Our the Uh oh, hermits. John Carmack: "PC's not as important as consoles&q

I remember hermits also saying Bioshock was dumbed down console trash yet they praise it when its in their favor.Pretty desperate tactics, these PC fanlads use.Cecil7

NPD had the proper figure of only 14% total max possible market share. PCGA is biased and uncredible. Cecil7

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]Look at the software sales between the two...Cecil7

Really? By how much?

If it did, then that's probably the best argument I've ever heard in the history of System Wars...

I remember hermits also saying Bioshock was dumbed down console trash yet they praise it when its in their favor.

Pretty desperate tactics, these PC fanlads use.

Bioshock was dumbeed down from it's original promised vision. But the PC version is better than the console version. How is that desperate tactics? It's fact. It may be better than the console version, but I'd still play System Shock 2 (a game from 1999) over it any day.

TC really has a way of contorting words.

Without PC's to make the games, true. But it wouldn't matter if there were no PC's for Gaming.

Cecil7

Bioware, who made Baldur's Gate, as well as a slew of xbox hits grew on the pc from nothing. Valve, who made arguably the greatest first person shooter, grew from the pc from nothing. Epic who are about to release the highly anticipated Gears Of Wars 2 to an audience of volatile boys wanting to cut heads off, originated from the pc. Bioshock, critically acclaimed, wouldn't have existed at all if it weren't for a 1999 pc game, many uneducated console players haven't played, called System Shock 2, which in actuality is better, due to it not being streamlined. Fallout 3 wouldn't exist if not for the pc. If you want mainstream games which are casual in comparison to pc, with little depth or input, designed to appeal to the widest audience possible rather than a game designed to appeal to a select few or are into Japanese crap then no, it wont. However, these people and future people, if they were gone or become gone, you will notice.

The PC is getting Quake Live this year, John Carmack has always stated it was favoured game and also stated that if it picks up, that could lead on to better things. I dont think he's lashing out, I think he's just being honest about it, multiplat makes more money,

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] According to the PCGA, the PC accounted for 30% of the entire software sales industry, which includes over five platforms in the year 2007.Cecil7

again though, i'm thinking that might be a handful of PC titles shifting ALOT of software units - so a handful of companies making alot of money. Where as devs as a whole as selling more units on console?

Again this is just a theory. I just don't know why a guy would say this, if he didn't think it. What does he have to gain? unless he is a secret system wars lemming/cow? It just doen't have sense to me. He just think think this/know this to be true?

Thats the thing, there is no PC Gaming market, just a 'software' market. WoW and Photoshop sales for example are included into one number.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]Look at the software sales between the two...Cecil7

Really? By how much?

If it did, then that's probably the best argument I've ever heard in the history of System Wars...

I remember hermits also saying Bioshock was dumbed down console trash yet they praise it when its in their favor.

Pretty desperate tactics, these PC fanlads use.

... Nice Twist there.. :roll:

I remember hermits also saying Bioshock was dumbed down console trash yet they praise it when its in their favor.

Pretty desperate tactics, these PC fanlads use.

Cecil7

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]Maybe the numbers are higher on pc but falling year by year, where as console is a lower number but increasing year by year? Its just this is not the first report I have heard about dropping PC sales.Vandalvideo

Doesn't that article say that it dropped 14% overall though and that console sales have increased? Did I read it wrong?

Doesn't that article say that it dropped 14% overall though and that console sales have increased? Did I read it wrong?angryfodder

If I remember correctly that 30% was just game sales, in USA
mr_mozilla

Lol - USA is the whole world isnt it....to americans?

Is there any figures anywhere, that has world wide figures for major multiplay games this year compared to say 3 years ago?

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]Doesn't that article say that it dropped 14% overall though and that console sales have increased? Did I read it wrong?Vandalvideo

It does backup my theory of a few major titles on PC doing well. aka WOW

However, the contrast sales are amazing

Again, maybe I read it wrong, but PC is selling alost 1 billion units...and console (all together?) sold like 5 million unilts? WTF?

It does backup my theory of a few major titles on PC doing well. aka WOW However, the contrast sales are amazing Again, maybe I read it wrong, but PC is selling alost 1 billion units...and console (all together?) sold like 5 million unilts? WTF?angryfodder

Other sources claim that PC Gaming has been growing much faster than console gaming as well as it making in much more revenue. I guess those statements have been pure Bull all along

Cecil7

You are going to have to explain the logical jump between sentences 1 and 2 for me. That didn't make a bit of sense, perhaps you could clarify it?

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]It does backup my theory of a few major titles on PC doing well. aka WOW However, the contrast sales are amazing Again, maybe I read it wrong, but PC is selling alost 1 billion units...and console (all together?) sold like 5 million unilts? WTF?Vandalvideo

Yeah but are they going up at a higher percentage than console? and is that 30% world wide or america.

Juat trying to seperate "fact" from "a version of fact"

I'm only asking because a few recent reports are backing up patterns that I have seen myself as a gamer of 20 odd years. Recently (last two ish years) I have noticed a large increase in console gamers.

