Nvidia : Consoles are finished

@Jankarcop: Without having to compete between platforms, developers instead have to focus on making better games and compete against each other.

That is shockingly beneficial to gamers for some inexplicable reason.

I'm talking about JRPGs. I'm aware that PC is getting more and more of them now, but usually very old ports. I know most of you PC guys don't like 'em, but they are factors for those of us who do.

You have no information on what content I do or do not flag.

And exactly how long did you play the hermit? considering you only have 177 posts, and a fair amount do not seem pro PC

getting started in console gaming is as simple as taking a 1 minute walk to the electronics section while grocery shopping at walmart.

Apples and oranges bro. Consolites have multiple platforms to choose from while pc gamers have 1.

PC makes cash? All this time I thought steam and the dev/pub were getting my money when i bought a pc game.

No it isn't, unless your walmart is way different than mine

There will always be a market for both in the forseeable future.

right lol so AMD cut a deal knowing they will lose money? they sell hardware. sony + MS would = to this point what like 20 million sold? even if they made 1 dollar on each unit, thats 20 million more in profit. Of course Nvidea tried to damage control, they got greedy probably tried selling at too high a margin, lost the business then came back with an excuse for investors.

I had an account here from 2006-2011.

What will happen with the consoles if AMD goes out of market? it does not looking good for them...

"AMD and GloFlo are at a tipping point, and things are not looking good for either, according to beancounters at Bernstein Research. The analysts said that AMD had announced another round of layoffs, changed chief executives, and delivered its latest dim quarterly results."

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/36250-amd-and-globalfoundaries-doomed-warns-analyst

For most people, not THAT difficult, but for your average shopper and casual gamer? More difficult than necessary. Until it becomes "buy pack A and connect to pack B" and easily available and affordable in your average walk-in store, things will continue to be that way.

Just saying stuff like "do some research and ask for help from the community" isn't going to work for most people. Speaking from experience, going to ask for help from strangers and guys who work in PC stores isn't very helpful, and can be intimidating. The jerks I turned to wouldn't even offer verbal advice without receiving cash upfront. Not knowing a single person in the real world who is fluent in building PCs is also a major brick wall for a lot of people.

It's a super walmart and maybe you walk at turtle speed.

uh huh, sure...

Excuses.... sure pal.... I guess that year on year profit making is sending their investors into a panic.... Fact of the matter is, there is no money to be made in console hardware. Look at AMD, still having money problems even after this supposed "deal". AMD got the contract because they offered a lower price. Simple as fucking that. Nvidia didn't "lose" business at all as they did not spend anything on the new consoles, Nvidia gave the big three their offer but it was too high cost wise for the big three.

You don't know thats 20 million in profit. You don't know how much AMD spent on R/D. If AMD spent 10 million on R/D and only made 13 million back then thats only 3 million in profit. Not enough to plug that gaping hole in their balance books buddy. The Nvidia CEO said it himself, there is no money in making hardware for consoles.... Not when you compare it to the likes of the smart phone and the discrete graphics market. Nvidia doesn't need to damage control. They have the worlds best GPU, market leading GPU accelarated applications and best in class mobile graphics.

Look how mad these bitter losers are lol. Meanwhile the PS4 is breaking records in sales and even though the Xbox One is far behind.....it is STILL the fastest selling xbox console ever.

now go cry

bitter about what?

Glad your not running a business lol, if Nvidea really thought there was no money in it, they wouldn't have tried to get the business. They tried and failed. Very simple. I know we have delusional MS and Sony and nintendo fanboys, but now we have delusional nvidea fanboys?

Read what I wrote man. Nvidia saw no money in making console hardware..... How did they fail then brainiac?

