PC gaming dying? I think it already did.

In an already losing battle, the final defense has been blown. Professional game developer CliffyB has now stated that PC games are now dying and is now all about sims and WoW which is completely true.

Valve? LOL the 360 and PS3 has orange box so its not exclusive.

PC gaming is going to die by the end of this year
Because, EVERYGAME except for those low budgest games like Sin of a **** Empire is going to sell poorly and be poor. Everygame will be pirated, everygame thats previously exclusive will need to latch on to the consoles to make profit and finally theres a wider spread community present within the consoles

Interface vs PC slob
The PC users? They have to communicate from Xfire, Steam or AIM. Steam Community is a subpar version of Xbox Live, the voice chat in XBL works beyond what Steam can ever imagine, the achievement integration is much cleaner, more demos for the 360 in comparison to steam and we can download movie files straight into the comfort of the our HDTV setup, something in which hermits will have to move their entire PC setup to a television in order to do where as the 360 and PS3 is simply plugin and play.

Everygame for the console has an counter for an PC exclusive
Dragonage - Its made by EA, dont wish your luck hermits this is going to be on the 360
Starcraft 2 - Halo Wars will easily best it.
Spore - Wii version and nextgeneration speculation. Regardless I can have FUN playing it on my Wii instead of playing with a hunchback
STALKER : Clear Flop - OK i just wanted to add this in, this is a buggy POS that is in no way good. Perhaps the hermit's quality has stooped low that they are desperate for any shooter I see..


Oh wait wwait thats it? Well console owners get.
The fastest ACTION game and one of the best action/adventures - NINJA GAIDEN II
PS3 has the driving simulation all down, we get Gran Turismo down. We also have Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy 13 which will most likely blow anything else away.
Wii - No More Heroes is an awesome game, Brawl, Mario Kart and more.

No matter WHAT console you choose, youll have a better library of games. Just another example of how consoles are clearly overpowering the PC.

Piracy
BUT BUT BUT PIRACYYYYY DOESNT MATTER!?! Well ever thought of what Crysis would sell if it werent for piracy? Alot more, twice in fact but its too bad that piracy is slowly crippling developers away from the PC just like how Epic made their mistake when they generously made UT3 and Gears of War for the PC. Its a good thing Epic learned their mistake too, so they dont have to spend any budget on a dying market.

Scenarios
Guy #1 : Hey want to play Halo 3?
Guy #2 : Sure, lets play over live and party up with a matchmaking system that will allow us to play people against our level.
Guy #1 : Sounds like fun!
Guy #2 : Maybe we can play Gears of War too?
Guy #1 : Yeah! Ill invite my friends over and use guest feature to quickly have friends in a game within a second.
Guy #2 : Cool meet you on Live!

Is this possible in PC games? I think not.
Guy #1 : Hey wanna play..counterstrike source?
Guy #2 : Thats an old game, do us PC owners have any other multiplayer game to play?
Guy #1 : ..well COD4
Guy #2 : Im already playing that...on the 360 with friends and a larger community...I played the PC version at a friends house and nobody communicates
Guy #1 : Yawn...might as well grind more in World of Warcraft

Conclusion
So there you have it, PC games now in a gutter. PC games are dying and now you dare attack CliffyB and state that he's ingorant when you guys are too blind to realize that your precious PC games are over? Right.

Joke post?

PC gaming accoutns for over 21% of the overall industry according to the NPD, the PC has the most announced exclusives, the PC has the most highly rated titles, etc. I don't see PC gaming dieing anytime soon. UT3 sold like crap because he made a rehash of UT2K4, and PC gamers don't stand for casual rehashed crap.Vandalvideo

CliffyB and Epic brought PCgamers EVERYTHING, they gave them great titles and well optimized gameplay but in the end they turned their backs after being slapped with low sales.

Lets admit it, Cliffy B is a game developer and he's a professional at the job and his word is larger than yours.

Joke post?

the1stfandb

Yeah, it certainly looks like one.

Just wanna add: Vale complete pack>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The ob (probably the only thing that does:P)

I not even gonna make a real post this thread is filled with alot of fail. The only real point u have made: top selling PC games don't sell as well as console games but SCII will sell like a get out of hell card.

lol, he actually thinks Halo Wars will be better than stacraft 2.cobrax25

From what i see of it, Starcraft 2 is a rehash (Some logic used against UT3) but it will still sell like crazy because of the brand recognition. Halo Wars in the otherhand is a breath of fresh air, innovating the genre with a very well known universe.

