassing of everything MS/Xbox/lems.

Your threads are all about the aforementioned as it has become an obsession with you. Now I know you don't see it, but for onlookers, it's very apparent.

Like you, I'm no fan of GP. However, unlike you, I don't obsess over it.

1 - It’s not an obsession. It’s my angle. My SW purpose. If either of the other two factions had cheerleaders for a subscription service I would go after them too. If either of the other two factions had folks BLINDLY following any and all PR nonsense spewed their way, I would call them out. If either of the other two factions had folks changing the SW rules to meet their ever changing needs, I would call them out.

2 - I’ve been a Game Pass sub since it launched. I’ve had Ultimate since it launched. I’m a member of the Xbox Insider Program. I’m a fan of Game Pass as a service, but not as a strategy to push a 3rd place brand forward. Putting 1st party games on the service day one is both bad for business and the developers. I’ve said this from the beginning. And real world evidence has come to light more and more as of late.

3 - I make plenty of threads. But if it weren’t me that made the “negative” (which aren’t really negative, just sales/market performance, factual and/or published articles from reputable sources) threads, this place would just be a pro Xbox fluff board. I don’t like fluff

@ghostofgolden: See now you're trying to justify your MS/Xbox/lems obsession.

You're in a thread that has sheep (including yourself) defending Nintendo for charging current gen prices for nearly 2 decades old tech and charging full price for remasters and what is essentially indie games. You ain't calling out 💩 you're defending it.

Thirdly you don't call out cows or Hermits either, or if you do it's soft and on very rare occasions.

Lastly to have the mentality to think that if you don't post anti Xbox threads there would be only pro fluff threads for MS shows how far off the mark you really are. System Wars has NEVER been a safe haven for MS/Xbox/lems ever.

I didn’t defend anything. I’m saying the market has spoken. And news flash, people don’t like the same things you do. 🤷🏾‍♂️

In my GoldenelementXL days, I went to war with Cows. What the difference today? There’s no Cows left. And what would I go after Hermits for?

SW is slanted Lem and has been for a few years. I’m not sure how you don’t see that… The most active users are Lems.

The games are fun though, the gameplay is good. Agree donkey Kong country returns should not be $60, but the reason they get away with it is because the games are fun. So people will buy them regardless of not being "high tech"

If Sony and MS can excuse games like God of War or Starfield with thier boring ass gameplay but high production value for $70. I think Nintendo can make the case thier gameplay is worth $70 even though it's less production.

Just depends on what the customer is willing to pay for the content. Some might want a glossy 3rd person realistic looking movie game with a bad drama plot.

Some would rather shoot a gorilla out of a bunch of barrels and have him ride a rhino into crocodiles

Yup, Nintendo won the console wars for now

It's over as of now

@ghostofgolden: Again, you're defending Nintendo. It doesn't matter what you, I, or anyone else likes, the simple fact is that Nintendo is overcharging people for its devices/games. That is clear. You are not calling them out for it. Instead, are trying to justify/defend Nintendo.

You only call MS/Xbox/lems out, you post history proves that.

So in the end I call bs on you calling out anyone and everyone. You have an obsession will everything MS. And the one who posts the most is wenzen and he's a cow. Most other cows are in hiding because Sony has no first party games to release,but they'll be back when Sony starts announcing some next year.

The only one calling out them all out on here is me.

The fact that a number of Cows got banned because they couldn’t keep their toxicity in check certainly didn’t help. Others who felt that they would get banned similarly probably just left or post less frequently. 😅

@last_lap: You saying Nintendo is overcharging people is an opinion. Some value gameplay over cinematics. Some would rather feel like a bad ass by watching cutscenes or doing QTEs instead. 🤷🏾‍♂️

wenzen doesn’t post more than Pedro. It’s not even close lol. And Cows are hiding?! That’s silly. But we do have a handful of Lems here convincing us of the value of Game Pass, spreading Phil’s good word, changing the definition of words like “profitable” and “successful.” Telling us all about the potential of Phil’s strategy. All while having to go on the defensive every time one of the narratives fall. Which group would you think is more fun to engage with. The Lems or the hiding Cows?! lol

Come on now

C'mon now stop defending Nintendo. You claim to call whomever out, but it's a lie because you have the perfect opportunity right now and you're blowing it.

We know that Nintendo is charging top dollar for gens ago tech, you can't deny that, charging full price for Super Mario Wonder, a 2d Mario game that is over in 10hrs, its basically an indie game but because it has Mario in it, full price and suckers like you not only slurp it up you defend it.

But you keep defending Nintendo and proving me right that your full of it when it comes to calling out everyone.

I take full responsibility.😊

@Pedro: They just can’t seem to help themselves. 😅

Wait, I thought I didn’t buy games. Now I “slurp up” full priced Nintendo games? Which is it? lol

A platformer that you actually play for 10-15 hours (before the end game challenges/completionist challenges) vs a movie game you watch for 10-15 hours… I’m a gamer. I don’t know about you…

You wanna label a game “indie” based on budget and duration. Show me a “indie” studio with Mario Wonder polish and execution. Mario Wonder is a damn good game. Not Mario Odyssey/Galaxy/Sunshine good, but it didn’t set out to do that. I’m sure Nintendo appreciates that you hold their “B” tier games at the same regard as their GoTY titles. That speaks to their high quality more than anything.

