**Official** 360 beats PS3 in 2011 SALES

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]The PS3 was actually the highest selling console worldwide in 2011.Heil68

What are you two delusional clowns going on about?? Read Sony's official press release http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642. The 360 outsold the PS3 worldwide by .8 units in 2011. It also increased it total lead to 4 million. Learn to read

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Even without a good link, it doens't matter.

Both consoles have sold over 60 million.

kbanna

It is legit. The lead has now grown to 4 million. It was 2 in 2011. Sony's own numbers have them at 62 million. Microsoft reported 66 million. Also while Sony sold 6.5 in the last qtr, Micro sold 8.4. The math is there. Microsoft kicked Sony's a@$ last year and increased the gap....period

Sony fanboys tend to be bad with math...

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]That's a vgchartz link...kbanna

I am talking about sony's official press realese which they stated that they are now at 62 million worldwide, they have a 2billion dollar loss for the year in their gaming division, and they shipped 6.5 mill PS3's in the last qtr of 2011. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642. I have not nor will I ever use vgchartz because its pure nonsense

Ah, a much better link.

2 billion loss. Ouch.

People are playing sales?

People are playing sales?

super600

You PS3 fans just don't get it do you?? The Generation is ending. Sony lost 70% market share and just posted a 2 billion dollar loss in their gaming division. On the flip side not only did Microsoft gain market share this generation, it outsold the PS3 last year and has increased the gap to 4 million now. And on another humiliating note, Xbox revenues in the last quarter were bigger than the Playstation family revenues. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642&page=4 The entire Playstation line………

Which company do you feel is going to be in better shape next year to launch a new console and have new IP's as well as mutliplates?? You think Sony can continue to create "new IP's" with its business bleeding like this?? You keep cheering Sony's exclusives...you need to go buy them instead to help them out.

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It's funny how hypocritical this place is...I've been a member since '04 and I remember when all the big name Ps2 titles were flopping left and right(MGS3,DMC3,GT). After that, it was the COWS who claimed sales dominance. It didn't matter that the xbox had more AAA, it had 1/5th of the Ps2's sales. Now it's your turn to be last, at a game you cows created. Deal with it.

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

People are playing sales?

Desmonic

You PS3 fans just don't get it do you?? The Generation is ending. Sony lost 70% market share and just posted a 2 billion dollar loss in their gaming division. On the flip side not only did Microsoft gain market share this generation, it outsold the PS3 last year and has increased the gap to 4 million now. And on another humiliating note, Xbox revenues in the last quarter were bigger than the Playstation family revenues. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642&page=4 The entire Playstation line………

Which company do you feel is going to be in better shape next year to launch a new console and have new IP's as well as mutliplates?? You think Sony can continue to create "new IP's" with its business bleeding like this?? You keep cheering Sony's exclusives...you need to go buy them instead to help them out.

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It could very well includethe R&D of the PS4, but posting a loss of that magnitude at the beginning of a new generation is a very bad sign. Not only that, but if you factor in the R&D cost for the Vita as well as the abysmal sales and overall state of the Vita, the picture is getting even more scary for them. Surely Microsoft has R&D costs for the 720 as well, and even with that going on, its current business model still has them with record high revenues across their game division. This is not a doom and gloom thing, but it has to be disconcerting for them at this point.

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[QUOTE="super600"]

People are playing sales?

kbanna

You PS3 fans just don't get it do you?? The Generation is ending. Sony lost 70% market share and just posted a 2 billion dollar loss in their gaming division. On the flip side not only did Microsoft gain market share this generation, it outsold the PS3 last year and has increased the gap to 4 million now. And on another humiliating note, Xbox revenues in the last quarter were bigger than the Playstation family revenues. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642&page=4 The entire Playstation line………

Which company do you feel is going to be in better shape next year to launch a new console and have new IP's as well as mutliplates?? You think Sony can continue to create "new IP's" with its business bleeding like this?? You keep cheering Sony's exclusives...you need to go buy them instead to help them out.

