OFFICIAL November NPD: Ohh my 360 outsells PS3 by 110k, MW2 6m

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#901 gamecubepad
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I heard the MS was disguising 360s in PS3 boxes and that's why the got the sales. People bought it didn't know the got a 360 until they opened the box, but they couldn't return them cause the stores don't take back open products. This is Bogus!!!

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#902 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]

yea, i think someone forgot how wrong they were about black friday sales too

fun-da-mental

VGC are always MILES off on their made up guesses for the weeks, doesn't stop people trying to use them in fail ownage

Miles off according to who? you brain? lol

Can you provide any source to disprove those figures? Until then, consider yourself a troll.

I can prove that VGC guesses are way off heres an example

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26139496&page=1

or here

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26515326

or go have a look at the threads for their predictions for november ;)

but you're not really interested in the facts are you? :)

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#903 Chaos_HL21
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VGC are always MILES off on their made up guesses for the weeks, doesn't stop people trying to use them in fail ownagefun-da-mental

Miles off according to who? you brain? lol

Can you provide any source to disprove those figures? Until then, consider yourself a troll.

I remember they were having the PS3 ahead of the 360 in the US in November... NPD comes around and that wasn't the case. But if you like to use made up numbers that is cool.

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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Can't wait to see december's data with christmas... :lol:nhh18

Unless MS bans another million Xbox consoles, PS3 will probably be back on top.

Bans have nothing to do with sales numbers. It is probably a 10k impact at most :D.

December should be interesting. It should be really really close again.

Excuse me, but 1 million people didn't just "throw in the towel" with gaming. You act as if 990,000 banned consoles were not replaced? You don't think that maybe 1/3 to 1/2 is a little bit more realistic? :?

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#905 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

Unless MS bans another million Xbox consoles, PS3 will probably be back on top.TintedEyes
Bans have nothing to do with sales numbers. It is probably a 10k impact at most :D.

December should be interesting. It should be really really close again.

Excuse me, but 1 million people didn't just "throw in the towel" with gaming. You act as if 990,000 banned consoles were not replaced? You don't think that maybe 1/3 to 1/2 is a little bit more realistic? :?

You know that they could still play on those console just not online right? The consoles weren't bricked
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#906 ZoomZoom2490
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ms planned to ban the hackers at the right time, got to give em some credit on that.

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#907 ZoomZoom2490
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]Bans have nothing to do with sales numbers. It is probably a 10k impact at most :D.

December should be interesting. It should be really really close again.

Excuse me, but 1 million people didn't just "throw in the towel" with gaming. You act as if 990,000 banned consoles were not replaced? You don't think that maybe 1/3 to 1/2 is a little bit more realistic? :?

You know that they could still play on those console just not online right? The consoles weren't bricked

who wants that when 98% of 360 owners get online.
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#908 istreakforfood
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] Unless MS bans another million Xbox consoles, PS3 will probably be back on top.furomaster_99

Bans have nothing to do with sales numbers. It is probably a 10k impact at most :D.

December should be interesting. It should be really really close again.

Excuse me, but 1 million people didn't just "throw in the towel" with gaming. You act as if 990,000 banned consoles were not replaced? You don't think that maybe 1/3 to 1/2 is a little bit more realistic? :?

Who is to say those ban didn't help with the ps3 sales. If it did boost 360 sales, then they must either hate the ps3 or think it is a pos to buy another 360 after being banned.

yea yea typo on my part.

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#910 Kickinurass
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

if you google it, you will find that ms owned branches purchase massive amount of 360's during holidays and put them up for charity.

ZoomZoom2490

Worse DC ever lol. And even if that were true, how is that any different from scientists, or NASA buying PS3s to build clusters that cows are always raving about? Lets try to be fair here............

like i said, google it, ms gives out tons of 360's to charity during holidays.

i would say 200k of those 360's were not bought from regular consumers.

Are we going to attack Microsoft for giving to charity and and their sales numbers at the same time?

-Grabs popcorn-

This is going to be some of the best spin this year!

