PC Graphics=Overrated

i know the hermits are gonna flame me for this one but it is the truth is that pc graphics are not light years beyond the console, and the only game that they can really boast about is Crysis. tell me hermits besides Crysis what else on pc looks a generation ahead of 360/PS3 tech. please post some pics or gtfo

now notice i never said console graphics are better than pc because thats absurd but they certainly hold their own with any PC game besides Crysis, which is pretty imberissing for pc devs that they cannot completely outgun games running on hardware in some cases 3x as powerful as the 360.

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Espada12

hmmm how is this /thread this pic doesn't look any better than the ones i posted so it failed. i know Project Offset will most likely raise the graphics bar and physics but this game is vaporware until i see more info.

try again

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Nameless-Hero

hmmm how is this /thread this pic doesn't look any better than the ones i posted so it failed. i know Project Offset will most likely raise the graphics bar and physics but this game is vaporware until i see more info.

try again

Not vaporware, Intel wouldn't let that happen.

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Nameless-Hero

hmmm how is this /thread this pic doesn't look any better than the ones i posted so it failed. i know Project Offset will most likely raise the graphics bar and physics but this game is vaporware until i see more info.

try again

Which of your pictures looks better than that? :lol:

Want me to say FFX111 is vapourware until we get more info? That doesn't make much sense, intel recently gave an update on Offset's progression.

Also

not really overrated... this thread is close to failing..though bcz a game is on PC dsnt mean it has amazing graphics

but u compaire consoles best with PC's best = you lose

There's just no way consoels will be able to run anything like Empire: Total War untill next-gen.

Dawn of War 2 is also generational jump graphicaly compared to console RTSes like EndWar, Halo Wars or Stormrise.

Project Offset and Shattered Horizon will be the same.

Still, there's no denying there aren't many PC games that would blow consoles aways anymore, they're just to expensive to make them PC-exclusives. On the other hand though, while it does take away one of main strenghts of PCgaming, it also removes one of it's biggest problems, no longer you need a high end PC to enjoy PCgaming fully, a medium-end PC will run every game avaible, most on max settings. PCgaming's upgrades cost pennies nowadays

wic

Crysis

console sheep have been murked.

now lets all post pics of aour pc playing crysis and i bet we wont see stuff like what pics have shown.

but lol at the gear 2 pics

Wic again

Applying unrealistic amounts of motion blur and shiny surfaces do not good graphics make.aliblabla2007

Applying unrealistic amounts of motion blur and shiny surfaces do not good graphics make.aliblabla2007

blah the blur in killzone 2 is horrible. I KNOW its their to cover up the bad textures in that game:?

its pretty amusing watching people try and defend the pc as some super graphics powerhouse yet againthey only have one game to hide behind and not one single person has posted any pics that blow mine away. but go ahead and keep trying i just don't know why it's hard to admit that consoles have easily kept up with pc. the reality is that devs are not focused on pc like they were even in as little as 5 years ago its because piracy is on the rise and profits are much higher on consoles. pc is also losing exclusives left and right should tell you all you need to know.Nameless-Hero

Im just posting Pics.

I don't seen anything mindblowing about your pics besides the RE5 pic which is only 1 game.

And PC isn't loseing Exclusives. Its the Fact that developers are going multiplatform. This will give them more money overrall. You should have noticed some of the Console exclusives them selfs going to the PC such as Gears of War and GTA4.

And no Consoles are still far behind from PC. Gears of War runs at 60FPS and looks better on the PC. Console version only ran at 30FPS.

Also most RTS that go to consoles have horrible framerate problems and get a major downgrade in graphics. These games would be supereme commander and command and counquer 3.

its pretty amusing watching people try and defend the pc as some super graphics powerhouse yet againthey only have one game to hide behind and not one single person has posted any pics that blow mine away. but go ahead and keep trying i just don't know why it's hard to admit that consoles have easily kept up with pc. the reality is that devs are not focused on pc like they were even in as little as 5 years ago its because piracy is on the rise and profits are much higher on consoles. pc is also losing exclusives left and right should tell you all you need to know.Nameless-Hero

[QUOTE="Nameless-Hero"]its pretty amusing watching people try and defend the pc as some super graphics powerhouse yet againthey only have one game to hide behind and not one single person has posted any pics that blow mine away. but go ahead and keep trying i just don't know why it's hard to admit that consoles have easily kept up with pc. the reality is that devs are not focused on pc like they were even in as little as 5 years ago its because piracy is on the rise and profits are much higher on consoles. pc is also losing exclusives left and right should tell you all you need to know.JangoWuzHere

Im just posting Pics.

I don't seen anything mindblowing about your pics besides the RE5 pic which is only 1 game.

