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#151 Skittles_McGee
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[QUOTE="dom2000"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="dom2000"]

Im a pc gamer but come lets be honest, with the exception of a handful of games...pc does not look that significantly better than consoles, the difference is definitely not as big as it should be. Just look at the comparison pics on this thread.....pc clearly looks sharper due to a higher resolution and runs better but thats just about it. No big night and day difference that some users here seem to claim. I really cant see how anyone can deny this... A non gamer would probably not even notice any difference at all!

You also get things like higher texture resolution, higher AA and AF etc. Depending on the game, many multiplats may not use certain aspects that are possible. However look at games like Metro 2033 -- the difference between the console and max on PC is not even close, and i'm talking a huge difference.

Metro is one of the handful of games that i was talking about that looks significantly better than anything consoles can offer. But for the vast majority of multiplats the difference is not that significant! The higher resolution just corresponds to a cleaner look! That is it! Animation is not better, models dont look better and theres no (apart from a few games) significant difference in special effects. When i got a ps3 and compared mw2 to my pc version I was actually very surprised how similar both games look.

Incorrect. Most of the time the console version of a game has very little anisotropic filtering or anti aliasing, and often none at all. PC's on the other hand, can use a ton of both. That makes a pretty big difference.
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#152 darx55
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Lets put it this way. Pre Built PC video cards are generations ahead of anything on consoles. Even standard laptops have better GPU's than consoles.Nonstop-Madness
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#153 streetridaz
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wow it makes me laugh reading these threads nowbecause I used to be a console guy and thought it was so expensive to build a nice computer to run games and blah blah. Let me just say that PC games looks amazingly better then any console game including multiplats and the people who say
"you have to spend 2000-3000 dollarsfor a top gaming pc" is just as oblivious as I used to be until i learned how easy it was to build my own rig. I've got like 1300 into my rig right now but I also run eyefinity with three 22" monitors and I can max any game even at a resolution of 5468x1050.

on a side note I have a 700 dollar laptop that runs BFBC2 on all high and 2xAA & 16xAF at 1366x768 and it looks way better then xbox 360 version at 1680x1050. I've put them side to side. Thats what convinced my buddy to switch to PC gaming.

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#154 lowe0
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[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

From what videos I see on pc games,they dont look much better than console games. I think pc gaming graphics look better when a new generation of consoles come out. What do you think?

Whiteblade999

Play Arma 2 or Metro maxed out at a high resolution, you won't question the power of the platform again.

Define "maxed out" with respect to ARMA II - Very High, or all sliders maxed? If the former, done. If the latter, that's not gonna happen on any current hardware.
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#155 stiggy321
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Even games such as RE5 show a pretty big difference:

http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/7/1/2/8/5/6/360_2.jpg.jpghttp://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/7/1/2/8/5/6/pc_2.jpg.jpg

That is not a very big difference. That's hardly even a difference. I think the general "point" of a lot of people is: 500 extra lines of resolution at an extra 10 FPS is certainly not a "very big difference." Exclusives, relative bank accounts, and "very big differences" aside... a better resolution and ~10 more FPS is not reason enough to pay 3x the amount of their console, especially when all you have to do is plug in 2 cables right out of a box and power it on. Of course you can get a much better resolution, enhanced details, and ~50 FPS more... but then you're spending 6x the amount. That's all some people are either saying, or implying.
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#156 stiggy321
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I've got like 1300 into my rig right now but I also run eyefinity with three 22" monitors and I can max any game even at a resolution of 5468x1050.

on a side note I have a 700 dollar laptop that runs BFBC2 on all high and 2xAA & 16xAF at 1366x768 and it looks way better then xbox 360 version at 1680x1050. I've put them side to side. Thats what convinced my buddy to switch to PC gaming.streetridaz

Your pants on fire, because what you just said is neither; true, or physically possible.

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#157 flashn00b
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The only important difference i can find with RE5 is that on the PC, it runs on 60fps, and can support higher resolutions than the console releases.

