PC vs X360

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

-Torchlight 1 8.3

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/torchlight

-Couldn't find titans quest on meta.

-Diablo 3 isn't released yet. Diablo 2 was AA so I am presuming 3 will be AA too.

-Grim Dawn wasn't on meta critic either.

-Heroes of Might and Magic V wasnt an rpg

-The witcher 8.1

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher

-Kings Bounty not on meta

-The dark eye: drakensang 7.5

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-dark-eye-drakensang

-A Farewell to Dragons not on meta

-Gothic 3 6.3

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/gothic-3

-Neverwinter Nights 2 8.2

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/neverwinter-nights-2

badtaker

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/kings-bounty-armored-princess

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/kings-bounty-the-legend

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/titan-quest-immortal-throne

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/titan-quest

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

Thats funny because the 360 was only around for a couple of years. Nice way to filter out information so that it is in the pc's favour. If what you said was true I would be playing my pc more often =) So you are telling me I have to play decade old games to play good shooters on the pc? Your logic.

roflcopter317

Do you realise that gamespot isn't the correct way to compare scores of games? A little website called METACRITIC. According to meta critic, Crysis was the pc's only AAA fps game in years.

Which is why it's only ever spouted here in posts like yours. Either way, doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of amazing shooters on the PC, let alone exclusive ones. But hey, you don't play them, what does it matter?

They still exist and are relevant as ever.

This argument about rpg's is stupid. The majority of them are bad on each system.

roflcopter317

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

This argument about rpg's is stupid. The majority of them are bad on each system.

coreybg

You saw you're losing the argument and suddenly it's stupid. Just... LOL

Actualy I seen the scores for both exclusive rpg games and I thought "Jesus those games are medicore". PC fanboys always try there hardest to pick at everything I say... *Sigh*

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

This argument about rpg's is stupid. The majority of them are bad on each system.

coreybg

You saw you're losing the argument and suddenly it's stupid. Just... LOL

well if you consider multiplats not available on PC and xbox live offerings (since alot of the PC games didnt seem like retail offerings)... i dont think the PC would come out on top.

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]I'm not 'filtering out' information. To quote myself "The gamespot 'exclusive' list is vindictative of this" To source this: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AriQpIFbPoEacGM1b0xxcGVucFQ3OFc4N3BNZmd2QkE&gid=3 As you hopefully know this only counts since the Xbox 360 was released. and if you want to play a 10 year old quality shooter. Go for it. If you want to play a new release quality shooter, you can do that to.skrat_01

Do you realise that gamespot isn't the correct way to compare scores of games? A little website called METACRITIC. According to meta critic, Crysis was the pc's only AAA fps game in years.

Which is why it's only ever spouted here in posts like yours. Either way, doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of amazing shooters on the PC, let alone exclusive ones. But hey, you don't play them, what does it matter?

They still exist and are relevant as ever.

I never heard of game rankings. But pc also fails on there too.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS.

Consoles are the way of the future for gaming whether you like it or not.DFL274

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

Do you realise that gamespot isn't the correct way to compare scores of games? A little website called METACRITIC. According to meta critic, Crysis was the pc's only AAA fps game in years.

roflcopter317

Which is why it's only ever spouted here in posts like yours. Either way, doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of amazing shooters on the PC, let alone exclusive ones. But hey, you don't play them, what does it matter?

They still exist and are relevant as ever.

I never heard of game rankings.

[QUOTE="badtaker"]

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

-Torchlight 1 8.3

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/torchlight

-Couldn't find titans quest on meta.

-Diablo 3 isn't released yet. Diablo 2 was AA so I am presuming 3 will be AA too.

-Grim Dawn wasn't on meta critic either.

-Heroes of Might and Magic V wasnt an rpg

-The witcher 8.1

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher

-Kings Bounty not on meta

-The dark eye: drakensang 7.5

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-dark-eye-drakensang

-A Farewell to Dragons not on meta

-Gothic 3 6.3

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/gothic-3

-Neverwinter Nights 2 8.2

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/neverwinter-nights-2

FGMPR

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/kings-bounty-armored-princess

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/kings-bounty-the-legend

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/titan-quest-immortal-throne

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/titan-quest

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

@roflcopter316, PC has had more exclusives compared to the 360, than your God can even count. And that's a fact, if you do your research. You're the definition of a butt-hurt fanboy that's gelous at the PC.

And that's the only thing you proved trough out all your trollish posts here. Keep going, and provide laughter.

