PC gaming is awful for so many reasons

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Left 4 Dead and Orange Box PC > Left 4 Dead and Orange Box for consoles.

GTR2addict

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[QUOTE="goatblah"] guess you didn't notice PC always gets the best versions. also you don't know your problems aren't everyone's problems. [QUOTE="Ryusuke_Akihiro"]In a game like Planescape, Fallout, Baldur's Gate, etc.?Ryusuke_Akihiro

All of you ****ers can kiss my god**** ***. I was just posting my ****ing opinion like the rest of you! GOD!!!!

[QUOTE="Meowmixxvi"][QUOTE="GeoffZak"]

Why buy a game for the PC when you can get it for a console? Consoles > PCs because of simplicity. You put the game in, and it works. Bam!

The only decent PC exclusive is WoW.

HuusAsking

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[QUOTE="Ryusuke_Akihiro"]

The only thing I HATE about PC games is Mouse controls... Pointing a clicking to do things in GAME is just so annoying...

Ryusuke_Akihiro

Then use a controller.

In a game like Planescape, Fallout, Baldur's Gate, etc.?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Meowmixxvi"] games on pc are cheaper than consoles, and why pay for DLC when you can get it free on pc? umm consoles has installs for patches and certain games too(MGS4). GTR2addict

you can completely skip step 2 if you use steam :o

[QUOTE="GTR2addict"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]And console games are simpler. You just put them in and go, for the most part. Once upon a time, you didn't need to install console games; indeed, installation was impossible because such things as hard drives didin't exist for them, and we were better off for it. You just put it in, turn it on and play. Turnkey simplicity; no PC game can achieve that universally (because PCs are too diverse), and people will pay for simplicity if it makes their lives easier. Not only that, since console games were unpatchable, games needed to get it right the first time; gaming companies risked their futures otherwise.swazidoughman

you can completely skip step 2 if you use steam :o

Arguments i have seen in this thread;

1. I hate KB+M! :cry:

ok then use any of the numerous USB or wireless controlers. For games it's not suited to, why are you trying to play them in the first place? You 'Hate' the controls?KB+M has had games built arround it since... well since PC gaming was born. They nailed it in 1997 with quake and they still are. It just works, if you are not used to it then that's a different matter.

2. I can't make it work on my compooter! All PC games are teh broken!! :cry:

Man up, simple as.sometimes you will encouter issues, same can be said for on consoles. The PC is not some magic error machine, use your head, make usre your drivers are up to date and things will go ok. Remeber to do all the stuff you should do anyway if you own a PC like scans and updates. It's just plain everyday stuff. YES the PC does require techical know-how but if you have half a brain you can get trough the frankly very easy steps, only those who struggle with everyday use would find it 'too hard'

3. PC games are just graphics/ there are no good looking games exept Crysis/ Console versions are better.

These are conflicting arguments, you can't have you hate and eat it. The PC DOES get MANY better verisons of games (all VALVE games, most shooters and RPGs [just look at Mass Effect and Last rem]). The PC also has many deep exclusives. Graphics will be addressed later ;)

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[QUOTE="GTR2addict"] PC: 1. insert disk / DL game from steam 2. Install 3. Play you need zero knowledge to do any of these, explain to me in what way consoles being simpler makes it an advantageHuusAsking

you can completely skip step 2 if you use steam :o

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

you can completely skip step 2 if you use steam :o

BoloTheGreat

1. So much hassle getting games to run at optimum levels 2. So many glitches, patches and general BS that goes along with it. 3. Sitting alone, hunched over infront of a monitor can never compare to relaxing on your sofa and enjoying a game on your bigscreen plasma with friends. 4. Mouse and Keyboard were never an intended interface for gaming. 5. Buy a new rig, it's good for a couple years then it's dated for the latest games. 6. PC gaming is in such a dire state that devs don't even bother trying to push the envelope in terms of graphics anymore. Crysis was there last serious effort to pump alot of finances into 'teh graphics', but it flopped in sales, third parties saw this and decided not to attempt games like Crysis anymore, as a result a game that came out on the PC two years ago is still the best looking. airraido