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PS3 has more high selling franchises, don't know what your'e getting at.You're just another typical 360 fanboy thinking on 360 games sell.PS3 exclusives that sold over 2 million all include Little Big Planet (4.8 mil) LBP2(2.5 mil) Killzone 2 (2.8 mil) KZ3(2.1 mil) MGS4(5.5 mil) GT5(8.0 mil) GT5P(4 mil) Uncharted (4.12 mil) Uncharted 2 (5.44 mil) Uncharted 3(3.5 mil to date) GOW3 (4.4 mil) Resistance (4 mil) Resistance 2 (2.2 mil) Motorstorm (3.7 mil) Ratchet and Clank TOD(2.34 mil) Infamous (2.1 mil) Heavy Rain(2 mil)

Top selling 360 exclusives2 mil and overinclude Halo 3(11.4 mil) Halo Reach (8.8 mil) Gears 2(6.1 mil) Halo ODST(6 mil) GeOW(5.9 mil) Gears 3(5.2 mil) Forza 3(5 mil) Fable 3 (4.6 mil) Fable 2(4 mil) Halo Wars(2.1 mil)

Hmm, way more variety and franchises in the Playstation front. Do more research Lem before talkiing out of your ass.

People are playing sales?

super600

That's all lemmings play. Lems sure love their numbers! :o

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

People are playing sales?

Carlton-Banks

You PS3 fans just don't get it do you?? The Generation is ending. Sony lost 70% market share and just posted a 2 billion dollar loss in their gaming division. On the flip side not only did Microsoft gain market share this generation, it outsold the PS3 last year and has increased the gap to 4 million now. And on another humiliating note, Xbox revenues in the last quarter were bigger than the Playstation family revenues. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642&page=4 The entire Playstation line………

Which company do you feel is going to be in better shape next year to launch a new console and have new IP's as well as mutliplates?? You think Sony can continue to create "new IP's" with its business bleeding like this?? You keep cheering Sony's exclusives...you need to go buy them instead to help them out.

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PS3 has more high selling franchises, don't know what your'e getting at.You're just another typical 360 fanboy thinking on 360 games sell.PS3 exclusives that sold over 2 million all include Little Big Planet (4.8 mil) LBP2(2.5 mil) Killzone 2 (2.8 mil) KZ3(2.1 mil) MGS4(5.5 mil) GT5(8.0 mil) GT5P(4 mil) Uncharted (4.12 mil) Uncharted 2 (5.44 mil) Uncharted 3(3.5 mil to date) GOW3 (4.4 mil) Resistance (4 mil) Resistance 2 (2.2 mil) Motorstorm (3.7 mil) Ratchet and Clank TOD(2.34 mil) Infamous (2.1 mil) Heavy Rain(2 mil)

Top selling 360 exclusives2 mil and overinclude Halo 3(11.4 mil) Halo Reach (8.8 mil) Gears 2(6.1 mil) Halo ODST(6 mil) GeOW(5.9 mil) Gears 3(5.2 mil) Forza 3(5 mil) Fable 3 (4.6 mil) Fable 2(4 mil) Halo Wars(2.1 mil)

Hmm, way more variety and franchises in the Playstation front. Do more research Lem before talkiing out of your ass.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"] Just because they lost $2 billion doesn't mean they are doomed. I assure you their assets are in the region of the tens of billions of $.themajormayor

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

People are playing sales?

Carlton-Banks

You PS3 fans just don't get it do you?? The Generation is ending. Sony lost 70% market share and just posted a 2 billion dollar loss in their gaming division. On the flip side not only did Microsoft gain market share this generation, it outsold the PS3 last year and has increased the gap to 4 million now. And on another humiliating note, Xbox revenues in the last quarter were bigger than the Playstation family revenues. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642&page=4 The entire Playstation line………

Which company do you feel is going to be in better shape next year to launch a new console and have new IP's as well as mutliplates?? You think Sony can continue to create "new IP's" with its business bleeding like this?? You keep cheering Sony's exclusives...you need to go buy them instead to help them out.

