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#101 AnimeHendrix
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Macs. Are. Terrible.
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#102 musicalmac  Moderator
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Macs. Are. Terrible.AnimeHendrix
As proven by your avatar :P  This thread has convinced me that nobody knows anything about Apple's computers (except for a few of your ;) )
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#103 KillaHalo2o9
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91% of computer users use Windows.
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#104 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]Macs. Are. Terrible.musicalmac
As proven by your avatar :P This thread has convinced me that nobody knows anything about Apple's computers (except for a few of your ;) )

I own a Mac for certain things but honestly, I greatly prefer Windows. My points are valid still because it IS 100% possible to make a virus for a Mac. Infact, its probably easier to hack a Mac because it has less built in protection. Thats just the nature of Macs. They are much better for video editing and multimedia purposes though.

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] More user friendly, faster OS, no viruses, easy navigation (dock and expose), and just generally more enjoyable to use.horrowhip

gimme 20 minutes and I could write code for a virus in OS X that would screw over your entire system. The only reason it "doesn't have viruses" is because none of the guys that make viruses even bother with Mac's because nobody has them. If they even held a 5% market share, you would see viruses. Simple as that. Trust me, OS X is not invulnerable to viruses as Macintosh wants everyone to believe....

I'm glad no one can be bothered. It still means no viruses for me...
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]Macs. Are. Terrible.horrowhip

As proven by your avatar :P This thread has convinced me that nobody knows anything about Apple's computers (except for a few of your ;) )

I own a Mac for certain things but honestly, I greatly prefer Windows. My points are valid still because it IS 100% possible to make a virus for a Mac. Infact, its probably easier to hack a Mac because it has less built in protection. Thats just the nature of Macs. They are much better for video editing and multimedia purposes though.

If you don't know, don't speculate, especially regarding security issues. Bill Gates himself once said the Mac is hacked every day, and that he dared anyone to TRY and do that to Windows. The tech world was stunned into silence after that statement, because it was so unbelievably ridiculous. You don't want to mirror that statement ;)
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#107 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] More user friendly, faster OS, no viruses, easy navigation (dock and expose), and just generally more enjoyable to use.SolidSnake35

gimme 20 minutes and I could write code for a virus in OS X that would screw over your entire system. The only reason it "doesn't have viruses" is because none of the guys that make viruses even bother with Mac's because nobody has them. If they even held a 5% market share, you would see viruses. Simple as that. Trust me, OS X is not invulnerable to viruses as Macintosh wants everyone to believe....

I'm glad no one can be bothered. It still means no viruses for me...

Feels good, aye? Plus, Apple's market share is 8.1%. Just FYI. This goes back around to my whole, "Many of you are oblivious to the Apple world"
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#108 SolidSnake35
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Just FYI. This goes back around to my whole, "Many of you are oblivious to the Apple world"musicalmac
For example, most haters still think Macs only have one mouse button. :P
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#109 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]Macs. Are. Terrible.musicalmac

As proven by your avatar :P This thread has convinced me that nobody knows anything about Apple's computers (except for a few of your ;) )

I own a Mac for certain things but honestly, I greatly prefer Windows. My points are valid still because it IS 100% possible to make a virus for a Mac. Infact, its probably easier to hack a Mac because it has less built in protection. Thats just the nature of Macs. They are much better for video editing and multimedia purposes though.

If you don't know, don't speculate, especially regarding security issues. Bill Gates himself once said the Mac is hacked every day, and that he dared anyone to TRY and do that to Windows. The tech world was stunned into silence after that statement, because it was so unbelievably ridiculous. You don't want to mirror that statement ;)

I am not saying that, any OS is prone to viruses as it is impossible to prevent that... What I am saying is there are more barriers built directly into Windows. Ifa hackerwas just as familiar with OS X as they are with Windows, THEORETICALLY OS X is easier to hack because it has less protection. Thing is because Mac's don't hold a large enough market share, hackers have no reason to learn how to hack OS X. It IS possible, but right now very few know OS X as deeply as Windows. It's as simple as that. Microsoft had to build lots of protection into Vista because viruses are a problem. Technically, Vista is tough to hack. Thing is, it is possible and once someone finds out how, thanks to the internet, everyone knows how to... Just wanted to clarify that.

