Pachter: GTA 4 DLC hasn't sold as hoped.

and that's why M$ and Rockstar refuse to release sales numbers according to Pachter.

http://www.vg247.com/2009/03/26/gdc-rockstar-should-have-had-more-realistic-expectations-for-the-lost-and-damned-says-patcher/

"I just don't think it has met their expectations, and it would have been better if they had set their expectations realistically."

Pachter opined that the Live attach rate is one of the reasons The Lost and Damned hadn't hit the intended mark.

"The main reason is because not too many Xbox 360 owners are hooked up to Xbox Live," he said.

"100 percent of GTA IV owners are not hooked up to XBL. Therefore by definition, not every single person who owns GTA IV has Xbox Live. Because of this, I don't think the numbers were as high as they had hoped for.

Uh huh

still doesn't change the fact it's not on PS3 and it's FREAKING AWESOME!!!! :P

Maybe if it wasn't so damn expensive as a DLC. I know it's a big one, but seriously, Microsoft drops the ball when it comes down to pricing DLC.

Pachter's back... man I really hate that guy

oh right we all should listen to what this Patcher guy say just like how he say "this gen will be the last gen for consoles"

Maybe if it wasn't so damn expensive as a DLC. I know it's a big one, but seriously, Microsoft drops the ball when it comes down to pricing DLC.

Legendaryscmt

He's got a point. The game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and the 360. Unlike PS3, you have to pay for the online service Xbox Live, so right off the bat that eliminates some of your potential market for DLC on the 360.

Its still awesome though, disappointing sales do not change that-DrRobotnik-

Maybe if it wasn't so damn expensive as a DLC. I know it's a big one, but seriously, Microsoft drops the ball when it comes down to pricing DLC.

Legendaryscmt

He's got a point. The game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and the 360. Unlike PS3, you have to pay for the online service Xbox Live, so right off the bat that eliminates some of your potential market for DLC on the 360.

lolfaqs

Well that pretty much confirms it....GTA4 DLC has massively exceeded sales expectations :twisted:

Pachter:lol:

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Its still awesome though, disappointing sales do not change thatDahaka-UK

He's got a point. The game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and the 360. Unlike PS3, you have to pay for the online service Xbox Live, so right off the bat that eliminates some of your potential market for DLC on the 360.

lolfaqs

Maybe if it wasn't so damn expensive as a DLC. I know it's a big one, but seriously, Microsoft drops the ball when it comes down to pricing DLC.

Legendaryscmt

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

He's got a point. The game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and the 360. Unlike PS3, you have to pay for the online service Xbox Live, so right off the bat that eliminates some of your potential market for DLC on the 360.

-RocBoys9489-

since when do they release numbers for DLC thoughyoyo462001

He's got a point. The game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and the 360. Unlike PS3, you have to pay for the online service Xbox Live, so right off the bat that eliminates some of your potential market for DLC on the 360.

lolfaqs

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]since when do they release numbers for DLC thoughZhengi

Exactly, everyone knows M$ would be blabbing about the numbers if it sold as hoped. Since it obviously hasn't, I think we might see the end of M$ buying exclusive DLC for $50 million.

I hate Pachter and it should of been a stand alone not a addon

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Its still awesome though, disappointing sales do not change thatDahaka-UK

He's got a point. The game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and the 360. Unlike PS3, you have to pay for the online service Xbox Live, so right off the bat that eliminates some of your potential market for DLC on the 360.

lolfaqs

Does he even know what they were expecting though? He just basically says "I don't think it sold what they were expecting"... Yet we have no real proof for or against his point... Wonderful world of being an analyst I guess

He's got a point. The game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and the 360. Unlike PS3, you have to pay for the online service Xbox Live, so right off the bat that eliminates some of your potential market for DLC on the 360.

lolfaqs

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Its still awesome though, disappointing sales do not change thatII-FBIsniper-II

They have to pay that 50 million back to Microsoft though, out of the revenue made

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

He's got a point. The game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and the 360. Unlike PS3, you have to pay for the online service Xbox Live, so right off the bat that eliminates some of your potential market for DLC on the 360.

lundy86_4

Does he even know what they were expecting though? He just basically says "I don't think it sold what they were expecting"... Yet we have no real proof for or against his point... Wonderful world of being an analyst I guess

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Its still awesome though, disappointing sales do not change thatII-FBIsniper-II

What an idiot. The DLC has sold over a million. What is he expecting really?

Awesome

So he's taking a guess and actually got someone to guess along with him

Well that's just fantastic

Who needs facts these days when we can just guess?

I guess GTA DLC sold 40 million units. I mean there's over 40 million people in the world so it's completely possible.

What an idiot. The DLC has sold over a million. What is he expecting really?

JangoWuzHere

If it sold 1 million, that's only $20 million in revenue. M$ paid $50 million just to secure it as an exclusive.

-_-

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

What an idiot. The DLC has sold over a million. What is he expecting really?

lolfaqs

If it sold 1 million, that's only $20 million in revenue. M$ paid $50 million just to secure it as an exclusive.