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#911 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="istreakforfood"]

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]Bans have nothing to do with sales numbers. It is probably a 10k impact at most :D.

December should be interesting. It should be really really close again.

Excuse me, but 1 million people didn't just "throw in the towel" with gaming. You act as if 990,000 banned consoles were not replaced? You don't think that maybe 1/3 to 1/2 is a little bit more realistic? :?

Who is to say those ban didn't help with the ps3 sales. If it did boost ps3 sales, then they must either hate the ps3 or think it is a pos to buy another 360 after being banned.

I saw quite a few cows say that. Oh and support piracy as well ...
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#912 gamecubepad
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Who is to say those ban didn't help with the ps3 sales. If it did boost ps3 sales, then they must either hate the ps3 or think it is a pos to buy another 360 after being banned.

istreakforfood

Brilliant!

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[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] VGC are always MILES off on their made up guesses for the weeks, doesn't stop people trying to use them in fail ownageblue_hazy_basic

Miles off according to who? you brain? lol

Can you provide any source to disprove those figures? Until then, consider yourself a troll.

I can prove that VGC guesses are way off heres an example

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26139496&page=1

or here

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26515326

or go have a look at the threads for their predictions for november ;)

but you're not really interested in the facts are you? :)

NPD =/= Fact , but using VG probably isnt a smart thing to do.
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#914 ZoomZoom2490
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why would a person with banned 360 that has tons of games buy the ps3?

most of them purchased the 360 again.

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#915 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

Miles off according to who? you brain? lol

Can you provide any source to disprove those figures? Until then, consider yourself a troll.

I can prove that VGC guesses are way off heres an example

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26139496&page=1

or here

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26515326

or go have a look at the threads for their predictions for november ;)

but you're not really interested in the facts are you? :)

NPD =/= Fact , but using VG probably isnt a smart thing to do.

Companies like say MICROSOFT AND SONY consider NPD accurate, but you know much more them obviously :roll: Please don't include VGC in the category as NPD, VGC guesses NPD uses data
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#916 KukicAdo
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

Miles off according to who? you brain? lol

Can you provide any source to disprove those figures? Until then, consider yourself a troll.

yoyo462001

I can prove that VGC guesses are way off heres an example

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26139496&page=1

or here

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26515326

or go have a look at the threads for their predictions for november ;)

but you're not really interested in the facts are you? :)

NPD =/= Fact , but using VG probably isnt a smart thing to do.

NPD is the most accurate. Period. No ifs ands or buts.
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#917 VGCReporter
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One Xbox 360 game outsold all the PS3 software.

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#918 lhughey
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if you google it, you will find that ms owned branches purchase massive amount of 360's during holidays and put them up for charity.

ZoomZoom2490
Think about what you're saying for a minute. How many 360s do you think M$ donated to charity? My guess is a couple of hundred or so. Is that such a bad thing? When did donating to charity become a bad thing? Furthermore, do you think M$ donated them so that a couple of fanboys on SW would be happy?
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#919 furomaster_99
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why would a person with banned 360 that has tons of games buy the ps3?

most of them purchased the 360 again.

ZoomZoom2490

Exactly! ;)

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#920 istreakforfood
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[QUOTE="istreakforfood"]

Who is to say those ban didn't help with the ps3 sales. If it did boost ps3 sales, then they must either hate the ps3 or think it is a pos to buy another 360 after being banned.

gamecubepad

Brilliant!

Yes I know. I'm an idiot for typing in boost ps3 sales instead of 360.

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#921 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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One Xbox 360 game outsold all the PS3 software.

VGCReporter
You must be mistaken. Everyone knows that the 360 is only popular because of piracy and that its only sold so many units because of RROD and people have had to buy multiple 360's. Therefore, those figures are false
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#922 gamecubepad
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Yes I know. I'm an idiot for typing in boost ps3 sales instead of 360.

istreakforfood

Nah. I knew what you meant and it's a solid point.

