Official BIOSHOCK Discussion Thread (Volume 2) - 3 day suspension for ignoring

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]I think it will get a 9.6-9.7 on 360 and a 9.4-9.5 on PC. 360 doesn't have a single FPS that competes with Bioshock so it will score very high.musicalmac

Well thats just what I think it will score. Do you think that Halo 3's score will be lower now that 360 has a killer FPS in its library?

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]You don't get annoyed by things you don't care about. I am not trying to piss anyone off all I am doing is stating a fact. Once again you demonstrate a lack of understanding for something called standards.D0013ER

So what do you want these guys to do? End every post they make in this thread with, "but the PC version is better"? Will that satisfy your desire to constantly remind everyone of your standards?

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]I think it will get a 9.6-9.7 on 360 and a 9.4-9.5 on PC. 360 doesn't have a single FPS that competes with Bioshock so it will score very high.MadExponent

Well thats just what I think it will score. Do you think that Halo 3's score will be lower now that 360 has a killer FPS in its library?

I think H3's MP will help its score, even though Bioshocks SP will almost certainly be better.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]I think it will get a 9.6-9.7 on 360 and a 9.4-9.5 on PC. 360 doesn't have a single FPS that competes with Bioshock so it will score very high.jetthrovegas

Well thats just what I think it will score. Do you think that Halo 3's score will be lower now that 360 has a killer FPS in its library?

I think H3's MP will help its score, even though Bioshocks SP will almost certainly be better.

Bioshock should define what SP is since it is only that.

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="h575309"]

already explained this before in an earlier post.

smokeydabear076

if you read my earlier post, you would know i didnt just say i dont care a bunch of times. the reason i care is because i have to read it and your just trying to piss off all the 360 owners who are going to buy the game on 360 like the post above me. im not even continuing to argue with you about this.

oh and if the game was stronger in important aspects the scores would be different but they are not.

im just tired of arguing it. you havent given reasons as to why ur pc version is so much superior other than the standards are higher on pc. and its not like im not admitting the pc version is better, im just saying its not THAT much better that your touting. its not like a madden 360/ps3 kind of thing going on here. it obviously wasnt different enough so that ign felt compelled to change the scores. thats my point.

I still can't believe some people don't know about the new review system on GS. Its only in .5 form now people! Why? So everyone can hate GS reviews a little bit more of course!

As for the PC/360 debate, I have both, my PC can run it awesome, but I want my achievements so sue me. There is a thing called preference. And GS, just get the darn review up already.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]I think it will get a 9.6-9.7 on 360 and a 9.4-9.5 on PC. 360 doesn't have a single FPS that competes with Bioshock so it will score very high.MadExponent

Well thats just what I think it will score. Do you think that Halo 3's score will be lower now that 360 has a killer FPS in its library?

the games are different. halo is more about MP than anything else. sure single player is cool but the MP is where the replayability comes in. halo 3 should still get a 9.5 or 9.0.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]I think it will get a 9.6-9.7 on 360 and a 9.4-9.5 on PC. 360 doesn't have a single FPS that competes with Bioshock so it will score very high.h575309

Well thats just what I think it will score. Do you think that Halo 3's score will be lower now that 360 has a killer FPS in its library?

the games are different. halo is more about MP than anything else. sure single player is cool but the MP is where the replayability comes in. halo 3 should still get a 9.5 or 9.0.

Shouldn't it rely more on SP, that's where the story and everything. Multiplayer is like a bonus imo.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]I think it will get a 9.6-9.7 on 360 and a 9.4-9.5 on PC. 360 doesn't have a single FPS that competes with Bioshock so it will score very high.MadExponent

Well thats just what I think it will score. Do you think that Halo 3's score will be lower now that 360 has a killer FPS in its library?

im just tired of arguing it. you havent given reasons as to why ur pc version is so much superior other than the standards are higher on pc. and its not like im not admitting the pc version is better, im just saying its not THAT much better that your touting. its not like a madden 360/ps3 kind of thing going on here. it obviously wasnt different enough so that ign felt compelled to change the scores. thats my point.

h575309

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]I think it will get a 9.6-9.7 on 360 and a 9.4-9.5 on PC. 360 doesn't have a single FPS that competes with Bioshock so it will score very high.MadExponent

Well thats just what I think it will score. Do you think that Halo 3's score will be lower now that 360 has a killer FPS in its library?