And PC isn't loseing Exclusives. Its the Fact that developers are going multiplatform. This will give them more money overrall. You should have noticed some of the Console exclusives them selfs going to the PC such as Gears of War and GTA4.

ok so i cant get on your back, but GTA was always a pc game, and if the devs need more money by going multiplat that is still multiplat.

And no Consoles are still far behind from PC. Gears of War runs at 60FPS and looks better on the PC. Console version only ran at 30FPS.

Also most RTS that go to consoles have horrible framerate problems and get a major downgrade in graphics. These games would be supereme commander and command and counquer 3.

JangoWuzHere

yea but what devs actually focus on RTS on consoles compared to pc? and to me rts's are more cpu intensive than gpu. but when you consider you can run a game on 2008 hardware compared to locked hardware designed in 2003-2004 that looks not far behind thats impressive. why can't someone post a pic of gears pc maxed out since it looks so much better than the 360 version.

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[QUOTE="Nameless-Hero"]its pretty amusing watching people try and defend the pc as some super graphics powerhouse yet againthey only have one game to hide behind and not one single person has posted any pics that blow mine away. but go ahead and keep trying i just don't know why it's hard to admit that consoles have easily kept up with pc. the reality is that devs are not focused on pc like they were even in as little as 5 years ago its because piracy is on the rise and profits are much higher on consoles. pc is also losing exclusives left and right should tell you all you need to know.Nameless-Hero

Im just posting Pics.

I don't seen anything mindblowing about your pics besides the RE5 pic which is only 1 game.

And PC isn't loseing Exclusives. Its the Fact that developers are going multiplatform. This will give them more money overrall. You should have noticed some of the Console exclusives them selfs going to the PC such as Gears of War and GTA4.

ok so i cant get on your back, but GTA was always a pc game, and if the devs need more money by going multiplat that is still multiplat.

ya I know but Im saying Consoles games are also making their way on to PC. Just like PC games are manages their selfs on to consoles.

The only thing the consoles can do well is character models. Console games are so simple that that is all they need.flclempire

I've noticed that too. Metal Gear Solid 4 has some really incredible looking character models, but environment graphics are lacking.

Applying unrealistic amounts of motion blur and shiny surfaces do not good graphics make.aliblabla2007

What are you talking about! Of course they do!

[QUOTE="Nameless-Hero"]its pretty amusing watching people try and defend the pc as some super graphics powerhouse yet againthey only have one game to hide behind and not one single person has posted any pics that blow mine away. but go ahead and keep trying i just don't know why it's hard to admit that consoles have easily kept up with pc. the reality is that devs are not focused on pc like they were even in as little as 5 years ago its because piracy is on the rise and profits are much higher on consoles. pc is also losing exclusives left and right should tell you all you need to know.kidcool189

[QUOTE="flclempire"]The only thing the consoles can do well is character models. Console games are so simple that that is all they need.Einhanderkiller

I've noticed that too. Metal Gear Solid 4 has some really incredible looking character models, but environment graphics are lacking.

Unfortunate dirty secret of console games - very little texture filtering. It's really noticeable in Halo and Oblivion on the 360... run Oblivion on a PC with 16x AF, then flip over to the 360 version (set them up on the same monitor, same location. It's like night and day, even if you try and match the visual settings everywhere else.

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Wohoo touched up console screens.

Fact is console games wil be running in 720p at a low framerate, and the details and AA will never be anwhere as good as even a budget gaming computer.

I cans simply boot up clear sky, crysis/warhead, WiC ect. ect. and I have visuals that exeed anything on a console until next generation.

Whats the big deal anyway, do you think console hardware is going to keep up with evolving hardware?

Console gamers do realize most of their screenshots are bullshots right? They always seem to have a ridiculess amount of AA and texture filtering over the real product, compare the GOW shots with the actual game.

The other day I hooked my brothers PS3 to my monitor via a HDMI to DVI cable and my PC via the analoge connection, I then used an audio two to one converter to plug the PS3 into my TV card and had the app running in the background with just audio.

In other words at a push of a button I could switch between the PS3 and my PC.

I loaded the PS3 Bioshock demo and took it up to to the part after your first injection, then did the exact same on PC. After the injection cut scene you are facing the direction of the door, I switched between PS3 and PC to compare the quality. Both games were set to 720p to keep this comparable.

Screenshot

A camera shot of the monitor wasn't very useful, but let me tell you the image quality on the PS3 was freaking blur! I tried some HD videos and they didn't get blurry so I don't think it is the connection. There also seemed to be a difference in the lighting colour tint.

The field of view also seemed much smaller, note how there is less in view despite not moving them right after the cut scene.

