[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="steve17989"]If the game was inferior to the level of Pac Man 1982 as opposed to Uncharted, fine. But c'mon, put down the boxing gloves, the game is not going to look that inferior that you couldn't enjoy it. i dont think it will be that bad, but ppl hype this like crazy, and you get some radical fanboy who thinks the 360 will be able to match current gen PC hardware -Quad Core i7 -3GB+ ram (very fast) -DirectX10 features -etc.Yeah fanboys don't wear goggles anymore, their plain blind. I always game on consoles(just enjoy it that way) but I have never had any delusions concerning the power superiority of the PC. I can understand hyping the game since it won't be on PS3, as that seems to be MS' primary target, but of course the PC version will have advantages.That's a fine excuse for people who want the inferior 360 version.
gamer7890
PC=/=360 (alan wake related)
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[QUOTE="gamer7890"][QUOTE="cainetao11"]If the game was inferior to the level of Pac Man 1982 as opposed to Uncharted, fine. But c'mon, put down the boxing gloves, the game is not going to look that inferior that you couldn't enjoy it. cainetao11i dont think it will be that bad, but ppl hype this like crazy, and you get some radical fanboy who thinks the 360 will be able to match current gen PC hardware -Quad Core i7 -3GB+ ram (very fast) -DirectX10 features -etc.Yeah fanboys don't wear goggles anymore, their plain blind. I always game on consoles(just enjoy it that way) but I have never had any delusions concerning the power superiority of the PC. I can understand hyping the game since it won't be on PS3, as that seems to be MS' primary target, but of course the PC version will have advantages. Bingo! after reading some of the fanboyish comments in this thread a part of me has died :P
[QUOTE="crazy-player"][QUOTE="gamer7890"] the PC running ALAN WAKE was a super computer, the 360 cant run Crysis /owned and for the love of god PC is MUCH MORE POWERFUL than 360gamer7890Yeah because a computer with a 7900GTX is a super computer... right. graphics isnt everything... CPU buddy Yeah right....most games this gen can run on a single core, as long as the GPU and memory is up to speed.
[QUOTE="gamer7890"][QUOTE="crazy-player"] Yeah because a computer with a 7900GTX is a super computer... right.Martin_G_Ngraphics isnt everything... CPU buddy Yeah right....most games this gen can run on a single core, as long as the GPU and memory is up to speed. no... lol look at PS3, u think KZ2 could run on the 7900GTX alone? graphicson CPU is the new thing, ever heard of the Larrabee? 32core GPGPU. the additional cores make a huge difference, Larrabee can run realtime raytracing at a high FPS (around 70FPS if im not mistaken)... so please dont say CPU is nothing...
The gameplay won't be different but the graphics all depend on how good you PC is. -Master_St3ve-quad core allows for more physics/lighting/etc. so there will be some diffrences there too, that may affect gameplay, but otherwise i wouldnt see how they would be so diffrent gameplaywise.
obamanian, there is just one thing wrong with your entire series of posts.
Those are old comments.
They have been prodded on their forums about it NOW, and they absolutely refuse to repeat what they said before.
They basically say that the PC version now looks better than the console version but the "Console version doesn't look bad by any stretch of the imagination"
The most common quote is "I played the 360 version earlier today and it is looking good." But they aren't pretending that the 360 version will match the PC version.
And if you freaking argue with me I will destroy you. I know more about Alan Wake than 99% of the people on this forum. And certainly more than you who simply regurgitates quotes from 2006.
obamanian, there is just one thing wrong with your entire series of posts.
Those are old comments.
They have been prodded on their forums about it NOW, and they absolutely refuse to repeat what they said before.
They basically say that the PC version now looks better than the console version but the "Console version doesn't look bad by any stretch of the imagination"
The most common quote is "I played the 360 version earlier today and it is looking good." But they aren't pretending that the 360 version will match the PC version.
And if you freaking argue with my I will destroy you. I know more about Alan Wake than 99% of the people on this forum. And certainly more than you who simply regurgitates quotes from 2006.
lol if it was ne1 else on SW id say that was harsh... but nice....ownage approvedlol if it was ne1 else on SW id say that was harsh... but nice....ownage approvedgamer7890
I have a good rep or something?
