PC > Consoles for FPS and RTS...

Its all about preference. No one system's library is flat out better than another's.XaosII

So your saying the N-Gage is arguably better than the PS2 then?

Its all about preference. No one system's library is flat out better than another's.XaosII

Finally, a respectable fellow PC gamer... 

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Its all about preference. No one system's library is flat out better than another's.daytona_178

So your saying the N-Gage is arguably better than the PS2 then?

For some people, yes.

Blanket statements for the lose. I actually prefer controllers to keyboard/mouse (depending on the game), especially considering the fact I own a laptop, so I'm actually using a half keyboard/touch sensitive pad. Not exactly the best way to do some online gaming. Not to mention the fact that my laptop can't run anything made in the last 3 or so years, so in my case consoles >>>>>>>> PCs.pundog

i always see halo as a kick in the teeth for the pc fan boys out there.0161

You mean the same Halo that later came to PCs?

RTS definitely better on PC. AS you can tell, there are very many RTS games on game consoles. That's ok, since most console gamers don't play RTS games anyways. As for FPS it's pretty much 50/50. There are a LOT of great FPS games on PC and console. Even older games like Goldeneye on the N64 was incredible for it's time. I don't really think one platform is better then another. It's just one's preference. There are millions of people who like it on PC and millions more who like it on game consoles. I stick with the consoles because of comfort, problem free gaming, easy of use and variety of games to chose from over pc gaming.blackace

I think the complexities of PC games make them more interesting 

In your opinion.

Some people like sitting on a couch rather than sitting on a chair like me so yeah... I know it may sound strange to some, but that's the main reason for me liking them on consoles more. (not RTS though.)

11Marcel

I agree with the TC.  RTS can never be done on a console right, and fps is pretty hard.

[QUOTE="pundog"]Blanket statements for the lose. I actually prefer controllers to keyboard/mouse (depending on the game), especially considering the fact I own a laptop, so I'm actually using a half keyboard/touch sensitive pad. Not exactly the best way to do some online gaming. Not to mention the fact that my laptop can't run anything made in the last 3 or so years, so in my case consoles >>>>>>>> PCs.Vandalvideo

Blanket statements for the lose. I actually prefer controllers to keyboard/mouse (depending on the game), especially considering the fact I own a laptop, so I'm actually using a half keyboard/touch sensitive pad. Not exactly the best way to do some online gaming. Not to mention the fact that my laptop can't run anything made in the last 3 or so years, so in my case consoles >>>>>>>> PCs.pundog

My laptop is the same way, but I don't use it to make excuses.

Why do you think I'm playing the original Half-Life? Well, first of all I've never played it (I did play the PS2 version which was meh). However, one of the main reasons I'm playing such an old game is because my crappy laptop can't handle games from about 2004-now. So, until I can get a new gaming rig (hopefully this summer), I'm making do with what I have. There are some great PC games from 2004 and below that many console gamers such as myself missed. Play those until you can get a better rig.

I have a touch pad as well and that is also not a valid excuse. You can head to Wal-Mart and get a USB mouse for under 10 bucks. And, as many others have already stated, you can use controllers to play ANY PC game.

I'm not saying you should become a PC Gamer only or even a gamer that primarily plays PC games (though once I get my new rig, that's what I'm going to do. I'm much more interested in upcoming PC releases). I'm just saying that your excuses aren't valid. If you just prefer console gaming and have no rational reasons supporting that preference, just say so. Stop making lame excuses.

i have always found the controller more enjoyable and funner to use than KB/M, even if it offers better precision.

its all opinion, RTS's though... yuck on consoles, i will only by halo wars for 360 cause its halo...i wish it was for the PC :(

[QUOTE="pundog"]Blanket statements for the lose. I actually prefer controllers to keyboard/mouse (depending on the game), especially considering the fact I own a laptop, so I'm actually using a half keyboard/touch sensitive pad. Not exactly the best way to do some online gaming. Not to mention the fact that my laptop can't run anything made in the last 3 or so years, so in my case consoles >>>>>>>> PCs.TreyoftheDead

My laptop is the same way, but I don't use it to make excuses.

Why do you think I'm playing the original Half-Life? Well, first of all I've never played it (I did play the PS2 version which was meh). However, one of the main reasons I'm playing such an old game is because my crappy laptop can't handle games from about 2004-now. So, until I can get a new gaming rig (hopefully this summer), I'm making do with what I have. There are some great PC games from 2004 and below that many console gamers such as myself missed. Play those until you can get a better rig.

I have a touch pad as well and that is also not a valid excuse. You can head to Wal-Mart and get a USB mouse for under 10 bucks. And, as many others have already stated, you can use controllers to play ANY PC game.

I'm not saying you should become a PC Gamer only or even a gamer that primarily plays PC games (though once I get my new rig, that's what I'm going to do. I'm much more interested in upcoming PC releases). I'm just saying that your excuses aren't valid. If you just prefer console gaming and have no rational reasons supporting that preference, just say so. Stop making lame excuses.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]Blanket statements for the lose. I actually prefer controllers to keyboard/mouse (depending on the game), especially considering the fact I own a laptop, so I'm actually using a half keyboard/touch sensitive pad. Not exactly the best way to do some online gaming. Not to mention the fact that my laptop can't run anything made in the last 3 or so years, so in my case consoles >>>>>>>> PCs.pundog

My laptop is the same way, but I don't use it to make excuses.

Why do you think I'm playing the original Half-Life? Well, first of all I've never played it (I did play the PS2 version which was meh). However, one of the main reasons I'm playing such an old game is because my crappy laptop can't handle games from about 2004-now. So, until I can get a new gaming rig (hopefully this summer), I'm making do with what I have. There are some great PC games from 2004 and below that many console gamers such as myself missed. Play those until you can get a better rig.