Now get mad.

roflcopter317

Do you realise I own a pc, and that all of the majority of those games are around decades old?

I only included games from 2005 onwards. If you really want to compare the PCs RPGs to the Xbox 360 from before then, then Baldurs Gate, Deus Ex, Fallout, Planescape: Torment all say hi.

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]You could have mentioned Game Rankings as well, but your rather obnoxious point seemed to miss that. As everyone knows, meta scores are inherently flawed; every site calculates their result alternatively to a scaling system.

Which is why it's only ever spouted here in posts like yours. Either way, doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of amazing shooters on the PC, let alone exclusive ones. But hey, you don't play them, what does it matter?

They still exist and are relevant as ever.

skrat_01

I never heard of game rankings.

It looks like I just won this argument about exclusives.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

I never heard of game rankings.

roflcopter317

It looks like I just won this argument about exclusives.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS.

And all Xbox 360 has is Halo 3.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

PCs have better graphics, are more customizable and a wider arrange of games and better controls and can do other things besides gaming. Better Graphics. Well thats not totally true. PCs potentially have better graphics, but you have to pay considerably more for the PC to get those better graphics. For a cheaper PC the graphics aren't all that better than a console. But PCs can have much better graphics, if you're willing to pay.

DFL274

Actually, there are quite a few budget rigs, priced around $500 that can game at 1080p and sometimes above. I wouldn't call that paying "considerably more".

Customizing is really reserved for computer geeks. For me, I don't want to have to go spending hours trolling mod sites and backing up .ini files just to add a mod. Just pop the game in and play it. End of story. But you have that option on PCs, where with consoles you don't. I just think most people won't really bother so I don't think this is valid.

DFL274

Many people won't use Move/Kinect, does that make them valid? More and more mods are coming with self-installers (especially larger ones) and most developers make adding mods simple. In The Witcher you simply put an "Override" folder in the main directory and copy the files there.

PCs do have more games, but most of them are out-of-date games. There are virtually no exclusives outside of MMOs that are PC only when it comes to new releases. PCs do have much more online games available but if you aren't into online games then there is no difference at all between a PC and a console here.

DFL274

Out-of-date? Every exclusive we count comes from this generation and it still has vastly more than consoles. There are also a plethora of Sims, Adventures, Strategy (sub-genres included). The last few exclusives we've had were Starcraft II (not an MMO), Napopleon: Total War (not an MMO), Dawn of War II: Chaos (not an MMO), The Sims 3: Ambitions (not an MMO), Tropico 3: Absolute Poewer (not an MMO), Stalker: CoP (not an MMO), and those are from 2010.

But I do think PCs are dying and consoles are just starting their way up. PCs are dying because people just don't need or want these expensive high-powered rigs anymore. People are buying notebooks and smartphones now. So I think though the PC is far from dead right now, its on its way out. Consoles are the way of the future for gaming whether you like it or not.DFL274

I've shown that you don't need expensive rigs, and many people are going with budget gaming. Plus considering the PC gaming market grew in 2009 over 2008, it's hard to say that it's "dying".

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]I'm not surprised.WhenCicadasCry

It looks like I just won this argument about exclusives.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS.

And all Xbox 360 has is Halo 3.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

Wait I havn't stopped there.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=80&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

Gears of war 1 and 2.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=80&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

PC=nothing.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

I never heard of game rankings.

roflcopter317

It looks like I just won this argument about exclusives.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS.

DFL274

http://news.filefront.com/modding/ :?

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

It looks like I just won this argument about exclusives.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS.

roflcopter317

And all Xbox 360 has is Halo 3.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

Wait I havn't stopped there.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=80&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

Gears of war 1 and 2.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=80&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

PC=nothing.

Since when was Gears an FPS? :|

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]I'm not surprised.FGMPR

It looks like I just won this argument about exclusives.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS.

Do you realise regenerating health doesn't 'hold your hand', it actualy make the combat faster by not having to go pick up a med pack after every fight.

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

And all Xbox 360 has is Halo 3.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

WhenCicadasCry

Wait I havn't stopped there.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=80&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

Gears of war 1 and 2.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=80&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

PC=nothing.

Since when was Gears an FPS? :|

It is a shooter. Plus don't forget halo reach is comming out in about 4 days.

@DFL274

Modding is valid, developers released mod tools for their game.Modding is IMP in PC gaming it increases the sales and developers know that.