The whole reason I made that comment at the end was because his breed of fanboy WILL argue with me. And I honestly don't feel like digging up 10-15 quotes from Remedy employees on their forums where they are absolutely refusing to directly answer the question of "Will the 360 version match the PC version?"
Because that has been asked a lot on their forums. A WHOLE LOT. Most of the time they don't respond to the threads, but the times they have, they simply skirt around the question and give answers that aren't directly providing a yes or a no... They say "the 360 version doesn't look bad" or "I played the 360 version today and it looks good" or "we feel good about how far we are pushing the 360 version." But NEVER(in the past year) have they said "Yes, it matches the PC version. Or even "yes, it is close to the PC version." They simply refuse to say that. What does that imply? Well... you tell me.
[QUOTE="gamer7890"]lol if it was ne1 else on SW id say that was harsh... but nice....ownage approvedhorrowhip
I have a good rep or something?
The whole reason I made that comment at the end was because his breed of fanboy WILL argue with me. And I honestly don't feel like digging up 10-15 quotes from Remedy employees on their forums where they are absolutely refusing to directly answer the question of "Will the 360 version match the PC version?"
Because that has been asked a lot on their forums. A WHOLE LOT. Most of the time they don't respond to the threads, but the times they have, they simply skirt around the question and give answers that aren't directly providing a yes or a no... They say "the 360 version doesn't look bad" or "I played the 360 version today and it looks good" or "we feel good about how far we are pushing the 360 version." But NEVER(in the past year) have they said "Yes, it matches the PC version. Or even "yes, it is close to the PC version." They simply refuse to say that. What does that imply? Well... you tell me.
lmfao "his breed of fanboy" ...But yeah i get what you mean though, old quotes mean nothing with no backing, and to be honest with the new PC tech consoles are just getting farther away.
[QUOTE="obamanian"]I would hardly call DX9, no AA, much lower FPS, lower draw distance and most likely 720P or lower resolution 99% equal.So, 360 will be 99% equal to PC
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McJugga
On a 720p TV will look 99% equal, as all PC/360 games do, even the not ground up made ones
The game will be 30fps, which is fine, 720p is fine as well, the difference will be minimal, especially since 360 is the base platform
Also i gave a crapload of links confirming this is the case, i know some PS3 and PC people here can't handle it as it seems, but that is the truth
Anything else, about how "crap" the 360 will look comparing is pure ill willed speculation, in a desparate attempt to bash 360 and troll obviously
the PC running ALAN WAKE was a super computer, the 360 cant run Crysis /owned and for the love of god PC is MUCH MORE POWERFUL than 360[QUOTE="gamer7890"][QUOTE="ImOldGreg"]Pwned in the first post...I cant...THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL!! :Oobamanian
More lies ?
I just gave you a link that says it was a 7900GTX, not some "super PC", it was a totally subpar PC for todays standards actually
the 7900gtx is way better than the 360. 7900gtx > >>7800gtx >> 8600gt > hd2600 >>>>>x360 x360 struggles to run cod4 on medium settings even with the sub hd resolution of 600p while a 7900gtx has no problem with 1280 x 10204 on high settings.[QUOTE="McJugga"][QUOTE="obamanian"]I would hardly call DX9, no AA, much lower FPS, lower draw distance and most likely 720P or lower resolution 99% equal.So, 360 will be 99% equal to PC
/thread
obamanian
On a 720p TV will look 99% equal, as all PC/360 games do, even the not ground up made ones
The game will be 30fps, which is fine, 720p is fine as well, the difference will be minimal, especially since 360 is the base platform
Also i gave a crapload of links confirming this is the case, i know some PS3 and PC people here can't handle it as it seems, but that is the truth
Anything else, about how "crap" the 360 will look comparing is pure ill willed speculation, in a desparate attempt to bash 360 and troll obviously
No it will not look equal, you noticed the deference between 480p and 720p ? it's as big as 1280X720 to 1660X1050 ( the average PC gamer resolution ) but it's kinda sad that the PC version will use the same tex and models the xbox version have, but good for ppl who have GT260 or better, the game will look great with 8xAA - 16AF and 80+ fps:Dthe 360 can run directx 10 routines, you failFirst of all ALAN WAKE game footage is DIRECT X10, something that the 360 does not use. ALAN WAKE footage that has been shown is running DX10 on one of the most powerful PCs in the world (dont believe me? go watch the 1st alan wake tech demo) So please stop posting and claiming that the 360 will be able to do that, because it WILL NOT. ALAN WAKE has not even been shown off on the 360 yet, so no more crazy graphic claims please.