A banned user would prefer a PS3 because they're using modded consoles and don't own the games. They realize that if they buy another 360 and go online they'll have to pay for games, or get another banned console. So they keep they're bricked 360 for free SP and get a PS3 for online since it's free.

Makes sense to me that the banned users had little to no impact on sales.

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#923 rp108
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[QUOTE="VGCReporter"]

One Xbox 360 game outsold all the PS3 software.

blue_hazy_basic

You must be mistaken. Everyone knows that the 360 is only popular because of piracy and that its only sold so many units because of RROD and people have had to buy multiple 360's. Therefore, those figures are false

I am not sure if this sarcasm.

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="VGCReporter"]

One Xbox 360 game outsold all the PS3 software.

rp108

You must be mistaken. Everyone knows that the 360 is only popular because of piracy and that its only sold so many units because of RROD and people have had to buy multiple 360's. Therefore, those figures are false

I am not sure if this sarcasm.

Blue is such a cow it's not even funny. He never uses sarcasm.
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#925 dsmccracken
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="Wassmansdorff"]

People fail to realize NPD is USA Only. XBOX360 is still being outsold.

KukicAdo
NPD also includes Canada.

no it doesnt

Maybe I'm wrong on this one. I've seen the NPD numbers for Canada. How can NPD have numbers for Canada but the NPD numbers don't INCLUDE Canada?
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#926 Ringx55
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But counting Japan sales and etc PS3 sold more! I think?
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But counting Japan sales and etc PS3 sold more! I think?Ringx55
Sssh! Don't ruin the fun :( You're right but this is still something that nearly no-one saw coming.
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[QUOTE="KukicAdo"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"] NPD also includes Canada.dsmccracken
no it doesnt

Maybe I'm wrong on this one. I've seen the NPD numbers for Canada. How can NPD have numbers for Canada but the NPD numbers don't INCLUDE Canada?

from what i understand, NDP covers US and Canada, but when the monthly npd numbers come out, its only for the US.... its Canada sales figures are separate

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#930 VGCReporter
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="KukicAdo"] no it doesntogvampire

Maybe I'm wrong on this one. I've seen the NPD numbers for Canada. How can NPD have numbers for Canada but the NPD numbers don't INCLUDE Canada?

from what i understand, NDP covers US and Canada, but when the monthly npd numbers come out, its only for the US.... its Canada sales figures are separate

Ordinary NPD = US only. But sometimes, NPD comes with Canada sales only.

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[QUOTE="Ringx55"]But counting Japan sales and etc PS3 sold more! I think?Floppy_Jim
Sssh! Don't ruin the fun :( You're right but this is still something that nearly no-one saw coming.

I know, this is a surprise hit.. I swear those adds alone should of made the PS3 dominate the 360 :(
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="Ringx55"]But counting Japan sales and etc PS3 sold more! I think?Ringx55
Sssh! Don't ruin the fun :( You're right but this is still something that nearly no-one saw coming.

I know, this is a surprise hit.. I swear those adds alone should of made the PS3 dominate the 360 :(

Well, duh! Japan is Nintendo's & Sony's hometown.

Plus should the 360 overtake the PS3 in sales for December, are Cows still going to be using that old "banned console" excuse again?

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[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] Maybe I'm wrong on this one. I've seen the NPD numbers for Canada. How can NPD have numbers for Canada but the NPD numbers don't INCLUDE Canada?VGCReporter

from what i understand, NDP covers US and Canada, but when the monthly npd numbers come out, its only for the US.... its Canada sales figures are separate

Ordinary NPD = US only. But sometimes, NPD comes with Canada sales only.

Clearly I'm owned on this one. However, the spirit is still true, and my mistake may even strengthen the point if separate Cdn. figures would only serve to increase these NPD numbers. As it is highly likely that the Cdn market mirrored the US market (as it almost always does), that probably means the 360 won there, too. Which means that the #1 and (not sure about this) #5? market tipped to the 360 for November. Mind you, Canada doesn't have Black Friday (they have a Sept. Thanksgiving), so this is pure tenuous speculation.
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#935 KukicAdo
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I heard the MS was disguising 360s in PS3 boxes and that's why the got the sales. People bought it didn't know the got a 360 until they opened the box, but they couldn't return them cause the stores don't take back open products. This is Bogus!!!

gamecubepad
Ohh MS..you sneaky sly devils
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[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

Miles off according to who? you brain? lol

Can you provide any source to disprove those figures? Until then, consider yourself a troll.

