PC has Piracy, Consoles have piracy, and used game market

All systems are hurt by people getting games in these ways.

and the used game market does a hell of alot more damage than piracy, imagine, if everyone that buys games at EB games, went out and got the retail version(new), the companies lose far more money to that than PC market does to piracy

All systems are hurt by people getting games in these ways.

and the used game market does a hell of alot more damage than piracy, imagine, if everyone that buys games at EB games, went out and got the retail version(new), the companies lose far more money to that than PC market does to piracy

shadow_hosi

link?

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]

All systems are hurt by people getting games in these ways.

and the used game market does a hell of alot more damage than piracy, imagine, if everyone that buys games at EB games, went out and got the retail version(new), the companies lose far more money to that than PC market does to piracy

robflores370

link?

Yes it is hurting the industry.

Alot.

Thats why Digital Distribution is being pushed.

http://kotaku.com/344807/used-game-sales-are-parasitic-hurting-industry?cpage=3

I think people underestimate the used games market. I've had a PS2 for years and never bought a "new" game. It was always a used or second-hand "new" game from half.com.hellhund

Its just the same as piracy, and just as bad

Not a cent is going to the publisher or developer.

Used sales technically rob them of any profit.

Each time you buy a used game they lose a sale.

Piracy is waaaay different to used games, with used games somebody already bought the game, sure it's 1 less person buying it new but there is still one copy being bought for about 2-3 people playing the game. With piracy it's like 1 copy being bought and thousands of people playing that one copy.bobbetybob

Only that the used game market is about 1000 times bigger... Equalling a bigger loss..

skrat_01

Yes it is hurting the industry.

Alot.

Thats why Digital Distribution is being pushed.

So where is the part about it damaging the industry more than piracy?...I seemed to have missed that part in your link....no one is denying that it is damaging, but to say that it does more damage than piracy is HIGHLY doubtful

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]Piracy is waaaay different to used games, with used games somebody already bought the game, sure it's 1 less person buying it new but there is still one copy being bought for about 2-3 people playing the game. With piracy it's like 1 copy being bought and thousands of people playing that one copy.omgimba

Only that the used game market is about 1000 times bigger... Equalling a bigger loss..

perhaps, but the console market ever since the newer gen consoles have come out in 05/06, have consistantly recorded record numbers every quarter, so it can't be all that bad.

Meanwhile I keep hearing PC developers complain more and more about piracy, leading me to believe it's doing more damage.

So where is the part about it damaging the industry more than piracy?...I seemed to have missed that part in your link....no one is denying that it is damaging, but to say that it does more damage than piracy is HIGHLY doubtful

robflores370

I said quote "its hurting the industry"

I also said buying a pre owned game is "just the same as piracy. its just as bad"

:|

Though yes it is causing 'massive damage'.

retailers - huge franchises and all - push it constantly (its a no brainer as they get 100% profits from pre owned sales), and both gamers and the general public go for it. One Billion speaks for itself.

Hell another matter - the Mod Chip industry is booming thanks to the Wii and 360 - its no wonder MS is attempting to crack down , as is Nnintendo - both efforts completely futile.

Gamers are also completely ignorant to the damage it causes.
Sure people cant rant about piracy, but when it comes to pre-owned games, no one seems to even acknowledge it.

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

So where is the part about it damaging the industry more than piracy?...I seemed to have missed that part in your link....no one is denying that it is damaging, but to say that it does more damage than piracy is HIGHLY doubtful

skrat_01

I said quote "its hurting the industry"

I also said buying a pre owned game is "just the same as piracy. its just as bad"

:|

Though yes it is causing 'massive damage'.

retailers - huge franchises and all - push it constantly (its a no brainer as they get 100% profits from pre owned sales), and both gamers and the general public go for it. One Billion speaks for itself.

Hell another matter - the Mod Chip industry is booming thanks to the Wii and 360 - its no wonder MS is attempting to crack down , as is Nnintendo - both efforts completely futile.

Gamers are also completely ignorant to the damage it causes.
Sure people cant rant about piracy, but when it comes to pre-owned games, no one seems to even acknowledge it.