PS: dont post PC footage for any game and claim its 360s, because thats just annoying
gamer7890
[QUOTE="obamanian"][QUOTE="gamer7890"] the PC running ALAN WAKE was a super computer, the 360 cant run Crysis /owned and for the love of god PC is MUCH MORE POWERFUL than 360imprezawrx500
More lies ?
I just gave you a link that says it was a 7900GTX, not some "super PC", it was a totally subpar PC for todays standards actually
the 7900gtx is way better than the 360. 7900gtx > >>7800gtx >> 8600gt > hd2600 >>>>>x360 x360 struggles to run cod4 on medium settings even with the sub hd resolution of 600p while a 7900gtx has no problem with 1280 x 10204 on high settings.what a load of rubbish, firstly ATI stated you can't compare the xenos to any graphics card on the market, it uses it's own language that is NOT pc based cos the cpu in the 360 is based on apple G4 architecture, the xenos can also run some dx10 routines, and my 360 never struggles running cod4, i have never had any franerate issues, pop in or any other graphical errors.fair enough ALAN WAKE may not look as good as a PC on top end but please stop talking rubbish, the 360 not being able to run crysis has nothing to do with the GPU its a memory limitation issue, you need 1 gb of memory to run crysis 360 only has 512mb.
[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="obamanian"]the 7900gtx is way better than the 360. 7900gtx > >>7800gtx >> 8600gt > hd2600 >>>>>x360 x360 struggles to run cod4 on medium settings even with the sub hd resolution of 600p while a 7900gtx has no problem with 1280 x 10204 on high settings.what a load of rubbish, firstly ATI stated you can't compare the xenos to any graphics card on the market, it uses it's own language that is NOT pc based cos the cpu in the 360 is based on apple G4 architecture, the xenos can also run some dx10 routines, and my 360 never struggles running cod4, i have never had any franerate issues, pop in or any other graphical errors.fair enough ALAN WAKE may not look as good as a PC on top end but please stop talking rubbish, the 360 not being able to run crysis has nothing to do with the GPU its a memory limitation issue, you need 1 gb of memory to run crysis 360 only has 512mb. There is so much wrong in your post it is unreal.Or wait its "rubbish"More lies ?
I just gave you a link that says it was a 7900GTX, not some "super PC", it was a totally subpar PC for todays standards actually
delta3074
[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] the 7900gtx is way better than the 360. 7900gtx > >>7800gtx >> 8600gt > hd2600 >>>>>x360 x360 struggles to run cod4 on medium settings even with the sub hd resolution of 600p while a 7900gtx has no problem with 1280 x 10204 on high settings.millerlight89what a load of rubbish, firstly ATI stated you can't compare the xenos to any graphics card on the market, it uses it's own language that is NOT pc based cos the cpu in the 360 is based on apple G4 architecture, the xenos can also run some dx10 routines, and my 360 never struggles running cod4, i have never had any franerate issues, pop in or any other graphical errors.fair enough ALAN WAKE may not look as good as a PC on top end but please stop talking rubbish, the 360 not being able to run crysis has nothing to do with the GPU its a memory limitation issue, you need 1 gb of memory to run crysis 360 only has 512mb. There is so much wrong in your post it is unreal.Or wait its "rubbish"really? prove me wrong.
[QUOTE="obamanian"][QUOTE="gamer7890"] the PC running ALAN WAKE was a super computer, the 360 cant run Crysis /owned and for the love of god PC is MUCH MORE POWERFUL than 360imprezawrx500
More lies ?
