Now, THIS, my fellow console fanboys is playing an FPS with mouse and keyboard

[QUOTE="lazerluke"]

Lol. This thread is so funny.

In general:

Gamepad best for driving, sports and platformers.

KB M best for shooters, strategy. MMO's.

For those of you are deluded into thinking the gamepad is best for shooting answer the following:

How many pro CS/Quake gamers use a gamepad?

Can you imagine a pro team like Four Kings turning up to the next tourney with gamepads! ROFL

muscrat_01

The KB & Mouse are nothing but utter CRap! for playing FPS games.

The Wii controller is far more superior.

This is complete rubbish in an otherwise decent response. KB/M has many uses in games and different types of games. It was designed for PC games which includes FPS, and it completely succeeds in many genre of games.

Keep this rather childish respose out, and maybe people will take your seriously.

AgentVX

The KB & Mouse are nothing but utter CRap! for playing FPS games.

The Wii controller is far more superior.

XenoNinja

It's good as it can get for consoles (unless you count the compatible KB/M's) but KB/M still wipes the floor with it in FPS.

[QUOTE="ginazswordsman"][QUOTE="Stabby2486"]

10: Still works for the genres it does best.Stabby2486

That looks like a point to me.

A meaningles one and one that was already made. A new point or a better point would be nice.

It's true, why shouldn't I bring it up?

[QUOTE="muscrat_01"]
1. Umm no on a KB you could mouse wheel to adjust the pace your moving at - ala Splinter Cell, or you could alternativley use the shift key switch to a walking pace. And since when did real soldiers fire while running, let alone jogging. Go play Armed Assault or Operation Flashpoint.

2. In Halo you tap the trigger you throw a grenade. In a PC FPS game you grenade further by the amount of time you have held it..... How is that less realistic? Wouldent throwing a real grenade, let alone a Wii movement be the only realistic choice...?

3. So pulling a triger on a Pad is more real than pushing a button? Technicaly yes? Does it mean its better? no.
If its so realstic then why arent there any realistic shooters on console, and why dont the realistic PC shooters incorperate gamapads into their controls?... but its a trigger. Does that make light gun games the most realistic FPS shooter experience concived by man?

4. If PC FPS controls could be so easily mapped by a controller, then why have those KB/M console attachments, not emulated KB/M properly? No, console movement is mapped much better on PC - we have pads you know :roll:
Holding W and D makes you move in a right diagonal direction like pushing a thumstick North East. Your given 8 directions of movement on a KB, and 8 on a pad... No difference...... How is either more realistic?

5. The erganomic keyboards are more rounded keyboards. No one has the same type of hands, and has different levls of comfort - so there is a keyboard to suit peoples needs. Not everyone likes Dual Shock controllers, or the 360 one ect. - Everyone has their own personal preferance. Go Figure.
And KB/B is just as healthy as a gamepad - you can get cramps on both, and muscle aches. Go Figure.

6. Yes but apparantly there are FF mice out there... So you cant argue that. Also considering the PC has some of the most immerisve games in existance, I dont see rumble making them morse.

7. Yes Racing is okay on KB - but the pad is dtefitnaly superior. Same for Action Adventure games ala PoP. MMOS and WRPGS KB/M mouse easily trashes Gamepad. Same with FPS.......

8. PCs had controller support since the bloody beginning. Its always there, and its always been 'mandtory'.
I can use my 360 pad with almostany game.

9. No PC FPS gamers are extremely skilled - morso than their console counterparts because the games are more demmanding on a skill level - ala Quake, UT and Cs - and the game + controller dosent hinder their abilities.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lh0mrCN2tW0A shot like this would be next to impossible on a console game.
There is also the element of console FPS having aim assist, and other 'helpful' elements - hitboxes ect.
No pro gamers use only M/KB - why dont PC pro gamers use pads? Hmmmm?

10. If the KB/M wasent designed for gaming its would have been abandonded for pads over a decade ago.
Its still the primary controller for PC gaming - and console gamers want its support. What does this mean?
Its still one of the best gaming controllers. Its not perfect - but neither is a pad, or wiimote.

ginazswordsman

1. Wheel mouse does not replace analog movement. Do you even know what analog is?
2. Who said anything about Halo? I hate the way Halo handles grenades. But holding down the key to throw it farther? How could any sane person argue that that is better?
3. YES, pulling a trigger is more realistic because guns have triggers. Yes using a Gun controller is more realistic because it's more like a gun. Are you on drugs or something because you are not helping yourself here.
4. And controller are still healthier so again you fail to make a valid point.
5. So what? Do you have a FF mouse? No? Exactly.
6. Your worthless opinions and no facts.
7. Your worthless opinion and no facts, again.
   
