PC gaming piracy is sickening, enough excuses already

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]piracy is more akin to squatting than theft. if you purchase a game legally, then you purchase a licsence(lease) to use the software, you do not own it. pirates use the software without the liscense, it is the same as someone who is living in a house without paying rent or letting the owner know they are there. piracy is not theft, it is squatting.dc337

It's well established that once piracy rates get high enough software companies will exit the market. So no it isn't squatting, you're stealing the work of others and when enough people do it the companies feel the effect and change strategies. For pc gaming today that means a lot more casual and subscription games while single player exclusives like Deus Ex have become rare.

But can be highly unscrupulous for a company that bases its business off used game sales and gets employees to push recently traded-in copies over sealed, new copies... thus hurting developers and publishers financially.

A store that deals in used games that are out of print is fine... but when you can go into Gamestop and buy a used copy of a game like Assassin's Creed II a week after it came out for $5 less than a sealed copy, that is when I draw the line between "good" used game sales and "bad" used game sales that are hurting the gaming industry.

foxhound_fox

It's legal, and therefore is perfectly ethical. It's called c-a-p-i-t-a-l-i-s-m. If I buy something, then under a capitalist system, I have a right to sell it to someone else. You're acting as if there were a moral dilemna with buying & selling used cars. There isn't any at all. A video game is like any other manufactured product. Manufacturers must accept that people will buy their products, use them, and then turn around and sell them to others when they feel that they do not need the product any longer. If they have a problem with this, then perhaps they should move to North Korea.

dc337: Genius, I'd like you to point out how anyone can know how prolific pirating on your Xbox 360 could be considering most Xbox pirating occurs with copying a disk from a rental as opposed to a tracked online download?

I'd love to hear it, fanboy.

CheckMate

There is a culture of piracy with pc gaming and this thread proves it.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]piracy is more akin to squatting than theft. if you purchase a game legally, then you purchase a licsence(lease) to use the software, you do not own it. pirates use the software without the liscense, it is the same as someone who is living in a house without paying rent or letting the owner know they are there. piracy is not theft, it is squatting.dc337

It's well established that once piracy rates get high enough software companies will exit the market. So no it isn't squatting, you're stealing the work of others and when enough people do it the companies feel the effect and change strategies. For pc gaming today that means a lot more casual and subscription games while single player exclusives like Deus Ex have become rare.

The fact of the matter is that for it to be theft, you must be taking and removing something from another's possession. With piracy, you're not technically removing something. All you're doing is accessing something which does not have a fungible withdraw on the part of the victim. It is squatting, and you should be happy this man has found a legal loophole to charge pirates. Because as it was, you would have been laughed out a courtroom.Vandalvideo

There is a culture of piracy with pc gaming and this thread proves it.dc337

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]The fact of the matter is that for it to be theft, you must be taking and removing something from another's possession. With piracy, you're not technically removing something. All you're doing is accessing something which does not have a fungible withdraw on the part of the victim. It is squatting, and you should be happy this man has found a legal loophole to charge pirates. Because as it was, you would have been laughed out a courtroom.dc337

No it's not theft it's trespassing... understand the difference.

It's would be hard to believe that there is even a 10% increase in total 360 pirated copies from rentals when a rental itself costs $6-8 whereas downloading is free. Note also that the numbers stated are from a single tracker which means that it does not include all public and private trackers, p2p networks and 1-to-1 pc piracy which is much easier and more common than console rental piracy.


As for being a fanboy yes I prefer the 360 but I keep a pc for exclusives and the occasional lan party. I may have to go to a public lan event with a hidden video camera to show people how ubiquitous pc piracy really is. There's basically a massive illegal file exchange before any gaming takes place.dc337

*sigh*

Now this is just plain, utterly ridiculous.

I wonder, how do you play games on X360 if you do not have a disk to put them on? Didn't one of the latest XBL updates remove the possibility of putting a 3rd party HDD in the console?

There is a culture of ignorance with pc hating and this thread proves it.

dc337

Fixed.