I have a touch pad as well and that is also not a valid excuse. You can head to Wal-Mart and get a USB mouse for under 10 bucks. And, as many others have already stated, you can use controllers to play ANY PC game.

I'm not saying you should become a PC Gamer only or even a gamer that primarily plays PC games (though once I get my new rig, that's what I'm going to do. I'm much more interested in upcoming PC releases). I'm just saying that your excuses aren't valid. If you just prefer console gaming and have no rational reasons supporting that preference, just say so. Stop making lame excuses.

I agree that one should never say Consoles>PC or PC>Consoles. Why? Because they both have great games and that's what really matters.

And I apologize for saying you were making excuses. I misunderstood you and wrongly believed that you were against PC gaming completely. I'm sorry. 

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]Blanket statements for the lose. I actually prefer controllers to keyboard/mouse (depending on the game), especially considering the fact I own a laptop, so I'm actually using a half keyboard/touch sensitive pad. Not exactly the best way to do some online gaming. Not to mention the fact that my laptop can't run anything made in the last 3 or so years, so in my case consoles >>>>>>>> PCs.pundog

My laptop is the same way, but I don't use it to make excuses.

Why do you think I'm playing the original Half-Life? Well, first of all I've never played it (I did play the PS2 version which was meh). However, one of the main reasons I'm playing such an old game is because my crappy laptop can't handle games from about 2004-now. So, until I can get a new gaming rig (hopefully this summer), I'm making do with what I have. There are some great PC games from 2004 and below that many console gamers such as myself missed. Play those until you can get a better rig.

I have a touch pad as well and that is also not a valid excuse. You can head to Wal-Mart and get a USB mouse for under 10 bucks. And, as many others have already stated, you can use controllers to play ANY PC game.

I'm not saying you should become a PC Gamer only or even a gamer that primarily plays PC games (though once I get my new rig, that's what I'm going to do. I'm much more interested in upcoming PC releases). I'm just saying that your excuses aren't valid. If you just prefer console gaming and have no rational reasons supporting that preference, just say so. Stop making lame excuses.

I understand perfectly what you're saying, and agree completely. 

On a side note, if your laptop can't run Allied Assault...man, it MUST be an oldy or something. My COMPAQ Presario V6000 can run it on max settings, and it was $750. 

[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]Blanket statements for the lose. I actually prefer controllers to keyboard/mouse (depending on the game), especially considering the fact I own a laptop, so I'm actually using a half keyboard/touch sensitive pad. Not exactly the best way to do some online gaming. Not to mention the fact that my laptop can't run anything made in the last 3 or so years, so in my case consoles >>>>>>>> PCs.Verge_6

My laptop is the same way, but I don't use it to make excuses.

Why do you think I'm playing the original Half-Life? Well, first of all I've never played it (I did play the PS2 version which was meh). However, one of the main reasons I'm playing such an old game is because my crappy laptop can't handle games from about 2004-now. So, until I can get a new gaming rig (hopefully this summer), I'm making do with what I have. There are some great PC games from 2004 and below that many console gamers such as myself missed. Play those until you can get a better rig.

I have a touch pad as well and that is also not a valid excuse. You can head to Wal-Mart and get a USB mouse for under 10 bucks. And, as many others have already stated, you can use controllers to play ANY PC game.

I'm not saying you should become a PC Gamer only or even a gamer that primarily plays PC games (though once I get my new rig, that's what I'm going to do. I'm much more interested in upcoming PC releases). I'm just saying that your excuses aren't valid. If you just prefer console gaming and have no rational reasons supporting that preference, just say so. Stop making lame excuses.

I understand perfectly what you're saying, and agree completely. 

On a side note, if your laptop can't run Allied Assault...man, it MUST be an oldy or something. My COMPAQ Presario V6000 can run it on max settings, and it was $750. 

Reason's why console FPS's are better than PC FPS's

1.) The keyboard and mouse is never better than two analog joysticks.  Reasons:   The mouse acts as one joystick, but the keyboard acts as a fixed D-pad, therefore inferior to a second joystick because of its lack of range of motion.  Also pressure senstitive triggers are a huge advantage for developers over pressure insensitive keys on a keyboard that have no second use such as throwing grenades farther, or faster rate of fire etc.  Also its harder to maintain a straight line aiming with a mouse as it covers more surface area than an analog stick.

2.) Modders and hackers are much worse on PC then on consoles, (yes there are some on consoles, but the numbers are much higher in PC games.  I have played both a lot and know this from experience.)

3.) When playing on-line in PC games, you are depending on not only the other persons connection, but also on their PC's performance and other factors.  With a console, there are really no performance issues, and their are services like xbox live that make sure connections are maintained (much better than services like punk buster that causes more problems than it solves.)  When you put a disc in a console, you know it's going to work 99% of the time as well, and this is not so with a PC with patches required and differentiating hardware and huge amount of factors that determine whether a game can play or not limiting the availability of playing.

4.) New games pride themselves on realism, but how can PC gamers say the game is real when there's no vibration or any sensation in a keyboard or mouse, or any motions sensing capabilities in their peripherals without getting third party, custom made items that have a load of issues with calibration and configuration.  I mean these games have huge production value, but I feel almost bored firing a gun with no sense of recoil or motion other than what's on the screen.

Having played many shooters on PC and console I think that so many believe consoles are for kids and that's why there's a collective idea that PC gaming is more adult, but that is clearly becoming less relevant.  Consoles are surging in sales. This idea is slowly fading.

you cant even give me an example of a realistic Console shooter.....can you.....

and #3 applies to consoles as well.....which by the way, dont even have dedicaded servers.....

you clearly have no clue what you are talking about....your whole post is a joke.... 