Mass Effect and BC2 are not modded because developers have not release the mod tools

DFL274

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]I'm not surprised.FGMPR

It looks like I just won this argument about exclusives.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS.

It looks like I just won this argument about exclusives.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS.

roflcopter317

[QUOTE="FGMPR"][QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

It looks like I just won this argument about exclusives.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS.

roflcopter317

Do you realise regenerating health doesn't 'hold your hand', it actualy make the combat faster by not having to go pick up a med pack after every fight.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

It looks like I just won this argument about exclusives.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS.

roflcopter317

And all Xbox 360 has is Halo 3.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=79&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search=

Wait I havn't stopped there.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=80&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

Gears of war 1 and 2.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=80&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

PC=nothing.

Gears of war 1 = Exclusive ?badtaker

Or an FPS, which the poster specified by saying:

"EXCLUSIVE AAA FPS GAMES FROM 2004 TO 2010 = UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 AND CRYSIS."

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]skrat_01

360 wins in the shooter department. From 2005 to 2010 AAA.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=55&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

360= Halo: 3, Halo: Reach (comming soon), Gears 2, Gears 3 (upcomming).

PC= Crysis.

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

[QUOTE="FGMPR"] And yet 90% of PC gamers wouldn't swap STALKER for Halo, even without overblown ratings based on hype. You know why? because you have the same type of game, over and over again with console FPS's. The only place you will find innovation is on the PC, and it's the only place where you will find FPS's that don't hold your hand, give you endless regenerating health and a gigantic arrow that removes any sense of exploration. STALKER and Cryostasis are better games than any Halo or Cod. FGMPR

Do you realise regenerating health doesn't 'hold your hand', it actualy make the combat faster by not having to go pick up a med pack after every fight.

And do you realise there are med packs in halo reach?

[QUOTE="FGMPR"][QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

Do you realise regenerating health doesn't 'hold your hand', it actualy make the combat faster by not having to go pick up a med pack after every fight.

roflcopter317

And do you realise there are med packs in halo reach?

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

[QUOTE="FGMPR"] It removes requiring you to strategically move throughout the level so you don't bust through your health. It turns every FPS winnable by using one universal strategy... hide when you're taking damage. Not having health regenerate is infinitely more challenging that having your health recharge. It's about stripping yet another layer of strategy from FPS games in order to appease to the lowest common denominator.FGMPR

And do you realise there are med packs in halo reach?

I played the reach beta and I didn't like the med pack idea. It makes it alot more enjoyable to just get shot and have your health regenerate then having to find med packs when you are hurt. Sigh.

[QUOTE="DFL274"]

Actually, there are quite a few budget rigs, priced around $500 that can game at 1080p and sometimes above. I wouldn't call that paying "considerably more".

[QUOTE="DFL274"]

Many people won't use Move/Kinect, does that make them valid? More and more mods are coming with self-installers (especially larger ones) and most developers make adding mods simple. In The Witcher you simply put an "Override" folder in the main directory and copy the files there.

[QUOTE="DFL274"]

PCs do have more games, but most of them are out-of-date games. There are virtually no exclusives outside of MMOs that are PC only when it comes to new releases. PCs do have much more online games available but if you aren't into online games then there is no difference at all between a PC and a console here.

Out-of-date? Every exclusive we count comes from this generation and it still has vastly more than consoles. There are also a plethora of Sims, Adventures, Strategy (sub-genres included). The last few exclusives we've had were Starcraft II (not an MMO), Napopleon: Total War (not an MMO), Dawn of War II: Chaos (not an MMO), The Sims 3: Ambitions (not an MMO), Tropico 3: Absolute Poewer (not an MMO), Stalker: CoP (not an MMO), and those are from 2010.

[QUOTE="DFL274"]

But I do think PCs are dying and consoles are just starting their way up. PCs are dying because people just don't need or want these expensive high-powered rigs anymore. People are buying notebooks and smartphones now. So I think though the PC is far from dead right now, its on its way out. Consoles are the way of the future for gaming whether you like it or not.

I've shown that you don't need expensive rigs, and many people are going with budget gaming. Plus considering the PC gaming market grew in 2009 over 2008, it's hard to say that it's "dying".

Why pay 600 bucks for a pc (mine cost WAYYY more then that) when you can just buy a 360 arcade and have the 360's exclusives and most of the pc's major games for 150? It is also true that the pc has only got 2 exclusive shooters within 6 years. The only 'new' games on the pc ARE MMO's.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]roflcopter317

360 wins in the shooter department. From 2005 to 2010 AAA.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=55&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

360= Halo: 3, Halo: Reach (comming soon), Gears 2, Gears 3 (upcomming).