I just gave you a link that says it was a 7900GTX, not some "super PC", it was a totally subpar PC for todays standards actually
the 7900gtx is way better than the 360. 7900gtx > >>7800gtx >> 8600gt > hd2600 >>>>>x360 x360 struggles to run cod4 on medium settings even with the sub hd resolution of 600p while a 7900gtx has no problem with 1280 x 10204 on high settings.Actually Xenos >>>>>> 7900GTX
7900 series is a DX9 card, Xenos is based on DX10 ATI cards prototype, so it can easilly handle some DX10 effects, IF they have DX10 specific effects
The xbox 360 has a gpu equal to the xt1900xt my at with 128bit interface. Also the consoles version of cod4 is running on med to high specs. Also the ram limitations really have nothing to do with crysis not running on the 360 because the 360 does not need anywhere near the ram of a PC do to the OS of a pc and countless other tasks running in the background.millerlight897900 does not have usa, unified shader architecture did not appear in nvidia cards until the 8800, the 360 also uses smart 3d memory (10mb) and i'm not sure what shader model the 7900 uses but i know the xenos is shader 3.0, and trust me it CAN run dx10 routines.
The xbox 360 has a gpu equal to the xt1900xt my at with 128bit interface. Also the consoles version of cod4 is running on med to high specs. Also the ram limitations really have nothing to do with crysis not running on the 360 because the 360 does not need anywhere near the ram of a PC do to the OS of a pc and countless other tasks running in the background.millerlight89the xt 1900xt has similar performance to an nvidia 7800sli and it has already been proven that the xenos has greater performance than a 7800, the RSX in the ps3 is based on the 7800 and it's a well known fact that the xenos gpu is way better than the RSX, and according to neoseeker the xt1900 can't match a 7900 gt, plus it does not have unified shader architecture like the xenos
[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="obamanian"]the 7900gtx is way better than the 360. 7900gtx > >>7800gtx >> 8600gt > hd2600 >>>>>x360 x360 struggles to run cod4 on medium settings even with the sub hd resolution of 600p while a 7900gtx has no problem with 1280 x 10204 on high settings.More lies ?
I just gave you a link that says it was a 7900GTX, not some "super PC", it was a totally subpar PC for todays standards actually
obamanian
Actually Xenos >>>>>> 7900GTX
7900 series is a DX9 card, Xenos is based on DX10 ATI cards prototype, so it can easilly handle some DX10 effects, IF they have DX10 specific effects
You do know a high end Dx9 card is better then a low end Dx10 card right?
[QUOTE="millerlight89"]The xbox 360 has a gpu equal to the xt1900xt my at with 128bit interface. Also the consoles version of cod4 is running on med to high specs. Also the ram limitations really have nothing to do with crysis not running on the 360 because the 360 does not need anywhere near the ram of a PC do to the OS of a pc and countless other tasks running in the background.delta30747900 does not have usa, unified shader architecture did not appear in nvidia cards until the 8800, the 360 also uses smart 3d memory (10mb) and i'm not sure what shader model the 7900 uses but i know the xenos is shader 3.0, and trust me it CAN run dx10 routines.
7900 uses shadder 3.0 too...
http://www.nvidia.com/object/7_series_techspecs.html
[QUOTE="millerlight89"]The xbox 360 has a gpu equal to the xt1900xt my at with 128bit interface. Also the consoles version of cod4 is running on med to high specs. Also the ram limitations really have nothing to do with crysis not running on the 360 because the 360 does not need anywhere near the ram of a PC do to the OS of a pc and countless other tasks running in the background.delta3074the xt 1900xt has similar performance to an nvidia 7800sli and it has already been proven that the xenos has greater performance than a 7800, the RSX in the ps3 is based on the 7800 and it's a well known fact that the xenos gpu is way better than the RSX, and according to neoseeker the xt1900 can't match a 7900 gt, plus it does not have unified shader architecture like the xenos
You're talking about 7800GTX?
Because a 7800SLI makes no sense... making me beleive you have no idea what you're saying.
[QUOTE="obamanian"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]the 7900gtx is way better than the 360. 7900gtx > >>7800gtx >> 8600gt > hd2600 >>>>>x360 x360 struggles to run cod4 on medium settings even with the sub hd resolution of 600p while a 7900gtx has no problem with 1280 x 10204 on high settings.Bebi_vegeta
Actually Xenos >>>>>> 7900GTX
7900 series is a DX9 card, Xenos is based on DX10 ATI cards prototype, so it can easilly handle some DX10 effects, IF they have DX10 specific effects
You do know a high end Dx9 card is better then a low end Dx10 card right?