Reason's why console FPS's are better than PC FPS's

1.) The keyboard and mouse is never better than two analog joysticks. Reasons: The mouse acts as one joystick, but the keyboard acts as a fixed D-pad, therefore inferior to a second joystick because of its lack of range of motion. Also pressure senstitive triggers are a huge advantage for developers over pressure insensitive keys on a keyboard that have no second use such as throwing grenades farther, or faster rate of fire etc. Also its harder to maintain a straight line aiming with a mouse as it covers more surface area than an analog stick.

2.) Modders and hackers are much worse on PC then on consoles, (yes there are some on consoles, but the numbers are much higher in PC games. I have played both a lot and know this from experience.)

3.) When playing on-line in PC games, you are depending on not only the other persons connection, but also on their PC's performance and other factors. With a console, their are really no performance issues, and their are services like xbox live that make sure connections are maintained (much better than services like punk buster that causes more problems than it solves.) When you put a disc in a console, you know it's going to work 99% of the time as well, and this is not so with a PC with patches required and differentiating hardware and huge amount of factors that determine whether a game can play or not limiting the availability of playing.

4.) New games pride themselves on realism, but how can PC gamers say the game is real when there's no vibration or any sensation in a keyboard or mouse, or any motions sensing capabilities in their peripherals without getting third party, custom made items that have a load of issues with calibration and configuration. I mean these games have huge production value, but I feel almost bored firing a gun with no sense of recoil or motion other than what's on the screen.

 

Having played many shooters on PC and console I think that so many believe consoles are for kids and that's why there's a collective idea that PC gaming is more adult, but that is clearly becoming less relevant. Consoles are surging in sales. This idea is slowly fading.

 

tempest91

Nice someone finally made some viable points for the consoles, butI dont think analog buttons and d pad make up for the huge array of controll options offered by a keyboard, or the customability of graphics and gameplay options of PC FPSs.

Some types of sports games are just as good on a PC, but platforming, racing and fighting games make their homes on consoles.Wahoo2k

PC has just as many if not more quality racing games that consoles never see. We still have the only AAA next gen racer, and won the racing GOTY last year. But yeah, PC's have no racers :roll: 

Anyone who thinks Halo 2 is the best Online shooter is WAY off.  Consoles dont hold a candle to the PC for FPS and RTS games.

 

The consoles are better than PC for Sports and Fighting and Platforming Games.  

 

For RPGs, they are pretty even I would say.

 

You have to have a PC to get alot of the best games.  To add the most variety to your PC gaming, you should add some Wii if you like 1st party Nintendo games, or PS3 if you are a serious Console gamer.  The 360 is pretty meh if you have a good PC.

MetalContra

[QUOTE="MetalContra"]

Anyone who thinks Halo 2 is the best Online shooter is WAY off. Consoles dont hold a candle to the PC for FPS and RTS games.

 

The consoles are better than PC for Sports and Fighting and Platforming Games.

 

For RPGs, they are pretty even I would say.

 

You have to have a PC to get alot of the best games. To add the most variety to your PC gaming, you should add some Wii if you like 1st party Nintendo games, or PS3 if you are a serious Console gamer. The 360 is pretty meh if you have a good PC.

jessesalinas

wanna smoke bro?

its coo, go with Christ bro

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]Blanket statements for the lose. I actually prefer controllers to keyboard/mouse (depending on the game), especially considering the fact I own a laptop, so I'm actually using a half keyboard/touch sensitive pad. Not exactly the best way to do some online gaming. Not to mention the fact that my laptop can't run anything made in the last 3 or so years, so in my case consoles >>>>>>>> PCs.pundog

My laptop is the same way, but I don't use it to make excuses.

Why do you think I'm playing the original Half-Life? Well, first of all I've never played it (I did play the PS2 version which was meh). However, one of the main reasons I'm playing such an old game is because my crappy laptop can't handle games from about 2004-now. So, until I can get a new gaming rig (hopefully this summer), I'm making do with what I have. There are some great PC games from 2004 and below that many console gamers such as myself missed. Play those until you can get a better rig.

I have a touch pad as well and that is also not a valid excuse. You can head to Wal-Mart and get a USB mouse for under 10 bucks. And, as many others have already stated, you can use controllers to play ANY PC game.

I'm not saying you should become a PC Gamer only or even a gamer that primarily plays PC games (though once I get my new rig, that's what I'm going to do. I'm much more interested in upcoming PC releases). I'm just saying that your excuses aren't valid. If you just prefer console gaming and have no rational reasons supporting that preference, just say so. Stop making lame excuses.

I understand perfectly what you're saying, and agree completely.

On a side note, if your laptop can't run Allied Assault...man, it MUST be an oldy or something. My COMPAQ Presario V6000 can run it on max settings, and it was $750.

Odd...have you tried reinstalling XP?

its preference, i would rather use a KB&M for FPs but that doesnt mean i think console FPS games are crap compared to PC FPs games.

Reason's why console FPS's are better than PC FPS's

1.) The keyboard and mouse is never better than two analog joysticks.  Reasons:   The mouse acts as one joystick, but the keyboard acts as a fixed D-pad, therefore inferior to a second joystick because of its lack of range of motion.  Also pressure senstitive triggers are a huge advantage for developers over pressure insensitive keys on a keyboard that have no second use such as throwing grenades farther, or faster rate of fire etc.  Also its harder to maintain a straight line aiming with a mouse as it covers more surface area than an analog stick.

2.) Modders and hackers are much worse on PC then on consoles, (yes there are some on consoles, but the numbers are much higher in PC games.  I have played both a lot and know this from experience.)

3.) When playing on-line in PC games, you are depending on not only the other persons connection, but also on their PC's performance and other factors.  With a console, there are really no performance issues, and their are services like xbox live that make sure connections are maintained (much better than services like punk buster that causes more problems than it solves.)  When you put a disc in a console, you know it's going to work 99% of the time as well, and this is not so with a PC with patches required and differentiating hardware and huge amount of factors that determine whether a game can play or not limiting the availability of playing.