Yeah but are they going up at a higher percentage than console? and is that 30% world wide or america. Juat trying to seperate "fact" from "a version of fact"'m only asking because a few recent reports are backing up patterns that I have seen myself as a gamer of 20 odd years. Recently (last two ish years) I have noticed a large increase in console gamers.angryfodder

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]Yeah but are they going up at a higher percentage than console? and is that 30% world wide or america. Juat trying to seperate "fact" from "a version of fact"'m only asking because a few recent reports are backing up patterns that I have seen myself as a gamer of 20 odd years. Recently (last two ish years) I have noticed a large increase in console gamers.Vandalvideo

8 billion units? What were the big sellers? How many units did they shift?

8 BILLION!? There are only 6.6 billion people on earth - soo thats some serious selling!?

(not taking the mickey...just its a hard number to swallow and I wonder how they get the figures)

8 billion units? What were the big sellers? How many units did they shift?8 BILLION!? There are only 6.6 billion people on earth - soo thats some serious selling!?(not taking the mickey...just its a hard number to swallow and I wonder how they get the figures)angryfodder

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="angryfodder"]Yeah but are they going up at a higher percentage than console? and is that 30% world wide or america. Juat trying to seperate "fact" from "a version of fact"'m only asking because a few recent reports are backing up patterns that I have seen myself as a gamer of 20 odd years. Recently (last two ish years) I have noticed a large increase in console gamers.angryfodder

8 billion units? What were the big sellers? How many units did they shift?

8 BILLION!? There are only 6.6 billion people on earth - soo thats some serious selling!?

(not taking the mickey...just its a hard number to swallow and I wonder how they get the figures)

Im siding with you for once... 8 billion? so much for them not including casual games?

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]8 billion units? What were the big sellers? How many units did they shift?8 BILLION!? There are only 6.6 billion people on earth - soo thats some serious selling!?(not taking the mickey...just its a hard number to swallow and I wonder how they get the figures)Vandalvideo

So console outsold PC by 2 billion?

I've decided figures are confusing and boring

All I want to know is are console sales on a steep increase over the last few years lol

So console outsold PC by 2 billion?I've decided figures are confusing and boring All I want to know is are console sales on a steep increase over the last few years lolangryfodder

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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Who cares what John Carmack thinks? Hermits should only start worrying if someone like Will Wright says this.Vandalvideo

You obviously don't know how important Carmack is to the whole PC industry : (

what hit game series have you developed?

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[QUOTE="primateface"]Console gamers are ruining gaming.PC360Wii

Consoles gamers actually buy their software, they're the ones keeping it alive.

bullcrap...people pirate xbox360 games all the time.

i actually bought all my pc games.

console gamers are killing gaming in general.

because the people dont even know how to pc game.

Look at the software sales between the two...

I'm seriously thinking the Hermits don't have any real arguments.

So the 360 has a HANDFUL of 5+ million sellers, so what? so does the PC in recent years, and dont go sprouting any "SIms and WoW are not games :lol: :lol: :lol:" crap because I will reply with "then what is Halo/gears?..." .

WOTLK , Starcraft, Spore and Diablo will break 5 million each, mark my words.

Name one PC game that sold 5 million copies besides WoW and Sims in recent time? I thought I heard there are over 100 million 8 series video cards sold so games should be selling a lot.

what hit game series have you developed?clone01

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Oh look, its another dinosaur of the industry who failed to adapt to the changing PC market space complaining about teh market. Waaaah Carmack, the PC is the single highest grossing platform.Vandalvideo

Name one PC game that sold 5 million copies besides WoW and Sims in recent time? I thought I heard there are over 100 million 8 series video cards sold so games should be selling a lot. Jamex1987

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]So console outsold PC by 2 billion?I've decided figures are confusing and boring All I want to know is are console sales on a steep increase over the last few years lolVandalvideo

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"][QUOTE="primateface"][QUOTE="Cecil7"]

[QUOTE="primateface"]Console gamers are ruining gaming.Jamex1987

Consoles gamers actually buy their software, they're the ones keeping it alive.

bullcrap...people pirate xbox360 games all the time.

i actually bought all my pc games.

console gamers are killing gaming in general.

because the people dont even know how to pc game.

Look at the software sales between the two...

I'm seriously thinking the Hermits don't have any real arguments.

So the 360 has a HANDFUL of 5+ million sellers, so what? so does the PC in recent years, and dont go sprouting any "SIms and WoW are not games :lol: :lol: :lol:" crap because I will reply with "then what is Halo/gears?..." .

WOTLK , Starcraft, Spore and Diablo will break 5 million each, mark my words.

Name one PC game that sold 5 million copies besides WoW and Sims in recent time? I thought I heard there are over 100 million 8 series video cards sold so games should be selling a lot.

Guild Wars.