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PS3 has more high selling franchises, don't know what your'e getting at.You're just another typical 360 fanboy thinking on 360 games sell.PS3 exclusives that sold over 2 million all include Little Big Planet (4.8 mil) LBP2(2.5 mil) Killzone 2 (2.8 mil) KZ3(2.1 mil) MGS4(5.5 mil) GT5(8.0 mil) GT5P(4 mil) Uncharted (4.12 mil) Uncharted 2 (5.44 mil) Uncharted 3(3.5 mil to date) GOW3 (4.4 mil) Resistance (4 mil) Resistance 2 (2.2 mil) Motorstorm (3.7 mil) Ratchet and Clank TOD(2.34 mil) Infamous (2.1 mil) Heavy Rain(2 mil)

Top selling 360 exclusives2 mil and overinclude Halo 3(11.4 mil) Halo Reach (8.8 mil) Gears 2(6.1 mil) Halo ODST(6 mil) GeOW(5.9 mil) Gears 3(5.2 mil) Forza 3(5 mil) Fable 3 (4.6 mil) Fable 2(4 mil) Halo Wars(2.1 mil)

Hmm, way more variety and franchises in the Playstation front. Do more researc Lem before talkiing out of your ass.

Top 360

You know whats really funny about your post?? The fact that you actually think you made some type of point and told me off.....hallarious. Dude did you even read what I posted or did you get caught up in your own rehtoric about individual game sales??? You PS3 fans and your lists. Here is a sobering pill for you to swallow. Even with all the games you posted, and all the sales those games did, Sony still posted a 2 billion dollar loss last year, they still got outsold worldwide in 2011, the 360's gaming revenues still outsold the entire playstation family's gaming revenues last year, and the 360 still increased its lead to 4 million last year. I'm not sure whatresearch you are talking about, but my info is coming from Sony's own report released today and arguing about individual game sales has absolutly nothing to do with my previous post or anyone else's post for that matter. Perhaps its youwho needs to learn to"read" before you talk out of your ass. Clown

The backtracking and damage control in this thread is hilarious!!! :lol:

"haha your figures are wrong, PS3 is teh winnar!!!! IN YOUR FACE" "Sales don't matter"

"I don't care about this but i've posted a bunch in the thread!"

"You can't play sales!" :cry:

Pretty much sums how this thread went for cows

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"] What makes you so sure that these 2 billion dollars they posted as loss, weren't due to their R&D for the PS4(and/or other stuff in that particular division) for example? Just curious :) Desmonic

It could very well includethe R&D of the PS4, but posting a loss of that magnitude at the beginning of a new generation is a very bad sign. Not only that, but if you factor in the R&D cost for the Vita as well as the abysmal sales and overall state of the Vita, the picture is getting even more scary for them. Surely Microsoft has R&D costs for the 720 as well, and even with that going on, its current business model still has them with record high revenues across their game division. This is not a doom and gloom thing, but it has to be disconcerting for them at this point.

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True but remember that the Vita still has to launch here in the West. So we'll have to see how that goes. You also have to remember that MS as a company has a lot more money to invest in R&D for their products. 2 years ago I read in a presentation done by MS themselves (about work possibilities for young people/how business works) that they had 4.7 billion dollars to invest in R&D for new software alone.

So they may be investing heavily in R&D and not having actual losses. (of course this all speculation on my part mind you)

As for Sony, yeah they are having a bad time right now.. but they know how much money they can make on gaming ( thank to PS1 and PS2 and maybe even PSP) so unless they really need to I don't see them hoping out.

And it it ever gets that bad, the Japanese Government will bail them out. They won't just die (like some idiots are praying to happen). Whether or not they'll continue in gaming after that specific scenario is another matter..

Agreed. Good post

The backtracking and damage control in this thread is hilarious!!! :lol:

"haha your figures are wrong, PS3 is teh winnar!!!! IN YOUR FACE" "Sales don't matter"

"I don't care about this but i've posted a bunch in the thread!"