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Just FYI. This goes back around to my whole, "Many of you are oblivious to the Apple world"SolidSnake35
For example, most haters still think Macs only have one mouse button. :P

My favorite so far, is that macs less secure than windows machines.
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#111 horrowhip
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Feels good, aye? Plus, Apple's market share is 8.1%. Just FYI. This goes back around to my whole, "Many of you are oblivious to the Apple world"musicalmac

ever heard of exageration for emphasis? Yes? No?

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Just FYI. This goes back around to my whole, "Many of you are oblivious to the Apple world"musicalmac
For example, most haters still think Macs only have one mouse button. :P

My favorite so far, is that macs less secure than windows machines.

Its not that Macs are more secure, its just that theres less incentive to hack such a small user base.
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#113 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Just FYI. This goes back around to my whole, "Many of you are oblivious to the Apple world"Vandalvideo
For example, most haters still think Macs only have one mouse button. :P

My favorite so far, is that macs less secure than windows machines.

Its not that Macs are more secure, its just that theres less incentive to hack such a small user base.

It is that they are more secure. Unix FTW. Darwin, no less. It's just a double bonus that people don't focus on it.
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I am quite satisfied with Windows Vista on mylaptop. Vista may have had compatibility problems when it first came out, but due to numerous updates, most of them are resolved. I have plugged many devices into my laptop without any need to install drivers. Its just plug and play. I seriously cannot understand why so many people complain about compatibility with Vista when I have not experienced problems with it.I have seensome websites speakdoom and gloom about Vista, but it hasn't affected me.Oh, and for the record, Windows XP had more issues when it came out. Mac OSX is also very good, whileLinux on the other hand was a nightmare for me when I used Ubuntu and Fedora. Never want to touch Linux again. Vista and Mac OSX all the way :)

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#115 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"] It is that they are more secure. Unix FTW. Darwin, no less. It's just a double bonus that people don't focus on it.

Well we can't really say for sure, but you can bet that the mac would get cracked in a day if the user base was there and the incentive for phishing expeditions presented itself.
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I am quite satisfied with Windows Vista on mylaptop. Vista may have had compatibility problems when it first came out, but due to numerous updates, most of them are resolved. I have plugged many devices into my laptop without any need to install drivers. Its just plug and play. I seriously cannot understand why so many people complain about compatibility with Vista when I have not experienced problems with it.I have seensome websites speakdoom and gloom about Vista, but it hasn't affected me.Oh, and for the record, Windows XP had more issues when it came out. Mac OSX is also very good, whileLinux on the other hand was a nightmare for me when I used Ubuntu and Fedora. Never want to touch Linux again. Vista and Mac OSX all the way :)

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[QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]Macs. Are. Terrible.musicalmac
As proven by your avatar :P  This thread has convinced me that nobody knows anything about Apple's computers (except for a few of your ;) )

I like robots. Regardless, I don't like Macs, they have a condescending tone to computing and the user.

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Its not that Macs are more secure, its just that theres less incentive to hack such a small user base.Vandalvideo

exactly... and thats exactly what I was saying. I have taken several Computer Science courses and I know programming. I also know Mac's. Honestly, if a talented hacker wanted to he could devastate Macs. Thing is, it is just as possible with PC's. My point is, Macs aren't more secure because no OS can EVER be secure. The fact that it is advertised as "Immune" to viruses is blatant false advertising.

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#120 musicalmac  Moderator
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I like robots. Regardless, I don't like Macs, they have a condescending tone to computing and the user.

AnimeHendrix
Very confusing. You like robots, but hate macs, so you use the APPLE PROGRAM Automator's icon as an avatar :? And your stereotyping is very, very broad.
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#121 albi321
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Just FYI. This goes back around to my whole, "Many of you are oblivious to the Apple world"Vandalvideo
For example, most haters still think Macs only have one mouse button. :P

My favorite so far, is that macs less secure than windows machines.