Halo Wars > Starcraft 2

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]PC gaming accoutns for over 21% of the overall industry according to the NPD, the PC has the most announced exclusives, the PC has the most highly rated titles, etc. I don't see PC gaming dieing anytime soon. UT3 sold like crap because he made a rehash of UT2K4, and PC gamers don't stand for casual rehashed crap.CherryShooter

CliffyB and Epic brought PCgamers EVERYTHING, they gave them great titles and well optimized gameplay but in the end they turned their backs after being slapped with low sales.

Lets admit it, Cliffy B is a game developer and he's a professional at the job and his word is larger than yours.

Cliffy can contine to complain that his rehashes arent selling while Crytek, a relativly rookie dev. countinues to outsell Everything epic makes several times over twice in a row with both new IP's.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]PC gaming accoutns for over 21% of the overall industry according to the NPD, the PC has the most announced exclusives, the PC has the most highly rated titles, etc. I don't see PC gaming dieing anytime soon. UT3 sold like crap because he made a rehash of UT2K4, and PC gamers don't stand for casual rehashed crap.CherryShooter

CliffyB and Epic brought PCgamers EVERYTHING, they gave them great titles and well optimized gameplay but in the end they turned their backs after being slapped with low sales.

Lets admit it, Cliffy B is a game developer and he's a professional at the job and his word is larger than yours.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]lol, he actually thinks Halo Wars will be better than stacraft 2.CherryShooter

From what i see of it, Starcraft 2 is a rehash (Some logic used against UT3) but it will still sell like crazy because of the brand recognition. Halo Wars in the otherhand is a breath of fresh air, innovating the genre with a very well known universe.

Halo Wars > Starcraft 2

so what is so inovative about Halo wars?

Then why are there still PC-ONLY games coming out? Hmm?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]PC gaming accoutns for over 21% of the overall industry according to the NPD, the PC has the most announced exclusives, the PC has the most highly rated titles, etc. I don't see PC gaming dieing anytime soon. UT3 sold like crap because he made a rehash of UT2K4, and PC gamers don't stand for casual rehashed crap.CherryShooter

CliffyB and Epic brought PCgamers EVERYTHING, they gave them great titles and well optimized gameplay but in the end they turned their backs after being slapped with low sales.

Lets admit it, Cliffy B is a game developer and he's a professional at the job and his word is larger than yours.

That's why every other great game on pc crossed the million mark but his.. oh wait... he made a crap game and expected it to sell well. Sorry but we aren't simple minded kiddies like consolities.

Kidding about the kiddy thing :P.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]lol, he actually thinks Halo Wars will be better than stacraft 2.CherryShooter

From what i see of it, Starcraft 2 is a rehash (Some logic used against UT3) but it will still sell like crazy because of the brand recognition. Halo Wars in the otherhand is a breath of fresh air, innovating the genre with a very well known universe.

Halo Wars > Starcraft 2

[QUOTE="CherryShooter"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]PC gaming accoutns for over 21% of the overall industry according to the NPD, the PC has the most announced exclusives, the PC has the most highly rated titles, etc. I don't see PC gaming dieing anytime soon. UT3 sold like crap because he made a rehash of UT2K4, and PC gamers don't stand for casual rehashed crap.cobrax25

CliffyB and Epic brought PCgamers EVERYTHING, they gave them great titles and well optimized gameplay but in the end they turned their backs after being slapped with low sales.

Lets admit it, Cliffy B is a game developer and he's a professional at the job and his word is larger than yours.

Cliffy can contine to complain that his rehashes arent selling while Crytek, a relativly rookie dev. countinues to outsell Everything epic makes several times over twice in a row with both new IP's.

