Nintendo Started Gaming's Destruction: Facts, Evidence, and a History Lesson

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]The name. Activision merging with Blizzard is bad enough. Probably the most depressing thing to happen all gen.Maroxad

Good thing Activision has no control over blizzard or vice versa. If I remember correctly the only thing shared was the shareholders. If Activision did have control, we would already have seen Diablo 4: Modern Demon Invasion by now.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] The name. Activision merging with Blizzard is bad enough. Probably the most depressing thing to happen all gen.DarkLink77

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]The name. Activision merging with Blizzard is bad enough. Probably the most depressing thing to happen all gen.DarkLink77

Good thing Activision has no control over blizzard or vice versa. If I remember correctly the only thing shared was the shareholders. If Activision did have control, we would already have seen Diablo 4: Modern Demon Invasion by now.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] But it happened anyway, and now, Activision's evil shall consume EA too :twisted:

charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] That'd be more of a mutual understanding than anything else. Adding EA's AntiChrist to Activision's Satan, to borrow from Christian mythology.DarkLink77

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I think EA and Activision Blizzard are worth almost as much combined. Does that count? :P

DarkLink77

Hell.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]For me, it was Rare dying. That was depressing to me. DarkLink77

[QUOTE="JuarN18"]Handheld gaming? i kinda agree with you, but console gaming will never die it just can'tWilly105

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Eh, I liked EA this gen. Lots of support for new IPs, quality games made, and they pretty much managed to reverse their evil empire image from last gen effectively.charizard1605

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[QUOTE="Willy105"]For me, it was Rare dying. That was depressing to me. Willy105

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]The name. Activision merging with Blizzard is bad enough. Probably the most depressing thing to happen all gen.DarkLink77

Good thing Activision has no control over blizzard or vice versa. If I remember correctly the only thing shared was the shareholders. If Activision did have control, we would already have seen Diablo 4: Modern Demon Invasion by now.

Like the 25 dollar mounts and redicilously overpriced pets?

Blizzard does that because they can, and get away with it as well. I dont think that was Activision, but blizzard themselves. Take a look at EvE online and its 70 dollar monocles.

Dumbing down and casualization happened before the merger. Not a WoW player anymore and not happy about what Blizzard is doing to Diablo 3. Dont like Activision either, but I will place the blame where its due.

Hell.

el3m2tigre

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Good thing Activision has no control over blizzard or vice versa. If I remember correctly the only thing shared was the shareholders. If Activision did have control, we would already have seen Diablo 4: Modern Demon Invasion by now.

Maroxad

Like the 25 dollar mounts and redicilously overpriced pets?

Blizzard does that because they can, and get away with it as well. I dont think that was Activision, but blizzard themselves. Take a look at EvE online and its 70 dollar monocles.

Dumbing down and casualization happened before the merger.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Pfft. Soccer games. :Pcharizard1605

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Yeah, but some of the stuff they've been pulling with WoW reeks of Activision to me.DarkLink77

Like the 25 dollar mounts and redicilously overpriced pets?

Blizzard does that because they can, and get away with it as well. I dont think that was Activision, but blizzard themselves. Take a look at EvE online and its 70 dollar monocles.

Dumbing down and casualization happened before the merger.

WoW is dead in my eyes. Starcraft is still good however so that we agree on :)

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Like the 25 dollar mounts and redicilously overpriced pets?

Blizzard does that because they can, and get away with it as well. I dont think that was Activision, but blizzard themselves. Take a look at EvE online and its 70 dollar monocles.

Dumbing down and casualization happened before the merger.

Maroxad

WoW is dead in my eyes. Starcraft is still good however so that we agree on :)

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] [QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Pfft. Soccer games. :PDarkLink77

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Fortunately, StarCraft has been left largely intact. WoW is dying, though.DarkLink77

WoW is dead in my eyes. Starcraft is still good however so that we agree on :)

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Oh dear...charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Yeah, you heard me. :P

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Just... get FIFA 10 and play it, okay? It's an excellent game. Ah, who am I kidding, you won't get it :Pcharizard1605

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I'd get Black first. :oDarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] The Criterion shooter?

charizard1605

I come back from work, and I see a thread heralding the end of gaming. Brought about by Nintendo, no less. Hooray for SW. My shock and horror when the TC is DarkLink77 :o

Scariest part? The entire OP is logically sound and devoid of any silly smileys.