8. Are you drunk or something? It's never been mandatory. In fact is still isn't really manditory. Nobody says a developer has to follow the Games for Windows brand and have controller support.
9. Profressional gamers also game on pads. If the K+M was so god damn great, how come arcade machines don't have them? You need a reality check.
10. Again, you need a reality check. The K+M was not designed for gaming: EVER. That is a fact. Face reality.
    

[QUOTE="muscrat_01"][QUOTE="lazerluke"]

Lol. This thread is so funny.

In general:

Gamepad best for driving, sports and platformers.

KB M best for shooters, strategy. MMO's.

For those of you are deluded into thinking the gamepad is best for shooting answer the following:

How many pro CS/Quake gamers use a gamepad?

Can you imagine a pro team like Four Kings turning up to the next tourney with gamepads! ROFL

ginazswordsman

A meaningles one and one that was already made. A new point or a better point would be nice.
Stabby2486

It's true, why shouldn't I bring it up?

Because it's already been mentioned. I'm just saying it's a worthless point to make at this point since it's already been mentioned.

So is saying KB/M sucks for most genres.

No you cant comprehend that gamepads are available to every PC gamer, and NO ONE uses them for FPS games - normal or professional.

Consol gamers have to use pads because they are limited to them.

You fail :roll:
muscrat_01

Because it's already been mentioned. I'm just saying it's a worthless point to make at this point since it's already been mentioned.
Stabby2486

So is saying KB/M sucks for most genres.

Yes but I actually gave reasons why. All you did is agree with me that the K+M still works very well for some types of games. Everyone already agreed on that so.... that's why I said you weren't making a point.

Those games are the ones Pc does best.

1. No it allows you to change your movement speed just like anolouge. You do realise that with anoulouge its limited to a few degrees of movement - so you may only be able to switch to 3 - 4 different speeds while pushing the stick fowards..... .So the mouse wheel is just the same.......  
muscrat_01

Yes but I actually gave reasons why. All you did is agree with me that the K+M still works very well for some types of games. Everyone already agreed on that so.... that's why I said you weren't making a point.
Stabby2486

Those games are the ones Pc does best.

We just said that like 5 times in a row. This is where I tell you for the second time that you aren't making a good point.

Like it or not it's true and I'm gonna repeat it until I get it into your thick head.

Mouse is better at aiming, but controller is better at gaming. Oh and by the way.. im a Gamer.TONYSIX7

We just said that like 5 times in a row. This is where I tell you for the second time that you aren't making a good point.
Stabby2486

Like it or not it's true and I'm gonna repeat it until I get it into your thick head.

[QUOTE="muscrat_01"]
No you cant comprehend that gamepads are available to every PC gamer, and NO ONE uses them for FPS games - normal or professional.

Consol gamers have to use pads because they are limited to them.

You fail :roll:
ginazswordsman

That's going to get boring for you real quick because this now the 3rd time that I'm telling you that I agree with you.

So what about picking up on our arguement about "realism"?

Ok, look. It all depends what format you like better. But then consoles now have the best of both worlds.

Sony released a keyboard and mouse attachment for the PS3, and it ALSO WORKS WITH THE 360! So now, PC gamers can't bash us, because if we wanted that particular control scheme, we could have it! Just like they could could have the new wireless 360 controller for Windows. Muahahaha.

I also think it is very strange how mouses make people look like they have super human reactions...

Just for the record, I prefer a console controller.

[QUOTE="muscrat_01"]
1. No it allows you to change your movement speed just like anolouge. You do realise that with anoulouge its limited to a few degrees of movement - so you may only be able to switch to 3 - 4 different speeds while pushing the stick fowards..... .So the mouse wheel is just the same.......  
ginazswordsman

Ok, look. It all depends what format you like better. But then consoles now have the best of both worlds.

Sony released a keyboard and mouse attachment for the PS3, and it ALSO WORKS WITH THE 360! So now, PC gamers can't bash us, because if we wanted that particular control scheme, we could have it! Just like they could could have the new wireless 360 controller for Windows. Muahahaha.

I also think it is very strange how mouses make people look like they have super human reactions...

Just for the record, I prefer a console controller.

Matmoo_Wii60

That's going to get boring for you real quick because this now the 3rd time that I'm telling you that I agree with you.
Stabby2486

So what about picking up on our arguement about "realism"?

