PC gaming piracy is sickening, enough excuses already

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]Make the game worse? So you lost dedicated servers. Big F'n deal. The majority of people were cheating so why would they reward you guys with dedicated servers? Seriously.N30F3N1X

Sorry, I can't fathom what logic is behind this post.

IWnet was made because of cheats and hacks? This is entirely and utterly wrong. It's just so wrong I can't even believe someone can say such a thing.

Even worse, you think IWnet can somehow reduce cheats and hacks, while instead it removes the only true weapons the admins and/or the players can use against the aforementioned players.

Are you a first grader, or just lack common sense and knowledge? There's very little reasoning and knowledge needed to understand.

I didn't say it, I just quoted what I heard. And even if that wasn't the reason, it's only dedicated servers. I mean really. To use THAT as the reason why its OK to pirate a game and have 4.1 MILLION illegal downloads is just complete nonsense. xsubtownerx

You don't have a first clue of what does the lack of dedicated servers mean, don't you?

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] I didn't say it, I just quoted what I heard. And even if that wasn't the reason, it's only dedicated servers. I mean really. To use THAT as the reason why its OK to pirate a game and have 4.1 MILLION illegal downloads is just complete nonsense. N30F3N1X

You don't have a first clue of what does the lack of dedicated servers mean, don't you?

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] I didn't say it, I just quoted what I heard. And even if that wasn't the reason, it's only dedicated servers. I mean really. To use THAT as the reason why its OK to pirate a game and have 4.1 MILLION illegal downloads is just complete nonsense. N30F3N1X

You don't have a first clue of what does the lack of dedicated servers mean, don't you?

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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] I didn't say it, I just quoted what I heard. And even if that wasn't the reason, it's only dedicated servers. I mean really. To use THAT as the reason why its OK to pirate a game and have 4.1 MILLION illegal downloads is just complete nonsense. lowe0

You don't have a first clue of what does the lack of dedicated servers mean, don't you?

Most of PC games doesn't sells as much as the console games, and unfortunatelly the piracy is a bigger problem than it'son the other platforms, but still PC Gaming grows more and more every year, with lots of new titles and developers arriving. Today the PC has more third party exclusives than all consoles together, proof that this platform is strong as ever.

Services like Steam, GOG, Direct2Drive, Impulse and others are minimizing the piracy problem. I've never bought as many games as I did in 2009.

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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] I didn't say it, I just quoted what I heard. And even if that wasn't the reason, it's only dedicated servers. I mean really. To use THAT as the reason why its OK to pirate a game and have 4.1 MILLION illegal downloads is just complete nonsense. lowe0

You don't have a first clue of what does the lack of dedicated servers mean, don't you?

Even if you don't care about dedicated servers (like me), there's still the injustified $60 price tag.

Most of PC games doesn't sells as much as the console games, and unfortunatelly the piracy is a bigger problem than it'son the other platforms, but still PC Gaming grows more and more every year, with lots of new titles and developers arriving. Today the PC has more third party exclusives than all consoles together, proof that this platform is strong as ever.

Services like Steam, GOG, Direct2Drive, Impulse and others are minimizing the piracy problem. I've never bought as many games as I did in 2009.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="dc337"] You're with the bible believers union and you are supporting piracy? So in which verse did Christ tell people to steal if they didn't like the product?

GTR2addict

I would have edited this post in fear of moderation.

So if it's so unbearable without DS, why not just play one of the many games that have them? Why not just play CoD4, which still has them? Or why not just wait for the next Battlefield game, which includes them?lowe0

People is still playing CoD4. I don't see your point.

PC games are cheaper than console games, yet are still pirated. Strange.Hexagon_777

But I like growing a beard and gold is shiny.

[QUOTE="dc337"]

You mean your justification for piracy. If you break a software product you are responsible for replacing it with a legal product. Just because you broke it does not give you the right to steal a replacement copy.

dkrustyklown

Actually, you are completely wrong here. It is legal to download a game that you have already purchased, provided that it is a single installation on a single machine. For example, it is legal for me to possess an emulator of Eternal Darkness because I actually purchased a legitimate copy of Eternal Darkness. By law, I am allowed to have one backup copy of any copyrighted work that I have legally purchased. The law itself makes no reference to how the backup copy has to be acquired. So if I purchased a copy of a game and I then broke the disc in half, I would be perfectly within my legal rights to download a copy from a pirate site.

I suggest you that you take some time to familiarize yourself with copyright law.

