Official PlayStation Meeting Thread || PS4 Slim @ $299 Today || PS4 Pro @ $399 November 10th

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#751 deactivated-5c0b07b32bf03
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@Antwan3K said:
@speak_low said:

That was a messy, mixed-bag conference with some disappointing reveals. I don't even like the physical look of the PS4 Pro. Sony didn't have to stick so closely to the PS4's original design, but I guess they felt that was important. The PS4 Pro looked like one of those rough 5-second Photoshop jokes on 9Gag.

But when everything settles, and it's time to sell hardware and software again, which company is going to get back on track the fastest? Will all these forum memes, jokes, and Xbox tweets be enough to make Xbox One jump to 40 million, and the PS4 slow down and barely able to reach 50 million? Has the mighty gulf closed into a gap?

Yeah, in your dreams, fanboys. It's one thing to laugh it up, but what are the results going to be on the other side of those laughs? If Sony has really pissed off and hurt their main consumer base so much, I'll be checking for signs of this immediate withdrawal and Xbox migration in the next few months.

I should be seeing the Xbox One surge up, and the PS4 slow down. Now the Lemmings are nervous because they know not a damn thing is changing. And Sheep are riding that Wii U like a dead drifting surfboard going nowhere. Not sure what they're laughing at.

You guffaw now because Sony has damaged themselves irreparably (in your eyes), and mangled their image beyond recognition, and that means sales/profits will fall from here on out. But you own consoles that have largely failed to sell. Does that mean MS and Nintendo bonked their own heads even harder than Sony? They actually did what you're predicting will happen to Sony. That means you live on the same seaport of failure - and you're not calling the shots from the other side, captain.

With respect to equal-opportunity laughing, this also means I should never stop laughing until lagging and unprofitable MS and Nintendo start changing, improving and surpassing. Hey, make a joke (or fifty of them) all you want about Sony. But prove to me it actually amounts to something. Otherwise I'll just return things back to your own platformy situation, where the palpable damage and company's incompetence is 5x worse.

I don't mind the jokes, but let it have a point I can take away from it. Show me the data and all the facts to support this doom-and-gloom, and then you might be on to something. Lets closely watch the PS4/Slim/Pro/PSVR sales this holiday. I think a lot of Lemmings and Sheep are gonna eat even more crow than last year when Sony, once again, does far better than they anticipated.

so basically you're saying that you're happy with anything Sony does as long as sales are up.. you sound more like a Sony shareholder than a gamer or consumer..

The fact remains, regardless of how the sales play out, Sony decided not to increase the overall value of it's new consoles to the end users, especially those with 4K HDTVs.. that's the true take away here..

If you already have a PS4, why buy the PS4 Slim?.. they've offered you literally no reason to and actually took away a hardware feature like optical out.. If I already had a 4KTV, upgrading my current Xbox One to an Xbox One S would be a no-brainer.. the same simply cant be said for the PS4 Slim..

And how about the PS4 Pro?.. If you're looking to get a PS4 Pro to compliment your new 4K HDTV and you're looking to show off how awesome those Ultra HD Bluray movies look on your new display, well sorry.. Sony decided that you don't need that option on a "premium 4K console" and you're stuck trying to stream 4K movies or maybe spend another $400 on a standalone UHD player.. I mean, forget adding value to your product, right?.. especially when the competition is packaging the same 4K upscaling and HDR support you're boasting about along with a UHD disc drive for $100 cheaper.. I guess Sony knows that people like you will rejoice regardless as long as the PS4 Pro is topping the Amazon charts..

the bottomline is this: I'm a consumer, not a shareholder.. When the PS3 was getting killed in sales, I didn't care because I saw the added value of having a built-in Bluray player in my console for my new HDTV.. While the Xbox One is getting killed in sales currently, I don't care because the console is by far a more fully-featured all-in-one entertainment box when compared to the PS4 and that trend looks to be continuing with the Xbox One S revision.. Sales don't matter to me and they shouldn't matter to you either.. what should matter to you is what you're unboxing on your living room floor.. And from what we saw at the briefing, Sony decided to skimp on the value in favor of hoping the Sony Defense Force will continue to sing their praises as long as their sales momentum keeps pace..

And for the record, I'm in no way saying that the PS4 Slim and the PS4 Pro are bad products.. I'm simply echoing the sentiment of all true consumers in terms of the baffling decision Sony has made to not include Ultra HD Bluray playback on either of those devices.. it's absurd and they are rightfully being called out on it..

Uh, dude. This is SW. Sales matter here.

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@reduc_ab_: was the Wii the best gaming console on the market last gen?..

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@Antwan3K said:

@reduc_ab_: was the Wii the best gaming console on the market last gen?..

That's subjective. Sales, however, are not.