4.) New games pride themselves on realism, but how can PC gamers say the game is real when there's no vibration or any sensation in a keyboard or mouse, or any motions sensing capabilities in their peripherals without getting third party, custom made items that have a load of issues with calibration and configuration.  I mean these games have huge production value, but I feel almost bored firing a gun with no sense of recoil or motion other than what's on the screen.

 

Having played many shooters on PC and console I think that so many believe consoles are for kids and that's why there's a collective idea that PC gaming is more adult, but that is clearly becoming less relevant.  Consoles are surging in sales. This idea is slowly fading.

 

tempest91

pc is plagued with a lack of standardized tech.  It creates disparity in the pc gaming community and makes it a lot more complicated to develop games for.  I would often have issues with games that my computer should have handled easily, and because of some obscure factor I was not aware of.  Not all of us are computer experts, and pc gaming can be very intimidating for people like me (and I'm hardly computer illiterate either)GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

Reason's why console FPS's are better than PC FPS's

1.) The keyboard and mouse is never better than two analog joysticks.  Reasons:   The mouse acts as one joystick, but the keyboard acts as a fixed D-pad, therefore inferior to a second joystick because of its lack of range of motion.  Also pressure senstitive triggers are a huge advantage for developers over pressure insensitive keys on a keyboard that have no second use such as throwing grenades farther, or faster rate of fire etc.  Also its harder to maintain a straight line aiming with a mouse as it covers more surface area than an analog stick.

2.) Modders and hackers are much worse on PC then on consoles, (yes there are some on consoles, but the numbers are much higher in PC games.  I have played both a lot and know this from experience.)

3.) When playing on-line in PC games, you are depending on not only the other persons connection, but also on their PC's performance and other factors.  With a console, there are really no performance issues, and their are services like xbox live that make sure connections are maintained (much better than services like punk buster that causes more problems than it solves.)  When you put a disc in a console, you know it's going to work 99% of the time as well, and this is not so with a PC with patches required and differentiating hardware and huge amount of factors that determine whether a game can play or not limiting the availability of playing.

4.) New games pride themselves on realism, but how can PC gamers say the game is real when there's no vibration or any sensation in a keyboard or mouse, or any motions sensing capabilities in their peripherals without getting third party, custom made items that have a load of issues with calibration and configuration.  I mean these games have huge production value, but I feel almost bored firing a gun with no sense of recoil or motion other than what's on the screen.

 

Having played many shooters on PC and console I think that so many believe consoles are for kids and that's why there's a collective idea that PC gaming is more adult, but that is clearly becoming less relevant.  Consoles are surging in sales. This idea is slowly fading.

 

Vandalvideo

Probably not.   Gamepads for PC are a joke.  Most games don't support them correctly, and calibration and configuration is the biggest pain ever, once again proving that compatibility of peripherals for PC is a weakness that consoles do not share.  Console's perhipherals are made specifically for their hardware therefore they always work.  I already addressed punkbuster and said how it causes just as many problems with unnecessary booting, as it creates.  You can blame users, but hardware difficulties, especially ones that affect team members are horrible and consoles don't share these either.  And don't defend patch problems since PC games have many more patches to fix problems than console games do.  Most console patches are to fix minor bugs and add additional content.  Not to cure severe hardware problems and unidentified system crashes.  Your points are all invalid and were already covered in my previous post.  Please read the entire post next time and thanks for trying.

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

Reason's why console FPS's are better than PC FPS's

1.) The keyboard and mouse is never better than two analog joysticks. Reasons: The mouse acts as one joystick, but the keyboard acts as a fixed D-pad, therefore inferior to a second joystick because of its lack of range of motion. Also pressure senstitive triggers are a huge advantage for developers over pressure insensitive keys on a keyboard that have no second use such as throwing grenades farther, or faster rate of fire etc. Also its harder to maintain a straight line aiming with a mouse as it covers more surface area than an analog stick.

2.) Modders and hackers are much worse on PC then on consoles, (yes there are some on consoles, but the numbers are much higher in PC games. I have played both a lot and know this from experience.)

3.) When playing on-line in PC games, you are depending on not only the other persons connection, but also on their PC's performance and other factors. With a console, their are really no performance issues, and their are services like xbox live that make sure connections are maintained (much better than services like punk buster that causes more problems than it solves.) When you put a disc in a console, you know it's going to work 99% of the time as well, and this is not so with a PC with patches required and differentiating hardware and huge amount of factors that determine whether a game can play or not limiting the availability of playing.

4.) New games pride themselves on realism, but how can PC gamers say the game is real when there's no vibration or any sensation in a keyboard or mouse, or any motions sensing capabilities in their peripherals without getting third party, custom made items that have a load of issues with calibration and configuration. I mean these games have huge production value, but I feel almost bored firing a gun with no sense of recoil or motion other than what's on the screen.

 

Having played many shooters on PC and console I think that so many believe consoles are for kids and that's why there's a collective idea that PC gaming is more adult, but that is clearly becoming less relevant. Consoles are surging in sales. This idea is slowly fading.

 

MetalContra

Nice someone finally made some viable points for the consoles, butI dont think analog buttons and d pad make up for the huge array of controll options offered by a keyboard, or the customability of graphics and gameplay options of PC FPSs.

You can use a keyboard and mouse with customizable buttons on a console as well, but it takes away the realism i described before.  PS3 and 360 have USB ports that support keyboards.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="tempest91"]

Reason's why console FPS's are better than PC FPS's

1.) The keyboard and mouse is never better than two analog joysticks.  Reasons:   The mouse acts as one joystick, but the keyboard acts as a fixed D-pad, therefore inferior to a second joystick because of its lack of range of motion.  Also pressure senstitive triggers are a huge advantage for developers over pressure insensitive keys on a keyboard that have no second use such as throwing grenades farther, or faster rate of fire etc.  Also its harder to maintain a straight line aiming with a mouse as it covers more surface area than an analog stick.

