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Actually makes sense.
If PC makers would constuct PC's with already powerful specs, then it would be different.
GOGOGOGURT
Actually they do. Not only Alienware but you can make yourself a souped up PC at places like Dell or even Newegg has gaming nice PC's prebuilt.
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Yundex"]The ability to play games determines weather or not a gaming platform is outdated. And I have explained in my previous posts how the current consoles simply cannot run their OWN EXCLUSIVE SOFTWARE optimally and cannot run another game at all.YundexThey run games just fine. Up to PC gamers' standards? No, but that's not really the goal. Sub 30 FPS is not fine. You are factually wrong here. Skyrim flat out not functioning because of the limitations of a console is not fine. Supreme commander not being able to see the battlemap because the hardware cannot handle it is not fine. And i'd like you to actually address the arma series, as well as arma 3. Why is it not on consoles? If you do not answer this, than I am just going to let you have the last word; I will not reply.
Lowe is the type that will constantly shift the goal posts to try and make his arguments correct.
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Yundex"]The ability to play games determines weather or not a gaming platform is outdated. And I have explained in my previous posts how the current consoles simply cannot run their OWN EXCLUSIVE SOFTWARE optimally and cannot run another game at all.YundexThey run games just fine. Up to PC gamers' standards? No, but that's not really the goal. Sub 30 FPS is not fine. You are factually wrong here. Skyrim flat out not functioning because of the limitations of a console is not fine. Supreme commander not being able to see the battlemap because the hardware cannot handle it is not fine. And i'd like you to actually address the arma series, as well as arma 3. Why is it not on consoles? If you do not answer this, than I am just going to let you have the last word; I will not reply. Why are the ARMA games not on consoles? A few reasons. One, there's not enough memory - they're designed for a PC, not a console. Two, there aren't enough buttons on a gamepad - again, they're designed for a PC, not a console. Three, there's not a large market for them. Since you mentioned Total War, the same applies - the controls aren't ideal, and RTS games have not been historically successful on consoles.
That it cannot run PC games does not make it out of date. Consoles run console games just fine, yes, even when they dip below 30 FPS, and there are still console games coming out quite often. Sure, Skyrim on the PS3 should have never been released, but it's completely playable on my 360. You can say that it's not up to your standards, of course, but if you're going to declare them out of date, you first have to explain why your standards are unarguably right and console gamers' are unarguably wrong. Good luck with that.
Sub 30 FPS is not fine. You are factually wrong here. Skyrim flat out not functioning because of the limitations of a console is not fine. Supreme commander not being able to see the battlemap because the hardware cannot handle it is not fine. And i'd like you to actually address the arma series, as well as arma 3. Why is it not on consoles? If you do not answer this, than I am just going to let you have the last word; I will not reply. Why are the ARMA games not on consoles? A few reasons. One, there's not enough memory - they're designed for a PC, not a console. Two, there aren't enough buttons on a gamepad - again, they're designed for a PC, not a console. Three, there's not a large market for them. Since you mentioned Total War, the same applies - the controls aren't ideal, and RTS games have not been historically successful on consoles.[QUOTE="Yundex"][QUOTE="lowe0"] They run games just fine. Up to PC gamers' standards? No, but that's not really the goal.lowe0
That it cannot run PC games does not make it out of date. Consoles run console games just fine, yes, even when they dip below 30 FPS, and there are still console games coming out quite often. Sure, Skyrim on the PS3 should have never been released, but it's completely playable on my 360. You can say that it's not up to your standards, of course, but if you're going to declare them out of date, you first have to explain why your standards are unarguably right and console gamers' are unarguably wrong. Good luck with that.
At last we can agree on something, console gamers have lower standards.
Which gets back to what determines an outdated platform. If it's still getting current software releases, which apparently both the 360 and PS3 did yesterday, then is it really outdated?[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Yundex"] I'm aware that it's more profitable for microsoft/sony to milk outdated hardware for years. Again, that still doesn't mean that the hardware itself is not outdated. menes777
OMG here we go again. So if the Commdore 64 were still getting updates to it's software it would not be out of date? I sure hope you understand that software updates are not the same as hardware updates.
