Official BIOSHOCK Discussion Thread (Volume 2) - 3 day suspension for ignoring

This place is going to be littered with threads after the review is posted.TrueReligion_

Yes, despite there is a sticky up already, like usual.

I thought the demo was fantastic. It's not as scary as System Shock 2 (I'm comparing the first 30 minutes of gameplay of both), but it's still downright creepy. Reminds me of the psychological scares I give people at Spookers.

I was reading IGN's review, and I thought that for the most part it was a good review, except the closing comments. They went all fanboyish. They took Roger Ebert and Hideo Kojima's thoughts out of context. What they both believe is that video games can never reach the artistic level of film and literature -- they never saidgames couldn't be artistic.

" There is a structural reason for that: Video games by their nature require player choices, which is the opposite of the strategy of serious film and literature, which requires authorial control. "

"I am prepared to believe that video games can be elegant, subtle, sophisticated, challenging and visually wonderful. But I believe the nature of the medium prevents it from moving beyond craftsmanship to the stature of art. To my knowledge, no one in or out of the field has ever been able to cite a game worthy of comparison with the great dramatists, poets, filmmakers, novelists and composers. That a game can aspire to artistic importance as a visual experience, I accept. But for most gamers, video games represent a loss of those precious hours we have available to make ourselves more cultured, civilized and empathetic. "

I think Ebert is somewhat right. Personally, I think games can be artistic, but only to a certain extent. They're very much in the same league as those Goosebumps "Choose Your Own Scare" type books. They're just as fun, not as tightly woven.

In any case, I think Bioshock is going to own. And yes, I do think it's artistically wonderful.

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]This place is going to be littered with threads after the review is posted.DA_B0MB

Yes, despite there is a sticky up already, like usual.

Yeah, nobody is going to pay attention to that.

Well whoever posts any topics about the review on this board. They get a 3 day suspension (1 day suspension if you post in the thread). My prediction is a 9.5. But I was not liking how Jeff was talking about the game on On the Spot. He sounded as if he was going to give it a 6?!?!?!Halo2_Norad

What were his main issues? Did he say?

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]24 hours until the GOTY releases! Rejoice Bioshock fans, rejoice! :DTrueReligion_

All hail the mighty Bioshock. Fanboys am cry.

hey, do you guys think EB might release it at midnight tomm.? Or do you know if they are?

Well whoever posts any topics about the review on this board. They get a 3 day suspension (1 day suspension if you post in the thread). My prediction is a 9.5. But I was not liking how Jeff was talking about the game on On the Spot. He sounded as if he was going to give it a 6?!?!?!Halo2_Norad

But Jeff gave it a thumb up!

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]24 hours until the GOTY releases! Rejoice Bioshock fans, rejoice! :DMikeE21286

All hail the mighty Bioshock. Fanboys am cry.

hey, do you guys think EB might release it at midnight tomm.? Or do you know if they are?

I read over on the IGN boards that they weren't. Not enough preorders, although preorders have skyrocketed since the release of the 360 demo. I already have the PC version. Just waiting on 2K to let me use it which is pathetic in its own right.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]24 hours until the GOTY releases! Rejoice Bioshock fans, rejoice! :Deastside49er

All hail the mighty Bioshock. Fanboys am cry.

hey, do you guys think EB might release it at midnight tomm.? Or do you know if they are?

I read over on the IGN boards that they weren't. Not enough preorders, although preorders have skyrocketed since the release of the 360 demo. I already have the PC version. Just waiting on 2K to let me use it which is pathetic in its own right.

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]24 hours until the GOTY releases! Rejoice Bioshock fans, rejoice! :DMikeE21286

All hail the mighty Bioshock. Fanboys am cry.

hey, do you guys think EB might release it at midnight tomm.? Or do you know if they are?

Not all Gamestop/EBs are releasing it at midnight. I asked the manager at my local Gamestop, and she said they weren't going to have one.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]24 hours until the GOTY releases! Rejoice Bioshock fans, rejoice! :Deastside49er

All hail the mighty Bioshock. Fanboys am cry.

hey, do you guys think EB might release it at midnight tomm.? Or do you know if they are?