2.) Modders and hackers are much worse on PC then on consoles, (yes there are some on consoles, but the numbers are much higher in PC games.  I have played both a lot and know this from experience.)

3.) When playing on-line in PC games, you are depending on not only the other persons connection, but also on their PC's performance and other factors.  With a console, there are really no performance issues, and their are services like xbox live that make sure connections are maintained (much better than services like punk buster that causes more problems than it solves.)  When you put a disc in a console, you know it's going to work 99% of the time as well, and this is not so with a PC with patches required and differentiating hardware and huge amount of factors that determine whether a game can play or not limiting the availability of playing.

4.) New games pride themselves on realism, but how can PC gamers say the game is real when there's no vibration or any sensation in a keyboard or mouse, or any motions sensing capabilities in their peripherals without getting third party, custom made items that have a load of issues with calibration and configuration.  I mean these games have huge production value, but I feel almost bored firing a gun with no sense of recoil or motion other than what's on the screen.

 

Having played many shooters on PC and console I think that so many believe consoles are for kids and that's why there's a collective idea that PC gaming is more adult, but that is clearly becoming less relevant.  Consoles are surging in sales. This idea is slowly fading.

 

tempest91

probably not.   gamepads for PC are a joke.  Most games don't support them correctly, and calibration and configuration is the biggest pain ever, once again proving that compatibility of peripherals for PC is a weakness that consoles do not share.  Consoles perhipherals are made specifically for their hardware therefore they always work.  I already adressed punkbuster and said how it causes just as many problems with unnecessary booting, as it creates.  You can blame users, but hardware difficulties, especially ones that affect team members are horrible that consoles don't share either.  And don't defend patch problems since PC games have many more patches to fix problems than console games do.  Most console patches are to fix minor bugs and add additional content.  Not to cure severe hardware problems and unidentified system crashes.  Your points are all invalid and were already covered in my previous post.  Please read the entire post next time and thanks for trying.

Anyone who thinks Halo 2 is the best Online shooter is WAY off.  Consoles dont hold a candle to the PC for FPS and RTS games.

 

The consoles are better than PC for Sports and Fighting and Platforming Games.  

 

For RPGs, they are pretty even I would say.

 

You have to have a PC to get alot of the best games.  To add the most variety to your PC gaming, you should add some Wii if you like 1st party Nintendo games, or PS3 if you are a serious Console gamer.  The 360 is pretty meh if you have a good PC.

MetalContra

This is Missing a big fat IMO

And here is mine.

PC RTS >>>> Console RTS

I dont care where I play my FPS

Same with Sports

Console Fighters >> PC Fighters

Console Platformer >> PC Platformers 

[QUOTE="tempest91"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="tempest91"]

Reason's why console FPS's are better than PC FPS's

1.) The keyboard and mouse is never better than two analog joysticks.  Reasons:   The mouse acts as one joystick, but the keyboard acts as a fixed D-pad, therefore inferior to a second joystick because of its lack of range of motion.  Also pressure senstitive triggers are a huge advantage for developers over pressure insensitive keys on a keyboard that have no second use such as throwing grenades farther, or faster rate of fire etc.  Also its harder to maintain a straight line aiming with a mouse as it covers more surface area than an analog stick.

2.) Modders and hackers are much worse on PC then on consoles, (yes there are some on consoles, but the numbers are much higher in PC games.  I have played both a lot and know this from experience.)

3.) When playing on-line in PC games, you are depending on not only the other persons connection, but also on their PC's performance and other factors.  With a console, there are really no performance issues, and their are services like xbox live that make sure connections are maintained (much better than services like punk buster that causes more problems than it solves.)  When you put a disc in a console, you know it's going to work 99% of the time as well, and this is not so with a PC with patches required and differentiating hardware and huge amount of factors that determine whether a game can play or not limiting the availability of playing.

4.) New games pride themselves on realism, but how can PC gamers say the game is real when there's no vibration or any sensation in a keyboard or mouse, or any motions sensing capabilities in their peripherals without getting third party, custom made items that have a load of issues with calibration and configuration.  I mean these games have huge production value, but I feel almost bored firing a gun with no sense of recoil or motion other than what's on the screen.

 

Having played many shooters on PC and console I think that so many believe consoles are for kids and that's why there's a collective idea that PC gaming is more adult, but that is clearly becoming less relevant.  Consoles are surging in sales. This idea is slowly fading.

 

Vandalvideo

probably not.   gamepads for PC are a joke.  Most games don't support them correctly, and calibration and configuration is the biggest pain ever, once again proving that compatibility of peripherals for PC is a weakness that consoles do not share.  Consoles perhipherals are made specifically for their hardware therefore they always work.  I already adressed punkbuster and said how it causes just as many problems with unnecessary booting, as it creates.  You can blame users, but hardware difficulties, especially ones that affect team members are horrible that consoles don't share either.  And don't defend patch problems since PC games have many more patches to fix problems than console games do.  Most console patches are to fix minor bugs and add additional content.  Not to cure severe hardware problems and unidentified system crashes.  Your points are all invalid and were already covered in my previous post.  Please read the entire post next time and thanks for trying.

All of this only exists in a perfect world where games aren't made by EA and every developer supports these things.  I'm not saying these problems are directly related to me, i'm saying you're relying on others to have perfect hardware compatibility in games as well and it just doesn't happen.  Punkbuster is far from perfect and most times leaves me or the other team undermaned.  These console game problems I have never experienced.  I have a launch 360 that runs just fine and so do several of my friends.  And don't pretencd like PC's don't have problems ever.  It's not however easier to patch PC games than it is console games, because like I said, consoles work of a streamlined set of hardware and software, whereas PC's do not.  Your points are less than half right at best. And you also refute less than half of my argument accurately.