We're not talking about the consoles' system software getting updates; we're talking about new applications (games) being actively developed for and released on the platform. Are you aware of any AAA games being developed for the C64 at the moment?Sub 30 FPS is not fine. You are factually wrong here. Skyrim flat out not functioning because of the limitations of a console is not fine. Supreme commander not being able to see the battlemap because the hardware cannot handle it is not fine. And i'd like you to actually address the arma series, as well as arma 3. Why is it not on consoles? If you do not answer this, than I am just going to let you have the last word; I will not reply. Why are the ARMA games not on consoles? A few reasons. One, there's not enough memory - they're designed for a PC, not a console. Two, there aren't enough buttons on a gamepad - again, they're designed for a PC, not a console. Three, there's not a large market for them. Since you mentioned Total War, the same applies - the controls aren't ideal, and RTS games have not been historically successful on consoles.[QUOTE="Yundex"][QUOTE="lowe0"] They run games just fine. Up to PC gamers' standards? No, but that's not really the goal.lowe0
That it cannot run PC games does not make it out of date. Consoles run console games just fine, yes, even when they dip below 30 FPS, and there are still console games coming out quite often. Sure, Skyrim on the PS3 should have never been released, but it's completely playable on my 360. You can say that it's not up to your standards, of course, but if you're going to declare them out of date, you first have to explain why your standards are unarguably right and console gamers' are unarguably wrong. Good luck with that.
I rest my case right here. Thank you for finally admitting that the hardware is outdated. (weather you realized it or not) By the way, it's not the controls that make porting total war an issue: http://www.vg247.com/2012/07/13/total-war-on-consoles-is-a-question-of-power-not-controls-says-creative-assembly/ I'm getting my stepdaughter ready for Halloween, couldn't have had better timing.[QUOTE="lowe0"]Why are the ARMA games not on consoles? A few reasons. One, there's not enough memory - they're designed for a PC, not a console. Two, there aren't enough buttons on a gamepad - again, they're designed for a PC, not a console. Three, there's not a large market for them. Since you mentioned Total War, the same applies - the controls aren't ideal, and RTS games have not been historically successful on consoles.[QUOTE="Yundex"] Sub 30 FPS is not fine. You are factually wrong here. Skyrim flat out not functioning because of the limitations of a console is not fine. Supreme commander not being able to see the battlemap because the hardware cannot handle it is not fine. And i'd like you to actually address the arma series, as well as arma 3. Why is it not on consoles? If you do not answer this, than I am just going to let you have the last word; I will not reply.Yundex
That it cannot run PC games does not make it out of date. Consoles run console games just fine, yes, even when they dip below 30 FPS, and there are still console games coming out quite often. Sure, Skyrim on the PS3 should have never been released, but it's completely playable on my 360. You can say that it's not up to your standards, of course, but if you're going to declare them out of date, you first have to explain why your standards are unarguably right and console gamers' are unarguably wrong. Good luck with that.