I use to think like you but after getting a ATI 4890 and playing HalfLife 2 on the pc.OMFG is it ever better then the 360 version WOW WOW WOW ive been missing out and bioshok to then I got crysis and again OMFG is it great consoles can kiss the PC ass they dont compare not even close. I still have love for my 360

Quality Assurance. It's the company's responsibility to make sure those bugs never make the final release. That speaks poorly of the company, so those that don't simply don't get my business, enough said.HuusAsking

Yes, but sometimes big companies push games out when they aren't ready. It isn't the fault of the developers, but the publishers. Killzone is a great example of this. The first game was rushed, forced out early by Sony in order to compete with Halo, and suffered from it once released. The game was riddled with bugs that made it a chore to play and the game scored poorly across the board because of this. However, Guerilla games was able to take their time with the second game and it wasn't released until it was ready to be released. The game sold well, scored well, and is considered one of the greatest games offered on the PS3.

Now, what does this have to with your post? Simply that devs are not always in control with when they are able to release a game. Sure, it would be nice if all games were held back for quality assurance, but since we live in reality and not an ideal world, we can only choose to play those games or not. Personally, I'd rather have it so that the developers are able to patch a rushed game after release. Why? Because if it is a good game, with only a few bugs hampering the experience, I'd rather get it fixed later than not at all.

In the end the experience matters the most, it doesn't matter how it gives you that. People are too caught up on what the devs do and how a game isn't worth their time if the devs don't get it right. This is silly. I'll take an almost good game that is made great by mods or patches over one that stays mediocre.

Tell that to a guy who got BSODs and unbreakable freezes trying to play PC games in the past (and yes, there was ample cooling installed). Sometimes, things just don't work, and I'm speaking from experienceHuusAsking

Pc gaming's current state is dead, i think it personally died '99-[early]07. some great games though._Verm

Got any evidence to support that?

because you suck at them and own a dell? what

well pc needs its exclusives back as in NEW QUAKE, NEW BETTER UT, NEW SUPCOM, etc the real PC games although its likely consolisation will ruin the games ='[

Got any evidence to support that?

TreyoftheDead

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Unless your PC isn't compatible with the game. At least with the console compatibility is guaranteed--otherwise, you can make a legal complaint. You can't with PCs because they're too diverse.HuusAsking

1: no hassle at all, settings exist for a reason

2: console games have the same problems now. and console devs intentionally release broken games so they can sell the fixes

3: i can play my pc on a big screen if i want to.

4: then why did the very first games use kb/m?

5: nope, just flat out wrong

6: PC gaming still is the largest market share, larger than any single console.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

Got any evidence to support that?

_Verm

Game quality decline? The PC has had 12 AAA-AA titles in the past 6 months. This includes games like Empire: Total War, Dawn of War II, Cryostasis, and The Sims 3. 8 of those games are exclusive to the PC. I just built a brand new gaming machine from scratch, on that can play any game available, for 500 bucks. And where is the proof that sales have decreased? You are bringing up this accusation, the burden of proof is on you. :)

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

Got any evidence to support that?

_Verm

Unless your PC isn't compatible with the game. At least with the console compatibility is guaranteed--otherwise, you can make a legal complaint. You can't with PCs because they're too diverse.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

Got any evidence to support that?

_Verm

...meh, i think you took enough verbal beating's today..i'll leave u alone....

1) agreed, Ive had so many problems with games recently. Fifa09 on pc is just a mess.2) Watchmen didn't work on PC on release so I agree again as well as having numours problems this year with games

3) get a DVI to HDMI lead. This leads connects your pc to you TV I realise this may be over your level of comprehension4) yes they were and try and play Vs a person with KB/m on an fps and see what happens to you5) less true these days as intel have slowed down updated6) I agree that PC is the last format of choice for developers, Ive noticed now how games come out on PC way later then their console counterparts. Where fight night 4 and UFC????

