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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]So you're saying it's a preference. Why don't we just exclude the comfort level thing then(obviously if a controller can be hooked up to a PC then the PC is just fine with a couch.) So that leaves the objective points. Better graphics, ability to use whatever controls you'd like, and mods.DragonfireXZ95
And the strongest argument to those things would be preference for the games not available for PCs, including both a couple hundred exclusives between the three consoles consoles and the couple hundred multi-platform games that are excluded from the PC every generation.
Some people would also not find some of the features you bring up overly compelling. Modding for instance, doesn't necessarily appeal to people who tend to play a game and move on, or to people who don't like to proactively seek out and sort through large amounts of content on the internet. If you only have a hour or two to play games after a long day of work and other responsibilities you may not want to spend it in forums pouring over endless reskins and relatively uncompelling material.
Also, using a PC for gaming among the uninitiated can be a considerable investment of time and resources. I maintain PC gaming is a more expensive hobby than console gaming even accounting for cheaper games. On the time front, a long time PC gamer will run into problems that will require google searches to fix at the very least, and they will need to learn to map controller preferences for games that don't natively support their chosen controller. Unless they buy PCs off the shelf, which would be very expensive over time they will need to learn about their hardware in a way console users do not. As they upgrade graphics cards, they may well need to upgrade power supplies, and the first sign of that need for many will likely come in the form of lock-ups, restarts, or blue screens that will send them to the internet. They'll seek out driver solutions and have to learn how to use the device manager. They'll need to learn what a driver is and know to uninstall them before installing new hardware. When they start diving into the large PC back-catalog they'll run into compatibility issues, not all of which will be solved by simple right-click, check box solutions. Repairing hardware is both a huge pro and also sometimes a con compared to consoles. Its nice, quicker in terms of game downtime, and sometimes cheaper (depending on the warranty situation for the individual component) to be able to fix your own problems, but at the same time it once again comes at the cost of an effort of time. There are undoubtedly people, believe it or not, who would be more content upon breakage to send their system off to be repaired and watch movies for a couple weeks rather than spend even a hour or two fixing a machine, so precious is their relaxation time to them, and so onerous the idea of using it to fix anything.
The real reason not to bring up these things though, or to discount the whole comfort thing is it was the basis of this thread. This thread was made by someone that mistook console users bringing up their TV as an advantage as being literally an end to itself, and not reflective of a broader experience, which I have no doubt that it was, as I've seen it brought up many times and always in that context.
Many PC fans seem to struggle with the idea that many people prefer consoles for their simplicity, believing that people believe such things only out of ignorance. I think PC users often forget just how much was learned over time and just how much time they truly spent not gaming over the entire course of an average PC gamers experience with PCs. They don't consider that people truly have no desire to spend even a single solitary minute of their leisure time learning something new just to have a higher resolution for their games. PC fans would do better to argue the merits of the RTS genre, or MMOs, or Simulation games, or P&C Adventure titles, or other areas involving games that console owners just aren't getting. Or perhaps extolling the virtues of the independent game scene or mentioning the many freeware titles, at least those would be more compelling to me if I didn't already game on a PC. What would attract me to PC gaming wouldn't be graphics, it would be the promise of rewarding games I couldn't get elsewhere. I suspect anyone that would be swayed by tech would be people inclined to be PC gamers in the first place.
You can post this huge wall of text if you want, but when you bring up such specific instances(people without that much time, etc.), you're pretty much grasping at straws to try to rule out the options which exist in the first place.
The fact that better graphics, mods and control customization exist cannot be negated. They are there for people to use or not to use. However on a console, I can't do anything, I HAVE to use a proprietary controller either provided by the parent company or a crappier 3rd party controller from Madcatz(or other companies).
Many console fans fail to realize that many people prefer to get out more of what they put into it, whether it be time or money, and PC gaming is one of those fields that definitely is better with the more time and money you put into it.
I'm someone with plenty of time and as a contract devloper, i choose to game on a console, away from my workstation/gaming machine just for these reasons, secondly I do like using a controller, and when you play a game on a PC that doesn't support a specific controller then the buttons loose all context in the game, press [button-16], WTF i have only letters on my buttons... good job at blatently dismissing these arguments when theres quite a bit of truth to it. And because of this a lot of the times people don't get a more rewarding experience out of PC then they do with consoles, I consider those small Google searches a waste of time,Edit: I think mostly PC gamers don't get, PC gaming generally simulate a work enviroment thats just more rewarding then work, mmos are basically the daily grind and you get to pay for them, city builers where you have to manage an economy, strategy games...
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