Its not that Macs are more secure, its just that theres less incentive to hack such a small user base.

proof---------->http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/ These guys found a new way to hack a mac everyday for a month.

EDIT: Spelling/ gramar errors.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Its not that Macs are more secure, its just that theres less incentive to hack such a small user base.horrowhip

exactly... and thats exactly what I was saying. I have taken several Computer Science courses and I know programming. I also know Mac's. Honestly, if a talented hacker wanted to he could devastate Macs. Thing is, it is just as possible with PC's. My point is, Macs aren't more secure because no OS can EVER be secure. The fact that it is advertised as "Immune" to viruses is blatant false advertising.

The small userbase makes them temporarily immune to viruses. ^_^
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#123 Runningflame570
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Running Linux here and I'll still probably pick up Unreal Tournament 3. Mac is even more restrictive than Windows, even if its based in part off of things like FreeBSD.
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#124 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="Supernova_86"]

I am quite satisfied with Windows Vista on mylaptop. Vista may have had compatibility problems when it first came out, but due to numerous updates, most of them are resolved. I have plugged many devices into my laptop without any need to install drivers. Its just plug and play. I seriously cannot understand why so many people complain about compatibility with Vista when I have not experienced problems with it.I have seensome websites speakdoom and gloom about Vista, but it hasn't affected me.Oh, and for the record, Windows XP had more issues when it came out. Mac OSX is also very good, whileLinux on the other hand was a nightmare for me when I used Ubuntu and Fedora. Never want to touch Linux again. Vista and Mac OSX all the way :)

musicalmac

Vista still doesn't run any of the old games I want it to.

thats a fact of life with a drastic rebuild of the OS code... Besides, its not like it is all that difficult to dual boot. Infact, Vista has a built in hard-drive partitioner making dual-booting easier than ever....

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#125 iMacBot
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I got a Mac with OS 10 Tiger, but I don't use it for gaming, I got my "PWNZOR" PlayStation 3 for that. I use my Mac for school, music, Internet and the likes. I also use my dad's PC for exclusive PC games, he's got a mean machine with Vista, which isn't all that bad actually, people just don't know how to use it, although Microsoft should have waited for it to be more stable.
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#126 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Its not that Macs are more secure, its just that theres less incentive to hack such a small user base.SolidSnake35

exactly... and thats exactly what I was saying. I have taken several Computer Science courses and I know programming. I also know Mac's. Honestly, if a talented hacker wanted to he could devastate Macs. Thing is, it is just as possible with PC's. My point is, Macs aren't more secure because no OS can EVER be secure. The fact that it is advertised as "Immune" to viruses is blatant false advertising.

The small userbase makes them temporarily immune to viruses. ^_^

sure.... if thats what you call it. I call it "Macs aren't good enough for hackers to care."

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#127 musicalmac  Moderator
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These guys found a new way to hack a month everyday for a month.

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Haven't you read all the earlier responses? No OS is safe, but claiming you're just as safe using a Windows machine as you are an Apple machine, is ridiculous.
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#128 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="albi321"]

These guys found a new way to hack a month everyday for a month.

musicalmac
Haven't you read all the earlier responses? No OS is safe, but claiming you're just as safe using a Windows machine as you are an Apple machine, is ridiculous.

Primarly because of the larger incentive to hack Windows machines, not because the operating system is innately riskier.
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#129 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Its not that Macs are more secure, its just that theres less incentive to hack such a small user base.horrowhip

exactly... and thats exactly what I was saying. I have taken several Computer Science courses and I know programming. I also know Mac's. Honestly, if a talented hacker wanted to he could devastate Macs. Thing is, it is just as possible with PC's. My point is, Macs aren't more secure because no OS can EVER be secure. The fact that it is advertised as "Immune" to viruses is blatant false advertising.