[QUOTE="clone01"]what hit game series have you developed?Vandalvideo

answering a question with a question? well, he's doing a new wolfenstein...not exactly groundbreaking, but looks promising. rage is shaping up nicely. but as an aside, he says something that you don't agree with, and you attack his contributions? that's fine if you think he's full of it, but you don't need to resort to personal attacks.

answering a question with a question? well, he's doing a new wolfenstein...not exactly groundbreaking, but looks promising. rage is shaping up nicely. but as an aside, he says something that you don't agree with, and you attack his contributions? that's fine if you think he's full of it, but you don't need to resort to personal attacks.clone01

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]what hit game series have you developed?clone01

answering a question with a question? well, he's doing a new wolfenstein...not exactly groundbreaking, but looks promising. rage is shaping up nicely. but as an aside, he says something that you don't agree with, and you attack his contributions? that's fine if you think he's full of it, but you don't need to resort to personal attacks.

Its more of a case that, hes complaining about a market that hes not even envolved in, when he was last involved in it, his game ( Doom 3 ) was his most successful... so where is the logic in what he writes?

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]what hit game series have you developed?PC360Wii

answering a question with a question? well, he's doing a new wolfenstein...not exactly groundbreaking, but looks promising. rage is shaping up nicely. but as an aside, he says something that you don't agree with, and you attack his contributions? that's fine if you think he's full of it, but you don't need to resort to personal attacks.

Its more of a case that, hes complaining about a market that hes not even envolved in, when he was last involved in it, his game ( Doom 3 ) was his most successful... so where is the logic in what he writes?

hey, that's fine...he can be dead wrong. i'm just saying that Vandal doesn't need to insult the guy to argue his point.

The only hermit who is correct is Carmack himself. All you other kids are just jealous : (Cecil7

Of what? Practically every-game since doom has been multiplat, the pc will still have the superior version and we pc users are getting Quake Live as Carmacks pet project, for free.

The only hermit who is correct is Carmack himself. All you other kids are just jealous : (Cecil7

john carmack is saying pc isnt important...because he makes more money off developing console games than pc now.

because console gamers are killing pc gaming by not being pc gamers also aka manticores.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Who cares what John Carmack thinks? Hermits should only start worrying if someone like Will Wright says this.Cecil7

You obviously don't know how important Carmack is to the whole PC industry : (

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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Who cares what John Carmack thinks? Hermits should only start worrying if someone like Will Wright says this.heretrix

You obviously don't know how important Carmack is to the whole PC industry : (

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]So console outsold PC by 2 billion?I've decided figures are confusing and boring All I want to know is are console sales on a steep increase over the last few years lolVandalvideo

do you have figure for say 3 years aog? I just want to see how the market is/isn't changing

on a side note - and i the ONLY person that thought doom and quake were crap?angryfodder

I never liked Doom or Quake either.

on a side note - and i the ONLY person that thought doom and quake were crap?angryfodder

Quake III rocked. Doom was excellent for it's day.

Let's not bash the guy just because he said something people didn't like. ID are still supporting the pc.

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]on a side note - and i the ONLY person that thought doom and quake were crap?PC360Wii

I never liked Doom or Quake either.

I liked doom and doom 2 and some of the quakes but not the others where they tried to put to much of a story in and took the shooting and running and gunning that made it great .

on a side note - and i the ONLY person that thought doom and quake were crap?angryfodder

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="angryfodder"]So console outsold PC by 2 billion?I've decided figures are confusing and boring All I want to know is are console sales on a steep increase over the last few years lolangryfodder

do you have figure for say 3 years aog? I just want to see how the market is/isn't changing

[QUOTE="Cecil7"]The only hermit who is correct is Carmack himself. All you other kids are just jealous : (primateface

john carmack is saying pc isnt important...because he makes more money off developing console games than pc now.

because console gamers are killing pc gaming by not being pc gamers also aka manticores.

Well consoles are better dedicated gaming platforms, PC's are nice, but for gaming its a bit of a pain.

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[QUOTE="Cecil7"]The only hermit who is correct is Carmack himself. All you other kids are just jealous : (Cecil7

john carmack is saying pc isnt important...because he makes more money off developing console games than pc now.

because console gamers are killing pc gaming by not being pc gamers also aka manticores.

Well consoles are better dedicated gaming platforms, PC's are nice, but for gaming its a bit of a pain.

Opinion's are great.

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[QUOTE="Cecil7"]The only hermit who is correct is Carmack himself. All you other kids are just jealous : (Cecil7

john carmack is saying pc isnt important...because he makes more money off developing console games than pc now.

because console gamers are killing pc gaming by not being pc gamers also aka manticores.

Well consoles are better dedicated gaming platforms, PC's are nice, but for gaming its a bit of a pain.

Depends..i love having the choice of costmizing my system to fit my need and making games look good..then getting mods that make me enjoy the game much longer than its supposed to..Consoles are good at what they do but i need a multimedia machine..not somthing that just sits there and plays games..i need to do alot more than that to justfity 400+ for a console..

on a side note - and i the ONLY person that thought doom and quake were crap?angryfodder