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#158 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="stiggy321"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Even games such as RE5 show a pretty big difference:

QUOTE] That is not a very big difference. That's hardly even a difference. I think the general "point" of a lot of people is: 500 extra lines of resolution at an extra 10 FPS is certainly not a "very big difference." Exclusives, relative bank accounts, and "very big differences" aside... a better resolution and ~10 more FPS is not reason enough to pay 3x the amount of their console, especially when all you have to do is plug in 2 cables right out of a box and power it on. Of course you can get a much better resolution, enhanced details, and ~50 FPS more... but then you're spending 6x the amount. That's all some people are either saying, or implying.

Um, if you cant see the differences you need glasses, You cant see the sharpness, higher detail textures? And it continues, consolers saying you need x6 the amount of money to get those better graphics, WRONG. You can spend $500 for a new Pc and get the perks of Pc gaming with better graphics then consoles.
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#159 harvard1932
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PC does look much much better than console period.

Console is just a piece of crap you brought for 200 dollars while PC cost 1000 dollars and above, you just can't compare overall.

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#160 streetridaz
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[QUOTE="streetridaz"] I've got like 1300 into my rig right now but I also run eyefinity with three 22" monitors and I can max any game even at a resolution of 5468x1050.

on a side note I have a 700 dollar laptop that runs BFBC2 on all high and 2xAA & 16xAF at 1366x768 and it looks way better then xbox 360 version at 1680x1050. I've put them side to side. Thats what convinced my buddy to switch to PC gaming.stiggy321

Your pants on fire, because what you just said is neither; true, or physically possible.

what am i lying about and what isn't physically possible?

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#161 MK-Professor
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That is not a very big difference. That's hardly even a difference. I think the general "point" of a lot of people is: 500 extra lines of resolution at an extra 10 FPS is certainly not a "very big difference." Exclusives, relative bank accounts, and "very big differences" aside... a better resolution and ~10 more FPS is not reason enough to pay 3x the amount of their console, especially when all you have to do is plug in 2 cables right out of a box and power it on. Of course you can get a much better resolution, enhanced details, and ~50 FPS more... but then you're spending 6x the amount. That's all some people are either saying, or implying. stiggy321

The differences in this screenshots is the higher detail textures on pc, also both screenshots have the same resolution so you can see the real advantages of the pc version by looking a screenshot.


Also my PC that cost 3x more times than a console and play this games with:
PC – 1920x1200, 8xAA, 110fps, higher resolution textures, DX10 features, other features on high etc.
Console – 1280x720, QAA(that is inferior than 2xAA), 25-30fps, low resolution textures, DX 9 features, other features on low etc.

So the pc versions look way more than 3x times better (I will say looks 6x times better).

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#162 streetridaz
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[QUOTE="streetridaz"]

[QUOTE="stiggy321"]

[QUOTE="streetridaz"] I've got like 1300 into my rig right now but I also run eyefinity with three 22" monitors and I can max any game even at a resolution of 5468x1050.

on a side note I have a 700 dollar laptop that runs BFBC2 on all high and 2xAA & 16xAF at 1366x768 and it looks way better then xbox 360 version at 1680x1050. I've put them side to side. Thats what convinced my buddy to switch to PC gaming.

Your pants on fire, because what you just said is neither; true, or physically possible.

what am i lying about and what isn't physically possible?

I don't want to get lost in the mix. I need to know whay i'm lying about and what is physically impossible
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#163 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="stiggy321"]

[QUOTE="streetridaz"] I've got like 1300 into my rig right now but I also run eyefinity with three 22" monitors and I can max any game even at a resolution of 5468x1050.

on a side note I have a 700 dollar laptop that runs BFBC2 on all high and 2xAA & 16xAF at 1366x768 and it looks way better then xbox 360 version at 1680x1050. I've put them side to side. Thats what convinced my buddy to switch to PC gaming.streetridaz

Your pants on fire, because what you just said is neither; true, or physically possible.

what am i lying about and what isn't physically possible?

Dont worry about it they dont understand the link between resolutions and detail.