[QUOTE="Ryusuke_Akihiro"]

guess you didn't notice PC always gets the best versions. also you don't know your problems aren't everyone's problems. goatblah

Erm no its the majority of people with these problems so get your facts right bubaloo

Fifa09

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-09-pc/355009-do-you-get-lag-stuttering-fifa-09-offline.html

Watchmen

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13633370

Terminator

http://play.tm/news/24706/launch-issues-impact-terminator-salvation-on-pc/

Wanted: weapons of fate failed to install on any of the 6 PC's I tried it on, there are multiple people that experience the same thing

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Guess what.....you can do all that on a PC. Big Screen, Couch, controllers, etc. And you act like sitting in a chair is extremely uncomfortable and bad for your back.CBR600-RR

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Guess what.....you can do all that on a PC. Big Screen, Couch, controllers, etc. And you act like sitting in a chair is extremely uncomfortable and bad for your back.General_X

I think he meant face to face split screen man :)

[QUOTE="General_X"][QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]Guess what, there aint many games to play on PC with friends. What about Warhawk, The Warriors, Champions, Kung Fu Fists Of Plastic? And many more. And I'd rather slouch on a bean bag rather than sit on a pc chair.goatblah

I think he meant face to face split screen man :)

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[QUOTE="General_X"]Not many games to play with friends? L4D, TF2, CS + CS:S, Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, Starcraft, COD4 + COD 5 (especially Nazi Zombies), SFIV, Supreme Commander, Sins of a Solar Empire, Crysis Wars, any Command and Conquer ect ect. And guess what? They can also be played on this hypothetical bean bag chair in front of a TV, most with a 360 controller.General_X

I think he meant face to face split screen man :)

yer obviously that is loads better but the consolities will say you need $1,000,000 for that rig just to play with friends

1. So much hassle getting games to run at optimum levels 2. So many glitches, patches and general BS that goes along with it. 3. Sitting alone, hunched over infront of a monitor can never compare to relaxing on your sofa and enjoying a game on your bigscreen plasma with friends. 4. Mouse and Keyboard were never an intended interface for gaming. 5. Buy a new rig, it's good for a couple years then it's dated for the latest games. 6. PC gaming is in such a dire state that devs don't even bother trying to push the envelope in terms of graphics anymore. Crysis was there last serious effort to pump alot of finances into 'teh graphics', but it flopped in sales, third parties saw this and decided not to attempt games like Crysis anymore, as a result a game that came out on the PC two years ago is still the best looking. airraido

2. Learning curve

3. Interior Design Flaw

4. True. People got used to it so they think it is the best and only way.

5. Same with all gaming devices

6. True. Is why Crysis is going else where.

Good job making people upset. I don't know why they are so emotional. Your list is mostly opinions.

[QUOTE="General_X"][QUOTE="goatblah"]

I think he meant face to face split screen man :)

goatblah

yer obviously that is loads better but the consolities will say you need $1,000,000 for that rig just to play with friends

[QUOTE="goatblah"]

[QUOTE="General_X"]Not many games to play with friends? L4D, TF2, CS + CS:S, Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, Starcraft, COD4 + COD 5 (especially Nazi Zombies), SFIV, Supreme Commander, Sins of a Solar Empire, Crysis Wars, any Command and Conquer ect ect. And guess what? They can also be played on this hypothetical bean bag chair in front of a TV, most with a 360 controller.General_X

I think he meant face to face split screen man :)

PC gaming is great now . Tons of console games like Devil May Cry, Fall Out 3, GRID, COD4, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Left for Dead, Street Fighter 4, and a whole slew of new ones coming soon,: Dirt 2, Assassins Creed 2, Bioshock 2, Splinter Cell Conviction, etc. On the right rig, these games can look quite a bit better than the console versions, and you can play most of them with a xbox 360 controller. I run mine to a 54in plasma hdtv and i can directly compare pc gamess to pse3 and 360 games. My pc is like a super duper console, which is fine with me.

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[QUOTE="goatblah"]

I think he meant face to face split screen man :)

HuusAsking

1. I haven't had any hassles running games for a year and a half.

2. And consoles dont freeze up and need servicing?

3. Playing Wii music and Virtua BS Tennis can't compare to being able to surf the net, check mail, instant msging, word processing and the alike.

4. You're right!! They couldn't get VR working well before consoles so they just had to settle for K+M. It was never intended.

5. What do you think happens with consoles? Buy one, its out dated in a few years. You can replace PC parts, cheaper too.

6. PC Gaming has been on top for the last 3 weeks mate. Check the charts in Australia. Sims 3 - 1.4million copies in a week.

biggest_loser

So much fail in this thread. PC gaming will always be the best TC ;)

PC Gaming>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Consoles. FACT!