It's would be hard to believe that there is even a 10% increase in total 360 pirated copies from rentals when a rental itself costs $6-8 whereas downloading is free. Note also that the numbers stated are from a single tracker which means that it does not include all public and private trackers, p2p networks and 1-to-1 pc piracy which is much easier and more common than console rental piracy.


As for being a fanboy yes I prefer the 360 but I keep a pc for exclusives and the occasional lan party. I may have to go to a public lan event with a hidden video camera to show people how ubiquitous pc piracy really is. There's basically a massive illegal file exchange before any gaming takes place.

There is a culture of piracy with pc gaming and this thread proves it.

dc337

Paying 6-8 bucks and copying a game to build a library is far cheaper than paying 50-60 bucks a game.

One only needs to look at the success of mod chips to realize that quite a few people do this to their console.

If piracy is as detrimental to PC gaming as you suggest, it would be logical to assume that these large corporate publishers would have the ability to prevent people from stealing their profits.

As I stated in an earlier post: Corporate Microsoft is a bigger threat to the prevalence of PC gaming than piracy.

I find it amazing that you focus on the one game that has had this many illegal downloads all the while ignoring the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of million sellers on PC. Look on Wikipedia, they're there. And yes, there are alot. The Witcher, Crysis (2.5 million to date not including DD or Warhead), and Half Life 2 are just a few of a long list of examples. Even Capcom was extremely happy with their PC sales of SFIV. Talk about ignorance. Look at one thing ignore all the others that prove you wrong. Keep in mind as well that retail is only about 50% of PC game sales. DD makes up the other 50%. And DD isn't counted.

The PC userbase is huge compared to consoles, which is why a piracy rate like the one for MW2 looks so bad by comparison... but you forget to realize that when 4.1 out of over 250 million (1.64%) people are pirating a game, it doesn't look so bad as compared to say 1.5 out of 30 million (5%).

foxhound_fox

Then why don't PC games sell like 5x more copies than console versions if the userbase is 250 million?

Did you even read my post?

The PC userbase is huge compared to consoles, which is why a piracy rate like the one for MW2 looks so bad by comparison... but you forget to realize that when 4.1 out of over 250 million (1.64%) people are pirating a game, it doesn't look so bad as compared to say 1.5 out of 30 million (5%). foxhound_fox

Your argument breaks down to: If I include all the senior citizens playing flash games, 15 year old girls who buy Nancy Drew, and all the Warcraft players then pc piracy as a percentage of total pc gaming isn't so bad. This is a disingenuous argument because we are clearly talking about a subset of the gaming market.

So would you rather I state that piracy rates of multiplats are far higher on pc than consoles?

A torrent site like piratebay lists the number of "downloads" for the downloads of the torrent tracker, not the actual torrent itself. The content of the torrent is not tracked by the piratebay. The number of times the software is downloaded is completely unknown. foxhound_fox

For multiplats the pc version will have the highest piracy and the lowest sales. You can't escape that fact so stop trying.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

The PC userbase is huge compared to consoles, which is why a piracy rate like the one for MW2 looks so bad by comparison... but you forget to realize that when 4.1 out of over 250 million (1.64%) people are pirating a game, it doesn't look so bad as compared to say 1.5 out of 30 million (5%).

xsubtownerx

Then why don't PC games sell like 5x more copies than console versions if the userbase is 250 million?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

The PC userbase is huge compared to consoles, which is why a piracy rate like the one for MW2 looks so bad by comparison... but you forget to realize that when 4.1 out of over 250 million (1.64%) people are pirating a game, it doesn't look so bad as compared to say 1.5 out of 30 million (5%).

xsubtownerx

Then why don't PC games sell like 5x more copies than console versions if the userbase is 250 million?

Who cares which platform is being affected the most by pirating. I find all of these posters trying to rationalize their pirating laughable. Using the exact definition of stealing to show they aren't exactly "stealing". Games like most software are copywrited material. It is Intellectual Property and when you pirate it you are obtaining it illegally wether you want to cal it theft or not.

The argument that devs have enough money and piracy didnt effect them too much is dumb. The more money the company makes of a good product, the more they will invest in future endevours. If more of copies of the games were legally purchased, it would lead to more support on the platform.