I read over on the IGN boards that they weren't. Not enough preorders, although preorders have skyrocketed since the release of the 360 demo. I already have the PC version. Just waiting on 2K to let me use it which is pathetic in its own right.

:( Bummer. Maybe I can persuade the guy at EB to give me my PC LE copy.

Yeah, tell me about it with having the game early.....I could have picked it up yesterday at Circuit City....but then I realized (thanks to some of the posters on here that I would ) Why bother because of that silly 1 time internet activation.

OMG 666th post. I'm so unlucky...Halo2_Norad

Your copy of Bioshock won't come for another week now. Sorry bud.

[QUOTE="Halo2_Norad"]OMG 666th post. I'm so unlucky...FrozenLiquid

Your copy of Bioshock won't come for another week now. Sorry bud.

OH NOESSSSSSS!!!! LOL

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="Halo2_Norad"]OMG 666th post. I'm so unlucky...Halo2_Norad

Your copy of Bioshock won't come for another week now. Sorry bud.

OH NOESSSSSSS!!!! LOL

Its a possibility that your local stores around your mile radius that was supposed to recieve some copies of Bioshock instead recieved either..

or

[QUOTE="Halo2_Norad"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="Halo2_Norad"]OMG 666th post. I'm so unlucky...Zero_Fate_

Your copy of Bioshock won't come for another week now. Sorry bud.

OH NOESSSSSSS!!!! LOL

Its a possibility that your local stores around your mile radius that was supposed to recieve some copies of Bioshock instead recieved either..

or

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! MY EYES!!!!! Dude thats harsh. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.

Then again. Take THAT:

[QUOTE="Zero_Fate_"][QUOTE="Halo2_Norad"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="Halo2_Norad"]OMG 666th post. I'm so unlucky...Halo2_Norad

Your copy of Bioshock won't come for another week now. Sorry bud.

OH NOESSSSSSS!!!! LOL

Its a possibility that your local stores around your mile radius that was supposed to recieve some copies of Bioshock instead recieved either..

or

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! MY EYES!!!!! Dude thats harsh. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.

Then again. Take THAT:

Too bad i already pre-installed Bioshock in my computer and got a queue for my 360 copy. If Steam fails or my PC explodes then I can wait for the 360, if my 360 gets RrOD'ed then ill play Bioshock from my PC. Nothing and I mean NOTHING is going to stop me from playing Bioshock.

BioShock PC/360 indirect graphics comparison.

http://ui05.gamespot.com/900/bioshockpc360.jpg
http://ui13.gamespot.com/876/bioshockpc3602.jpg
http://ui29.gamespot.com/1884/bioshockpc3603.jpg
http://ui20.gamespot.com/1523/bioshockpc3604.jpg

Image gallery here:
http://www.gamespot.com/users/Einhanderkiller/images

why must Bioshock have such a cheap respawn system? I am going to love the game, but knowing that even if I die, my progress does not get deleted just cheapens the gameplay. I mean, how will Big Daddies be any challenge? Even if it kills you, you just respawn in real-time, wittle down the Big Daddy's health some more, and if it kills you again, you come back and wear it down some more. You repeatthis process until it dies. Isn't that what the Vita Chamber entails? I hope Iam mistaken on this.The overall gamplay could have been tweaked to accomodate checkpoints in the open levels. Even on Hard difficulty, it won't be much of a satisfying challenge.Mordred19

The lack of ability to die also pisses me off a bit as well, but there must be some consequence of some sort to accomodate it. Maybe a large amount of adam is deducted? Perhaps there's a cool unlockable for beating the game on hard without a single death? There's got to be some reason to live or I'll be upset.

The only other thing that I am slightly pissed about is plasmid tonic choices not being permanent. Makes the character a bit too flexible IMO but it's better than having them all at once.

whatever happend to "jeff said itd be up by 7am" someones a moronApocalypseXIVV

Who mentioned it and what zone do you go by?