I can prove that VGC guesses are way off heres an example

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26139496&page=1

or here

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26515326

or go have a look at the threads for their predictions for november ;)

but you're not really interested in the facts are you? :)

Since when threads created by drones like you become facts?.Come back with real source showing real numbers or quit trolling over.

Those are using VGC numbers .. did you read the thread? You asked for a source, I gave it to you. Now you provide a source showing that VGC weekly numbers are accurate.
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#937 Cloud567kar
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[QUOTE="VGCReporter"]

One Xbox 360 game outsold all the PS3 software.

blue_hazy_basic

You must be mistaken. Everyone knows that the 360 is only popular because of piracy and that its only sold so many units because of RROD and people have had to buy multiple 360's. Therefore, those figures are false

You must be mistaken, almost no one has ever heard that false statement.

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#938 Nidget
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[QUOTE="Nidget"][QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

It is meaningless and you know it. 110k is nothing, and the Wii absolutely stomped both, but you're not talking about the Wii. You're just loving rolling in the tears of deluded cows who failed to see what a 99$ 360 would mean for the PS3.

finalfantasy94

110k is nothing? In comparison to the amounts the consoles sold, its definitely something. The PS3 only sold 700k, and you're telling me 100k is nothing? lol i dont think so.

Dude it isint a huge gap. Its already been said. Only fanboys would think that like you. This whole thread was about how cows were wrong on PS3 smashing 360 in sales and thats about it. 110k is not a huge gap in the month sales.

It most definitely is when cows were certain the PS3 would destroy the 360 in sales.
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#939 kyacat
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Wii still selling like hotcake along with little brother the DSI and whoa good sell for 360 and some of the hardcore cows got owned andare making up some lies on why 360 selling well fact is 360 is great console that has proof it's going to stay in the in game ndustry and how long is Mario Kart wii going to stay in top 10 list

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#940 VGCReporter
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Nidget"] 110k is nothing? In comparison to the amounts the consoles sold, its definitely something. The PS3 only sold 700k, and you're telling me 100k is nothing? lol i dont think so.Nidget

Dude it isint a huge gap. Its already been said. Only fanboys would think that like you. This whole thread was about how cows were wrong on PS3 smashing 360 in sales and thats about it. 110k is not a huge gap in the month sales.

It most definitely is when cows were certain the PS3 would destroy the 360 in sales.

Yep, pretty much. It wouldn't have been a massive deal if cows weren't so cocky, arrogant and insulting toward the 360 sales prior to NPD sales figures were announced...

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Kyacat, I gotta know where you got that GIF from :shock::shock:

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#942 yoyo462001
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]I can prove that VGC guesses are way off heres an example

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26139496&page=1

or here

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26515326

or go have a look at the threads for their predictions for november ;)

but you're not really interested in the facts are you? :)

blue_hazy_basic

NPD =/= Fact , but using VG probably isnt a smart thing to do.

Companies like say MICROSOFT AND SONY consider NPD accurate, but you know much more them obviously :roll: Please don't include VGC in the category as NPD, VGC guesses NPD uses data

Well there you are youve just showed yourself i guess, Accurate does not mean Fact, there is some statistical stupidity in saying vg charts is x amount off the 'real numbers' when those NPD numbers are infact just statistical inferences, lol then again NPD's are just mathematical guess really..

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[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]I can prove that VGC guesses are way off heres an example

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26139496&page=1

or here

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26515326

or go have a look at the threads for their predictions for november ;)

but you're not really interested in the facts are you? :)

blue_hazy_basic

Since when threads created by drones like you become facts?.Come back with real source showing real numbers or quit trolling over.