Why are some people acting like PC game piracy is a new problem. It's always been a huge concern since the 90s and even before. The main reason some developers have abandoned or short-changed the PC is because they believe they can sell so many more console copies of a game. I think that's what Monolith did with Fear 2, but that game was a sales disappointment despite console marketing. With PC games, long-term sales are key to success. I mean Crysis sold well over 1.5 million copies, and STALKER sold 2 million at least. Modern Warfare 2 is definitely selling less on PC than Call of Duty 4. I am guessing Call of Duty 4 on PC has sold 2.5 million-3 million, which is excellent. It's less than the console versions, but still quite profitable on its own.

Why are some people acting like PC game piracy is a new problem. It's always been a huge concern since the 90s and even before. The main reason some developers have abandoned or short-changed the PC is because they believe they can sell so many more console copies of a game. I think that's what Monolith did with Fear 2, but that game was a sales disappointment despite console marketing. With PC games, long-term sales are key to success. I mean Crysis sold well over 1.5 million copies, and STALKER sold 2 million at least. Modern Warfare 2 is definitely selling less on PC than Call of Duty 4. I am guessing Call of Duty 4 on PC has sold 2.5 million-3 million, which is excellent. It's less than the console versions, but still quite profitable on its own.

harjyotbanwait

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[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] I didn't say it, I just quoted what I heard. And even if that wasn't the reason, it's only dedicated servers. I mean really. To use THAT as the reason why its OK to pirate a game and have 4.1 MILLION illegal downloads is just complete nonsense. lowe0

You don't have a first clue of what does the lack of dedicated servers mean, don't you?

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

You don't have a first clue of what does the lack of dedicated servers mean, don't you?

cametall

Well technically it isn't a pathetic reason. In the USA copying data without paying is not theft. You couldn't charge someone with theft for that, because it isn't theft. Just like you can't charge someone who punched you in the face and gave you a black eye, with murder.

Why are some people acting like PC game piracy is a new problem. It's always been a huge concern since the 90s and even before. Modern Warfare 2 is definitely selling less on PC than Call of Duty 4.

harjyotbanwait

I have seen that the most pirated games are the ones that developers try to protect the most. For example, see in 2008; as far as I know Spore was the most pirated game in that year because EA tried to protect it with SecuRom but instead of working, pirates wanted to prove to EA that no one can stop them and they did that. IW tried that too removing all the pc only options on MW2 for pc. I guess that this year SC2 will be the most pirated game of 2010 if ActiBlizzard release it this year.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]So if it's so unbearable without DS, why not just play one of the many games that have them? Why not just play CoD4, which still has them? Or why not just wait for the next Battlefield game, which includes them?N30F3N1X

People is still playing CoD4. I don't see your point.

Even if you don't care about dedicated servers (like me), there's still the injustified $60 price tag.

Hanass

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[QUOTE="lowe0"]

People is still playing CoD4. I don't see your point.

lowe0

Even if you don't care about dedicated servers (like me), there's still the injustified $60 price tag.

Hanass

Because there is no greater way to stick it to them then actually playing the game without paying for it. Not paying for it is one thing, but getting to play it AND not pay for it? It's like the ultimate F U.

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[QUOTE="lowe0"]

People is still playing CoD4. I don't see your point.

lowe0

Even if you don't care about dedicated servers (like me), there's still the injustified $60 price tag.

Hanass

Why are some people acting like PC game piracy is a new problem. It's always been a huge concern since the 90s and even before. The main reason some developers have abandoned or short-changed the PC is because they believe they can sell so many more console copies of a game. I think that's what Monolith did with Fear 2, but that game was a sales disappointment despite console marketing. With PC games, long-term sales are key to success. I mean Crysis sold well over 1.5 million copies, and STALKER sold 2 million at least. Modern Warfare 2 is definitely selling less on PC than Call of Duty 4. I am guessing Call of Duty 4 on PC has sold 2.5 million-3 million, which is excellent. It's less than the console versions, but still quite profitable on its own.

harjyotbanwait

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actually it is not illegal to redownload the software if you have the CD key. call EA or microsoft and they will agree. As i mentioned before, you buy a liscense to use the software, not the actual software.

dc337

No it isn't because you are downloading an illegal copy. You're allowed to make a backup copy of software that you own. However if you lose the original disk you are required to destroy the backup copy as well.

more people play cod4 than mw2, so alot of people did stick to the superior game with dedicated servers. people dont like the $60 price tag because retails sales use the extra $10 for publishing and distribution fees, but there is none of that on steam so the $10 is pure greed. ferret-gamer

Because there is no greater way to stick it to them then actually playing the game without paying for it. Not paying for it is one thing, but getting to play it AND not pay for it? It's like the ultimate F U.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]more people play cod4 than mw2, so alot of people did stick to the superior game with dedicated servers. people dont like the $60 price tag because retails sales use the extra $10 for publishing and distribution fees, but there is none of that on steam so the $10 is pure greed. lowe0

Because there is no greater way to stick it to them then actually playing the game without paying for it. Not paying for it is one thing, but getting to play it AND not pay for it? It's like the ultimate F U.