[QUOTE="ApocalypseXIVV"]whatever happend to "jeff said itd be up by 7am" someones a moronTechnoweirdo

Who mentioned it and what zone do you go by?

some were on here saying midnight while others said 7 in the bioshock foorums...im eastern time so i kno i got a little, but i just wanna sseee the damn review

BioShock PC/360 indirect graphics comparison.

http://ui05.gamespot.com/900/bioshockpc360.jpg
http://ui13.gamespot.com/876/bioshockpc3602.jpg
http://ui29.gamespot.com/1884/bioshockpc3603.jpg
http://ui20.gamespot.com/1523/bioshockpc3604.jpg

Image gallery here:
http://www.gamespot.com/users/Einhanderkiller/images

Einhanderkiller

Haha, on Bioshock's metacritic page (which is similar to gamerankings), a review was added from Game Chronicles, and the blurb from it reads:

100 Game Chronicles
Holy sh.. [Further quotation forthcoming]

"Further quotation forthcoming" :lol:

Also check out their "full review".

[QUOTE="Einhanderkiller"]

BioShock PC/360 indirect graphics comparison.

http://ui05.gamespot.com/900/bioshockpc360.jpg
http://ui13.gamespot.com/876/bioshockpc3602.jpg
http://ui29.gamespot.com/1884/bioshockpc3603.jpg
http://ui20.gamespot.com/1523/bioshockpc3604.jpg

Image gallery here:
http://www.gamespot.com/users/Einhanderkiller/images

apolloluke

360 version seems to have some sort of a soft filter, PC version looks a bit clearer. But both look great.

BioShock PC/360 indirect graphics comparison.

http://ui05.gamespot.com/900/bioshockpc360.jpg
http://ui13.gamespot.com/876/bioshockpc3602.jpg
http://ui29.gamespot.com/1884/bioshockpc3603.jpg
http://ui20.gamespot.com/1523/bioshockpc3604.jpg

Image gallery here:
http://www.gamespot.com/users/Einhanderkiller/images

Einhanderkiller

]Nice, the difference is noticeable, but not that big. Maybe I will notice a bigger difference when I play the game tomorrow.smokeydabear076

We'll see about minimal when I get to play it. I will have it running @ 1920x1080p 8-16xAA and 16xAF with everything maxed in DX10. I am sure that it will look significantly better.MadExponent

Well you are wrong, it does not look much better at all, they actually look pretty much the same. But have fun anyway imagining you're playing a far superior game, whatever helps you sleep at night. Just so you know the 360 version is actually the lead version,Ken Levine's team did the 360 version. It's the lead platform.2K Australia done the PC version.

Garrnet Lee on 1upyours even said this last Friday

"It's a lead 360 game. I'm sorry PC gamers. This game is a 360 game."

But like I said, have fun imagining your game is far better than the 360 game.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]We'll see about minimal when I get to play it. I will have it running @ 1920x1080p 8-16xAA and 16xAF with everything maxed in DX10. I am sure that it will look significantly better.NickyJo

Well you are wrong, it does not look much better at all, they actually look pretty much the same. But have fun anyway imagining you're playing a far superior game, whatever helps you sleep at night. Just so you know the 360 version is actually the lead version,Ken Levine's team did the 360 version. It's the lead platform.2K Australia done the PC version.

Garrnet Lee on 1upyours even said this last Friday

"It's a lead 360 game. I'm sorry PC gamers. This game is a 360 game."

But like I said, have fun imagining your game is far better than the 360 game.

funny...since IGN said the PC version was better....in both graphics and controls.

someone made DX9 vs DX10 water comparison screenshots. The difference isn't very big.

DX9 top screen, DX10 bottom

Anyway just enjoy the game on whatever platform you own, stop this "my MS system is better than your MS system", it's pathetic.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]We'll see about minimal when I get to play it. I will have it running @ 1920x1080p 8-16xAA and 16xAF with everything maxed in DX10. I am sure that it will look significantly better.NickyJo

Well you are wrong, it does not look much better at all, they actually look pretty much the same. But have fun anyway imagining you're playing a far superior game, whatever helps you sleep at night. Just so you know the 360 version is actually the lead version,Ken Levine's team did the 360 version. It's the lead platform.2K Australia done the PC version.

Garrnet Lee on 1upyours even said this last Friday

"It's a lead 360 game. I'm sorry PC gamers. This game is a 360 game."