"You can't play sales!" :cry:

Pretty much sums how this thread went for cows

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]To all those saying the gaming division is turning a profit (which I see posted continuously on here) are you so sure? "The loss includes a $1.09 billion loss by the company's Consumer Products and Services division, of which PlayStation is a part." http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115638-Sony-Takes-Massive-2-Billion-Third-Quarter-Loss What say you now?PraetorianMan

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

The backtracking and damage control in this thread is hilarious!!! :lol:

"haha your figures are wrong, PS3 is teh winnar!!!! IN YOUR FACE" "Sales don't matter"

"I don't care about this but i've posted a bunch in the thread!"

"You can't play sales!" :cry:

Pretty much sums how this thread went for cows

delta3074

Carlton Banks :lol:

Can't say that Microsoft don't deserve to come second though, that made all the right decisions in the crucial areas.

Okay? They both sold around the same? Both 14 Million, but "ooh teh 360 sold slightly more than PS3, Sony is doomed"!

It's pretty sad when sales are the only thing you got to brag about. And according to VG Chartz PS3 sold more, check your link kid.

[QUOTE="PraetorianMan"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]To all those saying the gaming division is turning a profit (which I see posted continuously on here) are you so sure? "The loss includes a $1.09 billion loss by the company's Consumer Products and Services division, of which PlayStation is a part." http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115638-Sony-Takes-Massive-2-Billion-Third-Quarter-Loss What say you now?blue_hazy_basic

Okay? They both sold around the same? Both 14 Million, but "ooh teh 360 sold slightly more than PS3, Sony is doomed"!

It's pretty sad when sales are the only thing you got to brag about. And according to VG Chartz PS3 sold more, check your link kid.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Carlton-Banks"]

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

You PS3 fans just don't get it do you?? The Generation is ending. Sony lost 70% market share and just posted a 2 billion dollar loss in their gaming division. On the flip side not only did Microsoft gain market share this generation, it outsold the PS3 last year and has increased the gap to 4 million now. And on another humiliating note, Xbox revenues in the last quarter were bigger than the Playstation family revenues. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642&page=4 The entire Playstation line………

Which company do you feel is going to be in better shape next year to launch a new console and have new IP's as well as mutliplates?? You think Sony can continue to create "new IP's" with its business bleeding like this?? You keep cheering Sony's exclusives...you need to go buy them instead to help them out.

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delta3074

PS3 has more high selling franchises, don't know what your'e getting at.You're just another typical 360 fanboy thinking on 360 games sell.PS3 exclusives that sold over 2 million all include Little Big Planet (4.8 mil) LBP2(2.5 mil) Killzone 2 (2.8 mil) KZ3(2.1 mil) MGS4(5.5 mil) GT5(8.0 mil) GT5P(4 mil) Uncharted (4.12 mil) Uncharted 2 (5.44 mil) Uncharted 3(3.5 mil to date) GOW3 (4.4 mil) Resistance (4 mil) Resistance 2 (2.2 mil) Motorstorm (3.7 mil) Ratchet and Clank TOD(2.34 mil) Infamous (2.1 mil) Heavy Rain(2 mil)

Top selling 360 exclusives2 mil and overinclude Halo 3(11.4 mil) Halo Reach (8.8 mil) Gears 2(6.1 mil) Halo ODST(6 mil) GeOW(5.9 mil) Gears 3(5.2 mil) Forza 3(5 mil) Fable 3 (4.6 mil) Fable 2(4 mil) Halo Wars(2.1 mil)

Hmm, way more variety and franchises in the Playstation front. Do more research Lem before talkiing out of your ass.

If you only play games that are 5 mil plus, you would have a very small library. My point still stands, PS3 has a higher number of big sellers. Nothing sells great on 360 besides Halo. Gears sales are in the same boat as Uncharted.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="PraetorianMan"] that division also includes their miserable fail TV, cellphone and laptop branches. Its actually rather likely that SCE is still running a profit and their other electronics completely blow it and then some. Heil68

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Okay? They both sold around the same? Both 14 Million, but "ooh teh 360 sold slightly more than PS3, Sony is doomed"!

