Nvidia : Consoles are finished

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#151  Edited By Couth_
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@timster20 said:

@Couth_ said:

@timster20 said:

@Couth_ said:

He didn't say consoles are finished. He said the golden days are over and it's true. The golden age was ps1/ps2 where there was a huge influx of amazing games and experiences which differed to what was available on PC.

Now, most games make it to PC and are superior on PC. It's the definitive platform and always will be

And during that time there were many great pc games that never made it to console or the console got severely gimped versions. Witcher, Elder Scrolls, Battlefield, CoD, System Shock, Far Cry, Crysis were all originally pc only and now the sequels are all on consoles as well. Everquest Next, Elder Scrolls Online, Planetside 2 and Diablo 3 going to console are even further signs of this going both ways.

Yeah all games go to all platforms that's what I said, but they look and play better on PC

You left out the fact that many once pc centric genres are now on consoles. You made it sound as if it was a one way shift with only the pc getting new genres it never had. Also remember during those console golden days the only way to play online shooters was on pc. Both consoles and pc's are far better experiences than they used to be.

I left it out because that's not the point. Yeah consoles get games that were once PC only as well, but they are still best on PC. And PC still gets 100s of games that wont see the light of day on console. PC is the definitive gaming platform, not console. ergo the golden days of console are over, because PC is better. That's it.. consoles are not dying. consoles are doing fine.. but the golden days are over

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No problem. I minored in finance (info. systems major) and work with accounting systems for a living, so it's one of those subjects in which I'm intimately familiar. I also do a bit of equities investing, so I read a lot of financial statements (income statements and balance sheets, mostly).

But still to the point.

It's a half billion in 7 years (still assuming manufacturing costs and R&D weren't factored out of Nvidia's $500 million PS3 royalty check), vs the $600 million Nvidia makes in a quarter today (before the same sorts of costs are factored out).

Though we can just simply look at the fact that Nvidia is making more money than ever and growing faster than ever without consoles, so there may be some truth to the idea that they opted out of consoles due to the high opportunity cost.

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#155 newxerxes
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@Couth_ said:

@timster20 said:

@Couth_ said:

@timster20 said:

And during that time there were many great pc games that never made it to console or the console got severely gimped versions. Witcher, Elder Scrolls, Battlefield, CoD, System Shock, Far Cry, Crysis were all originally pc only and now the sequels are all on consoles as well. Everquest Next, Elder Scrolls Online, Planetside 2 and Diablo 3 going to console are even further signs of this going both ways.

Yeah all games go to all platforms that's what I said, but they look and play better on PC

You left out the fact that many once pc centric genres are now on consoles. You made it sound as if it was a one way shift with only the pc getting new genres it never had. Also remember during those console golden days the only way to play online shooters was on pc. Both consoles and pc's are far better experiences than they used to be.

I left it out because that's not the point. Yeah consoles get games that were once PC only as well, but they are still best on PC. And PC still gets 100s of games that wont see the light of day on console. PC is the definitive gaming platform, not console. ergo the golden days of console are over, because PC is better. That's it.. consoles are not dying. consoles are doing fine.. but the golden days are over

Kind of odd that PS 2 PS 1 days would be considered the golden days of console gaming since console gaming is much better now that online mp is a reality for consolites and there are more genres to choose from.

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@newxerxes said:

Kind of odd that PS 2 PS 1 days would be considered the golden days of console gaming since console gaming is much better now that online mp is a reality for consolites and there are more genres to choose from.

Holy shit guys, Cranler's other alt is back.

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#157  Edited By Jankarcop
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@dino7c said:

95% of "PC Gamers" are playing facebook games

Consoles are selling better than ever

Link?

PC gaming software sales are above all 3 consoles combined even when not counting 'facebook' games. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS538US538&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=pc%20gaming%20sales%20above%20console

More PC gamers have a pc better than ps4s sold and thats just counting nvidia sales. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-VCQHTRi0

Double the gaming hardware sales than all 6 consoles combined http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

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#158  Edited By DEadliNE-Zero0
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@papatrop: Yup. I can imagine the profit margins being lower this time around aswell. All things considered, i could be net income for both consoles over the span of 7 years amount to less than 2 years of Nvidias profits.

And again, this report does not include the launch of the 900 series. I could see a bigger increase this quarter.

They're so salty

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@timster20 said:

Lol! Try 10% of the entire gaming market. In fact, in 2013 casual webgames made more money than pc boxed/donwloaded games which are basically any game on dvd, steam and origin that's not an mmo.

A majority of PC gaming software sales are not Casual Webgames. Non webgame Subscription, F2P, Downloaded, and Boxed are most of PC's revenue. These are real games, they all count.

Infact, if you take out Casual Webgames, PC still beats 3 consoles at once (but not all 6).

