PC gaming is bad for the industry.

You're terribly biased views and opinions are nothing more than a joke. You ignore almost 90% of the actual burnage, and respond to the petty and meaningless sections of people's posts. It's clear you know nothing, will never know nothing, and have never even used a PC in you're life. I've gone through most of the pages here, and I think there's more than enough rebuttles on you're terrible arguments to prove you completely and utterly false. But unfortunately, you don't listen, and go on to not only say that PC gaming is dead, it's not backward compatible, and KB/M is a bad system, but also bad mouth some of the best developers around, namely Bioware.

The fact that you claimed they were a terrible developer is just rediculous. Isn't it strange that the only game they made that you stood up for was Jade Empire, the only exclusive (well, not anymore) console game they've made, and yet, Jade Empire is probably their weakest games they've made to date. I respect opinions if someone were to say they couldn't get into Baldur's Gate, or Neverwinter Nights because they thought the text was too much, but face the damn facts, Bioware have made some of the BEST games ever created, period - end of story.

And you're comment about PC Gaming getting ported down the line - no, that's actually quite wrong. First, yes, there are a lot of games that get ported at one stage or another from PC to console, but I'd say there are more that get ported from console to PC. No Blizzard games have ever been made for console (apart from Starcraft 64, but let's not talk about that junk around the shining masterpiece that is Starcraft for the PC), the Vampire games, Thief 1 & 2, Broken Sword. And when you do get a port, it's sometimes dumbed down for consoles, ala Far Cry, yes that's right, dumbed down!

The post about patches is also stupid. No, PC games do not come out unfinished. Do you know why patches are released? Because they can be on PC, and the developers want the game to be the best they can be. Only now the 360 and PS3 are getting patches made for them.

Finally, I'm not even going to go into the mods, as too many people have already commented on this. Unfortunately, you've failed to come up or even respond to any of the posts outlining what a mod actually is, so you still don't know what they are. Go back a few pages, read up on it, then try bad mouthing the ingenious invention of mods, that no PS3 could ever have.

You're terribly biased views and opinions are nothing more than a joke. You ignore almost 90% of the actual burnage, and respond to the petty and meaningless sections of people's posts. It's clear you know nothing, will never know nothing, and have never even used a PC in you're life. I've gone through most of the pages here, and I think there's more than enough rebuttles on you're terrible arguments to prove you completely and utterly false. But unfortunately, you don't listen, and go on to not only say that PC gaming is dead, it's not backward compatible, and KB/M is a bad system, but also bad mouth some of the best developers around, namely Bioware.

The fact that you claimed they were a terrible developer is just rediculous. Isn't it strange that the only game they made that you stood up for was Jade Empire, the only exclusive (well, not anymore) console game they've made, and yet, Jade Empire is probably their weakest games they've made to date. I respect opinions if someone were to say they couldn't get into Baldur's Gate, or Neverwinter Nights because they thought the text was too much, but face the damn facts, Bioware have made some of the BEST games ever created, period - end of story.

And you're comment about PC Gaming getting ported down the line - no, that's actually quite wrong. First, yes, there are a lot of games that get ported at one stage or another from PC to console, but I'd say there are more that get ported from console to PC. No Blizzard games have ever been made for console (apart from Starcraft 64, but let's not talk about that junk around the shining masterpiece that is Starcraft for the PC), the Vampire games, Thief 1 & 2, Broken Sword. And when you do get a port, it's sometimes dumbed down for consoles, ala Far Cry, yes that's right, dumbed down!

The post about patches is also stupid. No, PC games do not come out unfinished. Do you know why patches are released? Because they can be on PC, and the developers want the game to be the best they can be. Only now the 360 and PS3 are getting patches made for them.

Finally, I'm not even going to go into the mods, as too many people have already commented on this. Unfortunately, you've failed to come up or even respond to any of the posts outlining what a mod actually is, so you still don't know what they are. Go back a few pages, read up on it, then try bad mouthing the ingenious invention of mods, that no PS3 could ever have.

1carus

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Oh, and console gamers don't pirate games?

 

SwapMagic?

 

Xbox 360 DVD drive hacks?

 

Gameboy Advance flash carts?

 

 

PowerCharged

the scale is much smaller than PC piracy

PROVE IT.

a console game sale gets to a million faster than pc game sales, and plus you don't have to do any modification on you rig to steal a game. if you mod your console, you lose online priviledge

NO LINK. NO PROOF.

prove me wrong with a link then. otherwise the most logical argument wins.

You said it first my dear selfowned cow...

Plus one can buy a PC game register it online and sell it for half price and still play online...

Can u do that on your little toy?

you can't trade in PC games. and why would i want to register my games is there any benefits??

stop lying. they don't take pc games anymore. trust me i use to work there. i had to quit since my manager bashed the ps3 

WTF! LOL that is really stupid. Maybe you should quit the forums since lots o people have and are continuing to basing the ps3.

You know something? You are wrong and I am just going to leave it at that.smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]:lol: PC gaming is where innovation starts.PowerCharged

really?? then how come that ive people have been using the same KB/M for decades. and all pc shooter a generic and repetitive.