Tempest: You're merely dodging my points. Irrefutable point 1) ALL PC games support gamepads, any gamepad you want, even console gamepads. Quality is not an issue. It is also easy to set it up by using Joy to Key. Irrefutable point 2) Console games are just as plagued by bugs as PC games. PCs have always had standardized harddrives. Consoles have not. Patches require what? SPACE. How are you supposed to patch without a harddrive? Games like Socom went a year with blatant map hacks becauase it was so hard to fix them. Not to mention GRAW's first patch notes for the 360 were longer than the PC. You haven't disproved anything I have said so far. You're only digging a deeper hole for yourself. The PC's problems only occur when its mishandled. If I use your logic, I'm going to go put my 360 power source in a SOCK and watch it over heat. No one told me I couldn't put it in a sock, but obviously the system is flawed because it overheated. Punkbuster isn't flawed. The only problems is client side. Punkbuster even tells you what CVARs are causing the problem, and its as easy to fix as going into the console (TILDE KEY) and fixing it. Its your fault, again, that these problems are occuring. I'm not saying PC gaming is perfect, I'm saying consoles have just the same ammount of problems. PC is just easier to fix because of its features and scalability. If my 360 breaks I have to send it into the repair lab which takes a few weeks (happened to me). Whenever I have a problem with my PC i can easily fix it on the fly.Vandalvideo

I'm not dodging anything.  You are just repeating the same things over and over as if that makes them correct.  You are relying on other people to download the correct patches, update their hardware and software adequately, and correct any problems to make for a good gaming experience.  It's not my fault that the PC experience is lackluster and that because of all this, consoles are gaining significant ground and there are all these PC gaming is dying threads.  None of this is my fault and it's understandable that you are angry and misinformed.  I would dodge the points in my argument and resort to off the wall arguments too if I were in your shoes.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Tempest: You're merely dodging my points. Irrefutable point 1) ALL PC games support gamepads, any gamepad you want, even console gamepads. Quality is not an issue. It is also easy to set it up by using Joy to Key. Irrefutable point 2) Console games are just as plagued by bugs as PC games. PCs have always had standardized harddrives. Consoles have not. Patches require what? SPACE. How are you supposed to patch without a harddrive? Games like Socom went a year with blatant map hacks becauase it was so hard to fix them. Not to mention GRAW's first patch notes for the 360 were longer than the PC. You haven't disproved anything I have said so far. You're only digging a deeper hole for yourself. The PC's problems only occur when its mishandled. If I use your logic, I'm going to go put my 360 power source in a SOCK and watch it over heat. No one told me I couldn't put it in a sock, but obviously the system is flawed because it overheated. Punkbuster isn't flawed. The only problems is client side. Punkbuster even tells you what CVARs are causing the problem, and its as easy to fix as going into the console (TILDE KEY) and fixing it. Its your fault, again, that these problems are occuring. I'm not saying PC gaming is perfect, I'm saying consoles have just the same ammount of problems. PC is just easier to fix because of its features and scalability. If my 360 breaks I have to send it into the repair lab which takes a few weeks (happened to me). Whenever I have a problem with my PC i can easily fix it on the fly.tempest91

I'm not dodging anything. You are just repeating the same things over and over as if that makes them correct. You are relying on other people to download the correct patches, update their hardware and software adequately, and correct any problems to make for a good gaming experience. It's not my fault that the PC experience is lackluster and that because of all this, consoles are gaining significant ground and there are all these PC gaming is dying threads. None of this is my fault and it's understandable that you are angry and misinformed. I would dodge the points in my argument and resort to off the wall arguments too if I were in your shoes.

Relying on who? As far as I'm concerned ONLINE is where the PC is at. One patch is not hard to install nor is it hard to connect to a server. XBL does not magically make a shoddy connection go away. 

1.) The keyboard and mouse is never better than two analog joysticks.  Reasons:   The mouse acts as one joystick, but the keyboard acts as a fixed D-pad, therefore inferior to a second joystick because of its lack of range of motion.  Also pressure senstitive triggers are a huge advantage for developers over pressure insensitive keys on a keyboard that have no second use such as throwing grenades farther, or faster rate of fire etc.  Also its harder to maintain a straight line aiming with a mouse as it covers more surface area than an analog stick.tempest91

Hear of Battlefield 2? You can control how far your gernade goes. 

blahblahblahblah....same ol same on here..

I can own at both with ZERO problems.. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Tempest: You're merely dodging my points. Irrefutable point 1) ALL PC games support gamepads, any gamepad you want, even console gamepads. Quality is not an issue. It is also easy to set it up by using Joy to Key. Irrefutable point 2) Console games are just as plagued by bugs as PC games. PCs have always had standardized harddrives. Consoles have not. Patches require what? SPACE. How are you supposed to patch without a harddrive? Games like Socom went a year with blatant map hacks becauase it was so hard to fix them. Not to mention GRAW's first patch notes for the 360 were longer than the PC. You haven't disproved anything I have said so far. You're only digging a deeper hole for yourself. The PC's problems only occur when its mishandled. If I use your logic, I'm going to go put my 360 power source in a SOCK and watch it over heat. No one told me I couldn't put it in a sock, but obviously the system is flawed because it overheated. Punkbuster isn't flawed. The only problems is client side. Punkbuster even tells you what CVARs are causing the problem, and its as easy to fix as going into the console (TILDE KEY) and fixing it. Its your fault, again, that these problems are occuring. I'm not saying PC gaming is perfect, I'm saying consoles have just the same ammount of problems. PC is just easier to fix because of its features and scalability. If my 360 breaks I have to send it into the repair lab which takes a few weeks (happened to me). Whenever I have a problem with my PC i can easily fix it on the fly.tempest91

I'm not dodging anything. You are just repeating the same things over and over as if that makes them correct. You are relying on other people to download the correct patches, update their hardware and software adequately, and correct any problems to make for a good gaming experience. It's not my fault that the PC experience is lackluster and that because of all this, consoles are gaining significant ground and there are all these PC gaming is dying threads. None of this is my fault and it's understandable that you are angry and misinformed. I would dodge the points in my argument and resort to off the wall arguments too if I were in your shoes.