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#164 sonny2dap
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[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Lets put it this way. Pre Built PC video cards are generations ahead of anything on consoles. Even standard laptops have better GPU's than consoles.darx55
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I lol'd because im of the opinion the PC is superior but that laptop bit is just stupid.
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#165 o0squishy0o
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Even games such as RE5 show a pretty big difference:

stiggy321
That is not a very big difference. That's hardly even a difference. I think the general "point" of a lot of people is: 500 extra lines of resolution at an extra 10 FPS is certainly not a "very big difference." Exclusives, relative bank accounts, and "very big differences" aside... a better resolution and ~10 more FPS is not reason enough to pay 3x the amount of their console, especially when all you have to do is plug in 2 cables right out of a box and power it on. Of course you can get a much better resolution, enhanced details, and ~50 FPS more... but then you're spending 6x the amount. That's all some people are either saying, or implying.

I am sorry but what. When I saw the 360 shot I thought ah this wont be much different and then I saw the PC version scrolled back up and it felt like my eyes could not focus properly. I will say it only really looks down to higher res and light maps but that's it but it makes a big difference.
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#166 SPYDER0416
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PC gaming isn't quite as impressive as it used to be I'd say, and hardcore PC gamers can't help but hold on to the 90's. Today, PC games are only a bit above consoles in terms of graphics, and we're talking about hardcore expensive gaming rigs. Crysis 2 does certainly look good, but so does Far Cry 2, Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 by not that noticeable a difference in quality. As somone who routinely plays PC games I can say that PC gaming isn't definitively better than console gaming in any way and isn't any more fun than you might have with a PS3 or Xbox.

Console games may lack MMO and RTS games, but PC's aren't really the best way to play fighting games (especially without splitscreen) or music games so I think it more depends on your tastes and if someone is missing out on Starcraft II PC gamers, you don't have to act like they have to be pitied when they might feel the same about PC gamers for not having Red Dead: Redemption and when they could care less about Starcraft.

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#167 Lost-Memory
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From what videos I see on pc games,they dont look much better than console games. I think pc gaming graphics look better when a new generation of consoles come out. What do you think?

slipknot0129
LOL ok, a friend of mine has a gaming pc that blows mine out of the water. We played Dirt2 on it, and the smoothness of the game coupled with the wicked graphics (maxed out of course) made for quite the fun racing experience. Every game i see playing on that machine stomps consoles. So yeah. my 2 cents.
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#168 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

PC gaming isn't quite as impressive as it used to be I'd say, and hardcore PC gamers can't help but hold on to the 90's. Today, PC games are only a bit above consoles in terms of graphics, and we're talking about hardcore expensive gaming rigs. Crysis 2 does certainly look good, but so does Far Cry 2, Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 by not that noticeable a difference in quality. As somone who routinely plays PC games I can say that PC gaming isn't definitively better than console gaming in any way and isn't any more fun than you might have with a PS3 or Xbox.

Console games may lack MMO and RTS games, but PC's aren't really the best way to play fighting games (especially without splitscreen) or music games so I think it more depends on your tastes and if someone is missing out on Starcraft II PC gamers, you don't have to act like they have to be pitied when they might feel the same about PC gamers for not having Red Dead: Redemption and when they could care less about Starcraft.

No, on the just abit above consoles, I think not when you compare correctly done or true Pc games and or using mods. If you only compare multplatform games then your not going to see night and day differences. And you dont need "hardcore" Rigs to out do consoles. Crysis 2 is downgraded to work on consoles and Farcry 2 was a Pc game at first and there are big differents between Console and Pc with that game. Then KZ 2 is awful looking low resolutions and detail and so blurry. UC 2 looks alright but no where near top teir graphics.
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PC gaming isn't quite as impressive as it used to be I'd say, and hardcore PC gamers can't help but hold on to the 90's. Today, PC games are only a bit above consoles in terms of graphics, and we're talking about hardcore expensive gaming rigs. Crysis 2 does certainly look good, but so does Far Cry 2, Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 by not that noticeable a difference in quality. As somone who routinely plays PC games I can say that PC gaming isn't definitively better than console gaming in any way and isn't any more fun than you might have with a PS3 or Xbox.

Console games may lack MMO and RTS games, but PC's aren't really the best way to play fighting games (especially without splitscreen) or music games so I think it more depends on your tastes and if someone is missing out on Starcraft II PC gamers, you don't have to act like they have to be pitied when they might feel the same about PC gamers for not having Red Dead: Redemption and when they could care less about Starcraft.

SPYDER0416

It has nothing to do with having more fun or not. PC games have more depth and complexity which makes them far superior to console games in my eyes.