[QUOTE="TONYSIX7"]Mouse is better at aiming, but controller is better at gaming. Oh and by the way.. im a Gamer.ginazswordsman

[QUOTE="Matmoo_Wii60"]

Ok, look. It all depends what format you like better. But then consoles now have the best of both worlds.

Sony released a keyboard and mouse attachment for the PS3, and it ALSO WORKS WITH THE 360! So now, PC gamers can't bash us, because if we wanted that particular control scheme, we could have it! Just like they could could have the new wireless 360 controller for Windows. Muahahaha.

I also think it is very strange how mouses make people look like they have super human reactions...

Just for the record, I prefer a console controller.

muscrat_01

Realism has two sides to it.

On the PC you can get lots of realism by offering up tons of controlls.

And on a console you can get lots of realism by HOW you controll.

Which one you prefer is a matter of taste and opinion.

Frankly I prefer the console reaslism.

For example. I think it's pretty damn unrealistic that lots of PC shooters let you carry tons of weapons. 2 or 3 guns and a few grenades is more realistic. Some PC shooters follow this, some do not. Most of the console shooters follow this, and the ones that do not are PC ports.

Guns have triggers, so do pads. That's more realitic.
Cars have pedels and pads handle that better than the K+M. That's more realistic.

etc.

Pads just offer up a more realitic experience in gaming. A mouse is great but doing 180 degree turns in a split second is not realitic. I perfer that it actually take time to turn just like in real life.

Yeah, I could accelerate in Burnout using the trigger sensitive RT button for the 360 version, but it's still a freakin' arcade racer. And Pc shooters such as Red Orchestra, America's Army, Armed Assault, Rainbow Six: Raven Shield etc make console shooters look depth-less.

So a gamepad allows me to move North East by pushing the stick in that direction, and a Keyboard does the same by pushing W and D. Thats Even.

A anolouge stick adjusts speed by pushing the stick at different degrees foward - and you can to that on a KB/M mouse via a mouse wheel, or holding another key to adjust speed ala Shift.
Yes a stick precsision here.

Just because a stick has 256 speeds, dosent mean there is going to be minor speed changes while moving a stick fowards. There is usally 3 to 4 notcable speed changes whith a stick. Im playing Halo 2 RIGHT NOW and its easy to tell that there are a few set speeds of movment, not 256.........

No if anyone is ignorant and arrogant, you fit it.
muscrat_01

[QUOTE="AgentVX"]

This is complete rubbish in an otherwise decent response. KB/M has many uses in games and different types of games. It was designed for PC games which includes FPS, and it completely succeeds in many genre of games.

Keep this rather childish respose out, and maybe people will take your seriously.

ginazswordsman

**Yawn**

Keyboard and Mouse were initially designed for interfacing.  But obviously they have redesinged keyboards and mice for gaming, have implimented special buttons and software specifically for gaming.

And the games themselves are specifically designed for KB/M, not for console.

I'm glad your rebuttaling my other comments, looks like your arguements are getting weaker and weaker.

Listen, if you personally like controllers better for FPS, all the power too ya. But for the vast majority of people who have spent a fair amount of time with both controller and KB/M, there is no comparision on which they will take, and that is KB/M combo.

Most that say the "KB/M for FPS are crap" are console limited, or suck so bad with the Big Boys on PC's FPS, or excel at using the controller with others using the controller.  Not to say that your one of them as you might just prefer a controller for what ever reason.

But hard cold fact, the KB/M excels at FPS, the benifits definately outways the cons.

[QUOTE="Stabby2486"]

That's going to get boring for you real quick because this now the 3rd time that I'm telling you that I agree with you.
ginazswordsman

So what about picking up on our arguement about "realism"?

[QUOTE="ginazswordsman"][QUOTE="TONYSIX7"]Mouse is better at aiming, but controller is better at gaming. Oh and by the way.. im a Gamer.muscrat_01

[QUOTE="muscrat_01"][QUOTE="Matmoo_Wii60"]

Ok, look. It all depends what format you like better. But then consoles now have the best of both worlds.

Sony released a keyboard and mouse attachment for the PS3, and it ALSO WORKS WITH THE 360! So now, PC gamers can't bash us, because if we wanted that particular control scheme, we could have it! Just like they could could have the new wireless 360 controller for Windows. Muahahaha.

I also think it is very strange how mouses make people look like they have super human reactions...

Just for the record, I prefer a console controller.