And a mid-high DX10 prototype is way better than a mid-high DX9 card
With the unified shaders they have reported utilization of near 90-100% of the GPU, than 50-60% in DX9 cards case
Sorry, but 360 has a mid-high end card, not a low end one and has features that PC cards do not have, like the EDRAM and special feature like MEMEXPORT to the CPU and unified RAM
In short 360 architecture in general is vastly different than a PC one, and can't be compared in the slightest
BTW i have a 8400 on my PC, and i know first hand that this card is pure garbage, it would run Gears 2 in 5fps probably, so xbox 360 GPU is vastly ahead of any low end PC card and has limited DX10 functionality and its own tricks on top and its shader path is far beyond Shader Model 3.0 too, it is something between SM3.0 and SM4.0 in specs
[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="obamanian"]Actually Xenos >>>>>> 7900GTX
7900 series is a DX9 card, Xenos is based on DX10 ATI cards prototype, so it can easilly handle some DX10 effects, IF they have DX10 specific effects
obamanian
You do know a high end Dx9 card is better then a low end Dx10 card right?
And a mid-high DX10 prototype is way better than a mid-high DX9 card
With the unified shaders they have reported utilization of near 90-100% of the GPU, than 50-60% in DX9 cards case
Sorry, but 360 has a mid-high end card, not a low end one and has features that PC cards do not have, like the EDRAM and special feature like MEMEXPORT to the CPU and unified RAM
In short 360 architecture in general is vastly different than a PC one, and can't be compared in the slightest
The probleme is.. you have a prototype Dx10. So it only does a few Dx10 features... While a single 8800GT has full features of Dx10 and performance better.
You can only compare with 2-3years PC tech...
Today's PC have easily surpassed console performance. So saying it will look like 99% of PC version is a joke at best. Every multiplat looked better on PC... GTA4 is a great example of latest games that show the difference in visual power.
the xt 1900xt has similar performance to an nvidia 7800sli and it has already been proven that the xenos has greater performance than a 7800, the RSX in the ps3 is based on the 7800 and it's a well known fact that the xenos gpu is way better than the RSX, and according to neoseeker the xt1900 can't match a 7900 gt, plus it does not have unified shader architecture like the xenos[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="millerlight89"]The xbox 360 has a gpu equal to the xt1900xt my at with 128bit interface. Also the consoles version of cod4 is running on med to high specs. Also the ram limitations really have nothing to do with crysis not running on the 360 because the 360 does not need anywhere near the ram of a PC do to the OS of a pc and countless other tasks running in the background.Bebi_vegeta
You're talking about 7800GTX?
Because a 7800SLI makes no sense... making me beleive you have no idea what you're saying.
you are right,my bad i didn't even realise i had put sli, thanks for pointing out my mistake[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="obamanian"]Actually Xenos >>>>>> 7900GTX
7900 series is a DX9 card, Xenos is based on DX10 ATI cards prototype, so it can easilly handle some DX10 effects, IF they have DX10 specific effects
obamanian
You do know a high end Dx9 card is better then a low end Dx10 card right?
BTW i have a 8400 on my PC, and i know first hand that this card is pure garbage, it would run Gears 2 in 5fps probably, so xbox 360 GPU is vastly ahead of any low end PC card and has limited DX10 functionality and its own tricks on top and its shader path is far beyond Shader Model 3.0 too, it is something between SM3.0 and SM4.0 in specs
You are just proving what I said... a high end video card previous generation is better then a low end this generation. Any 8*** series card have Dx10 and Shadder model 4.0 .
I used to dislike saolin, but, his current identity of obamaian is great! Also, he makes valid points now! Andrew_Xavier
Oh so that's him...
Well valid points... it's hardly valid. He got destroyed claming Fable 2 was better then Crysis I beleive. And now, saying Alan Wake will look like identical X360 to PC... is not valid at all.
[QUOTE="obamanian"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]You do know a high end Dx9 card is better then a low end Dx10 card right?