Espada12

Because a middle finger to someone that screws up such a high quality franchise is worth bothering to do it.

And Activision is still going to care about PC gamers, no matter the response. They may keep trying to screw PC gamers over and over, it's their funeral. But given the success of the previous CoDs they know that if a game is as good as they were, money will start flowing no matter the piracy rates.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]more people play cod4 than mw2, so alot of people did stick to the superior game with dedicated servers. people dont like the $60 price tag because retails sales use the extra $10 for publishing and distribution fees, but there is none of that on steam so the $10 is pure greed. lowe0

Because there is no greater way to stick it to them then actually playing the game without paying for it. Not paying for it is one thing, but getting to play it AND not pay for it? It's like the ultimate F U.

Espada12

Your understanding on the situation is way off. PC Gamers aren't convinced the game sucks, they're just pissed off they have to pay $60 for next installment which Activision gladly boasted about having less flexability and features than the previous game.

[QUOTE="lowe0"] I would imagine that not touching it at all is more insulting. Even so, some juvenile "stick it to the man" crusade is hardly going to convince Activision that PC gamers are customers worth giving a **** about.N30F3N1X

Because a middle finger to someone that screws up such a high quality franchise is worth bothering to do it.

And Activision is still going to care about PC gamers, no matter the response. They may keep trying to screw PC gamers over and over, it's their funeral. But given the success of the previous CoDs they know that if a game is as good as they were, money will start flowing no matter the piracy rates.

Your understanding on the situation is way off. PC Gamers aren't convinced the game sucks, they're just pissed off they have to pay $60 for next installment which Activision gladly boasted about having less flexability and features than the previous game.KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="lowe0"] So if it's so unbearable without DS, why not just play one of the many games that have them? Why not just play CoD4, which still has them? Or why not just wait for the next Battlefield game, which includes them?Pixel-Pirate

Well technically it isn't a pathetic reason. In the USA copying data without paying is not theft. You couldn't charge someone with theft for that, because it isn't theft. Just like you can't charge someone who punched you in the face and gave you a black eye, with murder.

So why not do it right, then? Instead of piracy, an act that's likely to be interpreted very differently than your intention by Activision, why not just get all the riled-up consumers together (if there are that many of them, it should be easy) and get a couple billboards in Encino and Santa Monica (near IW and AB HQ) and let them know exactly what you think? The only message pirates are sending is "we're just going to take your product unless you do exactly what we tell you". Given MW2's position on the Steam sales chart, it appears they still have enough customers that they can safely tell the "damn the man" pirates exactly where they can shove it.lowe0

Yeah, and?

"Doing it right" the petition for dedis had what, two hundred thousands signatures?

IW's answer was "we don't care" worded with a lame "cheaters" excuse. Are you delusional enough to expect anything different from a public manifestation?

By confronting MW2's success to their previous games' and seeing how many potential customers there are as mentioned by Brainkiller05, they should realize that those middle fingers can turn into a lot of money simply changing the netcode with AN ALREADY EXISTANT ONE (no extra $ involved in the process).

[QUOTE="lowe0"]So why not do it right, then? Instead of piracy, an act that's likely to be interpreted very differently than your intention by Activision, why not just get all the riled-up consumers together (if there are that many of them, it should be easy) and get a couple billboards in Encino and Santa Monica (near IW and AB HQ) and let them know exactly what you think? The only message pirates are sending is "we're just going to take your product unless you do exactly what we tell you". Given MW2's position on the Steam sales chart, it appears they still have enough customers that they can safely tell the "damn the man" pirates exactly where they can shove it.N30F3N1X

Yeah, and?

"Doing it right" the petition for dedis had what, two hundred thousands signatures?

IW's answer was "we don't care" worded with a lame "cheaters" excuse. Are you delusional enough to expect anything different from a public manifestation?

By confronting MW2's success to their previous games' and seeing how many potential customers there are as mentioned by Brainkiller05, they should realize that those middle fingers can turn into a lot of money simply changing the netcode with AN ALREADY EXISTANT ONE (no extra $ involved in the process).

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[QUOTE="lowe0"]

Because a middle finger to someone that screws up such a high quality franchise is worth bothering to do it.