I rest my case right here. Thank you for finally admitting that the hardware is outdated. (weather you realized it or not) By the way, it's not the controls that make porting total war an issue: http://www.vg247.com/2012/07/13/total-war-on-consoles-is-a-question-of-power-not-controls-says-creative-assembly/ I'm getting my stepdaughter ready for Halloween, couldn't have had better timing. You haven't proven why being unable to run some PC games renders consoles out of date. If we console gamers were trying to play ARMA, then you'd have a point. We're not, as you can see from the sales of even "ARMA lite" Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising.[QUOTE="Yundex"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Why are the ARMA games not on consoles? A few reasons. One, there's not enough memory - they're designed for a PC, not a console. Two, there aren't enough buttons on a gamepad - again, they're designed for a PC, not a console. Three, there's not a large market for them. Since you mentioned Total War, the same applies - the controls aren't ideal, and RTS games have not been historically successful on consoles.I rest my case right here. Thank you for finally admitting that the hardware is outdated. (weather you realized it or not) By the way, it's not the controls that make porting total war an issue: http://www.vg247.com/2012/07/13/total-war-on-consoles-is-a-question-of-power-not-controls-says-creative-assembly/ I'm getting my stepdaughter ready for Halloween, couldn't have had better timing. If we console gamers were trying to play ARMA, then you'd have a point. We're not You've already proven that console hardware is out of date yourself, and I have provided evidence to support your own claims as well as mine. I'm not addressing this issue any longer. I will however, give you the last word on that issue (I have to go), so make it nice and detailed. Regarding console gamers not wanting arma: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28886990 http://n4g.com/news/1019306/no-left-4-dead-no-problem-give-us-day-z-on-ps3-instead http://www.joystiq.com/2012/08/15/dayz-lead-wants-game-on-consoles-having-meetings-about-it-at/ Devs would not look into a gutted console port if they did not think the audience was there. If you don't think arma would sell on console if it were actually possible, please at least provide some half assed links to support such a claim.That it cannot run PC games does not make it out of date. Consoles run console games just fine, yes, even when they dip below 30 FPS, and there are still console games coming out quite often. Sure, Skyrim on the PS3 should have never been released, but it's completely playable on my 360. You can say that it's not up to your standards, of course, but if you're going to declare them out of date, you first have to explain why your standards are unarguably right and console gamers' are unarguably wrong. Good luck with that.
lowe0
[QUOTE="menes777"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Which gets back to what determines an outdated platform. If it's still getting current software releases, which apparently both the 360 and PS3 did yesterday, then is it really outdated?lowe0
OMG here we go again. So if the Commdore 64 were still getting updates to it's software it would not be out of date? I sure hope you understand that software updates are not the same as hardware updates.
We're not talking about the consoles' system software getting updates; we're talking about new applications (games) being actively developed for and released on the platform. Are you aware of any AAA games being developed for the C64 at the moment?So,if "AAA" games were still being developed for the C64 in 2012,then it wouldn´t be outdated?
Dearl lord...
I mean,considering the system´s limitations it´s hard to say what a AAA title would be/look like on those systems now,but hey,Halo for the Atari 2600 was released in 2010,we all know Halo is a AAA franchise,so I suppose the 2600 isn´t outdated then. :roll:
[QUOTE="Yundex"][QUOTE="lowe0"] If we console gamers were trying to play ARMA, then you'd have a point. We're notlowe0You've already proven that console hardware is out of date yourself, and I have provided evidence to support your own claims as well as mine. I'm not addressing this issue any longer. I will however, give you the last word on that issue (I have to go), so make it nice and detailed. Regarding console gamers not wanting arma: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28886990 http://n4g.com/news/1019306/no-left-4-dead-no-problem-give-us-day-z-on-ps3-instead http://www.joystiq.com/2012/08/15/dayz-lead-wants-game-on-consoles-having-meetings-about-it-at/ Devs would not look into a gutted console port if they did not think the audience was there. If you don't think arma would sell on console if it were actually possible, please at least provide some half assed links to support such a claim. If you're not going to continue to argue the issue, then what's the point? The debate cannot go on any longer! You think software is the determining factor on weather or not hardware is relevant. I disagree, and have already explained my reasoning. Which is why i'm giving you the last word on the issue!
Diablo did so well because it's blizzard...
Do you see other games, with low end requirements selling like Diablo ?
[QUOTE="Yundex"][QUOTE="lowe0"] If you're not going to continue to argue the issue, then what's the point?lowe0The debate cannot go on any longer! You think software is the determining factor on weather or not hardware is relevant. I disagree, and have already explained my reasoning. Which is why i'm giving you the last word on the issue! Then the last word is, we agree to disagree. I see your point. I just don't think it's the universal answer to this particular question.
I think your agreement that consolites are happy with lower standards renders all this pointless,
Then the last word is, we agree to disagree. I see your point. I just don't think it's the universal answer to this particular question.[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Yundex"] The debate cannot go on any longer! You think software is the determining factor on weather or not hardware is relevant. I disagree, and have already explained my reasoning. Which is why i'm giving you the last word on the issue!tenaka2
I think your agreement that consolites are happy with lower standards renders all this pointless,
Because?[QUOTE="menes777"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Which gets back to what determines an outdated platform. If it's still getting current software releases, which apparently both the 360 and PS3 did yesterday, then is it really outdated?lowe0
OMG here we go again. So if the Commdore 64 were still getting updates to it's software it would not be out of date? I sure hope you understand that software updates are not the same as hardware updates.