Bebi_vegeta
And a mid-high DX10 prototype is way better than a mid-high DX9 card
With the unified shaders they have reported utilization of near 90-100% of the GPU, than 50-60% in DX9 cards case
Sorry, but 360 has a mid-high end card, not a low end one and has features that PC cards do not have, like the EDRAM and special feature like MEMEXPORT to the CPU and unified RAM
In short 360 architecture in general is vastly different than a PC one, and can't be compared in the slightest
The probleme is.. you have a prototype Dx10. So it only does a few Dx10 features... While a single 8800GT has full features of Dx10 and performance better.
You can only compare with 2-3years PC tech...
Today's PC have easily surpassed console performance. So saying it will look like 99% of PC version is a joke at best. Every multiplat looked better on PC... GTA4 is a great example of latest games that show the difference in visual power.
It will look 99% same, that is a given, it may run higher AA, resolutions and frame rates on PC, but on 360 will look about same in 30fps and 720p, the difference on a 720p HDTV will be minimal, maybe in a 1080p panel would be a bit more noticable, but still small
How many games you think really utimize a 8800GTX fully today ? Crysis is one, and none other, that is the reality, you may try to compare Xenos to a 8800GTX but in reality you should just compare games, since no developer makes games only for 8800GTX, the extra power only helps in better frame rates and resolutions today, and very few games are scalable and take really advantage of that hardware, for example few PC games looks as good as Fable 2, Gears 2, banjo 3 etc, in fact no PC RPG looks anyhwere close to Fable 2
Same for Alan Wake, it is made with 360 in mind, and with a 8800GTX will gain better AA, resolutions, frame rates and LOD distance, but that is as far as it goes, will look a bit better on PC, that is all you get from such games
[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]I used to dislike saolin, but, his current identity of obamaian is great! Also, he makes valid points now! Bebi_vegeta
Oh so that's him...
Well valid points... it's hardly valid. He got destroyed claming Fable 2 was better then Crysis I beleive. And now, saying Alan Wake will look like identical X360 to PC... is not valid at all.
It is 100% valid, since the developers have confirmed so 10 times now, it is definatly more valid than your desire to bash 360 and suggest 360 version will look mediocre, like games on 360 look mediuocre in the first place !!! You have obviosuly not seen Fable 2, Gears 2, Mass Effect, Banjo 3, Kameo etc
PC people said the exact same things about Oblivion, and run fine on 360, then about Mass Effect, that supposdly the PC version will look 10000x better somehow, and yet it did not, they look 99.99% similar on my 720p HDTV
[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="obamanian"]And a mid-high DX10 prototype is way better than a mid-high DX9 card
With the unified shaders they have reported utilization of near 90-100% of the GPU, than 50-60% in DX9 cards case
Sorry, but 360 has a mid-high end card, not a low end one and has features that PC cards do not have, like the EDRAM and special feature like MEMEXPORT to the CPU and unified RAM
In short 360 architecture in general is vastly different than a PC one, and can't be compared in the slightest
obamanian
The probleme is.. you have a prototype Dx10. So it only does a few Dx10 features... While a single 8800GT has full features of Dx10 and performance better.
You can only compare with 2-3years PC tech...
Today's PC have easily surpassed console performance. So saying it will look like 99% of PC version is a joke at best. Every multiplat looked better on PC... GTA4 is a great example of latest games that show the difference in visual power.
It will look 99% same, that is a given, it may run higher AA, resolutions and frame rates on PC, but on 360 will look about same in 30fps and 720p, the difference on a 720p HDTV will be minimal, maybe in a 1080p panel would be a bit more noticable, but still small
How many games you think really utimize a 8800GTX fully today ? Crysis is one, and none other, that is the reality, you may try to compare Xenos to a 8800GTX but in reality you should just compare games, since no developer makes games only for 8800GTX, the extra power only helps in better frame rates and resolutions today, and very few games are scalable and take really advantage of that hardware, for example few PC games looks as good as Fable 2, Gears 2, banjo 3 etc, in fact no PC RPG looks anyhwere close to Fable 2
Same for Alan Wake, it is made with 360 in mind, and with a 8800GTX will gain better AA, resolutions, frame rates and LOD distance, but that is as far as it goes, will look a bit better on PC, that is all you get from such games
BTW, I said a 8800GT... also, forgot to mention, they have PhysiX which console don't have.
