PC wins. Here's why:

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#151 EdenProxy
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Hate to break to you all but its all baseed on opinion and prefernce.

Not everyone has time to invest research into pc components plus consoles provide larger communities

DragonfireXZ95

better graphics and choice of controls is not an opinion.

Also, larger communities for maybe 2 games. Halo and CoD? Yeah, I think so.

You seem to be unable to understand that perhaps some ppl have other reasons for playing games other then staring at graphics.

Also dont give me this CHOICE of controls crap. There are far to many PC games that dont support a controller to say that a alternative control setup is always and option.

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#152 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="Seiki_sands"]

And the strongest argument to those things would be preference for the games not available for PCs, including both a couple hundred exclusives between the three consoles consoles and the couple hundred multi-platform games that are excluded from the PC every generation.

Some people would also not find some of the features you bring up overly compelling. Modding for instance, doesn't necessarily appeal to people who tend to play a game and move on, or to people who don't like to proactively seek out and sort through large amounts of content on the internet. If you only have a hour or two to play games after a long day of work and other responsibilities you may not want to spend it in forums pouring over endless reskins and relatively uncompelling material.

Also, using a PC for gaming among the uninitiated can be a considerable investment of time and resources. I maintain PC gaming is a more expensive hobby than console gaming even accounting for cheaper games. On the time front, a long time PC gamer will run into problems that will require google searches to fix at the very least, and they will need to learn to map controller preferences for games that don't natively support their chosen controller. Unless they buy PCs off the shelf, which would be very expensive over time they will need to learn about their hardware in a way console users do not. As they upgrade graphics cards, they may well need to upgrade power supplies, and the first sign of that need for many will likely come in the form of lock-ups, restarts, or blue screens that will send them to the internet. They'll seek out driver solutions and have to learn how to use the device manager. They'll need to learn what a driver is and know to uninstall them before installing new hardware. When they start diving into the large PC back-catalog they'll run into compatibility issues, not all of which will be solved by simple right-click, check box solutions. Repairing hardware is both a huge pro and also sometimes a con compared to consoles. Its nice, quicker in terms of game downtime, and sometimes cheaper (depending on the warranty situation for the individual component) to be able to fix your own problems, but at the same time it once again comes at the cost of an effort of time. There are undoubtedly people, believe it or not, who would be more content upon breakage to send their system off to be repaired and watch movies for a couple weeks rather than spend even a hour or two fixing a machine, so precious is their relaxation time to them, and so onerous the idea of using it to fix anything.

The real reason not to bring up these things though, or to discount the whole comfort thing is it was the basis of this thread. This thread was made by someone that mistook console users bringing up their TV as an advantage as being literally an end to itself, and not reflective of a broader experience, which I have no doubt that it was, as I've seen it brought up many times and always in that context.

Many PC fans seem to struggle with the idea that many people prefer consoles for their simplicity, believing that people believe such things only out of ignorance. I think PC users often forget just how much was learned over time and just how much time they truly spent not gaming over the entire course of an average PC gamers experience with PCs. They don't consider that people truly have no desire to spend even a single solitary minute of their leisure time learning something new just to have a higher resolution for their games. PC fans would do better to argue the merits of the RTS genre, or MMOs, or Simulation games, or P&C Adventure titles, or other areas involving games that console owners just aren't getting. Or perhaps extolling the virtues of the independent game scene or mentioning the many freeware titles, at least those would be more compelling to me if I didn't already game on a PC. What would attract me to PC gaming wouldn't be graphics, it would be the promise of rewarding games I couldn't get elsewhere. I suspect anyone that would be swayed by tech would be people inclined to be PC gamers in the first place.

savagetwinkie

You can post this huge wall of text if you want, but when you bring up such specific instances(people without that much time, etc.), you're pretty much grasping at straws to try to rule out the options which exist in the first place.

The fact that better graphics, mods and control customization exist cannot be negated. They are there for people to use or not to use. However on a console, I can't do anything, I HAVE to use a proprietary controller either provided by the parent company or a crappier 3rd party controller from Madcatz(or other companies).

Many console fans fail to realize that many people prefer to get out more of what they put into it, whether it be time or money, and PC gaming is one of those fields that definitely is better with the more time and money you put into it.

