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#251 vashkey
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[QUOTE="vashkey"]I agree. Lets start judging handheld games by console and PC standards. TenP

You're missing the point. Lemmings, that's your kind of people, boasted to us Hermits that someone said that Halo Wars had better controls than any PC game. Lemmings, that's your kind of people, started the initial comparison to the PC.

Really? When? If anything your just acting like every console gamer expects all their games to be just as good as PC games. Not all of us are mindless fools.

If anything Halo Wars proved RTS work on consoles and quite well. Play the demo.

If anything it just that people say Halo Wars isnt as good simpy because it's not as deep as some PC rts. Not having anything to do with the actual quality of the gameplay.

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#252 cobrax75
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[QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Nitpick much?Skittles_McGee

Thats not a nitpick considering how much RTS standards have changed since than...but it sounds like you wouldnt know anything about that considering you just compared Halo Wars with 2 15 year old games.

My point was that an RTS with two factions can have plenty of replayability. I already proved my point so there's really no need for an attack on my knowledge, thanks.

no, your point makes absolutly no sence at all....WarCraft 1 and 2 had a lot of replay value for there time...but that doesnt cut it anymore...people expect a lot more from RTS's now.

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#253 Master-Thief-09
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GS, lower than the rest (as usual). Still, I will watch the review.
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#254 mistervengeance
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it's a bargain bin buy for me.. i'm definately not going to be one of the people paying full price for this game. i liked the demo, but i didn't really really like it enough to buy ti.
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#255 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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Flop, nuff said. No need for debate. The damage control in this thread is incredibleUptown
*grabs popcorn* now wheres the screams of "bias" and payoffs lol :P
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#256 hopesfall2own
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Flop, nuff said. No need for debate. The damage control in this thread is incredibleUptown
there's barely any damage control aside from 2-3 people, most of the comments are the same guys saying the same thing over and over.
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#257 bdum_pshhh
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[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Nitpick much?Skittles_McGee
9 years is nitpicking? It was your point, and it was wrong. lulz

For what, the third time now? The point was that an RTS with two factions can have a lot of replayability. Stop. Dragging. This. Off. Subject.

maybe it can if it's done right, however according to this review it wasn't.
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#258 carlisledavid79
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Ok so now onto the next big game. If a certain FPS thats due out soon scores 6.5 or lower. I will personaly eat my PS3 and post it up on youtube.
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#259 angelkimne
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[QUOTE="vashkey"]Lol, this is pathetic. Everyone want a Halo flop so bad they choose to ignore all reviews but Gamespot's.Espada12

GS is the only review that counts in SW:|, but nice damage control there.

People always say this but I can never find any rule that says we have to... In fact I believe there was an official (stickied) poll that declared we could use any review source we want a year or so ago.

Also, anyone notice how in the video review there was a menu screenshot showing Blood Gulch as a playable 1v1 multiplayer map? It's at 3:59. That's sure to please some Halo fans.

Anyway, as I said before, I hope I like this game more than the reviewer did, because there's no way I'm not getting it.

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#260 Trinexxx
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I've read up a bunch of reviews and most journalists seemed to really enjoy this game.

I'm probably going to pass on it, but if a friend of mine buys it I'll definitely borrow it and give it a shot later.

Seems like its a love/hate type of game.

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#261 Skittles_McGee
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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="cobrax75"]

Thats not a nitpick considering how much RTS standards have changed since than...but it sounds like you wouldnt know anything about that considering you just compared Halo Wars with 2 15 year old games.

cobrax75

My point was that an RTS with two factions can have plenty of replayability. I already proved my point so there's really no need for an attack on my knowledge, thanks.

no, your point makes absolutly no sence at all....WarCraft 1 and 2 had a lot of replay value for there time...but that doesnt cut it anymore...people expect a lot more from RTS's now.

Oh my god... seriously? Let me repeat it. The person I quoted said "you can't have much replay with 2 factions", or something along those lines. I mentioned WarCraft 2 which ENTIRELY proves that claim false. Warcraft 2 only has two factions yet there are still people who play it. The age of the game actually FURTHER proves my point, it doesn't detract from it. What is so hard to get about this?
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#262 porky_ownsu
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i was really anticipating a good review. Wont change my mind though, i loved the demo.
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#263 Skittles_McGee
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[QUOTE="bdum_pshhh"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="Mehdi1984"] 9 years is nitpicking? It was your point, and it was wrong. lulz

For what, the third time now? The point was that an RTS with two factions can have a lot of replayability. Stop. Dragging. This. Off. Subject.

maybe it can if it's done right, however according to this review it wasn't.