Better resolution, image filtering, frames per second, textures, draw distance... you name it. And even if you have a 1080p, this game won't be native 1080p for consoles. Also, mod add-ons... just like Crysis.
You haven't played Stalker : Clear Sky? And not to mention every other multiplate games that I want to play full settings including Dx10 @ 1200p will 16xAA or more.
It will look better, just like GTA4 does. Every multiplate have provent to run and look better on PC... there's nothing to argue here... it's proven.
There's a reason why COD4 or Halo 3 is lower then 720p natively...
[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]I used to dislike saolin, but, his current identity of obamaian is great! Also, he makes valid points now! obamanian
Oh so that's him...
Well valid points... it's hardly valid. He got destroyed claming Fable 2 was better then Crysis I beleive. And now, saying Alan Wake will look like identical X360 to PC... is not valid at all.
It is 100% valid, since the developers have confirmed so 10 times now, it is definatly more valid than your desire to bash 360 and suggest 360 version will look mediocre, like games on 360 look mediuocre in the first place !!! You have obviosuly not seen Fable 2, Gears 2, Mass Effect, Banjo 3, Kameo etc
PC people said the exact same things about Oblivion, and run fine on 360, then about Mass Effect, that supposdly the PC version will look 10000x better somehow, and yet it did not, they look 99.99% similar on my 720p HDTV
I never said X360 games look mediocre... I said they look better on PC. I've seen most of the game you mentionned...I've still seen better games on PC or better multiplate on PC.
BTW, I said a 8800GT... also, forgot to mention, they have PhysiX which console don't have.Better resolution, image filtering, frames per second, textures, draw distance... you name it. And even if you have a 1080p, this game won't be native 1080p for consoles. Also, mod add-ons... just like Crysis.
You haven't played Stalker : Clear Sky? And not to mention every other multiplate games that I want to play full settings including Dx10 @ 1200p will 16xAA or more.
It will look better, just like GTA4 does. Every multiplate have provent to run and look better on PC... there's nothing to argue here... it's proven.
There's a reason why COD4 or Halo 3 is lower then 720p natively...
Bebi_vegeta
As i said, yes, will look better on PC, but the difference on my 720p HDTV will be minimal, that is all
In short, who cares for such tiny difference ?
As for Clear Sky, please do not even bring up that game, it may have got some impressive textures, shaders and nicer lighting than its old gen version, but everything else screms last gen, like the foliage the modeling, polygon counts etc
[QUOTE="millerlight89"]The xbox 360 has a gpu equal to the xt1900xt my at with 128bit interface. Also the consoles version of cod4 is running on med to high specs. Also the ram limitations really have nothing to do with crysis not running on the 360 because the 360 does not need anywhere near the ram of a PC do to the OS of a pc and countless other tasks running in the background.delta3074the xt 1900xt has similar performance to an nvidia 7800sli and it has already been proven that the xenos has greater performance than a 7800, the RSX in the ps3 is based on the 7800 and it's a well known fact that the xenos gpu is way better than the RSX, and according to neoseeker the xt1900 can't match a 7900 gt, plus it does not have unified shader architecture like the xenos Unlike Xenos's 64 (vertex/pixel) threads, Radeon X1x00 (R5x0) has ultra-threading e.g. Radeon X1900 has 512 (pixel) threads. Current ATI and NV D3D10 GPUs employ thousands of (geometry/vertex/pixel) threads. In terms of flexibility, ATI R5x0 is closer to D3D10 GpGPU than G7x series e.g. Fold@Home GP1 client.
I think you need to hit up Alan Wake's / Rememdy's official forums there has been multiple postings of what specs people will need to run the game they havent released anything official but they did say what systems they were developing the game on Intel C2Q Q6600 - Q6700 4GB RAM Geforce 8800GT's so look before you talk.First of all ALAN WAKE game footage is DIRECT X10, something that the 360 does not use. ALAN WAKE footage that has been shown is running DX10 on one of the most powerful PCs in the world (dont believe me? go watch the 1st alan wake tech demo) So please stop posting and claiming that the 360 will be able to do that, because it WILL NOT. ALAN WAKE has not even been shown off on the 360 yet, so no more crazy graphic claims please.