PC= Crysis.

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]04dcarraher

360 wins in the shooter department. From 2005 to 2010 AAA.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=55&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

360= Halo: 3, Halo: Reach (comming soon), Gears 2, Gears 3 (upcomming).

PC= Crysis.

Fear=on 360

Orange box= HL2, ep1, and 2, portal and all.

Stalker clear sky= Single A game

Typical from someone with a Crysis avatar.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]roflcopter317

360 wins in the shooter department. From 2005 to 2010 AAA.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=55&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

360= Halo: 3, Halo: Reach (comming soon), Gears 2, Gears 3 (upcomming).

PC= Crysis.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]roflcopter317

360 wins in the shooter department. From 2005 to 2010 AAA.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=55&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

360= Halo: 3, Halo: Reach (comming soon), Gears 2, Gears 3 (upcomming).

PC= Crysis.

Looky here, I just proved the 360 has more and better shooters. I agree the pc has some good shooters BTW.

I'm curious if in those PC gaming market stats they are including mobile games like iPhone and Android. The way the PC is evolving just seems like its moving away from gaming. Portability seems to be the way everything is going.DFL274

It's hard to determine considering we aren't allowed full access to the reports (you have to be a paying member of the PCGA). The PC gaming revenue grew 3% to 13.1 billion in 2009 over 2008. I believe (IIRC) over 1 billion of it wasd brought in via MMO's such as WoW. Link

Portability is definately an increasing trend, but it's not surprising considering the way hardware advancement has far surpassed software advancement currently -- when was the last time we got a properly demanding PC game?

Either way, if the PC gaming market is actually growing in size, I wouldn't call it dying.

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]roflcopter317

360 wins in the shooter department. From 2005 to 2010 AAA.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=55&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

360= Halo: 3, Halo: Reach (comming soon), Gears 2, Gears 3 (upcomming).

PC= Crysis.

Looky here, I just proved the 360 has more and better shooters.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=0 The PC has a more high scoring exclusives, and more games then the Xbox 360. End of discussion.

Looky here, I just proved the 360 has more and better shooters. I agree the pc has some good shooters BTW.

roflcopter317

Now prove it has more and better exclusives. How'd you guys get onto shooters specifically anyway?

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

360 wins in the shooter department. From 2005 to 2010 AAA.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=55&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

360= Halo: 3, Halo: Reach (comming soon), Gears 2, Gears 3 (upcomming).

PC= Crysis.

WhenCicadasCry

Looky here, I just proved the 360 has more and better shooters.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=0 The PC has a more high scoring exclusives, and more games then the Xbox 360. End of discussion.

That is gamespot. Plus you are meant to compare individualy according to genre.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

360 wins in the shooter department. From 2005 to 2010 AAA.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=xbox360&cat=55&year=0&numrev=3&sort=0&letter=&search=

360= Halo: 3, Halo: Reach (comming soon), Gears 2, Gears 3 (upcomming).

PC= Crysis.

Fear=on 360

Orange box= HL2, ep1, and 2, portal and all.

Stalker clear sky= Single A game

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

[QUOTE="roflcopter317"]

Looky here, I just proved the 360 has more and better shooters.

roflcopter317

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=0 The PC has a more high scoring exclusives, and more games then the Xbox 360. End of discussion.

That is gamespot.

Care to compile a Metacritic spreadsheet that features every PC exclusive vs every 360 exclusive? Be my guest.

[QUOTE="FGMPR"] Modding isn't an advantage because most don't bother? are you serious? how is the option to customize your game to the nth degree, new levels, improved graphics etc not an advantage to people thinking of getting into PC gaming? It doesn't matter if most don't take advantage of it (though I can guarantee you, that modding is HUGE with PC gaming), it's a clear win and an option that you will never have as a console gamer. ...and I still don't know what out of date means? why don't you explain it to me, because PC is still getting more, higher rated exclusive than any console. That is fact, backed up by both numbers and common sense. DFL274

The modding communities on the PC are incomprehensibly huge though. A extra bonus? There are countless mods that can make any game into a completely new one, from the graphics to the story, and so extending the duration of a game's lifespan far beyond its normal one.

Example, Duke Nukem 3D looks like a 2007 game, graphic wise, thanks to its mods. And i guarantee you, its modding communities are huge.