The small userbase makes them temporarily immune to viruses. ^_^

sure.... if thats what you call it. I call it "Macs aren't good enough for hackers to care."

And who cares what hackers think is good?
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#130 AnimeHendrix
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[QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]

I like robots. Regardless, I don't like Macs, they have a condescending tone to computing and the user.

musicalmac

Very confusing. You like robots, but hate macs, so you use the APPLE PROGRAM Automator's icon as an avatar :? And your stereotyping is very, very broad.

Stereotyping what? A computer? Macs are condescending.

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#131 albi321
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[QUOTE="albi321"]

These guys found a new way to hack a month everyday for a month.

musicalmac

Haven't you read all the earlier responses? No OS is safe, but claiming you're just as safe using a Windows machine as you are an Apple machine, is ridiculous.

I scan through the responses really quicly I don't read pages and pages of responses, I have been using Windows on my laptop for a good 2.5 years now haven't gotten 1 virus. Most people that get viruses don't know how to use a computer or get lazy.

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macs are amazing, just not for games. though with the intel chips, games are going to be showing up more on macs like Starcraft 2, Rage, ect.

and, Mac OS X Leopard on friday, going to be awesome.

oh and by the way, no bias here. I have both a Macbook Pro and a Dell Insperon laptop.

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#133 AnimeHendrix
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[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Its not that Macs are more secure, its just that theres less incentive to hack such a small user base.SolidSnake35

exactly... and thats exactly what I was saying. I have taken several Computer Science courses and I know programming. I also know Mac's. Honestly, if a talented hacker wanted to he could devastate Macs. Thing is, it is just as possible with PC's. My point is, Macs aren't more secure because no OS can EVER be secure. The fact that it is advertised as "Immune" to viruses is blatant false advertising.

The small userbase makes them temporarily immune to viruses. ^_^

sure.... if thats what you call it. I call it "Macs aren't good enough for hackers to care."

And who cares what hackers think is good?

Hacking is to find a weak spot in a computer or network. Cracking is when you exploit that weakness. You should always care what hackers think.

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#134 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]sure.... if thats what you call it. I call it "Macs aren't good enough for hackers to care."AnimeHendrix
And who cares what hackers think is good?

Hacking is to find a weak spot in a computer or network. Cracking is when you exploit that weakness. You should always care what hackers think.

I'm pretty sure the guy I quoted was thinking the same way that I was.
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]

I like robots. Regardless, I don't like Macs, they have a condescending tone to computing and the user.

AnimeHendrix

Very confusing. You like robots, but hate macs, so you use the APPLE PROGRAM Automator's icon as an avatar :? And your stereotyping is very, very broad.

Stereotyping what? A computer? Macs are condescending.

Were you honestly unaware that was an Apple icon? :lol: Not to be mean, but that's humorous. There are lots of robots out there for you.

macs are amazing, just not for games. though with the intel chips, games are going to be showing up more on macs like Starcraft 2, Rage, ect.

and, Mac OS X Leopard on friday, going to be awesome.

oh and by the way, no bias here. I have both a Macbook Pro and a Dell Insperon laptop.

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Have mine pre-ordered- it's going to be in the mail Friday :D
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#136 horrowhip
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I'm pretty sure the guy I quoted was thinking the same way that I was.SolidSnake35

not really... Microsoft hires hackers to try and break their OS so they can make it less prone to weakness. Thing is, there are literally millions of ways you can hack a computer. Computers are odd that way, change one thing and everything can go wrong.

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#137 TreetarD93
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this is a dum thread, what the hell does it matter what operating system you use?
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#138 AnimeHendrix
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[QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]

I like robots. Regardless, I don't like Macs, they have a condescending tone to computing and the user.

musicalmac

Very confusing. You like robots, but hate macs, so you use the APPLE PROGRAM Automator's icon as an avatar :? And your stereotyping is very, very broad.

Stereotyping what? A computer? Macs are condescending.