Sorry but you are wrong, it is not the same as piracy....when people trade in games at gamestop, guess what they do with their new trade ins?...BUY more games...jeez its no where near the same and it is damaging but not as much as record sales of video game software in the u.s. alone say otherwise. "The NPD Group, U.S. sales of video games, which includes portable and console hardware, software and accessories, generated revenues of almost $18 billion, a 43 percent increase over the $12.5 billion generated in 2006. " There are countless articles on pc gaming piracy, and a sprinkle about used games, hmmm which one does MORE damage?.....its fairly obvious

http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_080131b.html

Don't people sell used PC games on eBay, Amazon and various web sites? Deihmos

On new release day can I go buy that game used?....NO!....but one can sure go pirate it on the internet.....that is the BIG difference in usesd games and piracy. You can pirate a game from day one or before.....and you usually have to wait a while before it is available used. So does this make them equal....NO!....its fairly obvious that piracy does much more damage

Sorry but you are wrong, it is not the same as piracy....when people trade in games at gamestop, guess what they do with their trade ins?...BUY more games

robflores370

Yes, they use their ill-gotten money from trading in used games that publishers don't get any money from to buy MORE used games, which then keeps this process in a vicious cycle from which there is no return, thus causing the death of gaming as we know it. Thanks consoles.

;)

Sorry but you are wrong, it is not the same as piracy....when people trade in games at gamestop, guess what they do with their trade ins?...BUY more games...jeez its no where near the same and it is damaging but not as much as record sales of video game software in the u.s. alone say otherwise. "The NPD Group, U.S. sales of video games, which includes portable and console hardware, software and accessories, generated revenues of almost $18 billion, a 43 percent increase over the $12.5 billion generated in 2006. " There are countless articles on pc gaming piracy, and a sprinkle about used games, hmmm which one does MORE damage?.....its fairly obvious

http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_080131b.html

robflores370

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

Sorry but you are wrong, it is not the same as piracy....when people trade in games at gamestop, guess what they do with their trade ins?...BUY more games

t3hTwinky

Yes, they use their ill-gotten money from trading in used games that publishers don't get any money from to buy MORE used games, which then keeps this process in a vicious cycle from which there is no return, thus causing the death of gaming as we know it. Thanks consoles.

;)

I meant trading in New games...sorry i will edit.....but funny post nonetheless

[QUOTE="robflores370"]Sorry but you are wrong, it is not the same as piracy....when people trade in games at gamestop, guess what they do with their trade ins?...BUY more games...jeez its no where near the same and it is damaging but not as much as record sales of video game software in the u.s. alone say otherwise. "The NPD Group, U.S. sales of video games, which includes portable and console hardware, software and accessories, generated revenues of almost $18 billion, a 43 percent increase over the $12.5 billion generated in 2006. " There are countless articles on pc gaming piracy, and a sprinkle about used games, hmmm which one does MORE damage?.....its fairly obvious

http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_080131b.html

foxhound_fox

That's pretty easy...here's just one, that states 3.5 Billion is lost annually due to piracy and not including P2P piracy. "The Entertainment Software Association estimates that the video game industry loses about $3.5 billion every year due to this kind of hard-goods piracy. But these numbers don't include the 500-pound gorilla: Internet piracy and peer-to-peer transfers"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18665162/

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

So where is the part about it damaging the industry more than piracy?...I seemed to have missed that part in your link....no one is denying that it is damaging, but to say that it does more damage than piracy is HIGHLY doubtful

robflores370

I said quote "its hurting the industry"

I also said buying a pre owned game is "just the same as piracy. its just as bad"

:|

Though yes it is causing 'massive damage'.

retailers - huge franchises and all - push it constantly (its a no brainer as they get 100% profits from pre owned sales), and both gamers and the general public go for it. One Billion speaks for itself.

Hell another matter - the Mod Chip industry is booming thanks to the Wii and 360 - its no wonder MS is attempting to crack down , as is Nnintendo - both efforts completely futile.

Gamers are also completely ignorant to the damage it causes.
Sure people cant rant about piracy, but when it comes to pre-owned games, no one seems to even acknowledge it.