With MW2, i find it funny that many "boycotters" didnt buy the game, but obviously wanted to play it and illegally obtained it. The developers choices to subtract ded servers and other features does not rationalize pirating the game. It's just dumb logic.

Also, with the success of MMO's. We are allready seeing a ton of "pay per month" games. These games are the wave of the future even outside RPGS I bet. This way they get their guarenteed income every month and wouldnt care about how the gamer aquires the software.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

The PC userbase is huge compared to consoles, which is why a piracy rate like the one for MW2 looks so bad by comparison... but you forget to realize that when 4.1 out of over 250 million (1.64%) people are pirating a game, it doesn't look so bad as compared to say 1.5 out of 30 million (5%).

xsubtownerx

Then why don't PC games sell like 5x more copies than console versions if the userbase is 250 million?

Unlike consoles, where they market it to a specific demographic of people to maximise sales of certain games, the PC userbase is spread over hundreds of different games and demographics. You can't get MMO, RTS, Sim, Adventure, X4 or cRPG fans to buy a game like Half-Life or MW2. Furthermore PC gamers tend to stick with certain games, rather than rush to the next big thing like console gamers tend to do. People don't seem to realise how different the PC and console markets are.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

The PC userbase is huge compared to consoles, which is why a piracy rate like the one for MW2 looks so bad by comparison... but you forget to realize that when 4.1 out of over 250 million (1.64%) people are pirating a game, it doesn't look so bad as compared to say 1.5 out of 30 million (5%).

xsubtownerx

Then why don't PC games sell like 5x more copies than console versions if the userbase is 250 million?

Because I really doubt it's 250 million PC gamers, unless they're counting everyone to of even played a flash game on a website as a "pc gamer", or everyone owning a PC capable of running games a pc gamer.

So....have we solved anything yet?

Who cares which platform is being affected the most by pirating. I find all of these posters trying to rationalize their pirating laughable. Using the exact definition of stealing to show they aren't exactly "stealing". Games like most software are copywrited material. It is Intellectual Property and when you pirate it you are obtaining it illegally wether you want to cal it theft or not.

The argument that devs have enough money and piracy didnt effect them too much is dumb. The more money the company makes of a good product, the more they will invest in future endevours. If more of copies of the games were legally purchased, it would lead to more support on the platform.

With MW2, i find it funny that many "boycotters" didnt buy the game, but obviously wanted to play it and illegally obtained it. The developers choices to subtract ded servers and other features does not rationalize pirating the game. It's just dumb logic.

ankor77

Who cares which platform is being affected the most by pirating. I find all of these posters trying to rationalize their pirating laughable. Using the exact definition of stealing to show they aren't exactly "stealing". Games like most software are copywrited material. It is Intellectual Property and when you pirate it you are obtaining it illegally wether you want to cal it theft or not.

The argument that devs have enough money and piracy didnt effect them too much is dumb. The more money the company makes of a good product, the more they will invest in future endevours. If more of copies of the games were legally purchased, it would lead to more support on the platform.

With MW2, i find it funny that many "boycotters" didnt buy the game, but obviously wanted to play it and illegally obtained it. The developers choices to subtract ded servers and other features does not rationalize pirating the game. It's just dumb logic.

ankor77

Well said.

I'm a PC gamer and I often hear hermits on this site complain about the "consolization" of PC games, that is, game design being pushed by console specs as opposed to superior PC specs.

What they don't seem to accept is that when a company like Crytek makes a megaton exclusive game like Crysis and it's pirated more than it's purchased, they decide to push it multiplat.

Inevitably, the game's design will be altered to better fit consoles and this will be a direct result of pirating. Which is why the lion's share of PC games don't reallly offer anything above console games other than higher resolution and greater AA/AF, which doesn't matter to the couch/TV gamers who are lucky if they have 720p TV.

Piracy is morally wrong, illegal, and certainly affects how developers perceive the PC as a high-end gaming platform. So PC will still get support, but likely as an after thought.

