Nintnedo: Without them games would stay the same?

What has Nintendo Invented?

Dpad: On every controller that matters

Precise Analog Stick: Atari made the first analog sticks. Nintendo built the first precision ones for 3D games

3D gaming: Mario 64 layed the bar out for every 3D game after it

Modern Platformer: Every 2D platformer ows their roots to Super Mario Bros

Rumble Pak: yep, Nintendo had rumble packs first.

Camera Stick: Again Another Nintendo invention. Now every controller has 2 analogs

Motion Controls: Sony again shamelessly copied the idea. Microsoft is copying it and the eye toy

HandHelds: before Gameboy the best you could hope for was a tiger electronic game. Awful

3D gaming wtih no Glasses: I see Sony copying this on their psp2

I could name many more but the point has been shown. Would the industry get stale without nintendo?

I think those developments would eventually come along such as the handhelds, there were failed attempts before but I'm sure some other company could figure it out eventually.

I can imagine gaming without Nintendo because I grew up with SEGA :D But I can't deny the huge contribution they gave to the games industry in order to shape it the way it is today.

What? I dont even...what?

thats like saying if the US had never invented the nuclear bomb... no nuclear bombs would have ever been invented. Your logic is just plain wrong... everything would have been the same without nintendo.

but lets not forgot how much motion controls ruined gaming... nintendo needs a big pat on the back for that.

and nintendo did not invent 3d gaming... i like that if someone copies something nitendo did and does it better they are "ripping off nintendo" but if nintendo copies someone else they are "setting the bar"

Not discrediting Nintendo for their enourmous contributions to the industry, but these things would have come along without them I'm sure.

If they never joined the game industry, it would all be arcades and PC games, because there would be no home consoles or handhelds (they would have stayed dead after the crash).

thats like saying if the US had never invented the nuclear bomb... no nuclear bombs would have ever been invented. Your logic is just plain wrong... everything would have been the same without nintendo.

but lets not forgot how much motion controls ruined gaming... nintendo needs a big pat on the back for that.

and nintendo did not invent 3d gaming... i like that if someone copies something nitendo did and does it better they are "ripping off nintendo" but if nintendo copies someone else they are "setting the bar"

markinthedark

camera stick? Nintendo made the Camera Stick? What's a Camera Stick?

we cant just assume those things would have been made if they didnt do it, thats a hypothetical question maybe it would be an invention similar to what nintendo has done but whose to say it would be the exact same thing.

Not discrediting Nintendo for their enourmous contributions to the industry, but these things would have come along without them I'm sure.

Ragnarok1051

how can you be so sure. if motion wasnt such a successfull on the wii do you think sony would make the move?

that's an ironic title tc, considering the fact that nintendo's ("core") games have stayed the same for decades.

that's an ironic title tc, considering the fact that nintendo's ("core") games have stayed the same for decades.

cowgriller

camera stick? Nintendo made the Camera Stick? What's a Camera Stick?

LegatoSkyheart

that's what protologists use for colonoscopies. :P

camera stick? Nintendo made the Camera Stick? What's a Camera Stick?

LegatoSkyheart

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

that's an ironic title tc, considering the fact that nintendo's ("core") games have stayed the same for decades.

SaltyMeatballs

let's see....all mario has done for the past 30 years is rescue the princess from bowser. sure they may have changed the locations once in a while, but the game relatively stayed the same. same goes for link in the zelda franchise. nintendo isn't as revolutionary as people like to think. they pretty much create gimmicks and hope to bank on them. that has back fired a few times (powerglove, virtual boy and gameboy advance micro come to mind). but in terms of their games, yeah, they're pretty much rehashes. then again, the same could be said for most sequels.

I think those developments would eventually come along such as the handhelds, there were failed attempts before but I'm sure some other company could figure it out eventually.

bobcheeseball

personally speaking. people say nintendo games are kiddy and what not, but looking at what developers are offering for kids this gen is just sad. its a good thing i grew up on the nes, snes, n64 and what not, because i got to experience a lot of fun original games before the mature crowd slowly ruin the slight innocence of gaming. Rahnyc4

wtf?? games have been violent since inception. btw, since the beginning of gaming in the 70's, games were marketed to adults because they work and earn money. children don't have money and have to beg their parents for it. it was nintendo in ht elate 80's that was the first to cater to "the family" (which is how they ended up being called kidtendo). so you actually have things in reverse. though nintendo did revive gaming after the crash of '84, they dumbed down all games and made them kid friendly. they also advertised to children. since kids can't afford the games themselves, they tend to ----- and whine until they get their way (with lenient parents. my parents told me to shut the hell up when i was a kid).