And that is from your data.

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@newxerxes said:

@mikhail said:

@newxerxes said:

Kind of odd that PS 2 PS 1 days would be considered the golden days of console gaming since console gaming is much better now that online mp is a reality for consolites and there are more genres to choose from.

Holy shit guys, Cranler's other alt is back.

Not familiar with this Cranrel guy you speak of and please try to stay on topic. June 14

Really with the Cranler misspellings again?

@charizard1605 mods pls

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Nvidea sounds salty they missed out on that sony and MS money this gen

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@mikhail said:

@newxerxes said:

@mikhail said:

@newxerxes said:

Kind of odd that PS 2 PS 1 days would be considered the golden days of console gaming since console gaming is much better now that online mp is a reality for consolites and there are more genres to choose from.

Holy shit guys, Cranler's other alt is back.

Not familiar with this Cranrel guy you speak of and please try to stay on topic. June 14

Really with the Cranler misspellings again?

@charizard1605 mods pls

Hermit crying to mods when opposition shows up. Typical.

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@newxerxes: Shut up, Cranler.

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@darkangel115 said:

Nvidea sounds salty they missed out on that sony and MS money this gen

What money? That money that was supposed to get AMD out of its hole.... oh wait.....

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@mikhail said:

@newxerxes: Shut up, Cranler.

Not Camler.

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@newxerxes said:

@Couth_ said:

@timster20 said:

@Couth_ said:

@timster20 said:

And during that time there were many great pc games that never made it to console or the console got severely gimped versions. Witcher, Elder Scrolls, Battlefield, CoD, System Shock, Far Cry, Crysis were all originally pc only and now the sequels are all on consoles as well. Everquest Next, Elder Scrolls Online, Planetside 2 and Diablo 3 going to console are even further signs of this going both ways.

Yeah all games go to all platforms that's what I said, but they look and play better on PC

You left out the fact that many once pc centric genres are now on consoles. You made it sound as if it was a one way shift with only the pc getting new genres it never had. Also remember during those console golden days the only way to play online shooters was on pc. Both consoles and pc's are far better experiences than they used to be.

I left it out because that's not the point. Yeah consoles get games that were once PC only as well, but they are still best on PC. And PC still gets 100s of games that wont see the light of day on console. PC is the definitive gaming platform, not console. ergo the golden days of console are over, because PC is better. That's it.. consoles are not dying. consoles are doing fine.. but the golden days are over

Kind of odd that PS 2 PS 1 days would be considered the golden days of console gaming since console gaming is much better now that online mp is a reality for consolites and there are more genres to choose from.

what was that? <500 post alt account.. i dont speak that language

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@newxerxes said:

Not Camler.

@newxerxes said:

Not familiar with this Cranrel guy

@charizard1605 Seriously with this fucking guy...

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@mikhail said:

@newxerxes said:

Not Camler.

@newxerxes said:

Not familiar with this Cranrel guy

@charizard1605 Seriously with this fucking guy...

If a consolite was as annoying as you they'd be on a perpetual flag ban.

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@newxerxes said:

Not familiar with this Cranrel guy you speak of and please try to stay on topic. June 14

Word for word what Huggles and Cranler say.

Seriously, if you're doing this for fun, cool Cranler, but i hope to god you don't think you're fooling anyone.

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#173 Mr_Huggles_dog
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@newxerxes said:

@Jankarcop said:

@timster20 said:

Lol! Try 10% of the entire gaming market. In fact, in 2013 casual webgames made more money than pc boxed/donwloaded games which are basically any game on dvd, steam and origin that's not an mmo.

A majority of PC gaming software sales are not Casual Webgames. Non webgame Subscription, F2P, Downloaded, and Boxed are most of PC's revenue. These are real games, they all count.

Infact, if you take out Casual Webgames, PC still beats 3 consoles at once (but not all 6).

And that is from your data.

In 2013 casual web games revenue was higher than pc mid core which is boxed and downloaded pc games. Take out the casual webgames and console had more revenue than pc last year.

And every hermit here will ignore this.

This is all that needed to be posted.

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#174  Edited By lostrib
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@newxerxes said:

@mikhail said:

@newxerxes said:

Not Camler.

@newxerxes said:

Not familiar with this Cranrel guy

@charizard1605 Seriously with this fucking guy...

If a consolite was as annoying as you they'd be on a perpetual flag ban.

Perhaps he does get karma banned often?