I know. I have never said otherwise.
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#264 Uptown
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Ok so now onto the next big game. If a certain FPS thats due out soon scores 6.5 or lower. I will personaly eat my PS3 and post it up on youtube.carlisledavid79

I will drop out of dental school if Killzone 2 gets a 6.5. (It wont)

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#265 jg4xchamp
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Damn ....flop....oh well...i'll still buy it(since i have it reserved :P)| Besides they also flopped Fire Emblem...and loved Farcry 2...and i had opposite opinions on both.... bu bu gamespot is getting soft....
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#266 cobrax75
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[QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] My point was that an RTS with two factions can have plenty of replayability. I already proved my point so there's really no need for an attack on my knowledge, thanks.Skittles_McGee

no, your point makes absolutly no sence at all....WarCraft 1 and 2 had a lot of replay value for there time...but that doesnt cut it anymore...people expect a lot more from RTS's now.

Oh my god... seriously? Let me repeat it. The person I quoted said "you can't have much replay with 2 factions", or something along those lines. I mentioned WarCraft 2 which ENTIRELY proves that claim false. Warcraft 2 only has two factions yet there are still people who play it. The age of the game actually FURTHER proves my point, it doesn't detract from it. What is so hard to get about this?

Because somehow the fact that people expect more out of RTS's now than they did 15 years ago seems to go right above you...any RTS now with only 1 campagn and 2 factions is gonna have points taken off....that was the case with Company of Heroes, and its the case with Halo Wars.

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#267 Gamersince81
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Im glad it flopped cause im the number 1 HALO HATA!!!! I did play the demo and thought it deserved a 7.0. RTS's on consoles should have a lower rating curve compared to the PC RTSs due to the m&k.
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#268 bdum_pshhh
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="vashkey"]Lol, this is pathetic. Everyone want a Halo flop so bad they choose to ignore all reviews but Gamespot's.angelkimne

GS is the only review that counts in SW:|, but nice damage control there.

People always say this but I can never find any rule that says we have to... In fact I believe there was an official (stickied) poll that declared we could use any review source we want a year or so ago.

Also, anyone notice how in the video review there was a menu screenshot showing Blood Gulch as a playable 1v1 multiplayer map? It's at 3:59. That's sure to please some Halo fans.

Anyway, as I said before, I hope I like this game more than the reviewer did, because there's no way I'm not getting it.

I think GS scores only count for ownage purposes.
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#269 spinecaton
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I'm going to say this again because it is the only thing that I am upset about. The game being deducted for having only one playable race during campaign is ridiculous. I expect to see both Starcraft II and Dawn of War II deducted for the exact same reason then.

Edit: this also proves me point I made in a different thread about a different game. GS reviews games based on hype. How can such a broken game as Spiderman 3 get a slightly higher score then a game that is just simple RTS with no big technical errors. Because there was more hype for a game with the name Halo in it, people expect spectacular things, life moves on but damn I don't understand GS reviews sometime.

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#270 BigGimp77
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Damn ....flop....oh well...i'll still buy it(since i have it reserved :P)| Besides they also flopped Fire Emblem...and loved Farcry 2...and i had opposite opinions on both.... bu bu gamespot is getting soft....

I thought FE deserves a 7 but I absolutly hated FarCry 2. It was pretty but so mediocre in other areas
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#271 ironcreed
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Not suprising, as I thought the demo was a complete snooze fest. Too bad many thought it was destined to be great simply because it has 'Halo' in it's title, lol. Of course I am not much of an RTS guy to begin with though, so a lot of that accounts for the lackluster impression I got from it. On that note, I am sure plenty of folks out there will dig the hell out of it. There are plenty of 6.5's and even lower that I personally end up loving, that's for sure.
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#272 M337ING
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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="cobrax75"]

no, your point makes absolutly no sence at all....WarCraft 1 and 2 had a lot of replay value for there time...but that doesnt cut it anymore...people expect a lot more from RTS's now.

cobrax75

Oh my god... seriously? Let me repeat it. The person I quoted said "you can't have much replay with 2 factions", or something along those lines. I mentioned WarCraft 2 which ENTIRELY proves that claim false. Warcraft 2 only has two factions yet there are still people who play it. The age of the game actually FURTHER proves my point, it doesn't detract from it. What is so hard to get about this?

Because somehow the fact that people expect more out of RTS's now than they did 15 years ago seems to go right above you...any RTS now with only 1 campagn and 2 factions is gonna have points taken off....that was the case with Company of Heroes, and its the case with Halo Wars.