You want to tell me PC graphics are over rated? Cut the bullshots and the crappy image quality, then let's talk.

its pretty amusing watching people try and defend the pc as some super graphics powerhouse yet againthey only have one game to hide behind and not one single person has posted any pics that blow mine away. but go ahead and keep trying i just don't know why it's hard to admit that consoles have easily kept up with pc. the reality is that devs are not focused on pc like they were even in as little as 5 years ago its because piracy is on the rise and profits are much higher on consoles. pc is also losing exclusives left and right should tell you all you need to know.Nameless-Hero

Do PC games have:

Higher display resolution, i.e. higher than 720p ?

Higher res textures?

Higher res bump/normal maps ?

Can todays GPUs render many more polys than current consoles ?

Higher levels of AA?

Higher levels of AF?

DX10 graphics features?

Larger environments?

More ai units on screen at any given time?

More HDR going on in a given scene?

More accurate physics?

I'm afraid the answer is yes to all of those. Sorry

now notice i never said console graphics are better than pc because thats absurd but they certainly hold their own with any PC game besides Crysis, which is pretty imberissing for pc devs that they cannot completely outgun games running on hardware in some cases 3x as powerful as the 360.

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Nameless-Hero

And it looks even more insane in motion.

Console gamers do realize most of their screenshots are bullshots right? They always seem to have a ridiculess amount of AA and texture filtering over the real product, compare the GOW shots with the actual game.

The other day I hooked my brothers PS3 to my monitor via a HDMI to DVI cable and my PC via the analoge connection, I then used an audio two to one converter to plug the PS3 into my TV card and had the app running in the background with just audio.

In other words at a push of a button I could switch between the PS3 and my PC.

I loaded the PS3 Bioshock demo and took it up to to the part after your first injection, then did the exact same on PC. After the injection cut scene you are facing the direction of the door, I switched between PS3 and PC to compare the quality. Both games were set to 720p to keep this comparable.

Screenshot

A camera shot of the monitor wasn't very useful, but let me tell you the image quality on the PS3 was freaking blur! I tried some HD videos and they didn't get blurry so I don't think it is the connection. There also seemed to be a difference in the lighting colour tint.

The field of view also seemed much smaller, note how there is less in view despite not moving them right after the cut scene.

You want to tell me PC graphics are over rated? Cut the bullshots and the crappy image quality, then let's talk.

AnnoyedDragon

I simply pop in a ps3 or 360 game - and compare the shots on my monitor, to my 720p tv above it - and it is indeed quite clear.

lol at people posting pictures of Project Offset.Firstly its planned for both the next gen consoles aswell :D Secondly we know very little of it.We have like what ? 3 tech demos ?

PC graphics are way over rated.People usually post pictures of Crysis running maxed out on DX10 but they dont realize that what exactly do you need to run that game on 30 + fps average and at stable temperatures.

Other than that one (well two :P) games, PC and console graphics are more or less equal. PC definately has potential for better looking games, but the amount of games that use that potential is so tiny that it really isn't anything to brag about at this point in time.

Just like one really bad looking game isn't a representation of the visual standards of a platform, neither is one really good looking game.

sure consoles have nice graphics but try running them in 1680 x 1050 or 1920 x 1200 that's why the console get great graphics. if pc games run in 720p or lower you can max out crysis with 16x AA with a 8800gt. just another things console lack AA most games have none and 2x if your lucky while a decent pc will be running 8x AA and some 16x.

if console actually ran hd the games wouldn't look too flash. cod4 = 600p = 1024 x 600 = 1998 pc resolution in widescreen so has even less pixels than pc gaming of 1998.

lol at people posting pictures of Project Offset.Firstly its planned for both the next gen consoles aswell :D Secondly we know very little of it.We have like what ? 3 tech demos ?

PC graphics are way over rated.People usually post pictures of Crysis running maxed out on DX10 but they dont realize that what exactly do you need to run that game on 30 + fps average and at stable temperatures.

lesner87

lol at people posting pictures of Project Offset.Firstly its planned for both the next gen consoles aswell :D S

lesner87

It was planned before Intel bought Offset Software. For now it's a PC exclusive.

lol at people posting pictures of Project Offset.Firstly its planned for both the next gen consoles aswell :D Secondly we know very little of it.We have like what ? 3 tech demos ?

PC graphics are way over rated.People usually post pictures of Crysis running maxed out on DX10 but they dont realize that what exactly do you need to run that game on 30 + fps average and at stable temperatures.

lesner87

was planned until intel bought the dev

Your right, those games match anything on the PC except Crysis.

But most of those games will be on the PC and look better, I'm still voting FF13 will be on the PC, Gears of War 2 is a no brainer, ignore what Cliffy says.

You also have to take into account that those games come from some of the biggest studios with the biggest financial support, and are genres with closed off small areas.

PC lost its graphical edge this gen in terms of number of graphic power house games yes..... but it makes up for it in other areas easily.

I would like to see the consoles pull off Empire: Total War, in reality impossible.