CRYSIS sold more than Gears of War (360) did? WHERE?

havent people been saying this for years?

still hasnt happened

PC gaming accoutns for over 21% of the overall industry according to the NPD, the PC has the most announced exclusives, the PC has the most highly rated titles, etc. I don't see PC gaming dieing anytime soon. UT3 sold like crap because he made a rehash of UT2K4, and PC gamers don't stand for casual rehashed crap.Vandalvideo

(adding to this)

All the while, the NPD doesn't factor in Digital Distribution, which is huge for the PC community. I for one have not bought a boxed PC game since Battlefield 2142 came out. Though even prior to that, I was purchasing DD games starting with HL2.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="CherryShooter"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]PC gaming accoutns for over 21% of the overall industry according to the NPD, the PC has the most announced exclusives, the PC has the most highly rated titles, etc. I don't see PC gaming dieing anytime soon. UT3 sold like crap because he made a rehash of UT2K4, and PC gamers don't stand for casual rehashed crap.CherryShooter

CliffyB and Epic brought PCgamers EVERYTHING, they gave them great titles and well optimized gameplay but in the end they turned their backs after being slapped with low sales.

Lets admit it, Cliffy B is a game developer and he's a professional at the job and his word is larger than yours.

Cliffy can contine to complain that his rehashes arent selling while Crytek, a relativly rookie dev. countinues to outsell Everything epic makes several times over twice in a row with both new IP's.

CRYSIS sold more than Gears of War (360) did? WHERE?

GEOW was a second party game.

UT3 was a rehash.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="CherryShooter"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]PC gaming accoutns for over 21% of the overall industry according to the NPD, the PC has the most announced exclusives, the PC has the most highly rated titles, etc. I don't see PC gaming dieing anytime soon. UT3 sold like crap because he made a rehash of UT2K4, and PC gamers don't stand for casual rehashed crap.CherryShooter

CliffyB and Epic brought PCgamers EVERYTHING, they gave them great titles and well optimized gameplay but in the end they turned their backs after being slapped with low sales.

Lets admit it, Cliffy B is a game developer and he's a professional at the job and his word is larger than yours.

Cliffy can contine to complain that his rehashes arent selling while Crytek, a relativly rookie dev. countinues to outsell Everything epic makes several times over twice in a row with both new IP's.

CRYSIS sold more than Gears of War (360) did? WHERE?

maybe not crysis, but far cry most likely did

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]lol, he actually thinks Halo Wars will be better than stacraft 2.CherryShooter

From what i see of it, Starcraft 2 is a rehash (Some logic used against UT3) but it will still sell like crazy because of the brand recognition. Halo Wars in the otherhand is a breath of fresh air, innovating the genre with a very well known universe.

Halo Wars > Starcraft 2

Full of fail why dont you actually read the previews to the game? Halo Wars is being made by ensemble, a company that really only had a successful rts at age of mythology.. AoE3 wasn't well recieved whats so ever..

Blizzard has made starcraft/warcraft line where at very least they get a AAA from it.. I rest my case, I am by no means saying one is better then the other.. Because they havn't bene released.. But I find this logic incrediably flawed.. Not to mention RTS's on console are forced to be dumbed down so a controler can be used for it.

havent people been saying this for years?

still hasnt happened

REforever101

What are you talking about? It happened a while back. Sure you guys got your AAA because the game reviewers are being lenient. Its like respecting an dying old man.

[QUOTE="CherryShooter"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]lol, he actually thinks Halo Wars will be better than stacraft 2.cobrax25

From what i see of it, Starcraft 2 is a rehash (Some logic used against UT3) but it will still sell like crazy because of the brand recognition. Halo Wars in the otherhand is a breath of fresh air, innovating the genre with a very well known universe.

Halo Wars > Starcraft 2

so what is so inovative about Halo wars?

Exactly, but i do agree that SCII seems to much like a new coat of paint but the map editor make the game for me that goes for all blizzard games save wow

[QUOTE="REforever101"]

havent people been saying this for years?

still hasnt happened

CherryShooter

What are you talking about? It happened a while back. Sure you guys got your AAA because the game reviewers are being lenient. Its like respecting an dying old man.

[QUOTE="REforever101"]

havent people been saying this for years?

still hasnt happened

CherryShooter

What are you talking about? It happened a while back. Sure you guys got your AAA because the game reviewers are being lenient. Its like respecting an dying old man.

lol, thats your excuse for the PC getting consistantly more AA/AAA exclusives? leniency? ROFLAMO

Um, yeah.