Were you honestly unaware that was an Apple icon? :lol: Not to be mean, but that's humorous. There are lots of robots out there for you.

macs are amazing, just not for games. though with the intel chips, games are going to be showing up more on macs like Starcraft 2, Rage, ect.

and, Mac OS X Leopard on friday, going to be awesome.

oh and by the way, no bias here. I have both a Macbook Pro and a Dell Insperon laptop.

FlawlessSeasons

Have mine pre-ordered- it's going to be in the mail Friday :D

Yeah, I feel silly. I had a suspicion, but it looked nice. Apple has very good aesthetics. Regardless, they are condescending.

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#139 musicalmac  Moderator
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Yeah, I feel silly. I had a suspicion, but it looked nice. Apple has very good aesthetics. Regardless, they are condescending.

AnimeHendrix
No worries, we all do silly thing. Don't let that make u miss out on your formerly sweet avatar! Why do you say Macs are condescending?
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[QUOTE="Hitamaru-homia"]No one uses MAC OS,cause it doesn't support many Graphic cards,and its OS doesnt have something called "Alt+crtl+Delete",Plus the mouse only has one button... WTF! You go to XP if you want. Plus Vista is compatible with XP games,but you have to have like 1 gig of ram to run games that uses 512mb. -.-... Its a double Edge sword.Willy105

I thought it had 7 buttons. :(

The amount of buttons on my mouse is OVER NINE-THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAND!!!!!

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#141 Slurms_M
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I could have a

PS3 + Mac

But not

Mac + Windows?

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#142 Cali3350
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PC Gamers can boot Ubuntu and Download Compiz - which makes a BETTER desktop then OSX, on the UNIX kernal like OSX, with Open source software CHEAPER then OSX.

OSX rules! :rolleyes:

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#143 AnimeHendrix
Member since 2006 • 2595 Posts
[QUOTE="AnimeHendrix"]

Yeah, I feel silly. I had a suspicion, but it looked nice. Apple has very good aesthetics. Regardless, they are condescending.

musicalmac

No worries, we all do silly thing. Don't let that make u miss out on your formerly sweet avatar! Why do you say Macs are condescending?

Having used Debian, Slackware, Suse, Arch, and the many other Linux distrubutions, along with Windows derivatives since 3.1 and Mac OS 9 and OSX, the nature of a Mac is very much geared to those who are computer inept. Granted, if you wanted to dig deeper, you could. But the availibility of tinkering isn't there. Now, I like Windows even less than Macs, don't misunderstand, but to me there just two evils. Linux in all of its distros was made, advanced, and put forward through the efforts of the community of programmers and what programmers wanted.

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#144 Wartzay
Member since 2006 • 2036 Posts

PC Gamers don't get Mac OSX

PC Gamers don't want Mac OSX

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#145 Runningflame570
Member since 2005 • 10388 Posts
[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

windows is just built up from fail

squirrel337

Windows Blackcomb is built from the ground up.

I'll believe it when I see it, Vista was supposed to be as well instead its built from the MAFIAA up. Microsoft has a longer history of overpromising and underdelivering than any company I know.

If Blackcomb has no system user, no problems with fragmentation, ditches the registry, and halves the system requirements compared to Vista then it will be equivalent to its competition in the most basic senses but that isn't something I consider likely to be the case.

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horrowhip

This is so wrong that I'm going to have to break it down piece by piece.

"that is so wrong its not even funny.... The only reason Windows has viruses is because all of the hackers and programmers know tricks to get around the system. Thing is, Windows has LAYERS UPON LAYERS of Anti-Virus protection built in. OS X and Linux don't."

Windows has no anti-virus software built in as far as I'm aware, it has a firewall but its poor compared to even most of the free ones out there.

"Techinically, its a thousand times easier to hack into OS X than it is to get through Windows, but through trial and error, people have figured out Windows and can hack it easier. Honestly, if a hacker was given a week, maybe two weeks, he could literally destroy a Mac with viruses."

Maybe, but I've yet to see any study that says as much even from their competitors. Macs are patched much more quickly than Windows is as well, so theres less of a chance for viruses to impact the system. Linux is the same, in fact with Linux every piece of software you install gets automatic updates and they are entirely optional to install (no secret updates).