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@Antwan3K said:

@reduc_ab_: was the Wii the best gaming console on the market last gen?..

Don't get me wrong. I could give an eff about sales, too. It's just in this place people actually care about that.

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@Antwan3K said:

so basically you're saying that you're happy with anything Sony does as long as sales are up.. you sound more like a Sony shareholder than a gamer or consumer..

The fact remains, regardless of how the sales play out, Sony decided not to increase the overall value of it's new consoles to the end users, especially those with 4K HDTVs.. that's the true take away here..

If you already have a PS4, why buy the PS4 Slim?.. they've offered you literally no reason to and actually took away a hardware feature like optical out.. If I already had a 4KTV, upgrading my current Xbox One to an Xbox One S would be a no-brainer.. the same simply cant be said for the PS4 Slim..

And how about the PS4 Pro?.. If you're looking to get a PS4 Pro to compliment your new 4K HDTV and you're looking to show off how awesome those Ultra HD Bluray movies look on your new display, well sorry.. Sony decided that you don't need that option on a "premium 4K console" and you're stuck trying to stream 4K movies or maybe spend another $400 on a standalone UHD player.. I mean, forget adding value to your product, right?.. especially when the competition is packaging the same 4K upscaling and HDR support you're boasting about along with a UHD disc drive for $100 cheaper.. I guess Sony knows that people like you will rejoice regardless as long as the PS4 Pro is topping the Amazon charts..

the bottomline is this: I'm a consumer, not a shareholder.. When the PS3 was getting killed in sales, I didn't care because I saw the added value of having a built-in Bluray player in my console for my new HDTV.. While the Xbox One is getting killed in sales currently, I don't care because the console is by far a more fully-featured all-in-one entertainment box when compared to the PS4 and that trend looks to be continuing with the Xbox One S revision.. Sales don't matter to me and they shouldn't matter to you either.. what should matter to you is what you're unboxing on your living room floor.. And from what we saw at the briefing, Sony decided to skimp on the value in favor of hoping the Sony Defense Force will continue to sing their praises as long as their sales momentum keeps pace..

And for the record, I'm in no way saying that the PS4 Slim and the PS4 Pro are bad products.. I'm simply echoing the sentiment of all true consumers in terms of the baffling decision Sony has made to not include Ultra HD Bluray playback on either of those devices.. it's absurd and they are rightfully being called out on it..

That's quite the verbose post, but I can't shake the feeling that something's missing... Oh, yeah, for that $100 more you get roughly TRIPLE the processing power. That seems like something that might be a bit useful in a gaming console. Yeah, no UHD BD player is a bummer, but not the end of the world. If I was in the market for a console, I think I'd prefer the power (and the exclusives, since I have a PC).

Not to say I like it, though. Personally, I'm against these mid-gen upgrades, particularly with Sony. The last 3 generations, Sony released their console and, over time, removed features to bring costs down; thus rewarding early adopters with more capable systems. The only thing this is going to do is make me think twice about being there on day one for the next gen, since it opens the possibility that I could wait a few years and get a more capable machine that already has a good catalogue of exclusives (some of which will be cheap).

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@asylumni: True, that extra horsepower is nice and hopefully devs find meaningful ways of putting it to good use.. But that extra horsepower isn't going to be enough to do native 4K.. It's still going to be upscaled 4K just like on the Xbox One S.. Sure, the PS4 Pro will likely start off at a higher resolution than the XB1S version before the upscaling begins.. But as we've seen currently, in Battlefield games that upscale to 1080p from 900p on PS4 and 720p from Xbox One, the differences in visuals are virtually nonexistent under normal gameplay conditions.. You literally wouldn't be able to tell the difference if it wasn't for Digital Foundry.. The same line of logic will likely hold true for these upscaled 4K titles..

Again, it's all about the message and the value.. "upscaled 4K on both consoles" isn't a headline.. But "native 4K on Project Scorpio vs upscaled 4K on PS4 Pro" is indeed a headline just like "native 1080p on PS4 vs upscaled 1080p on Xbox One" has been a headline since this generation began.. And again, I'd wager that the differences will be mostly visible to only the Digital Foundry team but unless that "TRIPLE the processing power" is enough to run 4K natively, paying an extra $100 for the same thing the Xbox One S can do (upscale to 4K) but without the added 4K content option of an Ultra HD Bluray drive on the Xbox One S is potentially going to be a hard sell for an unbiased 4K HDTV consumer in terms of overall value..

But hey, time will tell, and more than likely the PS4's sales momentum isn't going to slow down.. That still doesn't change the fact that Sony chose not to add obvious value to their "4K console" in favor of potentially trying to sell their PS4 faithful a standalone Sony Ultra HD Bluray player for another $400 on top of their console purchase.. Anyone who applauds this or tries to justify this is delusional.. Plain and simple..