Sorry but you are wrong, it is not the same as piracy....when people trade in games at gamestop, guess what they do with their trade ins?...BUY more games...jeez its no where near the same and it is damaging but not as much as record sales of video game software in the u.s. alone say otherwise. "The NPD Group, U.S. sales of video games, which includes portable and console hardware, software and accessories, generated revenues of almost $18 billion, a 43 percent increase over the $12.5 billion generated in 2006. " There are countless articles on pc gaming piracy, and a sprinkle about used games, hmmm which one does MORE damage?.....its fairly obvious

http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_080131b.html.

They buy more games, yes, but they could be buying pre owned games.

They could be trading in 3 pre owned games for 1 new game, and 3 people are going to buy those pre owned games, and possibly trade them back eventually, for someone else to buy.

Unlike Piracy pre owned games sales is a vicious cycle.

And yes Console sales are increasing because the userbases are increasing. Duh. DO you think PC gaming profit percentages arent increasing? How ignorant of you.

PC GAME Profit rose 16% in 2008, not including the huge casual games market. Globally it makes 9.6 BILLION revenue.

If you hadent noticed MMO subscribtions ALONE - in the USA - have 1 BILLION dollars SPENT on them..

This is not including hardware sales, such as gaming GPUs.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/05/americans_now_spend_1_billion_a_year_on_game_subscriptions-2.html

http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance

Get your facts straight.

Big difference is ONE gets more PUBLICITY than the other, while one is there when you step into every single game store, and promoted to you.

Now I would like to know where you had said "Pre owned games are WORSE than piracy".

Please provide a quote to this claim.

Now im sorry 1 Billion Dollars each year is lost to Pre owned games.

That is a fact.

Its Damaging the industry.

That is a fact.

It doesent get much coverage, and most people are ignorant to it.

That is a fact.

Face it already.

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

Sorry but you are wrong, it is not the same as piracy....when people trade in games at gamestop, guess what they do with their trade ins?...BUY more games

robflores370

Yes, they use their ill-gotten money from trading in used games that publishers don't get any money from to buy MORE used games, which then keeps this process in a vicious cycle from which there is no return, thus causing the death of gaming as we know it. Thanks consoles.

;)

I meant trading in New games...sorry i will edit.....but funny post nonetheless

Why buy new when you can buy used? Its cheaper! :o

[QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

So where is the part about it damaging the industry more than piracy?...I seemed to have missed that part in your link....no one is denying that it is damaging, but to say that it does more damage than piracy is HIGHLY doubtful

skrat_01

I said quote "its hurting the industry"

I also said buying a pre owned game is "just the same as piracy. its just as bad"

:|

Though yes it is causing 'massive damage'.

retailers - huge franchises and all - push it constantly (its a no brainer as they get 100% profits from pre owned sales), and both gamers and the general public go for it. One Billion speaks for itself.

Hell another matter - the Mod Chip industry is booming thanks to the Wii and 360 - its no wonder MS is attempting to crack down , as is Nnintendo - both efforts completely futile.

Gamers are also completely ignorant to the damage it causes.
Sure people cant rant about piracy, but when it comes to pre-owned games, no one seems to even acknowledge it.

Sorry but you are wrong, it is not the same as piracy....when people trade in games at gamestop, guess what they do with their trade ins?...BUY more games...jeez its no where near the same and it is damaging but not as much as record sales of video game software in the u.s. alone say otherwise. "The NPD Group, U.S. sales of video games, which includes portable and console hardware, software and accessories, generated revenues of almost $18 billion, a 43 percent increase over the $12.5 billion generated in 2006. " There are countless articles on pc gaming piracy, and a sprinkle about used games, hmmm which one does MORE damage?.....its fairly obvious

http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_080131b.html.

They buy more games, yes, but they could be buying pre owned games.

They could be trading in 3 pre owned games for 1 new game, and 3 people are going to buy those pre owned games, and possibly trade them back eventually, for someone else to buy.

Unlike Piracy pre owned games sales is a vicious cycle.