We're not talking about the consoles' system software getting updates; we're talking about new applications (games) being actively developed for and released on the platform. Are you aware of any AAA games being developed for the C64 at the moment?LOL there you go again moving the goal posts. We aren't talking about outdated in terms of not being supported anymore or no new software being developed for it. You shifted the goalposts to make that somehow the objective here despite no one else arguing that angle. Also you again also confusing obsolete with outdated. Again console hardware is outdated. Please read that very carefully. HARDWARE. No where does that say that it's not being developed for or that it's not being supported by a certain entity. Simply that the hardware is not the latest and greatest. You just sound like someone that keeps shifting the argument so you never have to admit your wrong.
[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Then the last word is, we agree to disagree. I see your point. I just don't think it's the universal answer to this particular question.lowe0
I think your agreement that consolites are happy with lower standards renders all this pointless,
Because?Because it all goes back to your pointless preferences argument. Someone can write up a huge argument on how X is better than Y. But you point your nose in and say "doesn't matter at this point in my life I prefer Y". That's great, but it doesnt invalidate the arguments for X and your contribution is pointless. Anyone can say they prefer anything, it's pointless as an argument because it neither backs anything up or is refutable.
We're not talking about the consoles' system software getting updates; we're talking about new applications (games) being actively developed for and released on the platform. Are you aware of any AAA games being developed for the C64 at the moment?[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="menes777"]
OMG here we go again. So if the Commdore 64 were still getting updates to it's software it would not be out of date? I sure hope you understand that software updates are not the same as hardware updates.
menes777
LOL there you go again moving the goal posts. We aren't talking about outdated in terms of not being supported anymore or no new support being developed for it. You shifted the goalposts to make that somehow the objective here despite no one else arguing that angle. Also you again also confusing obsolete with outdated. Again console hardware is outdated. Please read that very carefully. HARDWARE. No where does that say that it's not being developed for or that it's not being supported by a certain entity. Simply that the hardware is not the latest and greatest. You just sound like someone that keeps shifting the argument so you never have to admit your wrong.
Its like you've never seen lowe post before .... :?[QUOTE="menes777"][QUOTE="lowe0"] We're not talking about the consoles' system software getting updates; we're talking about new applications (games) being actively developed for and released on the platform. Are you aware of any AAA games being developed for the C64 at the moment?blue_hazy_basic
LOL there you go again moving the goal posts. We aren't talking about outdated in terms of not being supported anymore or no new support being developed for it. You shifted the goalposts to make that somehow the objective here despite no one else arguing that angle. Also you again also confusing obsolete with outdated. Again console hardware is outdated. Please read that very carefully. HARDWARE. No where does that say that it's not being developed for or that it's not being supported by a certain entity. Simply that the hardware is not the latest and greatest. You just sound like someone that keeps shifting the argument so you never have to admit your wrong.
Its like you've never seen lowe post before .... :?I think I have some masochist in me. ;)
You are right though, that's the exact Lowe MO I keep falling for. :lol:
We're not talking about the consoles' system software getting updates; we're talking about new applications (games) being actively developed for and released on the platform. Are you aware of any AAA games being developed for the C64 at the moment?[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="menes777"]
OMG here we go again. So if the Commdore 64 were still getting updates to it's software it would not be out of date? I sure hope you understand that software updates are not the same as hardware updates.
menes777
LOL there you go again moving the goal posts. We aren't talking about outdated in terms of not being supported anymore or no new support being developed for it. You shifted the goalposts to make that somehow the objective here despite no one else arguing that angle. Also you again also confusing obsolete with outdated. Again console hardware is outdated. Please read that very carefully. HARDWARE. No where does that say that it's not being developed for or that it's not being supported by a certain entity. Simply that the hardware is not the latest and greatest. You just sound like someone that keeps shifting the argument so you never have to admit your wrong.