I'm someone with plenty of time and as a contract devloper, i choose to game on a console, away from my workstation/gaming machine just for these reasons, secondly I do like using a controller, and when you play a game on a PC that doesn't support a specific controller then the buttons loose all context in the game, press [button-16], WTF i have only letters on my buttons... good job at blatently dismissing these arguments when theres quite a bit of truth to it. And because of this a lot of the times people don't get a more rewarding experience out of PC then they do with consoles, I consider those small Google searches a waste of time,

Edit: I think mostly PC gamers don't get, PC gaming generally simulate a work enviroment thats just more rewarding then work, mmos are basically the daily grind and you get to pay for them, city builers where you have to manage an economy, strategy games...

You pretty much just ignored the bulk of my post. Congrats.
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#153 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

[QUOTE="EdenProxy"]

Hate to break to you all but its all baseed on opinion and prefernce.

Not everyone has time to invest research into pc components plus consoles provide larger communities

EdenProxy

better graphics and choice of controls is not an opinion.

Also, larger communities for maybe 2 games. Halo and CoD? Yeah, I think so.

You seem to be unable to understand that perhaps some ppl have other reasons for playing games other then staring at graphics.

Also dont give me this CHOICE of controls crap. There are far to many PC games that dont support a controller to say that a alternative control setup is always and option.

That's because there's a huge catalog of PC games. However, here is a free controller keybinderthat's very easy to use.

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#154 C_Rule
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How can you sit so close to a 55" screen? I honestly don't see how people can use large screens as their primary monitor, anything over 30" is too big.
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#155 Omnisystem
Member since 2007 • 613 Posts

[QUOTE="metal_zombie"]

[QUOTE="Omnisystem"]

PC:

i7 920 @ 4.2GHz

GTX 580

3-WAY SLI x58 MB

1000W PSU

6GB Dominator GT RAM

G19 KB / x8 Sidewinder Mouse

PS: I can't wait for Witcher 2!

mitu123

why do you need 3 way sli?

2560x1600 res.

To SLI later on instead of buying a new console, I can buy a much cheaper card (gets cheaper by then) and get much more performance.

That can't be a 55 inch screen. Looks more like 40.......karasill

Look at pictures I posted on page 6...this will prevent you from looking like a you know what.

Thats not 55 inch TV , here is my setup and i have a 46" Bravia and the rig is a Full Tower XCLIO case. This is from my first apartment, it looks different now and i got it hooked up to a monitor now anyways with a nice desk, i just couldnt play on a coffe table anymore almost always using the 360 controller and chilling on the couch most of the time. But now with a nice LED monitor and pretty sick desk i love it even more. Been PC gamer since 1996.

telefanatic

That is one old TV with HUGE borders. Now take a second look at mine and look at pictures on page 6 so you can see that it in fact is a 55" 3D tv.

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[QUOTE="Omnisystem"]

[QUOTE="Seiki_sands"]

Who's to say? The consolites that bring it up are to say, that's who. They are expressing a preference for a certain type of experience. You apparently think that can be disproved as if it is a scientific question answerable with proof and demonstrations. It is not.

DragonfireXZ95

Something as simple as sitting in a chair or couch while gaming and being being comfortable can certainly be scientifically looked at in a study. This isn't scientists trying to see whether god exists or not. I don't see why you would think its not testable.

A person's comfort level can be petitioned in a scientific survey, but you can't seriously believe science can tell you the circumstances under which you will be ideally comfortable playing a video game.

Science can tell you sleeping on a bed of nails is bad for your back, and sleeping on that NASA memory stuff is much better for you. However, if science attempted to say you'll be more comfortable on memory foam than a bed of nails, science clearly isn't taking the masochist into consideration and is full of crap. A level of comfort includes emotional responses to your surroundings and no, science cannot decide such things on your behalf.

So you're saying it's a preference. Why don't we just exclude the comfort level thing then(obviously if a controller can be hooked up to a PC then the PC is just fine with a couch.) So that leaves the objective points. Better graphics, ability to use whatever controls you'd like, and mods.

Could not have said it better myself. People always talk about not being able to play fighting games on PCs. What about you not being able to play RTS games on consoles? Can you imagine pulling 300+ apm in SCII on a controller?

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#156 clone01
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Could not have said it better myself. People always talk about not being able to play fighting games on PCs. What about you not being able to play RTS games on consoles? Can you imagine pulling 300+ apm in SCII on a controller?

Omnisystem

Sure. Then again, I just don't care. A lot of it is just personal preference.

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#157 telefanatic
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="metal_zombie"]

A person's comfort level can be petitioned in a scientific survey, but you can't seriously believe science can tell you the circumstances under which you will be ideally comfortable playing a video game.