Oh, you are definently dodging his points. You have posted NOTHING to prove him wrong. Everything he said is correct. Prove him wrong, I dare you. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Tempest: You're merely dodging my points. Irrefutable point 1) ALL PC games support gamepads, any gamepad you want, even console gamepads. Quality is not an issue. It is also easy to set it up by using Joy to Key. Irrefutable point 2) Console games are just as plagued by bugs as PC games. PCs have always had standardized harddrives. Consoles have not. Patches require what? SPACE. How are you supposed to patch without a harddrive? Games like Socom went a year with blatant map hacks becauase it was so hard to fix them. Not to mention GRAW's first patch notes for the 360 were longer than the PC. You haven't disproved anything I have said so far. You're only digging a deeper hole for yourself. The PC's problems only occur when its mishandled. If I use your logic, I'm going to go put my 360 power source in a SOCK and watch it over heat. No one told me I couldn't put it in a sock, but obviously the system is flawed because it overheated. Punkbuster isn't flawed. The only problems is client side. Punkbuster even tells you what CVARs are causing the problem, and its as easy to fix as going into the console (TILDE KEY) and fixing it. Its your fault, again, that these problems are occuring. I'm not saying PC gaming is perfect, I'm saying consoles have just the same ammount of problems. PC is just easier to fix because of its features and scalability. If my 360 breaks I have to send it into the repair lab which takes a few weeks (happened to me). Whenever I have a problem with my PC i can easily fix it on the fly.tempest91

I'm not dodging anything.  You are just repeating the same things over and over as if that makes them correct.  You are relying on other people to download the correct patches, update their hardware and software adequately, and correct any problems to make for a good gaming experience.  It's not my fault that the PC experience is lackluster and that because of all this, consoles are gaining significant ground and there are all these PC gaming is dying threads.  None of this is my fault and it's understandable that you are angry and misinformed.  I would dodge the points in my argument and resort to off the wall arguments too if I were in your shoes.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Tempest: You're merely dodging my points. Irrefutable point 1) ALL PC games support gamepads, any gamepad you want, even console gamepads. Quality is not an issue. It is also easy to set it up by using Joy to Key. Irrefutable point 2) Console games are just as plagued by bugs as PC games. PCs have always had standardized harddrives. Consoles have not. Patches require what? SPACE. How are you supposed to patch without a harddrive? Games like Socom went a year with blatant map hacks becauase it was so hard to fix them. Not to mention GRAW's first patch notes for the 360 were longer than the PC. You haven't disproved anything I have said so far. You're only digging a deeper hole for yourself. The PC's problems only occur when its mishandled. If I use your logic, I'm going to go put my 360 power source in a SOCK and watch it over heat. No one told me I couldn't put it in a sock, but obviously the system is flawed because it overheated. Punkbuster isn't flawed. The only problems is client side. Punkbuster even tells you what CVARs are causing the problem, and its as easy to fix as going into the console (TILDE KEY) and fixing it. Its your fault, again, that these problems are occuring. I'm not saying PC gaming is perfect, I'm saying consoles have just the same ammount of problems. PC is just easier to fix because of its features and scalability. If my 360 breaks I have to send it into the repair lab which takes a few weeks (happened to me). Whenever I have a problem with my PC i can easily fix it on the fly.trix5817

I'm not dodging anything. You are just repeating the same things over and over as if that makes them correct. You are relying on other people to download the correct patches, update their hardware and software adequately, and correct any problems to make for a good gaming experience. It's not my fault that the PC experience is lackluster and that because of all this, consoles are gaining significant ground and there are all these PC gaming is dying threads. None of this is my fault and it's understandable that you are angry and misinformed. I would dodge the points in my argument and resort to off the wall arguments too if I were in your shoes.

Oh, you are definently dodging his points. You have posted NOTHING to prove him wrong. Everything he said is correct. Prove him wrong, I dare you. 

I'm not saying these problems are directly related to me, i'm saying you're relying on others to have perfect hardware compatibility in games as well and it just doesn't happen.  Punkbuster is far from perfect and most times leaves me or the other team undermaned.  These console game problems I have never experienced.  I have a launch 360 that runs just fine and so do several of my friends.  And don't pretencd like PC's don't have problems ever.  It's not however easier to patch PC games than it is console games, because like I said, consoles work of a streamlined set of hardware and software, whereas PC's do not.  Your points are less than half right at best. And you also refute less than half of my argument accurately.

Because i didn't already post this refuting all of his points

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Tempest: You're merely dodging my points. Irrefutable point 1) ALL PC games support gamepads, any gamepad you want, even console gamepads. Quality is not an issue. It is also easy to set it up by using Joy to Key. Irrefutable point 2) Console games are just as plagued by bugs as PC games. PCs have always had standardized harddrives. Consoles have not. Patches require what? SPACE. How are you supposed to patch without a harddrive? Games like Socom went a year with blatant map hacks becauase it was so hard to fix them. Not to mention GRAW's first patch notes for the 360 were longer than the PC. You haven't disproved anything I have said so far. You're only digging a deeper hole for yourself. The PC's problems only occur when its mishandled. If I use your logic, I'm going to go put my 360 power source in a SOCK and watch it over heat. No one told me I couldn't put it in a sock, but obviously the system is flawed because it overheated. Punkbuster isn't flawed. The only problems is client side. Punkbuster even tells you what CVARs are causing the problem, and its as easy to fix as going into the console (TILDE KEY) and fixing it. Its your fault, again, that these problems are occuring. I'm not saying PC gaming is perfect, I'm saying consoles have just the same ammount of problems. PC is just easier to fix because of its features and scalability. If my 360 breaks I have to send it into the repair lab which takes a few weeks (happened to me). Whenever I have a problem with my PC i can easily fix it on the fly.tempest91

I'm not dodging anything. You are just repeating the same things over and over as if that makes them correct. You are relying on other people to download the correct patches, update their hardware and software adequately, and correct any problems to make for a good gaming experience. It's not my fault that the PC experience is lackluster and that because of all this, consoles are gaining significant ground and there are all these PC gaming is dying threads. None of this is my fault and it's understandable that you are angry and misinformed. I would dodge the points in my argument and resort to off the wall arguments too if I were in your shoes.