'm a PC gamer and I often hear hermits on this site complain about the "consolization" of PC games, that is, game design being pushed by console specs as opposed to superior PC specs.What they don't seem to accept is that when a company like Crytek makes a megaton exclusive game like Crysis and it's pirated more than it's purchased, they decide to push it multiplat.Inevitably, the game's design will be altered to better fit consoles and this will be a direct result of pirating. Which is why the lion's share of PC games don't reallly offer anything above console games other than higher resolution and greater AA/AF.Piracy is morally wrong, illegal, and certainly affects how developers perceive the PC as a high-end gaming platform. So PC will still get support, but likely as an after thought.gamecubepad

I'll concede that there is a true lack of demos in the last few years, but that does not make it right in the first place. How can we calculate what percentage of pirater's than buy the game? I am guessing it is pretty small anyways. I would bet money to the opposite of which you stated. While the percentage of actual would be sales lost to piracy may be small, I would bet the number of people who then purchase the game they illegally downloaded for free is smaller.

It is still a rationalization of their original illegal choice.

Anyways, this argument is going nowhere. Endless thread that will not change anyone's mind

I disagree with a few points you made. Vandalvideo

That's fine. It's really a point of view thing. Crysis, and Warhead, have certainly been profitable for Crytek. Yet, considering the alleged number of PC gamers in the world, it's a sales failure compared to the best exclusives on consoles.

With approx. 20 million install base for each system at the time of the release of the defacto exclusives on consoles, Halo 3, MGS 4, and SSBB/SMG managed to destroy what Crysis did with it's "200million+" user base.

This along with piracy = kiss your big exclusives goodbye.

Consoles are going to push gaming from here on out. Sit back and enjoy the ride courtesy of piracy, for the most part.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] I disagree with a few points you made. gamecubepad

That's fine. It's really a point of view thing. Crysis, and Warhead, have certainly been profitable for Crytek. Yet, considering the alleged number of PC gamers in the world, it's a sales failure compared to the best exclusives on consoles.

With approx. 20 million install base for each system at the time of the release of the defacto exclusives on consoles, Halo 3, MGS 4, and SSBB/SMG managed to destroy what Crysis did with it's "200million+" user base.

This along with piracy = kiss your big exclusives goodbye.

Consoles are going to push gaming from here on out. Sit back and enjoy the ride courtesy of piracy, for the most part.

Then why don't PC games sell like 5x more copies than console versions if the userbase is 250 million?

xsubtownerx

That and sales tracking on PC is incredibly dubious. Most sources only follow brick and mortar retail (which has been sharply declining for years now)... while the PC has been basically overtaken by digital distribution.

I redirect you to my prior points if you want to claim that Crysis so far is a failure.Vandalvideo

I agree that there are tons of great indie games on PC. I'd like to give a big shout out to Dead Frontier and garagegames' Instant Action service. Awesome games there for little to no cost.

Yet, it still doesn't change that PC allegedly has a 200million+ install base, and it's de facto game can't come close the sales that the prime console exlusives can hit. This is largely because of piracy imo, or else it must be that Crysis is overrated, or PC gamers play casual games like The Sims or Bejeweled, and not "hardcore" games like console gamers.

Oh noezzz, piracy is bad. Whatever will these companies do about the maybe 5% of pirates who would actually buy the games if they could not pirate!!!11111!!11!1 I also find it funny how you rip on PC but the second most pirated games was NSMBWii.

ActicEdge

the best way for companies to discourage piracy is to have a compelling multiplayer system. this is why blizzard games do so well. same with valve games. sadly IW took steps back in this department for pc gamers. So many didn't see a point in buying it if they just wanted to play the single player. At least that's what i believe to be the reasoning behind this.Ontain

I'm not sure why everyone thinks piracy is suddenly the developer's fault. Yes, the multiplayer was one of the reasons for the high piracy rates, but IW should not be expected to make concessions to pirates in developing their games.

PC-gaming is dying, all we pc-gamers will have to play in few years is couple MMO:s

So funny when pirates say they wont buy a game because they not like it but still they download it and play it :lol:

Yet, it still doesn't change that PC allegedly has a 200million+ install base, and it's de facto game can't come close the sales that the prime console exlusives can hit. This is largely because of piracy imo, or else it must be that Crysis is overrated, or PC gamers play casual games like The Sims or Bejeweled, and not "hardcore" games like console gamers.gamecubepad

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

The PC userbase is huge compared to consoles, which is why a piracy rate like the one for MW2 looks so bad by comparison... but you forget to realize that when 4.1 out of over 250 million (1.64%) people are pirating a game, it doesn't look so bad as compared to say 1.5 out of 30 million (5%).

hypoty

Then why don't PC games sell like 5x more copies than console versions if the userbase is 250 million?