"Windows gets a bad rep because its the most popular and therefore has more people ready to tear it down but it is honestly the best OS."

Windows has:

1. System user - a hidden user most people don't even know exists, huge target for malware.

2. Fragmentation - Linux solved this problem as of early-2001, before Windows XP was even released

3. System requirements - Windows has consistently required more hardware resources than competitors

4. Virtualization - Virtualization does exist for Windows, however it has been around for less time and is inferior to the competition.

"People need to understand that and realize Microsoft isn't out there to "Steal" your money with a crappy OS. They hire the BEST programmers around and go through millions of hours of QA and debugging. The fact that 99.9% of computers run on it only amplifies the chances of a bug being found and having those people complain."

Microsoft has in the past and continues to engage in unethical or illegal business practices to protect and expand their monopoly, fortunately its no longer working very well. Their corporate culture like their OS is restrictive and inefficient causing many things to take far longer than necessary and thus delaying substantive improvements.

"Vista is honestly the BEST OS I have ever used considering its age. It is just as stable as XP at this point and has very few issues. Just because there is a vocal minority that complains out the arse, doesn't mean Windows Vista sucks. Just need to point this out to EVERYONE. Vista is built differently from former Windows OS's, and people screw it up because they treat it like an old OS... If you use Vista properly, it is easier to use and much faster than XP."

1. Vista has numerous privacy concerns over XP, these same concerns (DRM and spyware) chew up CPU and GPU time for no good reason.

2. Vista has more than doubled system requirements over XP.

3. UAC is a poorly implemented security measure that is less effective and more obnoxious and frequent than similar system which have existed elsewhere for better than a decade.

4. One of the big criticisms of Vista is its laggardly performance over XP.

"Games only have issues because drivers suck at the moment but nVidia is going to fix before Crysis which is their marker for the latest time they can release stable drivers... Vista requires more resources because of its built in functions that honestly, I now consider necessary. Aero is extremely complex code wise, and the Side-Bar requires tons of resources because of the way it functions. Turn those two things off, and Vista runs on fewer resources than XP."

There is absolutely no indication that everything Aero does couldn't be done better with fewer system resources. Project Looking Glass which is superior to Vista eye-candy wise (which Vista BTW ripped off) requires less system requirements running on Windows, Compiz is far more efficient and better looking, Metisse is more efficient as well..see a pattern there?

The same is absolutely true of Vista's sidebar as well, it is very inefficient compared to Gnome panels, KDE widgets, Mac widgets, or whatever else you want to compare it to.

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#147 GP1mil
Member since 2006 • 994 Posts

Gates just takes chunks of other O/S and pieces them together to make a new Windows, they even jacked Apple's GUI from the beginning to put into Windows, to get away from DOS and command line. Vista Aero??? Linux distros have been doing that like years before Vista even hit the scene. Vista sidebar??? Oh wait Linux once again with the Gnome panel.

Microsoft just jacks pices of software and then says its "new" and "revolutionary"

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#148 coolviper2003
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Educate yourself please, there are linux based OS's that can play windows games. A console is nothing more then a watered down, non upgradable,poor excuse for a PC. Why can't PC gamers choose what OS they want again if "consoles can do it"?
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#149 AnimeHendrix
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[QUOTE="007_jamesbond"]Too bad all you PC gamers are marooned in Windows Vista, if you game on a console you can choose your OS.farrell2k

Eh, are you praising Mac OSX, a GNU/Linux variant? The PCs have those too, you know. Oh yeah! I wanted to mention that most GNU/Linux variants are FREE on the PC. Not to mention that some are much better than MAC OSX...

Oh, well. Think whatever you want, though. It makes no difference.

Seconded. Without FSF and Open Source movement, I wonder where the Mac OS would have gone after Mac OS 9.

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#150 Madsucktion
Member since 2003 • 2079 Posts

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

The truth about mac users

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Quoted for it's infinite "truthiness"