Again, I understand that the hardware has less performance than newer hardware. I'm saying that's not the best factor in determining whether it's out of date. The internal combustion engine is a century old and outperformed by electric motors, but it's hardly considered out of date.Because?[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
I think your agreement that consolites are happy with lower standards renders all this pointless,
menes777
Because it all goes back to your pointless preferences argument. Someone can write up a huge argument on how X is better than Y. But you point your nose in and say "doesn't matter at this point in my life I prefer Y". That's great, but it does invalidate the arguments for X and your contribution is pointless. Anyone can say they prefer anything, it's pointless as an argument because it neither backs anything up or is refutable.
Don't even consider preference as part of it. I'm asking what makes one set of standards correct and the other incorrect.
[QUOTE="menes777"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Because?lowe0
Because it all goes back to your pointless preferences argument. Someone can write up a huge argument on how X is better than Y. But you point your nose in and say "doesn't matter at this point in my life I prefer Y". That's great, but it does invalidate the arguments for X and your contribution is pointless. Anyone can say they prefer anything, it's pointless as an argument because it neither backs anything up or is refutable.
Don't even consider preference as part of it. I'm asking what makes one set of standards correct and the other incorrect.lol who mentioned correct and incorrect? Talk about loaded posts.
Console gamers have inferior standards, you already admitted to this, not much else to discuss.
Don't even consider preference as part of it. I'm asking what makes one set of standards correct and the other incorrect.[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="menes777"]
Because it all goes back to your pointless preferences argument. Someone can write up a huge argument on how X is better than Y. But you point your nose in and say "doesn't matter at this point in my life I prefer Y". That's great, but it does invalidate the arguments for X and your contribution is pointless. Anyone can say they prefer anything, it's pointless as an argument because it neither backs anything up or is refutable.
tenaka2
lol who mentioned correct and incorrect? Talk about loaded posts.
Console gamers have inferior standards, you already admitted to this, not much else to discuss.
What makes our standards inferior, as opposed to simply lower?[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Don't even consider preference as part of it. I'm asking what makes one set of standards correct and the other incorrect.lowe0
lol who mentioned correct and incorrect? Talk about loaded posts.
Console gamers have inferior standards, you already admitted to this, not much else to discuss.
What makes our standards inferior, as opposed to simply lower?Lower, inferior, out of date, sub-standard, weak, poor, pick whatever word makes you feel best lowe0 it isn't realy important.
[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="lowe0"] Don't even consider preference as part of it. I'm asking what makes one set of standards correct and the other incorrect.lowe0
lol who mentioned correct and incorrect? Talk about loaded posts.
Console gamers have inferior standards, you already admitted to this, not much else to discuss.
What makes our standards inferior, as opposed to simply lower?Actually the whole "lower standards" is bs.
Does PC have a game like Virtua Fighter 5, SMG 2 (no, emulation does not equal a "legit" release), Gran Turismo 5, SSX, Okami, Wind Waker, ICO & SotC, ect.?
No?
Then it has lower standards in those genres, plain and simple.
(consoles may have lower standards in RTS, MMO and simulation genres)
Thats like saying the PS2 is holding back the 360.
What makes our standards inferior, as opposed to simply lower?[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
lol who mentioned correct and incorrect? Talk about loaded posts.
Console gamers have inferior standards, you already admitted to this, not much else to discuss.
nameless12345
Actually the whole "lower standards" is bs.
Does PC have a game like Virtua Fighter 5, SMG 2 (no, emulation does not equal a "legit" release), Gran Turismo 5, SSX, Okami, Wind Waker, ICO & SotC, ect.?
No?
Then it has lower standards in those genres, plain and simple.
(consoles may have lower standards in RTS, MMO and simulation genres)
We are discussing hardware and poor perfomance of console games (low rez, low fps etc) what are you discussing?