Unlike consoles, where they market it to a specific demographic of people to maximise sales of certain games, the PC userbase is spread over hundreds of different games and demographics. You can't get MMO, RTS, Sim, Adventure, X4 or cRPG fans to buy a game like Half-Life or MW2. Furthermore PC gamers tend to stick with certain games, rather than rush to the next big thing like console gamers tend to do. People don't seem to realise how different the PC and console markets are.

Isn't that a double standard of some sort? Shouldn't that apply to piracy as well? 4.1 million is a lot no matter how you try and spin it, no?

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

Then why don't PC games sell like 5x more copies than console versions if the userbase is 250 million?

xsubtownerx

Unlike consoles, where they market it to a specific demographic of people to maximise sales of certain games, the PC userbase is spread over hundreds of different games and demographics. You can't get MMO, RTS, Sim, Adventure, X4 or cRPG fans to buy a game like Half-Life or MW2. Furthermore PC gamers tend to stick with certain games, rather than rush to the next big thing like console gamers tend to do. People don't seem to realise how different the PC and console markets are.

Isn't that a double standard of some sort? Shouldn't that apply to piracy as well? 4.1 million is a lot no matter how you try and spin it, no?

Nobody is denying that 4.1 million pirated copies is a lot. It's the reason behind these numbers that's the cause of the debate. How many times has Counter Strike Source or TF2 been pirated? I'm guessing not enough to make Mr. Newell complaing about it. Why? Because Valve doesn't treat their customers like ****. Valve doesn't spit on the faces of the very people without whom their little company would never have existed. Valve doesn't ignore their customers' demands.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]the best way for companies to discourage piracy is to have a compelling multiplayer system. this is why blizzard games do so well. same with valve games. sadly IW took steps back in this department for pc gamers. So many didn't see a point in buying it if they just wanted to play the single player. At least that's what i believe to be the reasoning behind this.Cherokee_Jack

I'm not sure why everyone thinks piracy is suddenly the developer's fault. Yes, the multiplayer was one of the reasons for the high piracy rates, but IW should not be expected to make concessions to pirates in developing their games.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks piracy is suddenly the developer's fault.Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]OK... It's disgusting.N30F3N1X

I'm about to drop the hammer and dispense some indiscriminate justice. No, who knows where this quote is from does not get a cookie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_sims_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_sims_3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starcraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_warcraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_life_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_%28video_game%29

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]Yet, it still doesn't change that PC allegedly has a 200million+ install base, and it's de facto game can't come close the sales that the prime console exlusives can hit. This is largely because of piracy imo, or else it must be that Crysis is overrated, or PC gamers play casual games like The Sims or Bejeweled, and not "hardcore" games like console gamers.Vandalvideo

I'm not ignoring your points Vandal. I simply have a different pov.

Crysis will not continue to sell. Once Crysis 2 comes out it's sales will flatline. Just watch. You're basically asserting that PC isn't for games like Crysis or Gran Turismo, but rather a test-bed for casual and indie games.

I'm saying that piracy is the reason games like Crysis or MW2 fail on PC, but succeed on consoles. Broadband is only going to get faster and faster. Which is why devs like Valve, Crytek, and id have set their sites on consoles.

The alleged 200million user install base is a deception. The general public prefers consoles over PCs in regards to gaming.

It's hard to say given that PC game sales numbers are esoteric, at best.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]the best way for companies to discourage piracy is to have a compelling multiplayer system. this is why blizzard games do so well. same with valve games. sadly IW took steps back in this department for pc gamers. So many didn't see a point in buying it if they just wanted to play the single player. At least that's what i believe to be the reasoning behind this.Cherokee_Jack

I'm not sure why everyone thinks piracy is suddenly the developer's fault. Yes, the multiplayer was one of the reasons for the high piracy rates, but IW should not be expected to make concessions to pirates in developing their games.