Gaming on other consoles already stays the same. Third parties are just recyclling the same games over and over on the PS3 and 360. It's games on nintendo consoles, or indy stuff on any console that is actually orginal.

Not discrediting Nintendo for their enourmous contributions to the industry, but these things would have come along without them I'm sure.

Ragnarok1051

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I think those developments would eventually come along such as the handhelds, there were failed attempts before but I'm sure some other company could figure it out eventually.

Rikusaki

not necessarily. this gen, nintendo didn't move forward. in terms of hardware, they remained in the last generation but because of the wiimote and causal appeal, they bank on a gimmick that pushed Sony and MS follow suit or risk losing millions of dollars of casual crap to nintendo. nintendo hasn't innovated since the gameboy (imho).

Gaming on other consoles already stays the same. Third parties are just recyclling the same games over and over on the PS3 and 360. It's games on nintendo consoles, or indy stuff on any console that is actually orginal.

goblaa

really??mario games are original?? nintendo has only been making mario games since the 1980's but somehow it's original?? really?? the same goes for zelda and metroid.

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Not discrediting Nintendo for their enourmous contributions to the industry, but these things would have come along without them I'm sure.

Fightingfan

you probably weren't trying but, you do realise you proved his point right?

Camera Stick: Again Another Nintendo invention. Now every controller has 2 analogs

OwnallConsoles

Camera stick? :? I guess you mean dual analog, which your wrong. That goes to Sony. The Dualshock was the first console controller to have dual analog.

Half of the other things the OP listed weren't even invented by Nintendo. They either previously existed in gaming and weren't mainstream or weren't applied to gaming yet. You could say Nintendo innovated by applying this tech to gaming but don't say Nintendo invented it.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

Not discrediting Nintendo for their enourmous contributions to the industry, but these things would have come along without them I'm sure.

cowgriller

you probably weren't trying but, you do realise you proved his point right?

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

that's an ironic title tc, considering the fact that nintendo's ("core") games have stayed the same for decades.

cowgriller

let's see....all mario has done for the past 30 years is rescue the princess from bowser. sure they may have changed the locations once in a while, but the game relatively stayed the same. same goes for link in the zelda franchise. nintendo isn't as revolutionary as people like to think. they pretty much create gimmicks and hope to bank on them. that has back fired a few times (powerglove, virtual boy and gameboy advance micro come to mind). but in terms of their games, yeah, they're pretty much rehashes. then again, the same could be said for most sequels.

it likes every game now has to have a story for people on this forum to be happy.

micro was not a flop it actually sold all its units it was a collectible item not a hot sku like the ds is.

nintendo is revolutionary they focus on gameplay which is why many devs cant top them in that department, they showed many times you dont need a story for a game to be fun SMG2 is a prime example of that.

Nintendo constantly changes their franchises just look at kirby epic yawn no kirby game has been like that before.

Nintendo Without them games would stay the same

hmm

because Nintendos made so many ips the gen

yes of course

The majority of your list consists of controller modifications; while those are great, they do not alone save games from becoming 'stale'. That seems indicative of a very console-centric viewpoint, honestly, because PC games have continued to progress, improve and innovate with the same keyboard and mouse setup it has had since the 1980s.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

I think those developments would eventually come along such as the handhelds, there were failed attempts before but I'm sure some other company could figure it out eventually.

cowgriller

not necessarily. this gen, nintendo didn't move forward. in terms of hardware, they remained in the last generation but because of the wiimote and causal appeal, they bank on a gimmick that pushed Sony and MS follow suit or risk losing millions of dollars of casual crap to nintendo. nintendo hasn't innovated since the gameboy (imho).

...How are motion controls not innovative? How are they not moving us forward? In case you haven't noticed Sonyand Microsoft are joining the motion control bandwagon and it's without a doubt changing gaming.

And did you see the new 3DS? 3D without glasses is definately another breakthrough that will most likely push the gaming industry to make it a standard feature.

If that's not innovation IDK what is.

Precise Analog Stick: Atari made the first analog sticks. Nintendo built the first precision ones for 3D games

OwnallConsoles

The problem with the Atari stick wasn't precision, but rather the fact that it didn't automatically center when you released it. The analog on the Vectrex could however. Now I believe Nintendo was the first to have a proper "thumb" stick (eg. previous ones were designed to be manipulated with several fingers).

HandHelds: before Gameboy the best you could hope for was a tiger electronic game. Awful

OwnallConsoles

Not quite. The Microvision was interchangeable handheld gaming device available ten years prior to the Game Boy. The Epoch Game Pocket Computer was released [only in Japan] five years before the Game Boy. And the Atari Lynx came out the same year as the Game Boy (and had been in development for several years).