@ghostofgolden: See you just defend Nintendo, I don't want to hear anything from you again stating that you call out bs no matter who is it, that is clearly a lie proven by your posts in this thread.

SMW is stated as a 10hr game, that's indie length, and it's budget wouldn't be a drop in the bucket compared to AAA devs, so Nintendo shouldn't be charging AAA prices, it's as simple as that.

You talk about polished and the extra challenges etc which is just filler and we both know it. And saying it's a darn good game has no bearing on its status as an indie game.

I didn't say you don't buy games, just that you shouldn't be accusing others for not purchasing games when you yourself proved you aren't the biggest spender on games that you make yourself out to be. Not only that but you yourself said you have GP.

@Pedro I noticed the SW board got a bit more... tame. Now I see why.

What's wrong with a 10 hour game?

If anything, we need more games at that length. So many games are 30+ hours and then 75% of the game is just there to waste your time.

And regarding Mario, the Star World and Ultimate levels tend to be some of the best levels in their respective games.

Where in my comments did I say there was something wrong with a 10hr game?

If you were paying attention, you would know that i'm calling out Nintendo for ripping off its customers for selling an indie length game for AAA prices.

Not only that but selling 360/PS3 tech (Switch) for current gen prices.

If you sheep are happy to be ripped off then so be it, but calling Nintendo the gold standard is bs and i'm here to call that out.

@sargentd: Ehhh fun is subjective. Budgets are not. (And to be clear I think both of those DK games are fantastic, but would have a hard time paying more then $20 for either one)

Nintendo needs some humble pie and it would be great if the Switch 2 flops.

But the games with the shortest runtimes are “AAA” games. It seems like you’re trying REALLY hard to discredit Nintendo.

And value is subjective. Some folks pay $60+ for multiplayer only games. While others want to do mindless chores for 500 hours to justify spending $60. Nintendo fans would rather spend $60 on a Mario Kart 8 port than play whatever you like. And so what? Why are you trying to downplay their experience? They aren’t in here attacking yours

Huh? I need a System Wars lore update.

I'm not here worrying about what user buys what, i'm here calling out Nintendo for selling indie games for AAA prices, same goes for selling 2 gens ago hardware for current gen prices.

If you want to be ripped off by Nintendo then just go stick your head in the sand, because I don't want to hear your bs saying you call out anyone, when you clearly don't when it comes to Nintendo.

Yeah, golden alright...

I guess if you're into that type of thing. lol :P

The easiest way to know that you haven't played Genshin Impact is to claim it is a copy of BOTW.🤭

NGL, I liked you better when you were on GoldenElementXL. On that account, you merely obsessed over and fought Pedro and Antwan. On this account, you're a weird right winger... 😐

@luxuryheart: I have to ask, how did you determine him to be a right winger?

I’d like to know too. Being called a Cow is insulting enough. But a Republican?!?!

You implied that a 10 hour game shouldnt charge AAA prices.

It turns out that the Gen 7 era tech was enough to sell significantly more hardware AND software than their competitors.

People don't care about graphical fidelity. They care about good game experiences. Therea are 20 (likely 21) switch games that have outsold the best selling PS5 game. And we don't even have data on Xbox.

It also turns out that a tightly paced 10 hour game > 40 hour game where most of it is slop, designed to do nothing more than make hte game longer.

His weird rants about the woke and claiming every black person in a game to be DEI...

Uh, that’s not me… I don’t call anything “woke” or talk about DEI…

I’m half black ffs

@luxuryheart: Never heard or seen Golden do that, I think you might be thinking of bassman, I remember him doing that when he found out there was a black playable character in Alan Wake 2.

You seem to be confused, so let me spell it out for you.

I didn't imply that a 10hr game shouldn't charge AAA prices, I straight up said it multiple times. I stand by that statement, if you're going to make indie type games then charge indie prices, not AAA prices, that's ripping customers off.

You implied that I said a 10hr game is bad, when I never said that. That's on you.

Regardless of what people care about, Nintendo is selling 2 gens ago tech for current gen prices, that's ripping people off.

You can try to defend a 10hr game all you want, but the fact remains it's not worth AAA prices when it's not a AAA game.

You sheep are remarkable that you try to defend Nintendo ripping the public off, disgraceful.

The implication is there. It may not be intended but it was implied. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Yeah they value them so much you have to buy them over and over again lol.

Microsoft lets me play the XBLA games I bought in 2006 on my Xbox Series X.

Nintendo says "FVCK YOU your Wii and WiiU games are stuck on dead hardware forever!"

So good to gamers 😂

@locopatho: Yet MS is floundering their console business and Nintendo still remains strong despite the poor business decisions of carrying games over