Bungie is putting everything into H3's campaign. So even if the single player is shorter it will be fulfilling.

In regards to Halo 3s score...don't know. The general consensus I take from reading over hands-on and such is that the gaming community likes Halo 3 for the most part.

RE: The Bioshock Review Thread.

Wow Casey, why even give users the ability to start threads of their own? Why don't you just start all the threads that you deem worthy of discussion & we'll all talk about what you want.

That thread is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

RickGotti

I agree.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]]Nice, the difference is noticeable, but not that big. Maybe I will notice a bigger difference when I play the game tomorrow.musicalmac

They had two teams working on each version. Neither is a port which is probably why each is turning out to be so great. There is really no difference in either version, unless you want to nit pick, ala, what I'm sure the fanboys will do.

[QUOTE="RickGotti"]

RE: The Bioshock Review Thread.

Wow Casey, why even give users the ability to start threads of their own? Why don't you just start all the threads that you deem worthy of discussion & we'll all talk about what you want.

That thread is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

eastside49er

I agree.

agreed!

Haha, on Bioshock's metacritic page (which is similar to gamerankings), a review was added from Game Chronicles, and the blurb from it reads:

100 Game Chronicles
Holy sh.. [Further quotation forthcoming]

"Further quotation forthcoming" :lol:

Also check out their "full review".

Zeliard9

:lol:

That was freaking hilarious.

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="MadExponent"][QUOTE="NickyJo"]

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]We'll see about minimal when I get to play it. I will have it running @ 1920x1080p 8-16xAA and 16xAF with everything maxed in DX10. I am sure that it will look significantly better.smokeydabear076

Well you are wrong, it does not look much better at all, they actually look pretty much the same. But have fun anyway imagining you're playing a far superior game, whatever helps you sleep at night. Just so you know the 360 version is actually the lead version,Ken Levine's team did the 360 version. It's the lead platform.2K Australia done the PC version.

Garrnet Lee on 1upyours even said this last Friday

"It's a lead 360 game. I'm sorry PC gamers. This game is a 360 game."

But like I said, have fun imagining your game is far better than the 360 game.

I know I will playing the superior version. Thats a given. I don't mind that the 360 is the lead platform, but that means nothing since the PC version will be the better version. I played the 360 version and it looked alright, but the controls are so clumsy that that alone forces me to get the PC version. I promise you though that when I get it up and running it will look ALOT cleaner than the 360 version. Textures will look better aliasing will look a TON better, and I will have 100% control over my aim whereas with the 360 controller I can expect to work ALOT harder to get my kills. BTW all that fanboyish pride of yours cracks me up. Just to put a little salt in your wound I have to ask...are you looking forward to playing Crysis on your 360? No? Aw sorry I forgot...360 isn't even capable of running it. :( BTW as fun as I am sure Bioshock will be it won't be GOTY. That title belongs to Mass Effect or Crysis...

omg dude who cares. its the same friggin game. this is so pathetic. your delusional if you think it looks "ALOT" cleaner. theres barely much difference. just play the game and like it. enough with this petty crap.

if the changes arent that amazing, then how is it not the same game? saying this implies the gameplay is different and that their is a significant difference if it is in fact "not the same game". a little bit better graphics and a different control scheme does not warrant the statement of "it is not the same game".

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]Also...even though I could gives two craps, but Halo 3 for PC once it comes out will ALSO be better than 360. Graphics will look nicer and controls will be much nicer.h575309

yet i will have already been playing it for at least a year. most likely two. im done with Gears and pc gamers are getting it now so yea, if you want year old games thats great. but ill play them now thanks.

That is the life of a hermit. Sloppy seconds through and through. Now if you are a multiconsole owner and still PC game, like me, then you get the best of both worlds. You get all of the exclusives and don't have to wait hand over fist for a game to come to your system, then proclaim it to be the best experience like a moron only would, even though it is 2 or 3 years old.