How come Steam doesn't want to release their sales figures?XenogearsMaster

http://www.edge-online.com/news/steam-unable-to-share-sales-data

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="gamecubepad"]Yet, it still doesn't change that PC allegedly has a 200million+ install base, and it's de facto game can't come close the sales that the prime console exlusives can hit. This is largely because of piracy imo, or else it must be that Crysis is overrated, or PC gamers play casual games like The Sims or Bejeweled, and not "hardcore" games like console gamers.gamecubepad

I'm not ignoring your points Vandal. I simply have a different pov.

Crysis will not continue to sell. Once Crysis 2 comes out it's sales will flatline. Just watch. You're basically asserting that PC isn't for games like Crysis or Gran Turismo, but rather a test-bed for casual and indie games.

I'm saying that piracy is the reason games like Crysis or MW2 fail on PC, but succeed on consoles. Broadband is only going to get faster and faster. Which is why devs like Valve, Crytek, and id have set their sites on consoles.

The alleged 200million user install base is a deception. The general public prefers consoles over PCs in regards to gaming.

It's hard to say given that PC game sales numbers are esoteric, at best.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="gamecubepad"]Yet, it still doesn't change that PC allegedly has a 200million+ install base, and it's de facto game can't come close the sales that the prime console exlusives can hit. This is largely because of piracy imo, or else it must be that Crysis is overrated, or PC gamers play casual games like The Sims or Bejeweled, and not "hardcore" games like console gamers.gamecubepad

I'm not ignoring your points Vandal. I simply have a different pov.

Crysis will not continue to sell. Once Crysis 2 comes out it's sales will flatline. Just watch. You're basically asserting that PC isn't for games like Crysis or Gran Turismo, but rather a test-bed for casual and indie games.

I'm saying that piracy is the reason games like Crysis or MW2 fail on PC, but succeed on consoles. Broadband is only going to get faster and faster. Which is why devs like Valve, Crytek, and id have set their sites on consoles.

The alleged 200million user install base is a deception. The general public prefers consoles over PCs in regards to gaming.

It's hard to say given that PC game sales numbers are esoteric, at best.

The thing about Crysis is, it is a bit misleading to say that the game went multiplat because of piracy. I mean, Crysis was on track to be one of the best selling games of all time. Vandalvideo

The Crytek CEO is not a console fanboy but an old-school pc gamer who used to brag about how his engines couldn't run on consoles and how he loved developing for the pc.

Now he is stating directly that piracy has forced him and another companies to abandon pc exclusives. It doesn't get anymore clear than that.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="hypoty"]

Unlike consoles, where they market it to a specific demographic of people to maximise sales of certain games, the PC userbase is spread over hundreds of different games and demographics. You can't get MMO, RTS, Sim, Adventure, X4 or cRPG fans to buy a game like Half-Life or MW2. Furthermore PC gamers tend to stick with certain games, rather than rush to the next big thing like console gamers tend to do. People don't seem to realise how different the PC and console markets are.

Hanass

Isn't that a double standard of some sort? Shouldn't that apply to piracy as well? 4.1 million is a lot no matter how you try and spin it, no?

Nobody is denying that 4.1 million pirated copies is a lot. It's the reason behind these numbers that's the cause of the debate. How many times has Counter Strike Source or TF2 been pirated? I'm guessing not enough to make Mr. Newell complaing about it. Why? Because Valve doesn't treat their customers like ****. Valve doesn't spit on the faces of the very people without whom their little company would never have existed. Valve doesn't ignore their customers' demands.

This made me laugh so much.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]The thing about Crysis is, it is a bit misleading to say that the game went multiplat because of piracy. I mean, Crysis was on track to be one of the best selling games of all time. dc337

The Crytek CEO is not a console fanboy but an old-school pc gamer who used to brag about how his engines couldn't run on consoles and how he loved developing for the pc.

Now he is stating directly that piracy has forced him and another companies to abandon pc exclusives. It doesn't get anymore clear than that.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]How come Steam doesn't want to release their sales figures?hypoty

http://www.edge-online.com/news/steam-unable-to-share-sales-data