It's pretty sad when sales are the only thing you got to brag about. And according to VG Chartz PS3 sold more, check your link kid.

delta3074

Yay 360 finally outsold the worldwide PS3 for a year. Kudos to Microsoft and Kinect, good job. Sony start advertising with Soccer Moms and McDonalds. Also put more effort into advertising and casual games for Move asap. As unfortunate as it is that is the way to get the best amount of sales.FlamesOfGrey

Ouch. Ouch. That's some hurting right there.

Okay? They both sold around the same? Both 14 Million, but "ooh teh 360 sold slightly more than PS3, Sony is doomed"!

It's pretty sad when sales are the only thing you got to brag about. And according to VG Chartz PS3 sold more, check your link kid.

ShadowMoses900

First of all the 360 outsold the PS3 in 2011 by .8 units, but thats not the point here. The pointis that the 360 has actually increased the lead...this late in the generation. Remember last year Sony shrunk the lead down to 2.1 million??? http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/02/ps3-catching-up-with-xbox-360-shipments-worldwide/ Now the lead has gone back up to 4 million ,xbox 66, PS3 62http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642 . So nobody is saying they are doomed but the def ain't the Sony they used to be. And VG chartz is nonsense. At this point Sony and Micro have publically released all their 2011 financials, no need for a "speculative" site

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Can you provide some proof? I see it quoted as fact all the time.blue_hazy_basic

Whether you want to admit it or not, Sony has a great track record of delivering contents its fans want. I agree with him.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Okay? They both sold around the same? Both 14 Million, but "ooh teh 360 sold slightly more than PS3, Sony is doomed"!

It's pretty sad when sales are the only thing you got to brag about. And according to VG Chartz PS3 sold more, check your link kid.

kbanna

First of all the 360 outsold the PS3 in 2011 by .8 units, but thats not the point here. The pointis that the 360 has actually increased the lead...this late in the generation. Remember last year Sony shrunk the lead down to 2.1 million??? http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/02/ps3-catching-up-with-xbox-360-shipments-worldwide/ Now the lead has gone back up to 4 million ,xbox 66, PS3 62http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642 . So nobody is saying they are doomed but the def ain't the Sony they used to be. And VG chartz is nonsense. At this point Sony and Micro have publically released all their 2011 financials, no need for a "speculative" site

By .8 mil units, amazing. Does that mean we get more quality games made by good ol MS?:o

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Carlton-Banks"]

PS3 has more high selling franchises, don't know what your'e getting at.You're just another typical 360 fanboy thinking on 360 games sell.PS3 exclusives that sold over 2 million all include Little Big Planet (4.8 mil) LBP2(2.5 mil) Killzone 2 (2.8 mil) KZ3(2.1 mil) MGS4(5.5 mil) GT5(8.0 mil) GT5P(4 mil) Uncharted (4.12 mil) Uncharted 2 (5.44 mil) Uncharted 3(3.5 mil to date) GOW3 (4.4 mil) Resistance (4 mil) Resistance 2 (2.2 mil) Motorstorm (3.7 mil) Ratchet and Clank TOD(2.34 mil) Infamous (2.1 mil) Heavy Rain(2 mil)

Top selling 360 exclusives2 mil and overinclude Halo 3(11.4 mil) Halo Reach (8.8 mil) Gears 2(6.1 mil) Halo ODST(6 mil) GeOW(5.9 mil) Gears 3(5.2 mil) Forza 3(5 mil) Fable 3 (4.6 mil) Fable 2(4 mil) Halo Wars(2.1 mil)

Hmm, way more variety and franchises in the Playstation front. Do more research Lem before talkiing out of your ass.

Carlton-Banks

If you only play games that are 5 mil plus, you would have a very small library. My point still stands, PS3 has a higher number of big sellers. Nothing sells great on 360 besides Halo. Gears sales are in the same boat as Uncharted.