And yes Console sales are increasing because the userbases are increasing. Duh. DO you think PC gaming profit percentages arent increasing? How ignorant of you.

PC GAME Profit rose 16% in 2008, not including the huge casual games market.

If you hadent noticed MMO subscribtions ALONE - in the USA - have 1 BILLION dollars SPENT on them..

This is not including hardware sales, such as gaming GPUs.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/05/americans_now_spend_1_billion_a_year_on_game_subscriptions-2.html

http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance

Get your facts straight.

Big difference is ONE gets more PUBLICITY than the other, while one is there when you step into every single game store, and promoted to you.

Now I would like to know where you had said "Pre owned games are WORSE than piracy".

Please provide a quote to this claim.

Now im sorry 1 Billion Dollars each year is lost to Pre owned games.

That is a fact.

Its Damaging the industry.

That is a fact.

It doesent get much coverage, and most people are ignorant to it.

That is a fact.

Face it already.

you are still wrong....see the post i made above you here is the article.....3.5 Billion to piracy alone not including P2P piracy..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18665162

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[QUOTE="robflores370"]

Sorry but you are wrong, it is not the same as piracy....when people trade in games at gamestop, guess what they do with their trade ins?...BUY more games

t3hTwinky

Yes, they use their ill-gotten money from trading in used games that publishers don't get any money from to buy MORE used games, which then keeps this process in a vicious cycle from which there is no return, thus causing the death of gaming as we know it. Thanks consoles.

;)

I don't think Gamestop gives you any money. What you get is store credit.

[QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="t3hTwinky"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

Sorry but you are wrong, it is not the same as piracy....when people trade in games at gamestop, guess what they do with their trade ins?...BUY more games

t3hTwinky

Yes, they use their ill-gotten money from trading in used games that publishers don't get any money from to buy MORE used games, which then keeps this process in a vicious cycle from which there is no return, thus causing the death of gaming as we know it. Thanks consoles.

;)

I meant trading in New games...sorry i will edit.....but funny post nonetheless

Why buy new when you can buy used? Its cheaper! :o

So i can buy a new released game used? ...wow didn't know that thanks...:roll:

That's pretty easy...here's just one, that states 3.5 Billion is lost annually due to piracy and not including P2P piracy. "The Entertainment Software Association estimates that the video game industry loses about $3.5 billion every year due to this kind of hard-goods piracy. But these numbers don't include the 500-pound gorilla: Internet piracy and peer-to-peer transfers"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18665162/

robflores370

you are still wrong....see the post i made above you here is the article.....3.5 Billion to piracy alone not including P2P piracy..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18665162.

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robflores370

:|

Honestly.

Did i ever say you were wrong.

Said you were ignorant to the state of PC gaming and Pre Owned games sale damages - and you most certainly are, but I never said you were wrong about Piracy causing much damage

Bravo, why dont you put a feather in your cap and frolic around the interwebs.

[QUOTE="robflores370"]That's pretty easy...here's just one, that states 3.5 Billion is lost annually due to piracy and not including P2P piracy. "The Entertainment Software Association estimates that the video game industry loses about $3.5 billion every year due to this kind of hard-goods piracy. But these numbers don't include the 500-pound gorilla: Internet piracy and peer-to-peer transfers"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18665162/

foxhound_fox

look I never said it wasnt damaging, i think we all know that but to say that it is EQUAL to piracy such as Skrat said, is completely false.

look I never said it wasnt damaging, i think we all know that but to say that it is EQUAL to piracy such as Skrat said, is completely false.

robflores370

I said buying a Pre owned game was just as bad as pirating it, to the user who said they only buy pre owned games

It is.

Now where did I say Pre owned games damanging the industry as much as piracy.

:|

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

you are still wrong....see the post i made above you here is the article.....3.5 Billion to piracy alone not including P2P piracy..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18665162.

/

skrat_01

:|

Honestly.

Did i ever say you were wrong.

Said you were ignorant to the state of PC gaming and Pre Owned games sale damages - and you most certainly are, but I never said you were wrong about Piracy causing much damage

Bravo, why dont you put a feather in your cap and frolic around the interwebs.

wow your maturity really shines in your posts...congrats!......You said that it was the SAME as piracy.....i think i have proven enough that it is far from that, sorry i won't argue with a child anymore , good day....