12mins to go and ill post screens/ benchies. ATi hotfix drivers will come before the game hits btw, so if you see problems with ati cards dont worry. dracolich666

Are they launching Nvidia drivers as well?

if the changes arent that amazing, then how is it not the same game? saying this implies the gameplay is different and that their is a significant difference if it is in fact "not the same game". a little bit better graphics and a different control scheme does not warrant the statement of "it is not the same game".

h575309

[QUOTE="ApocalypseXIVV"][QUOTE="MadExponent"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

I know I will playing the superior version. Thats a given. I don't mind that the 360 is the lead platform, but that means nothing since the PC version will be the better version. I played the 360 version and it looked alright, but the controls are so clumsy that that alone forces me to get the PC version. I promise you though that when I get it up and running it will look ALOT cleaner than the 360 version. Textures will look better aliasing will look a TON better, and I will have 100% control over my aim whereas with the 360 controller I can expect to work ALOT harder to get my kills. BTW all that fanboyish pride of yours cracks me up. Just to put a little salt in your wound I have to ask...are you looking forward to playing Crysis on your 360? No? Aw sorry I forgot...360 isn't even capable of running it. :( BTW as fun as I am sure Bioshock will be it won't be GOTY. That title belongs to Mass Effect or Crysis...

MadExponent

Wish it were that simple don't ya? I own a nice expensive car as well. I must be compensating for something right? I am an extremely outgoing guy. I get plenty of girls and it only gets better when I show them my ride. Hell a few of them are actually impressed by my computer and 42" LCD I use on it. I have no problem in the "size" department so what could I possibly be compensating for? I guess all that needs to be said is this...PC will ALWAYS have the better version of ANY high profile multiplatform and you can take that to the bank. I see no reason why I should play this game on my 360 when I know I can play it on my PC and have better graphics and also better gameplay due to the easier control scheme.

lol the fact that u just had to defend urself like that and talk about the girls u get and how they like ur ride proves that hes right about you

I had to clarify. And he is ALWAYS hounding me. I think he has a crush or something. I am pretty sure he trolls around looking for an opportunity to say somekind of crap to get me going.

But i just dont understand why u or anyone would care who has the better version...theyre both great games and instead of trying to prove how many girls u get or how nice ur car is, or who has the better version...cant we all just laugh at PS3 fanboys who get left out?

[QUOTE="h575309"]

if the changes arent that amazing, then how is it not the same game? saying this implies the gameplay is different and that their is a significant difference if it is in fact "not the same game". a little bit better graphics and a different control scheme does not warrant the statement of "it is not the same game".

smokeydabear076

lol alright good ill agree with you there. ive gotta build a new rig someday but i just dont have the money now that i bought a new tv. i know its not as expensive as a lot of people think but i basically need to get all new stuff as my pc is pretty old. my graphics card is a 9800 pro lol. runs half life 2 ok at least. id basically need a new motherboard, ram, processor, graphics card, monitor, casing,and vista so it wouldnt be cheap. hopefully next year.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="h575309"]

if the changes arent that amazing, then how is it not the same game? saying this implies the gameplay is different and that their is a significant difference if it is in fact "not the same game". a little bit better graphics and a different control scheme does not warrant the statement of "it is not the same game".

h575309

lol alright good ill agree with you there. ive gotta build a new rig someday but i just dont have the money now that i bought a new tv. i know its not as expensive as a lot of people think but i basically need to get all new stuff as my pc is pretty old. my graphics card is a 9800 pro lol. runs half life 2 ok at least. id basically need a new motherboard, ram, processor, graphics card, monitor, casing,and vista so it wouldnt be cheap. hopefully next year.

[QUOTE="dracolich666"]12mins to go and ill post screens/ benchies. ATi hotfix drivers will come before the game hits btw, so if you see problems with ati cards dont worry. eastside49er

Are they launching Nvidia drivers as well?