[QUOTE="CherryShooter"][QUOTE="REforever101"]

havent people been saying this for years?

still hasnt happened

Vandalvideo

What are you talking about? It happened a while back. Sure you guys got your AAA because the game reviewers are being lenient. Its like respecting an dying old man.

Oh please, where do you come up with this nonsense?

[QUOTE="CherryShooter"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="CherryShooter"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]PC gaming accoutns for over 21% of the overall industry according to the NPD, the PC has the most announced exclusives, the PC has the most highly rated titles, etc. I don't see PC gaming dieing anytime soon. UT3 sold like crap because he made a rehash of UT2K4, and PC gamers don't stand for casual rehashed crap.REforever101

CliffyB and Epic brought PCgamers EVERYTHING, they gave them great titles and well optimized gameplay but in the end they turned their backs after being slapped with low sales.

Lets admit it, Cliffy B is a game developer and he's a professional at the job and his word is larger than yours.

Cliffy can contine to complain that his rehashes arent selling while Crytek, a relativly rookie dev. countinues to outsell Everything epic makes several times over twice in a row with both new IP's.

CRYSIS sold more than Gears of War (360) did? WHERE?

maybe not crysis, but far cry most likely did

Off topic Crysis>geow>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>far cry

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="CherryShooter"][QUOTE="REforever101"]

havent people been saying this for years?

still hasnt happened

CherryShooter

What are you talking about? It happened a while back. Sure you guys got your AAA because the game reviewers are being lenient. Its like respecting an dying old man.

Oh please, where do you come up with this nonsense?

The irony...

Oh please, where do you come up with this nonsense?CherryShooter

[QUOTE="CherryShooter"]Oh please, where do you come up with this nonsense?Vandalvideo

Which is why PCgamer gave Hellgate a 92% or something similar? Oh please.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]lol, he actually thinks Halo Wars will be better than stacraft 2.CherryShooter

From what i see of it, Starcraft 2 is a rehash (Some logic used against UT3) but it will still sell like crazy because of the brand recognition. Halo Wars in the otherhand is a breath of fresh air, innovating the genre with a very well known universe.

Halo Wars > Starcraft 2

Starcraft 2 is about as much of a rehash as HL2 was of HL.... As in it isn't a rehash. Every unit is being changed, tons of new units are being added, the campaign is COMPLETELY different, the UI is greatly improved. It maintains what Starcraft is while giving a completely unique experience. Halo Wars on the other hand looks like crap. Terrible pacing, NO strategy in the combat AT ALL(it is mass huge armies and throw them at each other while watching... Hurray?). The controls look more bulky than helpful... It may end up being decent but....

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="CherryShooter"]Oh please, where do you come up with this nonsense?CherryShooter

Which is why PCgamer gave Hellgate a 92% or something similar? Oh please.

PC gaming is going to die by the end of this year
Because, EVERYGAME except for those low budgest games like Sin of a **** Empire is going to sell poorly and be poor. Everygame will be pirated, everygame thats previously exclusive will need to latch on to the consoles to make profit and finally theres a wider spread community present within the consoles

I agree PC gaming has been decling but it will never "die" as long as people have PC's.

Interface vs PC slob
The PC users? They have to communicate from Xfire, Steam or AIM. Steam Community is a subpar version of Xbox Live, the voice chat in XBL works beyond what Steam can ever imagine, the achievement integration is much cleaner, more demos for the 360 in comparison to steam and we can download movie files straight into the comfort of the our HDTV setup, something in which hermits will have to move their entire PC setup to a television in order to do where as the 360 and PS3 is simply plugin and play.

Unlike Live, we get to choose what we use. You do know that you can use another program to chat while playing games right?

Everygame for the console has an counter for an PC exclusive
Dragonage - Its made by EA, dont wish your luck hermits this is going to be on the 360

Never heard of it.

Starcraft 2 - Halo Wars will easily best it.

I think both franchises are overrated but this made me laugh.

Spore - Wii version and nextgeneration speculation. Regardless I can have FUN playing it on my Wii instead of playing with a hunchback

The Wii version will probably trade features for simplicity like many PC-to-Console games.

STALKER : Clear Flop - OK i just wanted to add this in, this is a buggy POS that is in no way good. Perhaps the hermit's quality has stooped low that they are desperate for any shooter I see..