I've had games crash on consoles. Just the other day dead space froze after I finished a chapter.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] It wasn't really the language that bothered me, it was the unsubstantiated opinions and contradictions in your post. I just thought it was unfortunate the first game you referenced you misspelt badly. For example, you claimed Crysis failed in its sales performance, and was only good for its graphics, when in reality, it sold in the millions (a financial success) and was almost universally praised for its gameplay, including by GameSpot who awarded it shooter of the year over Halo 3 and Call of Duty 4. Another example, you claim PC exclusives are usually low budget Russian games. Can you give me examples?DragonfireXZ95

As a fellow pc gamer the only reason that pc gaming sucks is because of lag if it didn't have that it would be gaming king.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="General_X"]Meh I've always preffered a LAN with my friends over split screen, even big TV's only give you about an 9"-20" screen if you have more than 2 people. You have to squint to see whats going on and the FOV is awful.General_X

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"] WHAT? all games are compatible with ALL PC's you hear that boy? [QUOTE="_Verm"]

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

Got any evidence to support that?

GTR2addict

I don't have the link with me, but I'm pretty sure those 11 billion dollars account for game sales exclusively, not hardware. If you include hardware that figure skyrockets. So basically PC game sales in 2008 were bigger than the 360+PS3 combined.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Tell that to a guy who got BSODs and unbreakable freezes trying to play PC games in the past (and yes, there was ample cooling installed). Sometimes, things just don't work, and I'm speaking from experienceVandalvideo

3. Sitting alone, hunched over infront of a monitor can never compare to relaxing on your sofa and enjoying a game on your bigscreen plasma with friends.airraido

One of the reasons I can't stand to game on my 42" plasma is that it feels absolutely puny when viewed from my sofa compared to when I sit in front of my 24" monitor. Most people sit at least 2 meters from their TV and usually more than that. Unless you have a really friggin' large TV or sit unusually close to it, it's not going to be perceived to be as large as a 22-24" computer monitor sitting a typical 60-70 cm from your face.

And "hunched over in front of a monitor"? So, PC gaming is bad because you can't be bothered to get a good chair? I have a nice office chair that is fully adjustable and I actually prefer gaming in that compared to the sofa. If I want to be hunched over, I can. If I want to sit back, I can.

EDIT: And just as an FYI: My gaming "career" started at an early age, with consoles. Since then, I've owned several consoles. The most recent one was a 360, but owning that made me realize that I just couldn't be bothered with console gaming anymore. The few times I have time to game these days, I simply want the premium experience, not the watered down, low-res, low-performance one. I can understand why some people prefer console gaming, but it's definitely not for me anymore. Sure, PC gaming is a bit more expensive, but some of us just don't care. On the grand scale of things, it's not really very expensive either and I think the higher price is well worth it.

PC gaming is awful because it caters to everyone. Which is why a gamer on a PC shouldn't be called a hermit.

[QUOTE="airraido"]3. Sitting alone, hunched over infront of a monitor can never compare to relaxing on your sofa and enjoying a game on your bigscreen plasma with friends.SeventhWonder

One of the reasons I can't stand to game on my 42" plasma is that it feels absolutely puny when viewed from my sofa compared to when I sit in front of my 24" monitor. Most people sit at least 2 meters from their TV and usually more than that. Unless you have a really friggin' large TV or sit unusually close to it, it's not going to be perceived to be as large as a 22-24" computer monitor sitting a typical 60-70 cm from your face.

And "hunched over in front of a monitor"? So, PC gaming is bad because you can't be bothered to get a good chair? I have a nice office chair that is fully adjustable and I actually prefer gaming in that compared to the sofa. If I want to be hunched over, I can. If I want to sit back, I can.

EDIT: And just as an FYI: My gaming "career" started at an early age, with consoles. Since then, I've owned several consoles. The most recent one was a 360, but owning that made me realize that I just couldn't be bothered with console gaming anymore. The few times I have time to game these days, I simply want the premium experience, not the watered down, low-res, low-performance one. I can understand why some people prefer console gaming, but it's definitely not for me anymore. Sure, PC gaming is a bit more expensive, but some of us just don't care. On the grand scale of things, it's not really very expensive either and I think the higher price is well worth it.