But like I said, have fun imagining your game is far better than the 360 game.

I know I will playing the superior version. Thats a given. I don't mind that the 360 is the lead platform, but that means nothing since the PC version will be the better version. I played the 360 version and it looked alright, but the controls are so clumsy that that alone forces me to get the PC version. I promise you though that when I get it up and running it will look ALOT cleaner than the 360 version. Textures will look better aliasing will look a TON better, and I will have 100% control over my aim whereas with the 360 controller I can expect to work ALOT harder to get my kills. BTW all that fanboyish pride of yours cracks me up. Just to put a little salt in your wound I have to ask...are you looking forward to playing Crysis on your 360? No? Aw sorry I forgot...360 isn't even capable of running it. :( BTW as fun as I am sure Bioshock will be it won't be GOTY. That title belongs to Mass Effect or Crysis...

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]We'll see about minimal when I get to play it. I will have it running @ 1920x1080p 8-16xAA and 16xAF with everything maxed in DX10. I am sure that it will look significantly better.NickyJo

Well you are wrong, it does not look much better at all, they actually look pretty much the same. But have fun anyway imagining you're playing a far superior game, whatever helps you sleep at night. Just so you know the 360 version is actually the lead version,Ken Levine's team did the 360 version. It's the lead platform.2K Australia done the PC version.

Garrnet Lee on 1upyours even said this last Friday

"It's a lead 360 game. I'm sorry PC gamers. This game is a 360 game."

But like I said, have fun imagining your game is far better than the 360 game.

You do realise the reason why 360 is the lead platform for Bioshock is because Irrational Games or now 2K Boston and Australia were already familiar with creating games on the PC and wouldn't require as largea dev team as a platform they don't know about.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]]Nice, the difference is noticeable, but not that big. Maybe I will notice a bigger difference when I play the game tomorrow.musicalmac

I know I will playing the superior version. Thats a given. I don't mind that the 360 is the lead platform, but that means nothing since the PC version will be the better version. I played the 360 version and it looked alright, but the controls are so clumsy that that alone forces me to get the PC version. I promise you though that when I get it up and running it will look ALOT cleaner than the 360 version. Textures will look better aliasing will look a TON better, and I will have 100% control over my aim whereas with the 360 controller I can expect to work ALOT harder to get my kills. BTW all that fanboyish pride of yours cracks me up. Just to put a little salt in your wound I have to ask...are you looking forward to playing Crysis on your 360? No? Aw sorry I forgot...360 isn't even capable of running it. :( BTW as fun as I am sure Bioshock will be it won't be GOTY. That title belongs to Mass Effect or Crysis...

MadExponent

[QUOTE="NickyJo"]

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]We'll see about minimal when I get to play it. I will have it running @ 1920x1080p 8-16xAA and 16xAF with everything maxed in DX10. I am sure that it will look significantly better.MadExponent

Well you are wrong, it does not look much better at all, they actually look pretty much the same. But have fun anyway imagining you're playing a far superior game, whatever helps you sleep at night. Just so you know the 360 version is actually the lead version,Ken Levine's team did the 360 version. It's the lead platform.2K Australia done the PC version.

Garrnet Lee on 1upyours even said this last Friday

"It's a lead 360 game. I'm sorry PC gamers. This game is a 360 game."

But like I said, have fun imagining your game is far better than the 360 game.

I know I will playing the superior version. Thats a given. I don't mind that the 360 is the lead platform, but that means nothing since the PC version will be the better version. I played the 360 version and it looked alright, but the controls are so clumsy that that alone forces me to get the PC version. I promise you though that when I get it up and running it will look ALOT cleaner than the 360 version. Textures will look better aliasing will look a TON better, and I will have 100% control over my aim whereas with the 360 controller I can expect to work ALOT harder to get my kills. BTW all that fanboyish pride of yours cracks me up. Just to put a little salt in your wound I have to ask...are you looking forward to playing Crysis on your 360? No? Aw sorry I forgot...360 isn't even capable of running it. :( BTW as fun as I am sure Bioshock will be it won't be GOTY. That title belongs to Mass Effect or Crysis...