Lost Oddesey : Clear Flop - perhaps the lemming's quality has stooped so low that they are desperate for any RPG I see.


Oh wait wwait thats it? Well console owners get.
The fastest ACTION game and one of the best action/adventures - NINJA GAIDEN II

I agree, if gamers want to play action/adventure games, the 360/PS3/Wii are the consoles to play it on.

PS3 has the driving simulation all down, we get Gran Turismo down. We also have Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy 13 which will most likely blow anything else away.

"Blow anything else away"...uh sure....

Wii - No More Heroes is an awesome game, Brawl, Mario Kart and more.

Sure they are/will probably be awesome games.

No matter WHAT console you choose, youll have a better library of games. Just another example of how consoles are clearly overpowering the PC.

I am pretty sure the PC has the biggest library of this generation with more AAA/AA games (according to GS).

Piracy
BUT BUT BUT PIRACYYYYY DOESNT MATTER!?! Well ever thought of what Crysis would sell if it werent for piracy? Alot more, twice in fact but its too bad that piracy is slowly crippling developers away from the PC just like how Epic made their mistake when they generously made UT3 and Gears of War for the PC. Its a good thing Epic learned their mistake too, so they dont have to spend any budget on a dying market.

I agree piracy is hurting the PC industry.

Scenarios
Guy #1 : Hey want to play Halo 3?
Guy #2 : Sure, lets play over live and party up with a matchmaking system that will allow us to play people against our level.
Guy #1 : Sounds like fun!
Guy #2 : Maybe we can play Gears of War too?
Guy #1 : Yeah! Ill invite my friends over and use guest feature to quickly have friends in a game within a second.
Guy #2 : Cool meet you on Live!

IMO, paying $50 a month isn't worth something that you can use for free which is almost as good if not better in than Live

Is this possible in PC games? I think not.
Guy #1 : Hey wanna play..counterstrike source?
Guy #2 : Thats an old game, do us PC owners have any other multiplayer game to play?
Guy #1 : ..well COD4
Guy #2 : Im already playing that...on the 360 with friends and a larger community...I played the PC version at a friends house and nobody communicates
Guy #1 : Yawn...might as well grind more in World of Warcraft

The reason CS:S is still alive is because it is very very good. Do you see people still playing Halo 2 servers?

Conclusion
So there you have it, PC games now in a gutter. PC games are dying and now you dare attack CliffyB and state that he's ingorant when you guys are too blind to realize that your precious PC games are over? Right.

Although he brings up some good points, the PC gaming market will always be here.

CherryShooter

Just my opinion, I think I am pretty un-biased. ^^

[QUOTE="CherryShooter"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]lol, he actually thinks Halo Wars will be better than stacraft 2.horrowhip

From what i see of it, Starcraft 2 is a rehash (Some logic used against UT3) but it will still sell like crazy because of the brand recognition. Halo Wars in the otherhand is a breath of fresh air, innovating the genre with a very well known universe.

Halo Wars > Starcraft 2

Starcraft 2 is about as much of a rehash as HL2 was of HL.... As in it isn't a rehash. Every unit is being changed, tons of new units are being added, the campaign is COMPLETELY different, the UI is greatly improved. It maintains what Starcraft is while giving a completely unique experience. Halo Wars on the other hand looks like crap. Terrible pacing, NO strategy in the combat AT ALL(it is mass huge armies and throw them at each other while watching... Hurray?). The controls look more bulky than helpful... It may end up being decent but....

Every unit being changed? I saw the game and I still reside my comment on how stupid Starcraft looks. I never played Starcraft because it's godawful graphics pulled me away from it but from the gameplay videos I saw Starcraft 2 looks as everybit as crappy as the original. How is a rehash supposed compare to magic?

[QUOTE="CherryShooter"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]lol, he actually thinks Halo Wars will be better than stacraft 2.Vandalvideo

From what i see of it, Starcraft 2 is a rehash (Some logic used against UT3) but it will still sell like crazy because of the brand recognition. Halo Wars in the otherhand is a breath of fresh air, innovating the genre with a very well known universe.

Halo Wars > Starcraft 2

IMO AoE 2 > SC but probably

SC2 > Halo Wars.