If they seen no money in it, they wouldn't have tried to get a deal with MS and Sony. what they did is walk up to a girl at the bar, get shot down, then say "she was ugly and we didn't want her anyway" If they really thought she was ugly, they wouldn't have tried to hit on her in the 1st place. get it? who cares what they said after. actions speak louder then words

Although we don't know the specifics of that deal, we can speculate. Maybe Nvidia's deal was too costly for the big 3 because Nvidia wanted comeback on the money they would have to put it. Regardless of how you see it though, Nvidia have done just fine without the console deal. The comments they made soon after AMD got the contract, yeah they were a little salty but now, today? No, Nvidia aren't salty, they are telling it like it is. The fact that Nvidia made serious bank since that contract went to AMD just goes to show how little money it made for AMD.

Well we don't know the specifics, speculating isn't going to get you anywhere. They could have been 10s of millions to expensive or 100k too expensive. Nobody knows. So assuming that AMD lost money on the deal is a bad assumption. Sony is still losing billions every quarter, doesn't mean we can assume that playstation is the cause of it. And that's what you are doing with AMD. meanwhile MS is making billions still. SO based on your AMD/Nvidea logic, it would be like saying the Xbox is making MS more money then the PS is making sony. Now we all know thats probably not true, SO why would it be true for nvidea and AMD? you know what they say about assumptions right?

I'm not denying that nvidea is doing ok without the deal, and yes AMD is doing poorly. But its not 100% either way do to the deal, the way you make it sound, if Nvidea got the deal they would be losing money and AMD would be doing ok. Thats hardly the case.

The Japanese gaming scene is pretty healthy on PC. It's not just old ports. A lot of indie games come from Japan nowadays that won't go to consoles.

Consoles are pretty barren when it comes to Japanese games nowadays. Far more so than PC is which is saying a lot.

There haven't been many Japanese PS4/XB1-only games released this year and last year, but starting in 2015 there'll be a lot more.

Persona 5, Bloodborne, FFXV (probably going to PC), KH3 (probably going to PC, it's using UE4 so I'd be shocked if it didn't), Deep Down, and Scalebound are ones I can list off the top of my head. Then there's stuff on the Wii U like Xenoblade Chronicles X.

Nvidia didnt go after the deal because they know that the profit margins for console hardware is little to nothing, GPU manufacturers don’t get top billing on consoles and none for game titles. There’s no joint marketing to promote etc. Also another reason why Nvidia didnt go with the deal is because AMD was the lowest bidder and offered an all in one solution for the companies saving them bucket loads in R&D costs getting a multiple hardware brands working together.

Except they DID go after the deal, and lost it. The way you put it, MS and Sony approached Nvidea for a proposal and they said no thank you and walked away. Thats not what happened

In your opinion. PC is 1 system. Xbox One is 1 system. PS4 is 1 system.

so 95% games better on PC. Nice.

that everyone chose AMD

Damn this thread shows that console gamers still think the market revolves around them.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmoorhead/2013/06/26/the-real-reasons-microsoft-and-sony-chose-amd-for-consoles/

My sources have confirmed for me that both Sony and Microsoft felt that MIPS didn’t have the right size developer ecosystem or the horsepower to power the new consoles. Then it came down to ARM versus X86 architecture. I am told there was a technical “bake-off”, where prototype silicon was tested against each other across a myriad of application-based and synthetic benchmarks. At the end of the bake-off, ARM was deemed as not having the right kind of horsepower and that its 64-bit architecture wasn’t ready soon enough. 64-bit was important as it maximized memory addressability, and the next gen console needed to run multiple apps, operating systems and hypervisors. ARM-based architectures will soon get as powerful as AMD’s Jaguar cores, but not when Sony or Microsoft needed them for their new consoles.

Then there is the matter of implementation. Both Sony and Microsoft wanted a custom X86-based SOC, or system on a chip. SOCs are silicon similar in design to those in a smartphone, where every single piece of functionality is driven off of a single piece of silicon like the apps processor, graphics, video, image processing, audio, security, memory controller and I/O. The only thing separate inside the consoles are storage and some power management. The desire for an SOC makes sense for so many reasons. First is low power, as generally, SOCs are lower power than multiple pieces of silicon. Also, one piece of silicon generally takes less space and generates less heat than two or three chips. The requirement for an X86-based SOC ostensibly removed NvidiaNVDA +1.18% from the running.