Oh and Crysis 2 max settings on PC will look much better than Far Cry 2, Killzone 3 or Uncharted 2.

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#170 lamprey263
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PC is better, but I'm pretty damn satisfied with Xbox 360 and PS3 for now
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#171 CentricStorm
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Console gaming can easily look better than PC gaming.
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#172 Eggimannd
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Console gaming can easily look better than PC gaming.CentricStorm

Of course. If you play at low settings on PC that is. ;)

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#173 CentricStorm
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[QUOTE="CentricStorm"]Console gaming can easily look better than PC gaming.Eggimannd

Of course. If you play at low settings on PC that is. ;)

Which you have to on any PC that costs less than $4000.
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#174 menes777
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[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="CentricStorm"]Console gaming can easily look better than PC gaming.CentricStorm

Of course. If you play at low settings on PC that is. ;)

Which you have to on any PC that costs less than $4000.

LOL it's amazing what kids believe these days. :lol: ;)

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#175 Eggimannd
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[QUOTE="CentricStorm"][QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

Of course. If you play at low settings on PC that is. ;)

menes777

Which you have to on any PC that costs less than $4000.

LOL it's amazing what kids believe these days. :lol: ;)

You got baited :(

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#176 lowe0
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[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="CentricStorm"][QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

Of course. If you play at low settings on PC that is. ;)

Which you have to on any PC that costs less than $4000.

LOL it's amazing what kids believe these days. :lol: ;)

I've decided it's finally time to open up that sarcasm-detector-repair service I've always dreamed of owning. My target market: you.
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#177 menes777
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[QUOTE="menes777"]

[QUOTE="CentricStorm"] Which you have to on any PC that costs less than $4000.Eggimannd

LOL it's amazing what kids believe these days. :lol: ;)

You got baited :(

As long as you aren't a master at that I am ok with it :lol:

btw the ;) was for my own sarcasm :)

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#178 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="dom2000"]

Im a pc gamer but come lets be honest, with the exception of a handful of games...pc does not look that significantly better than consoles, the difference is definitely not as big as it should be. Just look at the comparison pics on this thread.....pc clearly looks sharper due to a higher resolution and runs better but thats just about it. No big night and day difference that some users here seem to claim. I really cant see how anyone can deny this... A non gamer would probably not even notice any difference at all!

dom2000

You also get things like higher texture resolution, higher AA and AF etc. Depending on the game, many multiplats may not use certain aspects that are possible. However look at games like Metro 2033 -- the difference between the console and max on PC is not even close, and i'm talking a huge difference.

Metro is one of the handful of games that i was talking about that looks significantly better than anything consoles can offer. But for the vast majority of multiplats the difference is not that significant! The higher resolution just corresponds to a cleaner look! That is it! Animation is not better, models dont look better and theres no (apart from a few games) significant difference in special effects. When i got a ps3 and compared mw2 to my pc version I was actually very surprised how similar both games look.

Higher total resolution will constitute a sharper look -- however higher texture resolution will directly show more detail within each texture (rather than often being very blurry).

As for it being a handful of games, try looking at Cryostasis, Shattered Horizon, ARMA II, Just Cause 2, Bad Company 2, Metro 2033, Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Gears of War, Fallout 3, GTA IV (though it was a bad port), Dirt 2, Oblivion (especially with mods), Resident Evil 5, Ass. Creed I and II, Stalker: SoC, Stalker: Clear Sky, Stalker: CoP.

Modern Warfare 2 was multiplat, but still differentiated itself in looks. The overall PC package was much sharper than on consoles, and the textures were much better:

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#179 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Even games such as RE5 show a pretty big difference:

stiggy321

That is not a very big difference. That's hardly even a difference. I think the general "point" of a lot of people is: 500 extra lines of resolution at an extra 10 FPS is certainly not a "very big difference." Exclusives, relative bank accounts, and "very big differences" aside... a better resolution and ~10 more FPS is not reason enough to pay 3x the amount of their console, especially when all you have to do is plug in 2 cables right out of a box and power it on. Of course you can get a much better resolution, enhanced details, and ~50 FPS more... but then you're spending 6x the amount. That's all some people are either saying, or implying.

I'm sorry... That difference is huge. Just look at the difference in texture resolution.