omg dude who cares. its the same friggin game. this is so pathetic. your delusional if you think it looks "ALOT" cleaner. theres barely much difference. just play the game and like it. enough with this petty crap.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"][QUOTE="NickyJo"]

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]We'll see about minimal when I get to play it. I will have it running @ 1920x1080p 8-16xAA and 16xAF with everything maxed in DX10. I am sure that it will look significantly better.h575309

Well you are wrong, it does not look much better at all, they actually look pretty much the same. But have fun anyway imagining you're playing a far superior game, whatever helps you sleep at night. Just so you know the 360 version is actually the lead version,Ken Levine's team did the 360 version. It's the lead platform.2K Australia done the PC version.

Garrnet Lee on 1upyours even said this last Friday

"It's a lead 360 game. I'm sorry PC gamers. This game is a 360 game."

But like I said, have fun imagining your game is far better than the 360 game.

I know I will playing the superior version. Thats a given. I don't mind that the 360 is the lead platform, but that means nothing since the PC version will be the better version. I played the 360 version and it looked alright, but the controls are so clumsy that that alone forces me to get the PC version. I promise you though that when I get it up and running it will look ALOT cleaner than the 360 version. Textures will look better aliasing will look a TON better, and I will have 100% control over my aim whereas with the 360 controller I can expect to work ALOT harder to get my kills. BTW all that fanboyish pride of yours cracks me up. Just to put a little salt in your wound I have to ask...are you looking forward to playing Crysis on your 360? No? Aw sorry I forgot...360 isn't even capable of running it. :( BTW as fun as I am sure Bioshock will be it won't be GOTY. That title belongs to Mass Effect or Crysis...

omg dude who cares. its the same friggin game. this is so pathetic. your delusional if you think it looks "ALOT" cleaner. theres barely much difference. just play the game and like it. enough with this petty crap.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

I know I will playing the superior version. Thats a given. I don't mind that the 360 is the lead platform, but that means nothing since the PC version will be the better version. I played the 360 version and it looked alright, but the controls are so clumsy that that alone forces me to get the PC version. I promise you though that when I get it up and running it will look ALOT cleaner than the 360 version. Textures will look better aliasing will look a TON better, and I will have 100% control over my aim whereas with the 360 controller I can expect to work ALOT harder to get my kills. BTW all that fanboyish pride of yours cracks me up. Just to put a little salt in your wound I have to ask...are you looking forward to playing Crysis on your 360? No? Aw sorry I forgot...360 isn't even capable of running it. :( BTW as fun as I am sure Bioshock will be it won't be GOTY. That title belongs to Mass Effect or Crysis...

musicalmac

Wish it were that simple don't ya? I own a nice expensive car as well. I must be compensating for something right? I am an extremely outgoing guy. I get plenty of girls and it only gets better when I show them my ride. Hell a few of them are actually impressed by my computer and 42" LCD I use on it. I have no problem in the "size" department so what could I possibly be compensating for? I guess all that needs to be said is this...PC will ALWAYS have the better version of ANY high profile multiplatform and you can take that to the bank. I see no reason why I should play this game on my 360 when I know I can play it on my PC and have better graphics and also better gameplay due to the easier control scheme.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

I know I will playing the superior version. Thats a given. I don't mind that the 360 is the lead platform, but that means nothing since the PC version will be the better version. I played the 360 version and it looked alright, but the controls are so clumsy that that alone forces me to get the PC version. I promise you though that when I get it up and running it will look ALOT cleaner than the 360 version. Textures will look better aliasing will look a TON better, and I will have 100% control over my aim whereas with the 360 controller I can expect to work ALOT harder to get my kills. BTW all that fanboyish pride of yours cracks me up. Just to put a little salt in your wound I have to ask...are you looking forward to playing Crysis on your 360? No? Aw sorry I forgot...360 isn't even capable of running it. :( BTW as fun as I am sure Bioshock will be it won't be GOTY. That title belongs to Mass Effect or Crysis...