Your using the same f***** keyboard and mouse for decades coz you dont buy a new one you loony. 

PC gaming have been declining since the 90's. and with increased piracy and PC gaming isn't doing anything to expand the industry.

let be frank.

PC gaming is like a shark. it hasn't evolved since the dawn of time. you still play games with complicated controls and bad key layout. 

PC gaming is not noob friendly. casuals can't get into it and its too expensive. even if you could afford a cheap set up. the monitor alone could cost you about $200-$500.

Most hermits don't even buy games. they use bittorent.

 

PC doesn't have any exclusives, no matter how long it takes, every single pc game gets ported down the line.

PC is not backward compatible.

PC OS cost a fortune. games that requires vista forces you to buy a buggy OS.

you can't play PC games on your couch.

you have to install every single game and if you lose your CD key its all over.

 

PC games are never completed. there is always some darn patch coming down the line and if you don't have internet, you are stuck with some BS game.

Mods are for cheaters, and is unnecessary.

PC games are not in HD.

when you play a game like half life 2 or any vehicle driven games, its suddenly gets really frustrating when you hop into a vehicle and all the basic controls changes

 

now please tell me. what's so good about PC gaming???

gaming shouldn't be a chore people should be able to have fun playing not waste time bulding a gaming machine which gets outdated by the time your finish. 

PowerCharged

Is this a joke?  You are wrong in every point that you tried to make.  An equivelant statement from someone outside of gaming would be this: "The world is flat.  The earth is the center of the universe and the sun rotates around the earth."

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Oh, and console gamers don't pirate games?

 

SwapMagic?

 

Xbox 360 DVD drive hacks?

 

Gameboy Advance flash carts?

 

 

PowerCharged

the scale is much smaller than PC piracy

PROVE IT.

a console game sale gets to a million faster than pc game sales, and plus you don't have to do any modification on you rig to steal a game. if you mod your console, you lose online priviledge

NO LINK. NO PROOF.

prove me wrong with a link then. otherwise the most logical argument wins.

you still play games with complicated controls and bad key layout.PowerCharged

Now that just sounds like you're not used to/any good at playing games with a keyboard + mouse. Just about every PC game alows you to customise the controls, or use a gamepad (on action-adventure games, mainly), so they cater to everyone.

PC gaming is not noob friendly. casuals can't get into it and its too expensive. even if you could afford a cheap set up. the monitor alone could cost you about $200-$500.PowerCharged

What do we care if it isn't noob-friendly? You install a game, then you play it - that is the standard for all PC games. It sounds like you're just complaining about your own problems again. ;)

Casuals can get into it - everyone owns a PC!

The price of the monitor is irrelevant compared to the price of a many-thousand dollar TV. 

Most hermits don't even buy games. they use bittorent.PowerCharged

That's just a generalisation. Hell, 'most' (actually, almost all) of my console-owning friends have modded their systems to play pirated games - piracy is, by no means, PC specific.

PC doesn't have any exclusives, no matter how long it takes, every single pc game gets ported down the line.PowerCharged

A ridiculously false generalisation, demonstrating  your own lack of knowledge regarding PC gaming.

PC is not backward compatible.PowerCharged

Yes it is - hell, it can run games from any console (assuming that we're following your arguement that all hermits are pirates). 

PC OS cost a fortune. games that requires vista forces you to buy a buggy OS.PowerCharged

 Fortunately, there aren't any good games that require you to buy Vista, so we're safe for now.

you can't play PC games on your couch.PowerCharged

Why not? Even if you don't want to hook up your PC to the TV, or just move it to the couch, there's always laptops... 

you have to install every single game and if you lose your CD key its all over.PowerCharged

Companies usually allow you to retrieve the CD key for a small price. Installation of games is almost like insurance against this - as long as it is installed, you won't have to worry about losing the CD key. 

PC games are never completed. there is always some darn patch coming down the line and if you don't have internet, you are stuck with some BS game.PowerCharged

Alternately, games on any console usually aren't completed before being shipped, and patches are the only way for developers to bring games closer to the perfection.

Mods are for cheaters, and is unnecessary.PowerCharged

Sure, people cheat. It isn't fun though, so why bother? Mods can also be used to make a game longer, better, etc. There are some mods out there that I'd gladly pay full retail price for, as they are as good, if not better, than the games they mod.

PC games are not in HD.PowerCharged

Wrong. 

when you play a game like half life 2 or any vehicle driven games, its suddenly gets really frustrating when you hop into a vehicle and all the basic controls changesPowerCharged

I'm trying, but I honestly can't think of a shooter that doesn't use WASD controls for the driving segments... 

...not waste time bulding a gaming machine which gets outdated by the time your finish.

PowerCharged

How does that work, exactly? For that matter, aren't you saying that consoles are outdated instantly, as their hardware can never be upgraded?

A PC, upgraded with decent/great hardware once per gen, will always be ahead of the consoles graphically - you won't need to upgrade more than once per gen.

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Should I mention how the console market relies on pure marketing and software exclusivity to generate hardware sales, which renders it stagnant?