-_-

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

What an idiot. The DLC has sold over a million. What is he expecting really?

lolfaqs

If it sold 1 million, that's only $20 million in revenue. M$ paid $50 million just to secure it as an exclusive.

-_-

still doesn't change the fact it's not on PS3 and it's FREAKING AWESOME!!!! :P

-RocBoys9489-

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

What an idiot. The DLC has sold over a million. What is he expecting really?

lolfaqs

If it sold 1 million, that's only $20 million in revenue. M$ paid $50 million just to secure it as an exclusive.

-_-

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

What an idiot. The DLC has sold over a million. What is he expecting really?

-RocBoys9489-

If it sold 1 million, that's only $20 million in revenue. M$ paid $50 million just to secure it as an exclusive.

-_-

and you know that Take Two confirmed that the game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and 350 and, thus, hasn't been a system seller despite M$ having exclusive DLC for it, right?

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

What an idiot. The DLC has sold over a million. What is he expecting really?

lolfaqs

If it sold 1 million, that's only $20 million in revenue. M$ paid $50 million just to secure it as an exclusive.

-_-

He's got a point. The game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and the 360. Unlike PS3, you have to pay for the online service Xbox Live, so right off the bat that eliminates some of your potential market for DLC on the 360.

lolfaqs

He doesn't have a point. He is quite possibly the dumbest analyst ever.Forget your silly error of confusing gold/silver & downloading....and examine Pachter's actual logic.

Not everyone with a 360 is on live. Therefore, OMG....not every 360 owner with GTA4 could/would download the DLC. Therefore, OMG MS' estimates were over-inflated because of this.

THINK ABOUT THAT. ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT IT.

Apparently he thinks MS woke up and ooops....holy smokes....we thought every 360 was on live. Like it was a surprise!!!!!! OMG how did we ever screw that up!!! Jesus, Pachter is a moron...you would think that MS might actually know how many XBL accounts there are and might actually be able to divide that into their total sales.

They may or may not have met sales targets but it sure the heck isn't because they just woke up and realized that not everyone is on XBL.

Pachter = Moron

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

If it sold 1 million, that's only $20 million in revenue. M$ paid $50 million just to secure it as an exclusive.

-_-

lolfaqs

and you know that Take Two confirmed that the game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and 350 and, thus, hasn't been a system seller despite M$ having exclusive DLC for it, right?

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

If it sold 1 million, that's only $20 million in revenue. M$ paid $50 million just to secure it as an exclusive.

-_-

lolfaqs

and you know that Take Two confirmed that the game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and 350 and, thus, hasn't been a system seller despite M$ having exclusive DLC for it, right?

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Maybe if it wasn't so damn expensive as a DLC. I know it's a big one, but seriously, Microsoft drops the ball when it comes down to pricing DLC.

SpinoRaptor24

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] You know revenue can show up in other areas, right? i.e. the actual GTAIV game or Xbox consoles sold.-RocBoys9489-

and you know that Take Two confirmed that the game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and 350 and, thus, hasn't been a system seller despite M$ having exclusive DLC for it, right?

The year is still going, but guess how many 360s and PS3s were sold in 2008: over 10 million each. Yup, despite PS3 costing twice at much, it sold about the same amount of consoles in 2008 as the 360.

Pachter's wrong. It has been more successful than Killzone 2 in the sales department. I think that's pretty nice.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"][QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Maybe if it wasn't so damn expensive as a DLC. I know it's a big one, but seriously, Microsoft drops the ball when it comes down to pricing DLC.

imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"][QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Maybe if it wasn't so damn expensive as a DLC. I know it's a big one, but seriously, Microsoft drops the ball when it comes down to pricing DLC.

imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

and you know that Take Two confirmed that the game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and 350 and, thus, hasn't been a system seller despite M$ having exclusive DLC for it, right?

lolfaqs

The year is still going, but guess how many 360s and PS3s were sold in 2008: over 10 million each. Yup, despite PS3 costing twice at much, it sold about the same amount of consoles in 2008 as the 360.

[QUOTE="lolfaqs"]

He's got a point. The game sold about 50/50 on PS3 and the 360. Unlike PS3, you have to pay for the online service Xbox Live, so right off the bat that eliminates some of your potential market for DLC on the 360.

-RocBoys9489-

I want to ask an off topic question about that: Do Gold subscribers get access to better servers? I downloaded The Lost and Damned on my brother's 360 (he doesn't have internet access) and it took nearly 4 hours. I know it's a huge file, but when I download demos on my Gold account, they don't seem to take very long at all, even the bigger ones.

On topic: I'm sure it sold plenty, and as for Pachter... he's usually more wrong than he is right. There could be other reasons they haven't released sales figures.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"][QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Maybe if it wasn't so damn expensive as a DLC. I know it's a big one, but seriously, Microsoft drops the ball when it comes down to pricing DLC.

imprezawrx500