[QUOTE="h575309"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="h575309"]

if the changes arent that amazing, then how is it not the same game? saying this implies the gameplay is different and that their is a significant difference if it is in fact "not the same game". a little bit better graphics and a different control scheme does not warrant the statement of "it is not the same game".

smokeydabear076

lol alright good ill agree with you there. ive gotta build a new rig someday but i just dont have the money now that i bought a new tv. i know its not as expensive as a lot of people think but i basically need to get all new stuff as my pc is pretty old. my graphics card is a 9800 pro lol. runs half life 2 ok at least. id basically need a new motherboard, ram, processor, graphics card, monitor, casing,and vista so it wouldnt be cheap. hopefully next year.

gonna cost a pretty penny. hows vista for gaming anyway? my friend has vista on his laptop and it crashes alot. im assuming you have 4 gbs of ram in ur rig for vista?

so anyone here played the full game? if so, is it really that good?

[QUOTE="dracolich666"]12mins to go and ill post screens/ benchies. ATi hotfix drivers will come before the game hits btw, so if you see problems with ati cards dont worry. eastside49er

Are they launching Nvidia drivers as well?

There's some beta drivers for Vista...but none for XP.

But i just dont understand why u or anyone would care who has the better version...theyre both great games and instead of trying to prove how many girls u get or how nice ur car is, or who has the better version...cant we all just laugh at PS3 fanboys who get left out?

ApocalypseXIVV

so anyone here played the full game? if so, is it really that good?

Mystery_Writer

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]I think it will get a 9.6-9.7 on 360 and a 9.4-9.5 on PC. 360 doesn't have a single FPS that competes with Bioshock so it will score very high.MadExponent

Well thats just what I think it will score. Do you think that Halo 3's score will be lower now that 360 has a killer FPS in its library?

[QUOTE="RickGotti"]

RE: The Bioshock Review Thread.

Wow Casey, why even give users the ability to start threads of their own? Why don't you just start all the threads that you deem worthy of discussion & we'll all talk about what you want.

That thread is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

eastside49er

I agree.

i got suspended once for proving casey wrong. lame.

anyway, one more day!

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

[QUOTE="dracolich666"]12mins to go and ill post screens/ benchies. ATi hotfix drivers will come before the game hits btw, so if you see problems with ati cards dont worry. TrueReligion_

Are they launching Nvidia drivers as well?

There's some beta drivers for Vista...but none for XP.

I already have the beta drivers downloaded (163.11) and ready to go. I'm just hoping MS and Nvidia can figure out how to fix the SLI issues with the G80 cards. My system used to run in SLI just fine, but then that 162 driver came out and it hasn't worked properly since. MS issued a patch that fixes the issue for about 5 to 6 hours, but then it becomes unstable again only in SLI. Oh well. I'm sure my single 8800 GTX will run the game just fine for now.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"][QUOTE="RickGotti"]

RE: The Bioshock Review Thread.

Wow Casey, why even give users the ability to start threads of their own? Why don't you just start all the threads that you deem worthy of discussion & we'll all talk about what you want.

That thread is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

rocktimusprime

I agree.

i got suspended once for proving casey wrong. lame.

anyway, one more day!

System Wars has becoming the equivalant of drinking with my mom.................lame

[QUOTE="eastside49er"][QUOTE="RickGotti"]

RE: The Bioshock Review Thread.

Wow Casey, why even give users the ability to start threads of their own? Why don't you just start all the threads that you deem worthy of discussion & we'll all talk about what you want.

That thread is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

rocktimusprime

I agree.

i got suspended once for proving casey wrong. lame.

anyway, one more day!

I had a post deleted the other day for just quoting someone. Yes that is all I did. I didn't say a word. I just quoted. My post got deleted. The person who said what I quoted wasn't deleted and they claimed it was disrupted as far as me quoting some one, LOL!!! :lol: I wasn't suspended, but that was about as stupid as it gets.

"[INSERT SITUATION HERE] has becoming the equivalant of drinking with my mom.................lame"

I don't know if this has been posted already (and this thread is entirely too long to read every post), but if you order the game on CircuityCity.com you instantly save $10. So, the PC version is only $39.99 and the 360 version is only $49.99. moohan

Wow man thanks, you werent lying! Now, is the $10 discount worth waiting for it to ship!? Naaaaaah Im getting it tomorrow CANT WAIT!