Oh, you are definently dodging his points. You have posted NOTHING to prove him wrong. Everything he said is correct. Prove him wrong, I dare you. 

I'm not saying these problems are directly related to me, i'm saying you're relying on others to have perfect hardware compatibility in games as well and it just doesn't happen.  Punkbuster is far from perfect and most times leaves me or the other team undermaned.  These console game problems I have never experienced.  I have a launch 360 that runs just fine and so do several of my friends.  And don't pretencd like PC's don't have problems ever.  It's not however easier to patch PC games than it is console games, because like I said, consoles work of a streamlined set of hardware and software, whereas PC's do not.  Your points are less than half right at best. And you also refute less than half of my argument accurately.

Because i didn't already post this refuting all of his points

Tempest, I have been FPSing online with thousands of people for ten years, and things don't have to be perfect to be a kick ass player.  You set your system up and adjust the settings to get a really clean frame rate, then you go and find a game, something that has never been a problem.

Cheaters are not a problem 99% of the time, and if they DO show up, the are quickly taken care of by mods or player votebans.  Racism has very rarely ever been a problem when I have gamed online, and players I have met on the PC games have generally been classier, more team oriented players, or if its death match, the compitition is more frenetic and challanging vs PC oppenents; in my vast onling FPSing experiences, the PC has always delivered year after year, where as the consoles have random moments of greatness like Goldeneye...

PC > consoles for FPS and RTS... but that's about it. :PWatch_Me_Xplode

[QUOTE="tempest91"][QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="tempest91"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Tempest: You're merely dodging my points. Irrefutable point 1) ALL PC games support gamepads, any gamepad you want, even console gamepads. Quality is not an issue. It is also easy to set it up by using Joy to Key. Irrefutable point 2) Console games are just as plagued by bugs as PC games. PCs have always had standardized harddrives. Consoles have not. Patches require what? SPACE. How are you supposed to patch without a harddrive? Games like Socom went a year with blatant map hacks becauase it was so hard to fix them. Not to mention GRAW's first patch notes for the 360 were longer than the PC. You haven't disproved anything I have said so far. You're only digging a deeper hole for yourself. The PC's problems only occur when its mishandled. If I use your logic, I'm going to go put my 360 power source in a SOCK and watch it over heat. No one told me I couldn't put it in a sock, but obviously the system is flawed because it overheated. Punkbuster isn't flawed. The only problems is client side. Punkbuster even tells you what CVARs are causing the problem, and its as easy to fix as going into the console (TILDE KEY) and fixing it. Its your fault, again, that these problems are occuring. I'm not saying PC gaming is perfect, I'm saying consoles have just the same ammount of problems. PC is just easier to fix because of its features and scalability. If my 360 breaks I have to send it into the repair lab which takes a few weeks (happened to me). Whenever I have a problem with my PC i can easily fix it on the fly.Vandalvideo

I'm not dodging anything. You are just repeating the same things over and over as if that makes them correct. You are relying on other people to download the correct patches, update their hardware and software adequately, and correct any problems to make for a good gaming experience. It's not my fault that the PC experience is lackluster and that because of all this, consoles are gaining significant ground and there are all these PC gaming is dying threads. None of this is my fault and it's understandable that you are angry and misinformed. I would dodge the points in my argument and resort to off the wall arguments too if I were in your shoes.

Oh, you are definently dodging his points. You have posted NOTHING to prove him wrong. Everything he said is correct. Prove him wrong, I dare you. 

I'm not saying these problems are directly related to me, i'm saying you're relying on others to have perfect hardware compatibility in games as well and it just doesn't happen.  Punkbuster is far from perfect and most times leaves me or the other team undermaned.  These console game problems I have never experienced.  I have a launch 360 that runs just fine and so do several of my friends.  And don't pretencd like PC's don't have problems ever.  It's not however easier to patch PC games than it is console games, because like I said, consoles work of a streamlined set of hardware and software, whereas PC's do not.  Your points are less than half right at best. And you also refute less than half of my argument accurately.

Because i didn't already post this refuting all of his points

That's why we are talking about next gen consoles that do have hard drives standard for downloading addon's and patches, so once again you are wrong.  And like i said, patches for console games are for small bugs here and there as well as addons, PC patches are to fix ridiculous system crashes, video card problems, and other serious hardware issues. And i have refuted all of your points.  Just because you choose to ignore my points, doesn't make yours any more valid.  I'm glad you stick to PC games, so I don't have to hear this nonsense in pregame lobbies. 

Tempest, I have been FPSing online with thousands of people for ten years, and things don't have to be perfect to be a kick ass player.  You set your system up and adjust the settings to get a really clean frame rate, then you go and find a game, something that has never been a problem.

Cheaters are not a problem 99% of the time, and if they DO show up, the are quickly taken care of by mods or player votebans.  Racism has very rarely ever been a problem when I have gamed online, and players I have met on the PC games have generally been classier, more team oriented players, or if its death match, the compitition is more frenetic and challanging vs PC oppenents; in my vast onling FPSing experiences, the PC has always delivered year after year, where as the consoles have random moments of greatness like Goldeneye...

MetalContra

that's all optimism, the reality is far worse. Otherwise there wouldn't be so much demand for console shooters, and so many PC gaming is dead threads started.  You all are overlooking valid points here.