Those are using VGC numbers .. did you read the thread? You asked for a source, I gave it to you. Now you provide a source showing that VGC weekly numbers are accurate.

There is a difference between predictions and actual sales figures. Predictions are not meant to be 100% accurate. What I linked was the results, but I guess you don't like actual results?. I give you another chance. Come up with a alternative source to show worldwide sales figure to make VGCinaccurate.

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#944 TheOwnerOner
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="yoyo462001"]NPD =/= Fact , but using VG probably isnt a smart thing to do.yoyo462001

Companies like say MICROSOFT AND SONY consider NPD accurate, but you know much more them obviously :roll: Please don't include VGC in the category as NPD, VGC guesses NPD uses data

Well there you are youve just showed yourself i guess, Accurate does not mean Fact, there is some statistical stupidity in saying vg charts is x amount off the 'real numbers' when those NPD numbers are infact just statistical inferences, lol then again NPD's are just mathematical guess really..

you got any fact behind your crap-o-logy?
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Those are using VGC numbers .. did you read the thread? You asked for a source, I gave it to you. Now you provide a source showing that VGC weekly numbers are accurate.fun-da-mental

There is a difference between predictions and actual sales figures. Predictions are not meant to be 100% accurate. What I linked was the results, but I guess you don't like actual results?. I give you another chance. Come up with a alternative source to show worldwide sales figure to make VGCinaccurate.

I can make up numbers from the top of my head. Would that work?

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#946 ZoomZoom2490
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360: $100 dollars cheaper, 1 million owners that got banned, thousands of purchased 360's for kids who cant afford one by companies who are close with ms, rrod owners who had to purhcae a new one.

now you would think that 360 should of sold at least 2 million units in NOV, but it didnt, it did horrible.

and when you think about it, the ps3 did great.

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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

360: $100 dollars cheaper, 1 million owners that got banned, thousands of purchased 360's for kids who cant afford one by companies who are close with ms, rrod owners who had to purhcae a new one.

now you would think that 360 should of sold at least 2 million units in NOV, but it didnt, it did horrible.

and when you think about it, the ps3 did great.

your tears taste delicious
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#948 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

Since when threads created by drones like you become facts?.Come back with real source showing real numbers or quit trolling over.

fun-da-mental

Those are using VGC numbers .. did you read the thread? You asked for a source, I gave it to you. Now you provide a source showing that VGC weekly numbers are accurate.

There is a difference between predictions and actual sales figures. Predictions are not meant to be 100% accurate. What I linked was the results, but I guess you don't like actual results?. I give you another chance. Come up with a alternative source to show worldwide sales figure to make VGCinaccurate.

Not having an alternative source doesn't make the other source worthwhile. Its similar to a a huge gap between cliffs. There is a brokken rickety bridge that most certainly is not going to hold your weight. Its the only way across however. Does that make it reliable for the task it performs? Hell no. In fact, you are better off using nothing because if you take the bridge you most certainly are going to die. Same thing here. VGchartz has no accuracy and no valid tracking method. Better no information than false information.

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

Since when threads created by drones like you become facts?.Come back with real source showing real numbers or quit trolling over.

fun-da-mental

Those are using VGC numbers .. did you read the thread? You asked for a source, I gave it to you. Now you provide a source showing that VGC weekly numbers are accurate.

There is a difference between predictions and actual sales figures. Predictions are not meant to be 100% accurate. What I linked was the results, but I guess you don't like actual results?. I give you another chance. Come up with a alternative source to show worldwide sales figure to make VGCinaccurate.

VGChartz have never and will never be accurate.
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#950 Longcat2
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

if you google it, you will find that ms owned branches purchase massive amount of 360's during holidays and put them up for charity.

ZoomZoom2490

Worse DC ever lol. And even if that were true, how is that any different from scientists, or NASA buying PS3s to build clusters that cows are always raving about? Lets try to be fair here............

like i said, google it, ms gives out tons of 360's to charity during holidays.

i would say 200k of those 360's were not bought from regular consumers.

Haha wait, so now we're attacking MS for giving to charity?

WOW!