What has Nintendo Invented?

Dpad: On every controller that matters

Precise Analog Stick: Atari made the first analog sticks. Nintendo built the first precision ones for 3D games

3D gaming: Mario 64 layed the bar out for every 3D game after it

Modern Platformer: Every 2D platformer ows their roots to Super Mario Bros

Rumble Pak: yep, Nintendo had rumble packs first.

Camera Stick: Again Another Nintendo invention. Now every controller has 2 analogs

Motion Controls: Sony again shamelessly copied the idea. Microsoft is copying it and the eye toy

HandHelds: before Gameboy the best you could hope for was a tiger electronic game. Awful

3D gaming wtih no Glasses: I see Sony copying this on their psp2

I could name many more but the point has been shown. Would the industry get stale without nintendo?

OwnallConsoles

pretty much. except the Wii got inspiration from the Dreamcast motion control ability

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] We wouldn't be where we are without Nintendo. Nintendo is pushing us forward.Ramen1020

not necessarily. this gen, nintendo didn't move forward. in terms of hardware, they remained in the last generation but because of the wiimote and causal appeal, they bank on a gimmick that pushed Sony and MS follow suit or risk losing millions of dollars of casual crap to nintendo. nintendo hasn't innovated since the gameboy (imho).

...How are motion controls not innovative? How are they not moving us forward? In case you haven't noticed Sonyand Microsoft are joining the motion control bandwagon and it's without a doubt changing gaming.

And did you see the new 3DS? 3D without glasses is definately another breakthrough that will most likely push the gaming industry to make it a standard feature.

If that's not innovation IDK what is.

I like how every single nintendo fanboy conveniently forgets that Sony's DS3 controller also has motion sensors built into it. And let us not forget that the Move has been on the drawing board since 2005, a year before the Wii was even released.

I hope that Sony picks up on the "no-glasses 3D" and runs with it, because this 3D movement is going to die fast if they don't. But I would hardly call the tech "innovative".

I like how every single nintendo fanboy conveniently forgets that Sony's DS3 controller also has motion sensors built into it. And let us not forget that the Move has been on the drawing board since 2005, a year before the Wii was even released.

Greyfeld

Oh come on, to suggest that the Move wasn't influenced in any way by the Wii is ludicrous. The only thing that we definitively know Sony had that far back was the object tracking technology, and that alone does not a Move controller make.

[QUOTE="Ramen1020"]

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

not necessarily. this gen, nintendo didn't move forward. in terms of hardware, they remained in the last generation but because of the wiimote and causal appeal, they bank on a gimmick that pushed Sony and MS follow suit or risk losing millions of dollars of casual crap to nintendo. nintendo hasn't innovated since the gameboy (imho).

Greyfeld

...How are motion controls not innovative? How are they not moving us forward? In case you haven't noticed Sonyand Microsoft are joining the motion control bandwagon and it's without a doubt changing gaming.

And did you see the new 3DS? 3D without glasses is definately another breakthrough that will most likely push the gaming industry to make it a standard feature.

If that's not innovation IDK what is.

I like how every single nintendo fanboy conveniently forgets that Sony's DS3 controller also has motion sensors built into it. And let us not forget that the Move has been on the drawing board since 2005, a year before the Wii was even released.

I hope that Sony picks up on the "no-glasses 3D" and runs with it, because this 3D movement is going to die fast if they don't. But I would hardly call the tech "innovative".

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

Gaming on other consoles already stays the same. Third parties are just recyclling the same games over and over on the PS3 and 360. It's games on nintendo consoles, or indy stuff on any console that is actually orginal.

cowgriller

really??mario games are original?? nintendo has only been making mario games since the 1980's but somehow it's original?? really?? the same goes for zelda and metroid.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

that's an ironic title tc, considering the fact that nintendo's ("core") games have stayed the same for decades.

cowgriller

let's see....all mario has done for the past 30 years is rescue the princess from bowser. sure they may have changed the locations once in a while, but the game relatively stayed the same. same goes for link in the zelda franchise. nintendo isn't as revolutionary as people like to think. they pretty much create gimmicks and hope to bank on them. that has back fired a few times (powerglove, virtual boy and gameboy advance micro come to mind). but in terms of their games, yeah, they're pretty much rehashes. then again, the same could be said for most sequels.

[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]

I like how every single nintendo fanboy conveniently forgets that Sony's DS3 controller also has motion sensors built into it. And let us not forget that the Move has been on the drawing board since 2005, a year before the Wii was even released.

ThePlothole

Oh come on, to suggest that the Move wasn't influenced in any way by the Wii is ludicrous. The only thing that we definitively know Sony had that far back was the object tracking technology, and that alone does not a Move controller make.