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@clyde46 said:

@darkangel115 said:

Nvidea sounds salty they missed out on that sony and MS money this gen

What money? That money that was supposed to get AMD out of its hole.... oh wait.....

and 10+ million sold isn't getting sony out of its hole, so whats your point? its clear nvidea could have gained alot had sony and or MS chose to go with their APU over AMD

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@darkangel115 said:

@clyde46 said:

@darkangel115 said:

Nvidea sounds salty they missed out on that sony and MS money this gen

What money? That money that was supposed to get AMD out of its hole.... oh wait.....

and 10+ million sold isn't getting sony out of its hole, so whats your point? its clear nvidea could have gained alot had sony and or MS chose to go with their APU over AMD

Could of it benefited Nvidia? Maybe, not that they are bothered by it. Last 3 years, posting record profits etc.

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@newxerxes said:

@lostrib said:

@newxerxes said:

If a consolite was as annoying as you they'd be on a perpetual flag ban.

Perhaps he does get karma banned often?

Maybe, there's so many hermits here who spew the same nonsense they all blend.

Yeah, there's a lot of accounts that spew the same nonsense as you. I can't keep them straight

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#181 lostrib
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@newxerxes said:

@lostrib said:

@newxerxes said:

Maybe, there's so many hermits here who spew the same nonsense they all blend.

Yeah, there's a lot of accounts that spew the same nonsense as you. I can't keep them straight

What nonsense?

All your posts

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@lostrib said:

@newxerxes said:

@lostrib said:

@newxerxes said:

Maybe, there's so many hermits here who spew the same nonsense they all blend.

Yeah, there's a lot of accounts that spew the same nonsense as you. I can't keep them straight

What nonsense?

All your posts

Why you holding back?

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@Motokid6 said:

@mr_huggles_dog: Hermits will ignore that because without web games the console revenue ( does that chart signify revenue? Idk... ) was one percent higher then pc's almost two years ago.

...

2 years ago? That chart is from Jan 2014. It's the last full year we have to go by.

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@clyde46 said:

@darkangel115 said:

@clyde46 said:

@darkangel115 said:

Nvidea sounds salty they missed out on that sony and MS money this gen

What money? That money that was supposed to get AMD out of its hole.... oh wait.....

and 10+ million sold isn't getting sony out of its hole, so whats your point? its clear nvidea could have gained alot had sony and or MS chose to go with their APU over AMD

Could of it benefited Nvidia? Maybe, not that they are bothered by it. Last 3 years, posting record profits etc.

So? your telling me if a company had the option to profit 50 million or 150 million they wouldn't care which one they did because its still profit? As a business their goal is to make as much money as possible, they lost out on a big deal. Did it bankrupt them? no obviously not, but they would still have preferred to win that bid

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@Couth_ said:

@notorious1234na said:

@Couth_ said:

He didn't say consoles are finished. He said the golden days are over and it's true. The golden age was ps1/ps2 where there was a huge influx of amazing games and experiences which differed to what was available on PC.

Now, most games make it to PC and are superior on PC. It's the definitive platform and always will be

Golden days over you sure?

Console still owns 50% of the gaming industry.

PC still stuck in 20s while mobile eating up both PC and Consoles market share like candy.

Yeah i'm sure. Never again will a console sell as much as the PS2 did. Never again will a console get as many quality games as ps1/ps2 did. It's 2014 and the consoles are struggling to play 1080p 60fps.. PC will always get heaps of games, has a huge backlog and will play games at whatever settings you want. Not saying consoles are dying but I don't see how you could consider these "golden days" when the pc exists and is superior in almost every way

Well as a poster posted a pic above, it shows that console still have a firm grip on the market. I can find professional research reports that present that information worst. That pic just divides the market into sub categories. At end of day, consoles still generate the most revenue for how many decades so...if anything PC hermits should be barking at mobile since they are clearly taking away more of your market share than ours.

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@lostrib said:

@newxerxes said:

@lostrib said:

@newxerxes said:

If a consolite was as annoying as you they'd be on a perpetual flag ban.

Perhaps he does get karma banned often?

Maybe, there's so many hermits here who spew the same nonsense they all blend.

Yeah, there's a lot of accounts that spew the same nonsense as you. I can't keep them straight

lol...rekt

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#188 Bigboi500
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@Couth_ said:

Now, most games make it to PC and are superior on PC. It's the definitive platform and always will be

For certain genres, sure, but not for everything. The day when PC caters to every kind of gamer and is easier to build/upgrade is the day consoles are finished.

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#189 mikhail
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@Bigboi500 said:

@Couth_ said:

Now, most games make it to PC and are superior on PC. It's the definitive platform and always will be

For certain genres, sure, but not for everything. The day when PC caters to every kind of gamer and is easier to build/upgrade is the day consoles are finished.

Really? Which games are better on consoles compared to PC?

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@newxerxes said:

@lostrib said:

@newxerxes said:

What nonsense?

All your posts

Please be specific. Explain my alleged nonsense.

"If a consolite was as annoying as you they'd be on a perpetual flag ban."

@clyde46 said:

@lostrib said:

@newxerxes said:

What nonsense?

All your posts

Why you holding back?