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#180 mitu123
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Wait, there is a difference, games with many different graphical settings prove that too.

A game in Directx11 will have differences from consoles which do Directx9!

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#181 skrat_01
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You are incorrect, instead of "saying" how about trying to prove it? I have not played just cause 2 on pc but i have played gta iv and it looks awful in 1680x1050, that game really needs antialising, perhaps the console version is in a lower resolution but it does a much better job hiding the rough edges, that is known even from the ps2 era. Example: Project snowblind, the pc version with the "higher resolution" has alot more visible rough edges than the console version, even the reviewer points it out. So when you say "in my rig and resolution it looks better" you better be able to show a clearly sharp image that looks shaprer than the console screenshots above.

dakan45

and actually make effort for you?

Hell no.

I own GTA IV on PC as well as once owning it on the 360 (as my gamertag states), the visual difference is absolutely huge; also worth keeping in mind the console versions have a haze filter applied to improve framerates and reduce the visual impact of the lack of filtering. On the PC this can be disabled and the visual difference is huge (also keep in mind on the PC you can increase the amount of pedestrians, vehicles and draw distance considerably compared to console versions).

I don't really care if you disagree, I know first hand you're wrong.

Again, naturally if you force filtering in your video card settings in the control panel you will have a sharper image quality with dated multiplatform titles; there are few examples where the PC version is worse, Resident Evil 4 was once one of them; not since its update and subsequent modifications.

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#182 useLOGIC
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got to tell ya, just recently built a new pc capable of running anything at max settings - and nothing looks THAT much better than uncharted 2.

that game still looks amazing regardless of what i experience on my pc.

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#183 Hakkai007
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got to tell ya, just recently built a new pc capable of running anything at max settings - and nothing looks THAT much better than uncharted 2.

that game still looks amazing regardless of what i experience on my pc.

useLOGIC

Uncharted 2 is not amazing.

It has low draw distance and LOD, low res textures, and not much with lighting.

Also does anyone not notice the difference of GTA IV on PC compared to consoles?

I don't have direct feed screenshots of the console version but here is the PC version.

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#184 Hakkai007
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Also you can see the huge difference once you play Arma 2 with 1500+ AI in one battle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KK6Fo3Y0AU&feature=related

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#185 Iantheone
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Also you can see the huge difference once you play Arma 2 with 1500+ AI in one battle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KK6Fo3Y0AU&feature=related

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1500 completely unscripted AI at that
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#186 lowe0
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Also you can see the huge difference once you play Arma 2 with 1500+ AI in one battle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KK6Fo3Y0AU&feature=related

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You may want to start reading the video descriptions before posting links. From your link:

You really do not want to know how much i had to overclock my system just to get 20fps out of this...

Something that requires massive overclocking to achieve a barely playable framerate isn't exactly relevant to day-to-day gameplay.
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#187 CentricStorm
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Also you can see the huge difference once you play Arma 2 with 1500+ AI in one battle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KK6Fo3Y0AU&feature=related

You may want to start reading the video descriptions before posting links. From your link:

You really do not want to know how much i had to overclock my system just to get 20fps out of this...

Something that requires massive overclocking to achieve a barely playable framerate isn't exactly relevant to day-to-day gameplay.

The person that made that video has a seriously average PC with only a dual core CPU and a budget graphics card.
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#188 Hakkai007
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[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Also you can see the huge difference once you play Arma 2 with 1500+ AI in one battle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KK6Fo3Y0AU&feature=related

lowe0

You may want to start reading the video descriptions before posting links. From your link:

You really do not want to know how much i had to overclock my system just to get 20fps out of this...

Something that requires massive overclocking to achieve a barely playable framerate isn't exactly relevant to day-to-day gameplay.

Yah and you should find out what card they have.

That video was recorded a while ago too.

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#189 CentricStorm
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[QUOTE="lowe0"]Something that requires massive overclocking to achieve a barely playable framerate isn't exactly relevant to day-to-day gameplay.CentricStorm
The person that made that video has a seriously average PC with only a dual core CPU and a budget graphics card.

Yah and you should find out what card they have.Hakkai007
Shown on his profile...he's only got a 512MB HD4870, and using that with a dual core CPU won't do much for the gaming performance.