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Where do you guys get this idea? Maybe same franchises, but they have evolved, and I am sick of this argument now. People were calling Kid ICarus 3DS a rehash when there hasn't been a Kid Icarus game in 20 years, and it was nothing like the 3DS one.Willy105

let's see....all mario has done for the past 30 years is rescue the princess from bowser. sure they may have changed the locations once in a while, but the game relatively stayed the same. same goes for link in the zelda franchise. nintendo isn't as revolutionary as people like to think. they pretty much create gimmicks and hope to bank on them. that has back fired a few times (powerglove, virtual boy and gameboy advance micro come to mind). but in terms of their games, yeah, they're pretty much rehashes. then again, the same could be said for most sequels.

Nintendo also had the advantage of being apart of the gaming industry when it was very early. There was tons of room for innovation. No discredit to them in any way however, they did pave the way for many of the core games that we enjoy today, just as they are paving the way with motion controls and attracting a more casual audience this gen

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Where do you guys get this idea? Maybe same franchises, but they have evolved, and I am sick of this argument now. People were calling Kid ICarus 3DS a rehash when there hasn't been a Kid Icarus game in 20 years, and it was nothing like the 3DS one.Mario1331

let's see....all mario has done for the past 30 years is rescue the princess from bowser. sure they may have changed the locations once in a while, but the game relatively stayed the same. same goes for link in the zelda franchise. nintendo isn't as revolutionary as people like to think. they pretty much create gimmicks and hope to bank on them. that has back fired a few times (powerglove, virtual boy and gameboy advance micro come to mind). but in terms of their games, yeah, they're pretty much rehashes. then again, the same could be said for most sequels.

it likes every game now has to have a story for people on this forum to be happy.

micro was not a flop it actually sold all its units it was a collectible item not a hot sku like the ds is.

nintendo is revolutionary they focus on gameplay which is why many devs cant top them in that department, they showed many times you dont need a story for a game to be fun SMG2 is a prime example of that.

Nintendo constantly changes their franchises just look at kirby epic yawn no kirby game has been like that before.

yes, most if not all games need to have stories for the single player campaign. mp campaign doesn't need one, just a good online component.

micro was a flop. it was shown off at e3, went on sale and few bought it so nintendo killed it off. few bought it because it came out during the launch of the ds.

many devs do focus on gameplay, but they tend to design games based on strategy and storytelling, unlike nintendo which gameplay is based on childish fun and kindergarten humor.

so no kirby game had kirby sucking and blowing his enemies to death? all they changed was the graphics, not the gameplay and according to you sheep, gameplay > graphics, so....irony.

I didn't say that it wasn't influenced by the Wii. I said that they aren't "joining the bandwagon," as evidence by the fact that they've been toying around with motion control and motion sensing for years already. Their design and direction may have been influenced by Wii motion control, but the point is that motion control itself was not innovated by Nintendo this generation.

Greyfeld

But would Sony have even bothered to release a Motion controller like Move, let alone put this level of support behind it, if not for the Wii? That is the question.

I suppose in truth it doesn't matter so much who is the real innovator. Often an idea will come along initially and not gain very much traction, only for someone else to come along later and market it much more successfully. The Atari 2600 was not the first home console to use proper cartridges, but I doubt most people have ever even heard of the "Fairchild Channel F".

[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] We wouldn't be where we are without Nintendo. Nintendo is pushing us forward.Ramen1020

not necessarily. this gen, nintendo didn't move forward. in terms of hardware, they remained in the last generation but because of the wiimote and causal appeal, they bank on a gimmick that pushed Sony and MS follow suit or risk losing millions of dollars of casual crap to nintendo. nintendo hasn't innovated since the gameboy (imho).

...How are motion controls not innovative? How are they not moving us forward? In case you haven't noticed Sonyand Microsoft are joining the motion control bandwagon and it's without a doubt changing gaming.

And did you see the new 3DS? 3D without glasses is definately another breakthrough that will most likely push the gaming industry to make it a standard feature.

If that's not innovation IDK what is.

nintendo wasn't the first company to invent motion controllers. MS made one for the pc in the early '90's and sony made one in '94 for the ps. nintendo just marketed theirs better (and required ALL games to use it.)

ummm....glasses-less 3D is nothing new. not even for gaming. Sharp made a laptop in 2005, the Actius RD3D, that uses the same exact parallax screen but at a larger size. users where able to turn the 3D on and off with the push of a button and they could play ALL pc games in 3D due to Nvidia's stereoscopic drivers.

it's not innovative to take someone elses products and use it yourself with better marketing.