Indeed, Company of Heroes did enough right to get out of the shadow of that flaw. Halo Wars does nothing cool or new.
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#273 Mehdi1984
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[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Nitpick much?Skittles_McGee
9 years is nitpicking? It was your point, and it was wrong. lulz

For what, the third time now? The point was that an RTS with two factions can have a lot of replayability. Stop. Dragging. This. Off. Subject.

You're the one who is dragging off topic from the premise. 2 factions in an RTS in 2009 is *devolving*
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#274 Xalaten
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Kinda shocked considering on Metacritic it is at 82 but oh well on this website it is considered a flop.rybe1025
Umm, 82 isn't exactly brilliant either. It's barely AA. Once that 65 is factored in it may actually drop below 80.
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#275 Mavlow
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

My First RTS

I feel bad for the people whose first RTS will be Halo Wars. :(

Espada12

Lol, nice spin, but honestly it's really for people who never played RTS before. 7-8 is a more rational score if not compared to PC RTS.

I am not buying this defense. The easy difficulty level is what newbs play. They stright up had to dumb the game down because the system could not handle the industry standards for what a successful RTS game involves.

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#276 Skittles_McGee
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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="cobrax75"]

no, your point makes absolutly no sence at all....WarCraft 1 and 2 had a lot of replay value for there time...but that doesnt cut it anymore...people expect a lot more from RTS's now.

cobrax75

Oh my god... seriously? Let me repeat it. The person I quoted said "you can't have much replay with 2 factions", or something along those lines. I mentioned WarCraft 2 which ENTIRELY proves that claim false. Warcraft 2 only has two factions yet there are still people who play it. The age of the game actually FURTHER proves my point, it doesn't detract from it. What is so hard to get about this?

Because somehow the fact that people expect more out of RTS's now than they did 15 years ago seems to go right above you...any RTS now with only 1 campagn and 2 factions is gonna have points taken off....that was the case with Company of Heroes, and its the case with Halo Wars.

Once again, is it really necessary to insult my intelligence? Anyway about what you said, thats absolutely fantastic and all but I don't remember ever saying anything about scores. I could have sworn we were talking about replay value.
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#277 Espada12
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I'm going to say this again because it is the only thing that I am upset about. The game being deducted for having only one playable race during campaign is ridiculous. I expect to see both Starcraft II and Dawn of War II deducted for the exact same reason then.spinecaton

Every race is SC2 is getting it's own campaign:|, Dow 2? no idea I got the game and you can only play SM atm.

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#278 Gamersince81
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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]Ok so now onto the next big game. If a certain FPS thats due out soon scores 6.5 or lower. I will personaly eat my PS3 and post it up on youtube.Uptown

I will drop out of dental school if Killzone 2 gets a 6.5. (It wont)

I'll drop out of earth if KZ2 gets 8.5 on GS!!!

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#279 carlisledavid79
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[QUOTE="Uptown"]Flop, nuff said. No need for debate. The damage control in this thread is incrediblehopesfall2own
there's barely any damage control aside from 2-3 people, most of the comments are the same guys saying the same thing over and over.

Time to update that thread of yours
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#280 Dahaka-UK
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Too bad it's going to sell well because of it's name alone.
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#281 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]Ok so now onto the next big game. If a certain FPS thats due out soon scores 6.5 or lower. I will personaly eat my PS3 and post it up on youtube.Uptown

I will drop out of dental school if Killzone 2 gets a 6.5. (It wont)

I'll quit med school, eat a PS3, buy 3 more X360s and put crushed chilli peppers down my pants and post it on youtube if KZ2 gets 6.5 or lower...Im not joking :|
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#282 MrSlippery39
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This is sad, but I wasn't excited for it anyways. Still its very unexpected.
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#283 Jack_Bauer07
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Poor Ensemble. They went from being some the greatest RTS developers to making a watered down console game. Why shouldn't this game be compared to PC standards? This isn't the original Xbox. PS3/360 have far more advanced technology than what PCs had in the past. Ensemble could have done better. By the way, does this support KB/M? Seems like it should be a requirement of such game.
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#284 M337ING
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[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Kinda shocked considering on Metacritic it is at 82 but oh well on this website it is considered a flop.Xalaten
Umm, 82 isn't exactly brilliant either. It's barely AA. Once that 65 is factored in it may actually drop below 80.