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]I think it will get a 9.6-9.7 on 360 and a 9.4-9.5 on PC. 360 doesn't have a single FPS that competes with Bioshock so it will score very high.musicalmac

Well thats just what I think it will score. Do you think that Halo 3's score will be lower now that 360 has a killer FPS in its library?

I don't want Bioshock to score bad and since the change in the ratings system those scores are not possible correct?

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]I think it will get a 9.6-9.7 on 360 and a 9.4-9.5 on PC. 360 doesn't have a single FPS that competes with Bioshock so it will score very high.MadExponent

Well thats just what I think it will score. Do you think that Halo 3's score will be lower now that 360 has a killer FPS in its library?

I don't want Bioshock to score bad and since the change in the ratings system those scores are not possible correct?

You are correct. The new rating system goes on a .5 scale.

I don't want Bioshock to score bad and since the change in the ratings system those scores are not possible correct?

MadExponent

Read it and weep hermits. Gameranking scores so far. Xbox 360 version will be the highest ranked game of all time.

BioShock - PC
Avg Ratio: 96%

BioShock - X360
Avg Ratio: 99.1%

you asked for it.....

http://pc.ign.com/articles/813/813641p1.html

"If you're debating which version to get, the PC version handles better. In part it's because of the greater precision with the mouse and keyboard, but also with how the plasmids and weapons are selected. With the default settings RMB switches between the two, LMB fires, and we preferred the mouse wheel to an the Xbox 360 version's bumper clicks for quickly cycling through. By hitting Shift you can bring up a plasmid and weapon selection screen if you so desire, but the mouse wheel scrolled through fast enough to stay useful. Note that you can't set LMB to fire a weapon and RMB to fire a plasmid; there's only one fire function. We also noticed the option to bind the functions "switch and fire weapon" and "switch and fire plasmid," but when we tested it out these only switched from weapon to plasmid and back again, much like the RMB default function. All weapons and plasmids are also bound to the number and function keys, making it even easier to ensure you always have the ideal attack at the ready."

"The PC version definitely out****s the Xbox 360, mostly because of the ability to crank the resolution to 1920 x 1200. If you've got a Vista rig with a DX10 card, you can expect some heightened particle effects, crisper real-time shadows, and more dynamic water, but the game looks gorgeous regardless."

Interesting...

oh god please dont bring this up again. we finally finished it.h575309

you asked for it.....

"If you're debating which version to get, the PC version handles better. In part it's because of the greater precision with the mouse and keyboard, but also with how the plasmids and weapons are selected. With the default settings RMB switches between the two, LMB fires, and we preferred the mouse wheel to an the Xbox 360 version's bumper clicks for quickly cycling through. By hitting Shift you can bring up a plasmid and weapon selection screen if you so desire, but the mouse wheel scrolled through fast enough to stay useful. Note that you can't set LMB to fire a weapon and RMB to fire a plasmid; there's only one fire function. We also noticed the option to bind the functions "switch and fire weapon" and "switch and fire plasmid," but when we tested it out these only switched from weapon to plasmid and back again, much like the RMB default function. All weapons and plasmids are also bound to the number and function keys, making it even easier to ensure you always have the ideal attack at the ready."

"The PC version definitely out****s the Xbox 360, mostly because of the ability to crank the resolution to 1920 x 1200. If you've got a Vista rig with a DX10 card, you can expect some heightened particle effects, crisper real-time shadows, and more dynamic water, but the game looks gorgeous regardless."

cobrax25

I could have told them that without ever playing the game.

Well still waiting for the hotfix, alot of textures are missing and after the plane crash i dont have any sound. Stupid TWIMTBP games.dracolich666

Huh? I downloaded the demo yesterday, but they were waiting on issuing keycodes for it. Were they released today?

Edit: That is amazing to me that a game this high profile has issues like you say. I hope I can play it alright when I get home.