We're not talking about the consoles' system software getting updates; we're talking about new applications (games) being actively developed for and released on the platform. Are you aware of any AAA games being developed for the C64 at the moment?[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="menes777"]
OMG here we go again. So if the Commdore 64 were still getting updates to it's software it would not be out of date? I sure hope you understand that software updates are not the same as hardware updates.
menes777
LOL there you go again moving the goal posts. We aren't talking about outdated in terms of not being supported anymore or no new software being developed for it. You shifted the goalposts to make that somehow the objective here despite no one else arguing that angle. Also you again also confusing obsolete with outdated. Again console hardware is outdated. Please read that very carefully. HARDWARE. No where does that say that it's not being developed for or that it's not being supported by a certain entity. Simply that the hardware is not the latest and greatest. You just sound like someone that keeps shifting the argument so you never have to admit your wrong.
first time arguing with lowe0 i see:P
What makes our standards inferior, as opposed to simply lower?[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
lol who mentioned correct and incorrect? Talk about loaded posts.
Console gamers have inferior standards, you already admitted to this, not much else to discuss.
tenaka2
Lower, inferior, out of date, sub-standard, weak, poor, pick whatever word makes you feel best lowe0 it isn't realy important.
You do realize that "lower" and "inferior" mean two different things, so no, I can't just pick one. Be specific about what you mean.[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"] What makes our standards inferior, as opposed to simply lower?tenaka2
Actually the whole "lower standards" is bs.
Does PC have a game like Virtua Fighter 5, SMG 2 (no, emulation does not equal a "legit" release), Gran Turismo 5, SSX, Okami, Wind Waker, ICO & SotC, ect.?
No?
Then it has lower standards in those genres, plain and simple.
(consoles may have lower standards in RTS, MMO and simulation genres)
We are discussing hardware and poor perfomance of console games (low rez, low fps etc) what are you discussing?
What matters the most - games...
[QUOTE="menes777"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"] We're not talking about the consoles' system software getting updates; we're talking about new applications (games) being actively developed for and released on the platform. Are you aware of any AAA games being developed for the C64 at the moment?lawlessx
LOL there you go again moving the goal posts. We aren't talking about outdated in terms of not being supported anymore or no new software being developed for it. You shifted the goalposts to make that somehow the objective here despite no one else arguing that angle. Also you again also confusing obsolete with outdated. Again console hardware is outdated. Please read that very carefully. HARDWARE. No where does that say that it's not being developed for or that it's not being supported by a certain entity. Simply that the hardware is not the latest and greatest. You just sound like someone that keeps shifting the argument so you never have to admit your wrong.
first time arguing with lowe0 i see:P
Perhaps you'd like to point out what is wrong with my statement that performance is not the sole factor in determining whether hardware is out of date, instead of just reacting to the fact that it's me saying it? Focus on the post, not the poster.[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="lowe0"] What makes our standards inferior, as opposed to simply lower?lowe0
Lower, inferior, out of date, sub-standard, weak, poor, pick whatever word makes you feel best lowe0 it isn't realy important.
You do realize that "lower" and "inferior" mean two different things, so no, I can't just pick one. Be specific about what you mean.Not in this context lowe0, console technical specifications and console gamers standards are lower/inferior to PC gamers standards.
You do realize that "lower" and "inferior" mean two different things, so no, I can't just pick one. Be specific about what you mean.[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
Lower, inferior, out of date, sub-standard, weak, poor, pick whatever word makes you feel best lowe0 it isn't realy important.
tenaka2
Not in this context lowe0, console technical specifications and console gamers standards are lower/inferior to PC gamers standards.
Is it that our standards are too low, or that yours are unrealistically high for the current market? We've established that our standards for hardware are lower, but not that it's wrong for them to be.[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="lowe0"] You do realize that "lower" and "inferior" mean two different things, so no, I can't just pick one. Be specific about what you mean.lowe0
Not in this context lowe0, console technical specifications and console gamers standards are lower/inferior to PC gamers standards.
Is it that our standards are too low, or that yours are unrealistically high for the current market? We've established that our standards for hardware are lower, but not that it's wrong for them to be.How are our standards unrealistically high?[QUOTE="tenaka2"]
[QUOTE="nameless12345"]
Actually the whole "lower standards" is bs.
Does PC have a game like Virtua Fighter 5, SMG 2 (no, emulation does not equal a "legit" release), Gran Turismo 5, SSX, Okami, Wind Waker, ICO & SotC, ect.?
No?
Then it has lower standards in those genres, plain and simple.