And Activision is still going to care about PC gamers, no matter the response. They may keep trying to screw PC gamers over and over, it's their funeral. But given the success of the previous CoDs they know that if a game is as good as they were, money will start flowing no matter the piracy rates.

lowe0

Your understanding on the situation is way off. PC Gamers aren't convinced the game sucks, they're just pissed off they have to pay $60 for next installment which Activision gladly boasted about having less flexability and features than the previous game.KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="lowe0"] So if it's so unbearable without DS, why not just play one of the many games that have them? Why not just play CoD4, which still has them? Or why not just wait for the next Battlefield game, which includes them?Pixel-Pirate

Well technically it isn't a pathetic reason. In the USA copying data without paying is not theft. You couldn't charge someone with theft for that, because it isn't theft. Just like you can't charge someone who punched you in the face and gave you a black eye, with murder.

But but but, then they wouldn't get MW2 for free! And being able to rationalize their theft makes them feel better about stealing it! "It's not theft! They're just copying some data, breaking some silly EULAs, no harm to anyone! They're sticking it to the man!" It's so pitiful reading these long drawn out reasons justifying their illegal actions. They just don't want to admit they are cheap, don't give a damn about any developer or publisher, and really just want to play games for free.cametall

Well technically it isn't a pathetic reason. In the USA copying data without paying is not theft. You couldn't charge someone with theft for that, because it isn't theft. Just like you can't charge someone who punched you in the face and gave you a black eye, with murder.

So why not do it right, then? Instead of piracy, an act that's likely to be interpreted very differently than your intention by Activision, why not just get all the riled-up consumers together (if there are that many of them, it should be easy) and get a couple billboards in Encino and Santa Monica (near IW and AB HQ) and let them know exactly what you think? The only message pirates are sending is "we're just going to take your product unless you do exactly what we tell you". Given MW2's position on the Steam sales chart, it appears they still have enough customers that they can safely tell the "damn the man" pirates exactly where they can shove it.lowe0

Did IW somehow miss the petition with over 100,000 signatures, the multitude of boycott groups, and the thousands of hate mail? no, they ignored it. so "doing it right" obviously didnt work. not to mention all of this occured before the game was pirated.ferret-gamer

Your logic is completely flawed

"you guys pirated 4.1 million"

"IW2 are not catering to PC because it only got 8% of the sales"

...they got 8% sales because 4.1 million was pirated, they had 4.1 million illegal downloads because they dumbed down the game. Had they not dumbed down the game they wouldn't have had 4.1 million illegal downloads thus they wouldn't have had only 8% of amazon sales. You can't have it both ways.

Theres a reason it was the most pirated game ever, if it was purely because PC gamers don't want to buy games then similar numbers would hapepn every time there is a release.

It was a successful boycott imo, the 4.1 million proves there are 4.1 million potential customers and you can bet your bottom dollar they wont make the same mistake next time around.

Brainkiller05

Yourlogic is flawed. Are you not aware of human nature ? We basically have 4 million more (or "accounted for") potential pirates. Theres an incredibly good chance that at least 2-3 million of those who downloaded MW2 will download many, many other games. Those people whether new to the scene or old timers, had a taste at getting something for free yet again. Why would they need to continue paying for games when they can have it for free at the tips of their fingers ? Look at how many people smoke and drink. Once you start something that is even slightly enjoyable and has no noticeable repercussions, it will continue. Your "boycott" more then likely created more pirates, and further worsened your platform.

[QUOTE="dc337"]

But more importantly most wii and xbox gamers pay for their games while most pc gamers do not. It's piracy rates that matter, not the mere existence of it. Downlplay the situation all you want but developers have taken notice.

N30F3N1X

Talking about piracy rates, I find it interesting that the X360 has a higher piracy ratio than the PC.

yeah really... that is crazy. i honestly can't guess why that is.

Yourlogic is flawed. Are you not aware of human nature ? We basically have 4 million more (or "accounted for") potential pirates. Theres an incredibly good chance that at least 2-3 million of those who downloaded MW2 will download many, many other games. Those people whether new to the scene or old timers, had a taste at getting something for free yet again. Why would they need to continue paying for games when they can have it for free at the tips of their fingers ? Look at how many people smoke and drink. Once you start something that is even slightly enjoyable and has no noticeable repercussions, it will continue. Your "boycott" more then likely created more pirates, and further worsened your platform.

AdjacentLives

Assumptions and meaningless claims. With an even worse conclusion, I might add.

At least you managed to make a comparison that makes sense. I'm impressed.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Did IW somehow miss the petition with over 100,000 signatures, the multitude of boycott groups, and the thousands of hate mail? no, they ignored it. so "doing it right" obviously didnt work. not to mention all of this occured before the game was pirated.Makari

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Did IW somehow miss the petition with over 100,000 signatures, the multitude of boycott groups, and the thousands of hate mail? no, they ignored it. so "doing it right" obviously didnt work. not to mention all of this occured before the game was pirated.ferret-gamer

Why ask questions when the obvious is there? Why do you think MW2 was pirated so heavily? If you can answer such a basic question, then you are wasting everyone's time.skrat_01