Matmoo_Wii60

Yeah, I could accelerate in Burnout using the trigger sensitive RT button for the 360 version, but it's still a freakin' arcade racer. And Pc shooters such as Red Orchestra, America's Army, Armed Assault, Rainbow Six: Raven Shield etc make console shooters look depth-less.

Stabby2486

Im yet to hear or see any console FPS work with KB/M....

Its not even in any console games design code, let alone COD3s.

So have some eveidence coz you need it.

Actually he's right, I saw a youtube video of someone using the XPS 360 adaptor to play Cod3 with a KB/M.

Your personal opinion are of no value to anyone in this discussion. Care add to the discussion by actually make a valid point?

Why not actually make a counter point instead of being an arrogant moron?

[QUOTE="muscrat_01"]
So a gamepad allows me to move North East by pushing the stick in that direction, and a Keyboard does the same by pushing W and D. Thats Even.

A anolouge stick adjusts speed by pushing the stick at different degrees foward - and you can to that on a KB/M mouse via a mouse wheel, or holding another key to adjust speed ala Shift.
Yes a stick precsision here.

Just because a stick has 256 speeds, dosent mean there is going to be minor speed changes while moving a stick fowards. There is usally 3 to 4 notcable speed changes whith a stick. Im playing Halo 2 RIGHT NOW and its easy to tell that there are a few set speeds of movment, not 256.........

No if anyone is ignorant and arrogant, you fit it.
ginazswordsman

Well, I know for a fact it works for Call of Duty 3 coz I seen it played with the KB/M. If it works for Call of Duty 3, then it must work for more of em too.muscrat_01

[QUOTE="muscrat_01"][QUOTE="ginazswordsman"][QUOTE="TONYSIX7"]Mouse is better at aiming, but controller is better at gaming. Oh and by the way.. im a Gamer.ginazswordsman

Your personal opinion are of no value to anyone in this discussion. Care add to the discussion by actually make a valid point?
Stabby2486

Why not actually make a counter point instead of being an arrogant moron?

[QUOTE="muscrat_01"]Well, I know for a fact it works for Call of Duty 3 coz I seen it played with the KB/M. If it works for Call of Duty 3, then it must work for more of em too.ginazswordsman

Clearly I'm being owned real hard so I'm just not going to respond to you.

No there well known facts. Thank you.

The only one that is borderline is 3rdPS, but I stand that its better on PC - ala Max Payne, Total Overdose ect. - Both of which I have / had on PC and Xbox.

I`d call GeOW and Resi 4 more Action games than 3rdPS.
muscrat_01

[QUOTE="Stabby2486"]

That's going to get boring for you real quick because this now the 3rd time that I'm telling you that I agree with you.
ginazswordsman

So what about picking up on our arguement about "realism"?

Your wrong on so many levels.

First, the most obvious one.  Here you  state that contollers offer more realism.  Your wrong.  KB/M offers more realistic (1)"looking" and (2)"aiming".  Your right about controllers offering more realistic forward/backward/sideway's movement in (3)terms of speed.  But controllers get a 1 out of 3 on realism.

As for the "Guns have triggers, so do pads" comment, so totally irrelavant.  As I mentioned before, your controller looks, nor feels anything close to a actually gun.  So if you can imagine your controller being a gun, you can imagine your mouse as being the gun.  Actually, this is such a stupid comment I don't even know why I am responding.

"Pads just offer up a more realitic experience in gaming. A mouse is great but doing 180 degree turns in a split second is not realitic. I perfer that it actually take time to turn just like in real life."

Now this comment I had to laugh at.  Either you weigh 450lbs and just can't turn around in 1/2 second like most healthy people can, or your just grasping at straws.  I can actually do a 180 with a rifle in under a half second and have a gun pointed realatively accurately at a target.  This is near impossible for a controller, unlike which a KB/M combo can do. Again, KB/M much more realistic in this area that you seem so terribly concerned with.

Clearly I'm being owned real hard so I'm just not going to respond to you.
Stabby2486

That's childish and against the rules. You can believe whatever makes you feel better. I'm not insecure about the level of intelligence in my posts so I'm glad I'm not you.

Atleast I don't tell everyone they're not making valid points to warrant a response. Moron.

[QUOTE="muscrat_01"]No there well known facts. Thank you.

The only one that is borderline is 3rdPS, but I stand that its better on PC - ala Max Payne, Total Overdose ect. - Both of which I have / had on PC and Xbox.

I`d call GeOW and Resi 4 more Action games than 3rdPS.
ginazswordsman