"Its just the same as piracy, and just as bad" are your exact quotes....

wow your maturity really shines in your posts...congrats!......You said that it was the SAME as piracy.....i think i have proven enough that it is far from that, sorry i won't argue with a child anymore , good day....

"Its just the same as piracy, and just as bad" are your excat quotes....

robflores370

And no you didnt even check the post I was quoting did you

You just looked at my comment and decided to take it out of context completely.

Bravo.

Shining example of your own maturity, to base your entire argument against me on it.

Please read it again.

[QUOTE="hellhund"]I think people underestimate the used games market. I've had a PS2 for years and never bought a "new" game. It was always a used or second-hand "new" game from half.com.skrat_01

Its just the same as piracy, and just as bad

Not a cent is going to the publisher or developer.

Used sales technically rob them of any profit.

Each time you buy a used game they lose a sale.

So i can buy a new released game used? ...wow didn't know that thanks...:roll:

robflores370

Sure you can, I've seen used games sitting around my local Gamestop that had been released a few days earlier.

I don't think Gamestop gives you any money. What you get is store credit.

Deihmos

You can get both at the one in my area, but cash is always < store credit. My friend Hosi was turning in some games, the store credit was around $70 and the cash offering was $17.

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"][QUOTE="robflores370"][QUOTE="t3hTwinky"][QUOTE="robflores370"]

Sorry but you are wrong, it is not the same as piracy....when people trade in games at gamestop, guess what they do with their trade ins?...BUY more games

robflores370

Yes, they use their ill-gotten money from trading in used games that publishers don't get any money from to buy MORE used games, which then keeps this process in a vicious cycle from which there is no return, thus causing the death of gaming as we know it. Thanks consoles.

;)

I meant trading in New games...sorry i will edit.....but funny post nonetheless

Why buy new when you can buy used? Its cheaper! :o

So i can buy a new released game used? ...wow didn't know that thanks...:roll:

just wait 3 days and you can find cheeper used ones

Used Games market deals with legit copies. Consoles do have priacy, but its far, far worse ont he PC.KingCotton462

Bingo. If piracy was such a big problem why are these games breaking records. The console pirates seems to be an insignificant amount. I can't believe someone actually made a topic about used games. Used games exist on all platforms including computers.

[QUOTE="robflores370"]

So i can buy a new released game used? ...wow didn't know that thanks...:roll:

t3hTwinky

Sure you can, I've seen used games sitting around my local Gamestop that had been released a few days earlier.

I don't think Gamestop gives you any money. What you get is store credit.

Deihmos

You can get both at the one in my area, but cash is always < store credit. My friend Hosi was turning in some games, the store credit was around $70 and the cash offering was $17.

yeah that was so lame :(, but i got some random junk out of it :D and it cleaned out my x360 games i wasnt going to play anymore

Used Games market deals with legit copies. Consoles do have priacy, but its far, far worse ont he PC.KingCotton462

[QUOTE="KingCotton462"]Used Games market deals with legit copies. Consoles do have priacy, but its far, far worse ont he PC.foxhound_fox

Gamestop gives you a chance to save something insignificant like $5.00 and the used stock is always low for new games. Most people still go for the new copy. I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. You can return used products to stores for a full refund what is wrong with returning a game for a partial refund to get a new one.

just wait 3 days and you can find cheeper used ones

shadow_hosi

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]

just wait 3 days and you can find cheeper used ones

skrat_01

i recall seeing used Halo 3 copies just 2 days after it came out

Gamestop gives you a chance to save something insignificant like $5.00 and the used stock is always low for new games. Most people still go for the new copy. I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. You can return used products to stores for a full refund what is wrong with returning a game for a partial refund to get a new one.Deihmos

[QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="KingCotton462"]Used Games market deals with legit copies. Consoles do have priacy, but its far, far worse ont he PC.shadow_hosi

Bingo. If piracy was such a big problem why are these games breaking records. The console pirates seems to be an insignificant amount. I can't believe someone actually made a topic about used games. Used games exist on all platforms including computers.