Not to mention that review scores tend to drop over time.
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#285 ocdog45
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shows that 1: games for the 360 will only get worse, 2: rts still suck for console.
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#286 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

My First RTS

I feel bad for the people whose first RTS will be Halo Wars. :(

Mavlow

Lol, nice spin, but honestly it's really for people who never played RTS before. 7-8 is a more rational score if not compared to PC RTS.

I am not buying this defense. The easy difficulty level is what newbs play. They stright up had to dumb the game down because the system could not handle the industry standards for what a successful RTS game involves.

That's not my defense, I am bashing lemmings and the game in this same thread, it's the reality of the situation. Why do you think people made that picture in the above quote?

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#288 nervmeister
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Too bad it's going to sell well because of it's name alone.Dahaka-UK
Wouldn't be surprised.
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#289 Quofan
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I dont know what people are complaining about. Firstly, this is Gamespot, their reviews have sucked since Jeff took over as editor (not only did they change the system, they got really harsh). They have only gotten worse since he left.

Second, the points the reviewer made sound pretty reasonable to me. Two playable factions? That doesnt sound like much variety to keep me interested at all. I would have bought this as well, but it just seems too short and too bare. I dont agree with the reviewer's suggestion that its simplistic therefore not good enough as it was intended for the console market. Saying that, it sounds like the demise of the studio may have had a negative impact on the release of this game. Im gonna hazard a guess that it was rushed out on shelves.

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#290 Fab92
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[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

.

Ouch :(
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#291 M337ING
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[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]Too bad it's going to sell well because of it's name alone.nervmeister
Wouldn't be surprised.

I don't expect it to have a long tail like the other halo games, thoguh/
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#292 spinecaton
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[QUOTE="spinecaton"]I'm going to say this again because it is the only thing that I am upset about. The game being deducted for having only one playable race during campaign is ridiculous. I expect to see both Starcraft II and Dawn of War II deducted for the exact same reason then.Espada12

Every race is SC2 is getting it's own campaign:|, Dow 2? no idea I got the game and you can only play SM atm.

No they aren't, they are going to be in expansions :| When Starcraft II comes out, there will only be one campaign :| So you are saying they should review it off of what will be added in later due to expansions?

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#293 glez13
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People should just stop arguing and the Damage Control. This game is still gonna sell like crazy, and all the Halo fanboys will still treat it as the only thing that matters and exists in the universe. The MC score right now is 80, and GS's review is still the lowest.

All of this will happen as always, and we Hermits will be like this::roll: as always.

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#294 Keep-the-Faith
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too soon?.

jethrovegas

I suddenly feel happy and glad ensemble is no more.

NOBODY &*$%s up Halo and lives to tell the tale.

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#295 II_Seraphim_II
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shows that 1: games for the 360 will only get worse, 2: rts still suck for console. ocdog45
Explain point 1 to me please...
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#296 vashkey
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I'm going to say this again because it is the only thing that I am upset about. The game being deducted for having only one playable race during campaign is ridiculous. I expect to see both Starcraft II and Dawn of War II deducted for the exact same reason then.

Edit: this also proves me point I made in a different thread about a different game. GS reviews games based on hype. How can such a broken game as Spiderman 3 get a slightly higher score then a game that is just simple RTS with no big technical errors. Because there was more hype for a game with the name Halo in it, people expect spectacular things, life moves on but damn I don't understand GS reviews sometime.

spinecaton
The simple fact that they complained about the lack of content(only two races, some what short campaign) has me puzzled since they didn't criticize Portal for this kind of stuff at all. And while I know it's an entirely different genre it still doesn't change the fact that Portal was extremely short and low on content. Different editors have different values I guess.
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#297 DarkyC
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I'm going to say this again because it is the only thing that I am upset about. The game being deducted for having only one playable race during campaign is ridiculous. I expect to see both Starcraft II and Dawn of War II deducted for the exact same reason then.

Edit: this also proves me point I made in a different thread about a different game. GS reviews games based on hype. How can such a broken game as Spiderman 3 get a slightly higher score then a game that is just simple RTS with no big technical errors. Because there was more hype for a game with the name Halo in it, people expect spectacular things, life moves on but damn I don't understand GS reviews sometime.

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Will the campaign take more than 5 hours to finish?

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Too bad it's going to sell well because of it's name alone.Dahaka-UK

Yup, it will still sell millions. That makes it even more funny.

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#299 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="glez13"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

OMG! he admitted it! :shock:

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Bah, we already knew anyway.

SW's Worst kept secret.

Ya think. Im shocked at the score this game got. I mean even though I dont like halo it still looks pretty and fun to play.

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#300 heretrix
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Cool. Is this still lemmingspot now?