Science can tell you sleeping on a bed of nails is bad for your back, and sleeping on that NASA memory stuff is much better for you. However, if science attempted to say you'll be more comfortable on memory foam than a bed of nails, science clearly isn't taking the masochist into consideration and is full of crap. A level of comfort includes emotional responses to your surroundings and no, science cannot decide such things on your behalf.

Omnisystem

So you're saying it's a preference. Why don't we just exclude the comfort level thing then(obviously if a controller can be hooked up to a PC then the PC is just fine with a couch.) So that leaves the objective points. Better graphics, ability to use whatever controls you'd like, and mods.

Could not have said it better myself. People always talk about not being able to play fighting games on PCs. What about you not being able to play RTS games on consoles? Can you imagine pulling 300+ apm in SCII on a controller?

1 Year old TV , is ONE OLD TV i guess lol. Also i can use glasses too its 120hz.

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#158 hypoty
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PC doesn't win because of that, it wins because of massive amounts of awesome exclusives and mods.

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#159 Decrate
Member since 2004 • 1731 Posts

i'd say it wins because of games like diablo 3, swtor, witcher 2, etc coming out

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#160 pelvist
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[QUOTE="pelvist"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] You, on the topic of jealousy. If you have specific posters in mind, let's see some irrefutable evidence. Otherwise, stick to arguments based on solid facts instead of ridiculous aspersions.lowe0

Oh ok, Since your playing the old fact game now where are your facts that there arent any jealous consolites then? Lets see those facts then clever clogs, instead of getting all defensive and posting fail comments in reply to something that "apparently" doesnt include you... :roll

You're the one who made the assertion that we're jealous. I'm simply asking for some proof, or in its absence, that you try arguing about the platform instead of the people gaming on it. Is that too much to ask?

Once again, I never said OR asserted that you where jealous at all, theres a fact for you right there. Stop being a big kid and crying about it. if it doesnt make you jealous then why are you but hurt about a comment that never mentioned you in the first place? Actually, dont bother to answer, im done with you now, because I have no doubt that you will have another defensive and immature reply, so ill leave you with some friendly advice and something to mention in your immature comeback that I likely wont even read ...grow up!

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#161 dakan45
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Actually, your wallet "wins"
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#162 gamebreakerz__
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Cool story bro, nobody on system wars knew it was possible to hook up a computer to a TV. Clear out everyone the system war is over :roll: Games are the most important thing on any system, and the PS3's lineup this year is outstanding.
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#163 CB4McGusto
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I can buy a PS360wii, home theater system and a 46" LED 3Dtv w/ 3D glasses for 1/5 the price you spent on your led, launch ps3 and uber rig and play more quality games. So...............................
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#164 lespaul1919
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actually now that xim3 is out.........consoles win. pc controls on systems that cost as much as a video card. win win win win win.

plus games you can't play on pc.

killzone 3 m/kb >>> move/duals

reach m/kb >>> duals

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#165 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

You can post this huge wall of text if you want, but when you bring up such specific instances(people without that much time, etc.), you're pretty much grasping at straws to try to rule out the options which exist in the first place.

The fact that better graphics, mods and control customization exist cannot be negated. They are there for people to use or not to use. However on a console, I can't do anything, I HAVE to use a proprietary controller either provided by the parent company or a crappier 3rd party controller from Madcatz(or other companies).

Many console fans fail to realize that many people prefer to get out more of what they put into it, whether it be time or money, and PC gaming is one of those fields that definitely is better with the more time and money you put into it.

DragonfireXZ95

I'm someone with plenty of time and as a contract devloper, i choose to game on a console, away from my workstation/gaming machine just for these reasons, secondly I do like using a controller, and when you play a game on a PC that doesn't support a specific controller then the buttons loose all context in the game, press [button-16], WTF i have only letters on my buttons... good job at blatently dismissing these arguments when theres quite a bit of truth to it. And because of this a lot of the times people don't get a more rewarding experience out of PC then they do with consoles, I consider those small Google searches a waste of time,

Edit: I think mostly PC gamers don't get, PC gaming generally simulate a work enviroment thats just more rewarding then work, mmos are basically the daily grind and you get to pay for them, city builers where you have to manage an economy, strategy games...

You pretty much just ignored the bulk of my post. Congrats.

no i didn't, you put more into PC gaming you don't always get more out of it, the only things you really get out of PC gaming is mods and resolution, but not everyone sees them as worth it, so time and effort doesn't soley apply to PC games, in fact I've had far more console games that if i applied more time to i got more out of it, 9/10 times applying more time to PC is mandatory to fix things...