If anything, it's the console gaming that is bad for the industry.

PowerCharged

you are just jealous because PC doesn't have any exclusive

Yep, no exclusives from companies like EA, Blizzard, Bioware, NCSoft, THQ, Activision, Sega, Midway, Lucasarts, Valve and more. No exclusives at all.

who would want exclusives from EA. and bioware doesn't make good games. midway haven't made a AAA in 10 years. Sega:lol: after spiderman 3 activision just took a nose dive. the rest are just garbage

i cant believe he said BioWare doesnt make good games...

what good games did bioware make??? let me guess jade empires. all the bioware games have some weird text base conversation wich doesn't really change anything

So what system is the Holy Grail of gaming then? You know if Consoles didnt exist we would have 1 unified PC in everysingle home for both adults use & childrens use for work/entertainment AND Gaming, with the ultimate library? and "Upgrading Services" would be as common as DELL is now, there would be no hassle problems ... but no, consoles with overpriced games/microtransactions with limited playtime games that are mostly just sequals or complete trash ARE TEH FUTURE!

PC gaming is dead, all future Blizzard games are going to be on consoles as well.

Should have bought those games instead of downloading them for free, now you've gone and killed PC gaming forever.

PC gaming is dead, all future Blizzard games are going to be on consoles as well.

Should have bought those games instead of downloading them for free, now you've gone and killed PC gaming forever.

NickyJD

Your theory might be believeable if PC sales in 2006 hadn't been increased (as so far same for 2007), as well as having the most AAAe games this year, last year, every year. Seems to be doing alright even with the pirating handicap. Don't let Epic blow smoke up your butt, they shouldn't be complaining since they can online proof their game anyway.

All future Blizzard games on console? Some probably, but they seem to be still running with the PC as their main man. I guess that's why they've shifted massive resources into WoW and it's expansions, canned the only console exclusive game they had planned this century (Starcraft Ghost) and look set to announce either Starcraft 2 or World of Starcraft this month. But hey, I'm sure most of their games will be console too, we all know how well MMORPGs and RTS work on consoles....

You know something? You are wrong and I am just going to leave it at that.smokeydabear076

Yep, same here. 

PC gaming have been declining since the 90's. and with increased piracy and PC gaming isn't doing anything to expand the industry.

let be frank.

PC gaming is like a shark. it hasn't evolved since the dawn of time. you still play games with complicated controls and bad key layout.

PC gaming is not noob friendly. casuals can't get into it and its too expensive. even if you could afford a cheap set up. the monitor alone could cost you about $200-$500.

Most hermits don't even buy games. they use bittorent.

 

PC doesn't have any exclusives, no matter how long it takes, every single pc game gets ported down the line.

PC is not backward compatible.

PC OS cost a fortune. games that requires vista forces you to buy a buggy OS.

you can't play PC games on your couch.

you have to install every single game and if you lose your CD key its all over.

 

PC games are never completed. there is always some darn patch coming down the line and if you don't have internet, you are stuck with some BS game.

Mods are for cheaters, and is unnecessary.

PC games are not in HD.

when you play a game like half life 2 or any vehicle driven games, its suddenly gets really frustrating when you hop into a vehicle and all the basic controls changes

 

now please tell me. what's so good about PC gaming???

gaming shouldn't be a chore people should be able to have fun playing not waste time bulding a gaming machine which gets outdated by the time your finish.

PowerCharged

1.  PC gaming is one of THE most casual markets right now, with all the indie games such as Diner Dash or Zuma, which have been selling like hotcakes.  Not to mention the freeware market...

2.Every damn RTS game that's gone down the pipe has basically been a PC exclusive.  Same with MMORPGS.

3.The PC

a) is already backwards compatible, as Vista can run XP games

b) for all the earlier windows games there are emulators

4.

a) ever heard of laptops?

b) didn't you ever notice the PC video cable on the back of a TV?  plug in your PC and you can use the TV as a screen.

5. It is a rare occurence that a game should release unplayable until a patch comes out.

6.  Mods are NOT exclusively cheating programs.  99.9% of the time, mods are fan-made extensions to the original game content or even entirely new games themselves that use the original game's engine.

7.  Not only are PC games in HD, but they are already higher resolution than consoles.

8.  You've been owned. 

PC gaming is dead, all future Blizzard games are going to be on consoles as well.

Should have bought those games instead of downloading them for free, now you've gone and killed PC gaming forever.

NickyJD

This is a perfect example of console ignorance...

Blizzard, Relic, Valve, Ensemble Studios & Firaxis are NOT going to let the PC die. 

PC games are not in HD.

PowerCharged

Okay, these are display modes that ForceWare drivers support.

640 x 480 32

720 x 480 32

720 x 576 32

800 x 600 32

848 x 480 32

960 x 600 32

1024 x 768 32

1152 x 864 32

1280 x 768 32

1280 x 800 32

1280 x 960 32

1280 x 1024 32

1360 x 768 32

1600 x 1200 32

1920 x 1200 32

1920 x 1440 32

2048 x 1536 32

So, am I missing something, or...?