[QUOTE="Carlton-Banks"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]now do that for 5 million plus and check out the difference,lol Also, the myth that the Ps3 has more variety was debunked by stevo ages ago,try again matedelta3074

If you only play games that are 5 mil plus, you would have a very small library. My point still stands, PS3 has a higher number of big sellers. Nothing sells great on 360 besides Halo. Gears sales are in the same boat as Uncharted.

Both are doing well so it doesn't really matter at this point. I wouldn't be applauding MS though unless you want others to take to their business model of doing the bare minimum.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Okay? They both sold around the same? Both 14 Million, but "ooh teh 360 sold slightly more than PS3, Sony is doomed"!

It's pretty sad when sales are the only thing you got to brag about. And according to VG Chartz PS3 sold more, check your link kid.

PraetorianMan

[QUOTE="PraetorianMan"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]To all those saying the gaming division is turning a profit (which I see posted continuously on here) are you so sure? "The loss includes a $1.09 billion loss by the company's Consumer Products and Services division, of which PlayStation is a part." http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115638-Sony-Takes-Massive-2-Billion-Third-Quarter-Loss What say you now?blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Okay? They both sold around the same? Both 14 Million, but "ooh teh 360 sold slightly more than PS3, Sony is doomed"!

It's pretty sad when sales are the only thing you got to brag about. And according to VG Chartz PS3 sold more, check your link kid.

delta3074

MS is in the crapper

They lost a bunch of money on Zune and it bombed

They put so much money into GFWL only to have it blow up in their face when they tried to screw PC gamers and still are losing money off of it (how do you lose money off of something that's free? )

The RROD fiasco cost them millions

MS closed down and sold off many studios because their game division couldn't afford to keep them

They lost more money going with outdated DVD and not going with Blu Ray, which also cost them games being made on their system

Windows Vista cost them millions of dollars and it burned, Windows 8 looks the same

Only thing that is profitable for MS is:

Halo

outsourcing to India

Timed DLC

XBL and other online rip offs

Ditching your origional fanbase for Kinect

and sometimes PC software

That's it really. See Delta you can make any company look like it's going under, doesn't mean they are though. I know you love to do it with Sony because your upset that they give their fans games to play, but you should zip up your fanboy or let it out. Sony isn't going anywhere, and they will be fine and continue to make good games and good products, sorry if that makes you jealous, but get over it. Not my fault you chose to buy a 360.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Okay? They both sold around the same? Both 14 Million, but "ooh teh 360 sold slightly more than PS3, Sony is doomed"!

It's pretty sad when sales are the only thing you got to brag about. And according to VG Chartz PS3 sold more, check your link kid.

kbanna

First of all the 360 outsold the PS3 in 2011 by .8 units, but thats not the point here. The pointis that the 360 has actually increased the lead...this late in the generation. Remember last year Sony shrunk the lead down to 2.1 million??? http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/02/ps3-catching-up-with-xbox-360-shipments-worldwide/ Now the lead has gone back up to 4 million ,xbox 66, PS3 62http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642 . So nobody is saying they are doomed but the def ain't the Sony they used to be. And VG chartz is nonsense. At this point Sony and Micro have publically released all their 2011 financials, no need for a "speculative" site

As if that wasn't obvious enough, he ignores those facts. PS3 is supposed to be in its prime right now, according to cows. Why is a 'dead' 360 outselling it still?

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Okay? They both sold around the same? Both 14 Million, but "ooh teh 360 sold slightly more than PS3, Sony is doomed"!

It's pretty sad when sales are the only thing you got to brag about. And according to VG Chartz PS3 sold more, check your link kid.

Carlton-Banks

First of all the 360 outsold the PS3 in 2011 by .8 units, but thats not the point here. The pointis that the 360 has actually increased the lead...this late in the generation. Remember last year Sony shrunk the lead down to 2.1 million??? http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/02/ps3-catching-up-with-xbox-360-shipments-worldwide/ Now the lead has gone back up to 4 million ,xbox 66, PS3 62http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642 . So nobody is saying they are doomed but the def ain't the Sony they used to be. And VG chartz is nonsense. At this point Sony and Micro have publically released all their 2011 financials, no need for a "speculative" site

By .8 mil units, amazing. Does that mean we get more quality games made by good ol MS?:o

I'm sorry did I say Sony posted a 2billion loss?? I stand corrected it was 2.9 billion. Hope they can keep making your mediocre exclusives at this rate. BTW I love my xbox library so your barking up the wrong tree over here chief.