*Hugs SNES closely*

It's okay, he's just spouting nonsense :? Like those homeless people on the street corner. Everything will be alright. Everything will be...

Well that's a pessimistic way to think of the future. It does kind of line up, and I can definitely see how it would happen. I mean look at COD, there's so many people who play just it. If they lose interest, there goes a huge chunk of the video games population.

Scariest part? The entire OP is logically sound and devoid of any silly smileys.

mmmwksil

I expect nothing less from the man.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

Scariest part? The entire OP is logically sound and devoid of any silly smileys.

psn8214

I expect nothing less from the man.

B-But...! The smileys :o They soften any and all blows! Such a declaration could only bring about chaos from the masses. CHAOS, I tell you!

Uh, so basically you are saying eventually the casuals will leave? Okay, well what about core gamers, are they going to leave just because casuals did? The industry was fine before there were tons of casuals.

Well I see your point but I don't feel like the market in its current form is what Nintendo actually wanted to happen however.

Uh, so basically you are saying eventually the casuals will leave? Okay, well what about core gamers, are they going to leave just because casuals did? The industry was fine before there were tons of casuals.

Jelley0

The causals have been hear forever. They never left.

Well I see your point but I don't feel like the market in its current form is what Nintendo actually wanted to happen however.

ActicEdge

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Well I see your point but I don't feel like the market in its current form is what Nintendo actually wanted to happen however.

DarkLink77

Its true. I feel like while Nintendo certainly screwed a lot of things up in multiple areas, people are still undermining that the produced lots of great games for their fans as well. They've said they want to maintain a value in games as well which I think is important. I really hope apple doesn't ever get significant footing in gaming, it won't be positive for anyone.

The industry is way too diversifed now to where Nintendo could single-handedly destroy gaming.

The industry is way too diversifed now to where Nintendo could single-handedly destroy gaming.

Demonjoe93

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Well I see your point but I don't feel like the market in its current form is what Nintendo actually wanted to happen however.

ActicEdge

Its true. I feel like while Nintendo certainly screwed a lot of things up in multiple areas, people are still undermining that the produced lots of great games for their fans as well. They've said they want to maintain a value in games as well which I think is important. I really hope apple doesn't ever get significant footing in gaming, it won't be positive for anyone.

You put up a very compelling argument and I can even agree with it. Everyone is to blame, but Nintendo started the fad so yeah.

Neon's gonna have to side with you on this one comrade.

You put up a very compelling argument and I can even agree with it. Everyone is to blame, but Nintendo started the fad so yeah.

Neon's gonna have to side with you on this one comrade.

NeonNinja

The 3DS is the first part of Nintendo's descent. Nintendo going to crash and burn hard IMO, and Sony will go back to its rightful place in first with Microsoft in second. Nintendo just doesn't care about good games and making good systems anymore IMO, and it'll come back to them. I agree with you.StealthMonkey4

I got to agree with both of you & the OP about this. Nintendo have gotten too cocky off of the huge DS & Wii's sales & seems to think that people would just eat up every single gimmick of theirs from now on, without any compelling software, just like they thought that everyone would eat up the "Glassless 3D" feature of the 3DS like they did with the motion control gimmick with the Wii. Guess what? It didn't work this time. They seriously forgot that it's software that moves systems, & I'm not talking about ports, remakes, or rehashes like they got on the 3DS so far. Brand name can only take you so far, & gimmicks doesn't last forever.

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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]*Looks at the topic title and TC*Also your spacebar seems to be broken.

ChubbyGuy40

Because I've had that gif saved for awhile and needed to use it.

-Microsoft is ditching their core audience and making Kinect titles, while Nintendo is pushing towards the core users more than ever with massive third party support. Nintendo has listened to their fans and created a great new control scheme to make up for the waggle-mote. Microsoft is ignoring users and pushing Kinect and casual software even harder.