used games are virtually non-existant on newer games due to cd-key regestrey and what not

used games may be legit but that dosent mean it dosent cost the devs and publishers alot of money now does it?

i mean, if you all went out and bought only used games, do you think consoles would be nearly as big?

the only reason it isnt strongly impacted is because the market is growing so rapidly and most people buy used games.

and no, console pirates are not an 'insignificant ammount' there were 100s of thousands of people getting GTAIV before it came out

You don't know how many got GTA before release and judging from the websites it didn't hit 50,000 downloads. That's asuming everyone that got it can actually play it. I can pretty much find any used PC game within the first week. How did you come up with this topic?

[QUOTE="Deihmos"]Gamestop gives you a chance to save something insignificant like $5.00 and the used stock is always low for new games. Most people still go for the new copy. I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. You can return used products to stores for a full refund what is wrong with returning a game for a partial refund to get a new one.foxhound_fox

Maybe we should ban people selling anything used. i shouldn't be able to sell my preowened DVDs. i think eBay needs to be shutdown or we should ban anything used from being sold. :?

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="KingCotton462"]Used Games market deals with legit copies. Consoles do have priacy, but its far, far worse ont he PC.Deihmos

Bingo. If piracy was such a big problem why are these games breaking records. The console pirates seems to be an insignificant amount. I can't believe someone actually made a topic about used games. Used games exist on all platforms including computers.

used games are virtually non-existant on newer games due to cd-key regestrey and what not

used games may be legit but that dosent mean it dosent cost the devs and publishers alot of money now does it?

i mean, if you all went out and bought only used games, do you think consoles would be nearly as big?

the only reason it isnt strongly impacted is because the market is growing so rapidly and most people buy used games.

and no, console pirates are not an 'insignificant ammount' there were 100s of thousands of people getting GTAIV before it came out

You don't know how many got GTA before release and judging from the websites it didn't hit 50,000 downloads. That's asuming everyone that got it can actually play it. I can pretty much find any used PC game within the first week. How did you come up with this topic?

because the fact that the used games do hurt the console industry, and that along with the consoel pirates (and the people that only rent games) wind up costing the console market a ton of money, but seeing as nobody talks about that and only talks about PC piracy (wich cant be that bad if the market-share is still going up). I can go to Gamestop today and get a used GTAIV for probably $58-$55, and in doing that, it hurts the game industry, fromt he developers point of view, its not any different than piracy as it robs them of money

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]Gamestop gives you a chance to save something insignificant like $5.00 and the used stock is always low for new games. Most people still go for the new copy. I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. You can return used products to stores for a full refund what is wrong with returning a game for a partial refund to get a new one.Deihmos

Maybe we should ban people selling anything used. i shouldn't be able to sell my preowened DVDs. i think eBay needs to be shutdown. :?

Its the way these retailers go about it.

Its going to be a **** storm when DD does become the norm though - If I remember correctly Penny Arcade did a comic on GameSpots practices v DD.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]Gamestop gives you a chance to save something insignificant like $5.00 and the used stock is always low for new games. Most people still go for the new copy. I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. You can return used products to stores for a full refund what is wrong with returning a game for a partial refund to get a new one.Deihmos

Maybe we should ban people selling anything used. i shouldn't be able to sell my preowened DVDs. i think eBay needs to be shutdown. :?

the selling of DVDs dosent hurt the movie industry anywhere near as much, most DVDs are (at most) $20, where-as games are $60, movies make profit in the theater, where as games only make profit from the disk sales

they are completely different, but nice try to twist his words

No one talks about it because the whole thing is insignificant. Deihmos

Its going to be a **** storm when DD does become the norm though - If I remember correctly Penny Arcade did a comic on GameSpots practices v DD.

skrat_01

dont the companies still make profit from DD?

No one talks about it because the whole thing is insignificant. Developers and publishers are talking about PC piracy because sales are suffering and the volume of pirated games are growing. Epic said there were 40 million attempts to play UT with a pirated key. They are about 500 people usually playing that game.
Deihmos