(consoles may have lower standards in RTS, MMO and simulation genres)
nameless12345
We are discussing hardware and poor perfomance of console games (low rez, low fps etc) what are you discussing?
What matters the most - games...
Current games are feeling the restrictions. The current crop of consoles are old in terms of hardware. Without the jump in hardware, you cannot have a jump in game quality.Is it that our standards are too low, or that yours are unrealistically high for the current market? We've established that our standards for hardware are lower, but not that it's wrong for them to be.How are our standards unrealistically high? Millions of gamers are willing to play at the standard consoles can meet. Is it realistic for developers to ignore that segment of the market to keep from compromising the PC versions of their games? If you're Chris Roberts and can get people to pledge $90 on average, sure. Conversely, look at all the hate Rockstar is getting for not announcing GTA V on PC yet because they're focusing on getting the console versions out the door.[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
Not in this context lowe0, console technical specifications and console gamers standards are lower/inferior to PC gamers standards.
Yundex
[QUOTE="nameless12345"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
We are discussing hardware and poor perfomance of console games (low rez, low fps etc) what are you discussing?
clyde46
What matters the most - games...
Current games are feeling the restrictions. The current crop of consoles are old in terms of hardware. Without the jump in hardware, you cannot have a jump in game quality. Yes you can, because power doesn't equal quality. Skyrim is way better then Oblivion and didn't need new hardware.
Is it that our standards are too low, or that yours are unrealistically high for the current market? We've established that our standards for hardware are lower, but not that it's wrong for them to be.How are our standards unrealistically high? Its no different from choosing bluray over DVD or choosing DVD over VHS. lowe wants to argue just to argue about opinions matter more then some facts[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
Not in this context lowe0, console technical specifications and console gamers standards are lower/inferior to PC gamers standards.
Yundex
[QUOTE="menes777"]
[QUOTE="lowe0"] We're not talking about the consoles' system software getting updates; we're talking about new applications (games) being actively developed for and released on the platform. Are you aware of any AAA games being developed for the C64 at the moment?lawlessx
LOL there you go again moving the goal posts. We aren't talking about outdated in terms of not being supported anymore or no new software being developed for it. You shifted the goalposts to make that somehow the objective here despite no one else arguing that angle. Also you again also confusing obsolete with outdated. Again console hardware is outdated. Please read that very carefully. HARDWARE. No where does that say that it's not being developed for or that it's not being supported by a certain entity. Simply that the hardware is not the latest and greatest. You just sound like someone that keeps shifting the argument so you never have to admit your wrong.
first time arguing with lowe0 i see:P
This is actually probably my 3rd or 4th go around with him. I just keep making the mistake of thinking he might actually get it this time!:)
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[QUOTE="menes777"]
LOL there you go again moving the goal posts. We aren't talking about outdated in terms of not being supported anymore or no new software being developed for it. You shifted the goalposts to make that somehow the objective here despite no one else arguing that angle. Also you again also confusing obsolete with outdated. Again console hardware is outdated. Please read that very carefully. HARDWARE. No where does that say that it's not being developed for or that it's not being supported by a certain entity. Simply that the hardware is not the latest and greatest. You just sound like someone that keeps shifting the argument so you never have to admit your wrong.
menes777
first time arguing with lowe0 i see:P
This is actually probably my 3rd or 4th go around with him. I just keep making the mistake of thinking he might actually get it this time!:)
Get what? Be specific.[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]Current games are feeling the restrictions. The current crop of consoles are old in terms of hardware. Without the jump in hardware, you cannot have a jump in game quality. Yes you can, because power doesn't equal quality. Skyrim is way better then Oblivion and didn't need new hardware.What matters the most - games...
locopatho
Skyrim used the same base engine as Oblivion,cell areas are the same size, both games have many graphical compromises. Your comparing a game that was basically a launch title only using only the majority of its processing power vs a game released when the console is fully optimized to use all resources. Hardware abilities and its resources have a large impact in what developers can use and what they have to compromise to make it work. Perfect example is PS3 version of Skyrim's dawnguard DLC, System does not have enough system memory to handle some of the levels.
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