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Okay? They both sold around the same? Both 14 Million, but "ooh teh 360 sold slightly more than PS3, Sony is doomed"!

It's pretty sad when sales are the only thing you got to brag about. And according to VG Chartz PS3 sold more, check your link kid.

PillyChickle

First of all the 360 outsold the PS3 in 2011 by .8 units, but thats not the point here. The pointis that the 360 has actually increased the lead...this late in the generation. Remember last year Sony shrunk the lead down to 2.1 million??? http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/02/ps3-catching-up-with-xbox-360-shipments-worldwide/ Now the lead has gone back up to 4 million ,xbox 66, PS3 62http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642 . So nobody is saying they are doomed but the def ain't the Sony they used to be. And VG chartz is nonsense. At this point Sony and Micro have publically released all their 2011 financials, no need for a "speculative" site

As if that wasn't obvious enough, he ignores those facts. PS3 is supposed to be in its prime right now, according to cows. Why is a 'dead' 360 outselling it still?

Because 360 is so much better, with teh better graphics, more exclusives,Its awesome paying to get online, free online is for suckers,and um more exclusives? Or maybe Kinect has something to do with it?

[QUOTE="Carlton-Banks"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]now do that for 5 million plus and check out the difference,lol Also, the myth that the Ps3 has more variety was debunked by stevo ages ago,try again matedelta3074

If you only play games that are 5 mil plus, you would have a very small library. My point still stands, PS3 has a higher number of big sellers. Nothing sells great on 360 besides Halo. Gears sales are in the same boat as Uncharted.

Exactly. He shows up in a sales thread....talking about the number of PS3 exclusives. Which Ironically....is not helping the PS3 sell.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="PraetorianMan"] that division also includes their miserable fail TV, cellphone and laptop branches. Its actually rather likely that SCE is still running a profit and their other electronics completely blow it and then some. PraetorianMan

[QUOTE="PillyChickle"]

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

First of all the 360 outsold the PS3 in 2011 by .8 units, but thats not the point here. The pointis that the 360 has actually increased the lead...this late in the generation. Remember last year Sony shrunk the lead down to 2.1 million??? http://www.joystiq.com/2011/11/02/ps3-catching-up-with-xbox-360-shipments-worldwide/ Now the lead has gone back up to 4 million ,xbox 66, PS3 62http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461642 . So nobody is saying they are doomed but the def ain't the Sony they used to be. And VG chartz is nonsense. At this point Sony and Micro have publically released all their 2011 financials, no need for a "speculative" site

Carlton-Banks

As if that wasn't obvious enough, he ignores those facts. PS3 is supposed to be in its prime right now, according to cows. Why is a 'dead' 360 outselling it still?

Because 360 is so much better, with teh better graphics, more exclusives,Its awesome paying to get online, free online is for suckers,and um more exclusives?

I disagree. The 360 is dead and buried, the PS3 has the momentum, it's only just got into its stride. Second place will be Sony's for the taking. Muhahahaha.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Carlton-Banks"]

If you only play games that are 5 mil plus, you would have a very small library. My point still stands, PS3 has a higher number of big sellers. Nothing sells great on 360 besides Halo. Gears sales are in the same boat as Uncharted.

kbanna

Exactly. He shows up in a sales thread....talking about the number of PS3 exclusives. Which Ironically....is not helping the PS3 sell.

Haha, get over yourself. PS3 and 360 sold just about the same. If the .8 mil extra makes you enjoy your console more than new IPs and hardcore exclusives than you're a fool. By your logic, Kinect isn't helping 360 sell since it could barely outsell a console with no casual gimmicks.