MadExponent

Wish it were that simple don't ya? I own a nice expensive car as well. I must be compensating for something right? I am an extremely outgoing guy. I get plenty of girls and it only gets better when I show them my ride. Hell a few of them are actually impressed by my computer and 42" LCD I use on it. I have no problem in the "size" department so what could I possibly be compensating for? I guess all that needs to be said is this...PC will ALWAYS have the better version of ANY high profile multiplatform and you can take that to the bank. I see no reason why I should play this game on my 360 when I know I can play it on my PC and have better graphics and also better gameplay due to the easier control scheme.

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="MadExponent"][QUOTE="NickyJo"]

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]We'll see about minimal when I get to play it. I will have it running @ 1920x1080p 8-16xAA and 16xAF with everything maxed in DX10. I am sure that it will look significantly better.smokeydabear076

Well you are wrong, it does not look much better at all, they actually look pretty much the same. But have fun anyway imagining you're playing a far superior game, whatever helps you sleep at night. Just so you know the 360 version is actually the lead version,Ken Levine's team did the 360 version. It's the lead platform.2K Australia done the PC version.

Garrnet Lee on 1upyours even said this last Friday

"It's a lead 360 game. I'm sorry PC gamers. This game is a 360 game."

But like I said, have fun imagining your game is far better than the 360 game.

I know I will playing the superior version. Thats a given. I don't mind that the 360 is the lead platform, but that means nothing since the PC version will be the better version. I played the 360 version and it looked alright, but the controls are so clumsy that that alone forces me to get the PC version. I promise you though that when I get it up and running it will look ALOT cleaner than the 360 version. Textures will look better aliasing will look a TON better, and I will have 100% control over my aim whereas with the 360 controller I can expect to work ALOT harder to get my kills. BTW all that fanboyish pride of yours cracks me up. Just to put a little salt in your wound I have to ask...are you looking forward to playing Crysis on your 360? No? Aw sorry I forgot...360 isn't even capable of running it. :( BTW as fun as I am sure Bioshock will be it won't be GOTY. That title belongs to Mass Effect or Crysis...

omg dude who cares. its the same friggin game. this is so pathetic. your delusional if you think it looks "ALOT" cleaner. theres barely much difference. just play the game and like it. enough with this petty crap.

well ign gave it the same score so yes it is the same game. im sure if the games were different enough they would have given different scores but they didnt. ive seen the pictures, the pc barely looks any better for an already stellar looking game. stop trying to turn this into a war over a game both platforms can enjoy.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

I know I will playing the superior version. Thats a given. I don't mind that the 360 is the lead platform, but that means nothing since the PC version will be the better version. I played the 360 version and it looked alright, but the controls are so clumsy that that alone forces me to get the PC version. I promise you though that when I get it up and running it will look ALOT cleaner than the 360 version. Textures will look better aliasing will look a TON better, and I will have 100% control over my aim whereas with the 360 controller I can expect to work ALOT harder to get my kills. BTW all that fanboyish pride of yours cracks me up. Just to put a little salt in your wound I have to ask...are you looking forward to playing Crysis on your 360? No? Aw sorry I forgot...360 isn't even capable of running it. :( BTW as fun as I am sure Bioshock will be it won't be GOTY. That title belongs to Mass Effect or Crysis...

MadExponent

Wish it were that simple don't ya? I own a nice expensive car as well. I must be compensating for something right? I am an extremely outgoing guy. I get plenty of girls and it only gets better when I show them my ride. Hell a few of them are actually impressed by my computer and 42" LCD I use on it. I have no problem in the "size" department so what could I possibly be compensating for? I guess all that needs to be said is this...PC will ALWAYS have the better version of ANY high profile multiplatform and you can take that to the bank. I see no reason why I should play this game on my 360 when I know I can play it on my PC and have better graphics and also better gameplay due to the easier control scheme.

lol the fact that u just had to defend urself like that and talk about the girls u get and how they like ur ride proves that hes right about you

Also...even though I could gives two craps, but Halo 3 for PC once it comes out will ALSO be better than 360. Graphics will look nicer and controls will be much nicer.MadExponent

yet i will have already been playing it for at least a year. most likely two. im done with Gears and pc gamers are getting it now so yea, if you want year old games thats great. but ill play them now thanks.