As for custom, both Microsoft and Sony had different requirements for graphics, video processing, content security, and even memory. Sony and Microsoft could have attempted to pull it off on their own, but they just didn’t have the experience or the IP required to put five to seven billion transistors on one piece of silicon. They also could have contracted a third party like Open Silicon, but frankly, this is way too complex a project and the stakes too high to go with anyone who hasn’t done leading edge design. And who can forget the Microsoft’s “red ring of death” costing them billions and tarnishing the Xbox brand. The requirement for a custom SOC removed Intel from the running, as well as their graphics.

Every one of these factors above contributed to AMD getting the nod. AMD won this business because they have the advanced IP, know-how, experience and commitment to make this happen. They have leading edge IP in CPU, GPU, memory, video, audio, and I/O. They also designed the first quad core, X86 SOC, and it’s not a giant leap to take this to eight cores. Finally, AMD built an entire product division to support the effort that others weren’t prepared to commit. It was a clear-cut win.

Actually that is exactly what happened. The big three had put out that they were making new machines and needed chips for them. Nvidia put forward their solution but it wasn't accepted...

Also, I never said that Nvidia would be losing money. I said that there was little to no financial gain in making them.

So you agree that they did try and sell chips to sony and MS. Which is exactly what I said, nice way to contradict yourself.

No money changed hands idiot. Its a proposal.... Just like ARM and Intel who also put their plans forward....

PC is a type of system that's monopolized. Console is a type of system that's not. Just facts.

Lol are we both speaking English? no shit no money exchanged hands. MS and Sony rejected them. They wanted to sell a product to MS and Sony, both said no and purchased it from their competitor, they got butt hurt and said some PR BS about how it wasn't worth it, and you equate that too they never tried. Once again Nvidea did try to sell. period. they failed , now they are butt hurt.

Consoles should stick around, they clearly have a large consumer base. But the AAA blockbuster model of producing games needs to be tweaked or thrownout altogether (unsustainable in long run). Consoles/pcs are just the medium, it's the games that matter at the end of the day. More medium sized independent studios, smaller publishers would be ideal.

Wut.. no one said consoles are or will ever be "finished".. clyde made that up

Do you lug your consoles upstairs and downstairs for certain games? No, of course not, that would be ridiculous and no one would ever suggest it.

The PC I have hooked up to my TV in the living room is equipped with a wireless keyboard & mouse and a wireless 360 controller. I play all my multiplats and controller enabled games on there. Why is that so difficult for console people to grasp? It isn't 1985 anymore, the PC is not restricted to a desk and office chair anymore.

Consoles make gaming mainstream, it's the big money. So no.

@speak_low: What the **** are you even talking about? You go off on some crazy tangents dude.

Star citizen is a AAA crowd funded game with over $60 million. It is showing up other AAA games that use more of their money on marketing than the actual game. It's offering more content than any other AAA game so far despite having a lower budget. Budget does not equal quality, thought you guys would learn after Destiny or the yearly Call of Duty. Many MMOs on PC have large budgets. If someone wants to game they'll move to PC if consoles don't exist. Look at how quick the steam userbase is growing from 75 million to 100 million in less than a year.

Also

I think they are going out the door, myself.

I'm not sure if they are out the door. but SOMETHING has to change. The whole spend hundred of millions on RnD just so they can be outdated by launch is not going to work in the future. Moore's law laughs at the console release cycles

@HalcyonScarlet: If the golden days of consoles are over why is the PS4 selling at record breaking pace?

1. The "golden age" Huang described, "...the game console...was really unambiguously the only and the best game platform to enjoy games." never existed.

2. Consoles are literally doing better than they ever have.

3. Even the original article speculates "red envy" as the source of his comments.

PC = 1 system

XBONE = 1 system

PS4 = 1 system

PC(1 system) has more sales and good/great games than any other 1 system.

Just the facts.

Who the **** uses that cornball slang? Do you also listen to Limp Bizkit?