Eh, I'm in the middle of work. And why put in the effort when it will just be a different account in a few hours/days?

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#191 lostrib
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@Bigboi500 said:

@Couth_ said:

Now, most games make it to PC and are superior on PC. It's the definitive platform and always will be

For certain genres, sure, but not for everything. The day when PC caters to every kind of gamer and is easier to build/upgrade is the day consoles are finished.

how difficult do you think it is to build/upgrade a PC?

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#192  Edited By Jankarcop
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@mr_huggles_dog said:

TROLLOL

TRROLLOL

Why are you both ignoring MMO/F2P revenue? PC is 30% while Consoles are 31% in that chart. One system nearly beats out 6 systems by only 1%...

And that was 2013, in 2014 PC topped Consoles. http://www.maximumpc.com/bragging_rights_pc_gaming_market_maintains_sales_lead_over_consoles_2014

According to NewZoo (the creator of that graph), MMO/F2P are core games as well. Go check on their site.

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@darkangel115 said:

@clyde46 said:

@darkangel115 said:

@clyde46 said:

@darkangel115 said:

Nvidea sounds salty they missed out on that sony and MS money this gen

What money? That money that was supposed to get AMD out of its hole.... oh wait.....

and 10+ million sold isn't getting sony out of its hole, so whats your point? its clear nvidea could have gained alot had sony and or MS chose to go with their APU over AMD

Could of it benefited Nvidia? Maybe, not that they are bothered by it. Last 3 years, posting record profits etc.

So? your telling me if a company had the option to profit 50 million or 150 million they wouldn't care which one they did because its still profit? As a business their goal is to make as much money as possible, they lost out on a big deal. Did it bankrupt them? no obviously not, but they would still have preferred to win that bid

You don't understand how business works it seems. The deal was not "big", in fact it was actually quite small in the big picture. As you state "the goal of business is to make money" which is correct but you missed a key bit of information "the goal of business is to make as money as you can while spending the least". Go back and read some of those articles that others have posted, they tell that Nvidia deemed it too costly to produce the chips i.e. the deal is not profitable for them.

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#195 newxerxes
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@Jankarcop said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

TROLLOL

TRROLLOL

Why are you both ignoring MMO/F2P revenue? PC is 30% while Consoles are 31% in that chart. One system nearly beats out 6 systems by only 1%...

According to NewZoo (the creator of that graph), MMO/F2P are core games as well. Go check on their site.

Consolites are splintered between competing platforms and gens while pc isn't.

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@newxerxes said:

@lostrib said:

@newxerxes said:

Please be specific. Explain my alleged nonsense.

"If a consolite was as annoying as you they'd be on a perpetual flag ban."

Eh, I'm in the middle of work. And why put in the effort when it will just be a different account in a few hours/days?

Well in my experience hermits are more likely to flag than consolites. i never see consolites crying to mods either like you, mikhail, dasein etc

Based on what evidence? There is no information on who is flagging, or how many users have flagged you. And don't complain to me about being karma banned, if it's such a problem for you then ask a mod. When I got karma banned I didn't go lampoon an entire group of users

See there's your nonsense

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#197  Edited By clyde46
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@lostrib said:

@newxerxes said:

@lostrib said:

@newxerxes said:

Please be specific. Explain my alleged nonsense.

"If a consolite was as annoying as you they'd be on a perpetual flag ban."

Eh, I'm in the middle of work. And why put in the effort when it will just be a different account in a few hours/days?

Well in my experience hermits are more likely to flag than consolites. i never see consolites crying to mods either like you, mikhail, dasein etc

Based on what evidence? There is no information on who is flagging, or how many users have flagged you. And don't complain to me about being karma banned, if it's such a problem for you then ask a mod. When I got karma banned I didn't go lampoon an entire group of users

See there's your nonsense

I see Cranler is still QQ'ing.

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#198  Edited By Jankarcop
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@newxerxes said:

@Jankarcop said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

TROLLOL

TRROLLOL

Why are you both ignoring MMO/F2P revenue? PC is 30% while Consoles are 31% in that chart. One system nearly beats out 6 systems by only 1%...

According to NewZoo (the creator of that graph), MMO/F2P are core games as well. Go check on their site.

Consolites are splintered between competing platforms and gens while pc isn't.

When not counting web-games:

PC (one system) had only 1% less revenue than all 6 consoles combined in 2013.

PC (one system) had more revenue than all 6 consoles combined in 2014.

Those are just the facts. What you are giving is excuses, and no links as to them being true. PC not having real generations or competition doesn't really refute the fact that PC is factually making faaaaaaaaar more cash than any console.

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#199 kunal1092000
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Consoles have a place still. I don't see them dying out anytime soon although I see handheld consoles becoming more obsolete due to tablets and mobile phones.