Sony seems to be stuck trying to figure out what to do.ChubbyGuy40

Actually, they're supporting both core & casuals. Plus I don't know about you, but while both Kinect & Move are popular right now, they won't even be relevant in like, say, 2013 or 2014. People will get tired of those just like they got tired of the Wii-mote now.

The only thing that might kill the game industry is the terrible global economy. Game companies can no longer expect to make tons of cash from huge hyped games that cost a fortune to make. They can also not expect to make a fortune by designing beast machines that try (and fail) to compete with high end gaming PCs.

I see a lot of fanboys who live in some self-serving fantasy world when they think everybody is going to buy their favorite system's expensive games and products just because they think they're "valuable" or "worth the price", but most people in the real world don't see things that way. They will think about how they can save money and that is more important than spending too much money on luxury items.

I see higher priced games and equipment flopping hard over the next few years at least. Any company that understands this and provides gaming products at a cheaper, more affordable price to the massesis gonna win big.

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You put up a very compelling argument and I can even agree with it. Everyone is to blame, but Nintendo started the fad so yeah.

Neon's gonna have to side with you on this one comrade.

DarkLink77

There is strong logic at work here.

It's a respectable POV and argument.

I can stand behind it because I can see it happening.

I don't know how far away we are from this "crash" and I know Nintendo are trying to avert that "crash", albeit not too well, but now it rides on how much more of this crap MS and Sony are willing to dive headfirst into along with Apple.

I can see where you where coming from, Duke Nukem guy.

I agree that at some point the casuals will move on to something else, ofc resulting in decreasing sales and sure some of the studios will crack under pressure, (namely the ones who are growing fatter than a birthmark on Rosie O'Donnells lower thigh and who will be unable to sustain their ginormous selves with no more "cake" left on the table.)

HOWEVER since the meltdown of the gaming industry, videogameshave evolved from merelydelivering toys to kids (PAC-MAN, Mario etc.), to merelydelivering toys for children posing as adults (GTA, Halo etc.) and further into something which is more and moreresembling a (at least semi-legit) platform to convey something even the high brows would simply describe as art. The fact that even the US government (by extension including the vidya industri's biggest fangirl; Hilary Clinton) has recognized games as art should speak volumes of how far gaming has come these last few decades.

I personally do not think that anything (short of the emergence of Cthulhu) could break the vidya industriat this point, mainly because of the huge amout of extremely talented developers dedicated to bring us (i.e. the fanbase) new ways to experience and play videogames (but aslo because people in general are nostalgia fiends and will pay unreasonable amounts of money for anything which vaguely smells like their childhood).

TL:DR?

Have a little faith, you ingrates. :P

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

You put up a very compelling argument and I can even agree with it. Everyone is to blame, but Nintendo started the fad so yeah.

Neon's gonna have to side with you on this one comrade.

NeonNinja

There is strong logic at work here.

It's a respectable POV and argument.

I can stand behind it because I can see it happening.

I don't know how far away we are from this "crash" and I know Nintendo are trying to avert that "crash", albeit not too well, but now it rides on how much more of this crap MS and Sony are willing to dive headfirst into along with Apple.

Microsoft isn't really either, however the 360 has much better games than the Wii does.

I'm not sure what you mean by the last part, Sony is still pumping out new games and has the Move controller but isn't pushing it like Nintendo and MS.

StealthMonkey4

I have 30+ games for the Wii. Half of which are excellent games.

All that the 360 has is Gears 2, Banjo-Kazooie: N&B, and soon Gears 3. Besides those, the rest of them are mediocre/bad and very forgettable.

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Microsoft isn't really either, however the 360 has much better games than the Wii does.

I'm not sure what you mean by the last part, Sony is still pumping out new games and has the Move controller but isn't pushing it like Nintendo and MS.

ChubbyGuy40

I have 30+ games for the Wii. Half of which are excellent games.

All that the 360 has is Gears 2, Banjo-Kazooie: N&B, and soon Gears 3. Besides those, the rest of them are mediocre/bad and very forgettable.

You Halo hatred is in fine form today, I see.DarkLink77

Only hatin' on the bad games/devs today. :D

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] You Halo hatred is in fine form today, I see.ChubbyGuy40

Only hatin' on the bad games/devs today. :D

One day you'll learn.