PS: dont post PC footage for any game and claim its 360s, because thats just annoying
gamer7890
Link for lazy TC http://www.alanwake.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1889
[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]BTW, I said a 8800GT... also, forgot to mention, they have PhysiX which console don't have.Better resolution, image filtering, frames per second, textures, draw distance... you name it. And even if you have a 1080p, this game won't be native 1080p for consoles. Also, mod add-ons... just like Crysis.
You haven't played Stalker : Clear Sky? And not to mention every other multiplate games that I want to play full settings including Dx10 @ 1200p will 16xAA or more.
It will look better, just like GTA4 does. Every multiplate have provent to run and look better on PC... there's nothing to argue here... it's proven.
There's a reason why COD4 or Halo 3 is lower then 720p natively...
obamanian
As i said, yes, will look better on PC, but the difference on my 720p HDTV will be minimal, that is all
In short, who cares for such tiny difference ?
As for Clear Sky, please do not even bring up that game, it may have got some impressive textures, shaders and nicer lighting than its old gen version, but everything else screms last gen, like the foliage the modeling, polygon counts etc
Bottom line is, it looks better on PC. Now, maybe for you the difference is small to not care. But, for me, I rather play the same at full setting @ 1200p. And we are just talking about graphic departement... we're not even going online, or even talking about mods.... but i'll leave that aside since it's a graphic debate.
Say what? Do not bring Stalker clear sky? There's nothing screaming last gen in that game... If that was the case, every game would feel last gen compared to Crysis.
Since you're a fanatic of tree... why don't you look at the ones in fallout 3 comparing every system.
Hopefull you'll find the differences...
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6202552/index.html?tag=topslot;thumb;4
[QUOTE="obamanian"][QUOTE="gamer7890"] the PC running ALAN WAKE was a super computer, the 360 cant run Crysis /owned and for the love of god PC is MUCH MORE POWERFUL than 360imprezawrx500
More lies ?
I just gave you a link that says it was a 7900GTX, not some "super PC", it was a totally subpar PC for todays standards actually
the 7900gtx is way better than the 360. 7900gtx > >>7800gtx >> 8600gt > hd2600 >>>>>x360 x360 struggles to run cod4 on medium settings even with the sub hd resolution of 600p while a 7900gtx has no problem with 1280 x 10204 on high settings. It plays on G71's fill-rate and ROPS count advantage. With G7X vs other "fat" unified shader GPUs, performance is dependent on the shader program's complexity. For example, NVIDIA Geforce 8600 GT GDDR3 can beat Geforce 7950 GT SLI in complex shading workloads. NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT (with 128bit wide bus, GDDR3 256MB VRAM) beats Geforce 7950GT SLI (with 2X 256bit wide bus, 2X 512 MB VRAM) in Crysis 1.21. LinkNVIDIA Geforce 8600 GTS 256MB beating Geforce 7900 GTX 512MB. Link for COD4
Please note AA settings.
Bottom line is, it looks better on PC. Now, maybe for you the difference is small to not care. But, for me, I rather play the same at full setting @ 1200p. And we are just talking about graphic departement... we're not even going online, or even talking about mods.... but i'll leave that aside since it's a graphic debate.Say what? Do not bring Stalker clear sky? There's nothing screaming last gen in that game... If that was the case, every game would feel last gen compared to Crysis.
Bebi_vegeta
Actually every game is below Crysis, Crysis has the whole package, none other
Definatly not Clear Sky anyway, that is based on a last gen engine that got upgraded, it doesn ot even touch Crysis on a high end PC
[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="obamanian"]the 7900gtx is way better than the 360. 7900gtx > >>7800gtx >> 8600gt > hd2600 >>>>>x360 x360 struggles to run cod4 on medium settings even with the sub hd resolution of 600p while a 7900gtx has no problem with 1280 x 10204 on high settings. It plays on G71's fill-rate and ROPS count advantage. With G7X vs other "fat" unified shader GPUs, performance is dependent on the shader program's complexity. For example, NVIDIA Geforce 8600 GT GDDR3 can beat Geforce 7950 GT SLI in complex shading workloads. NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT (with 128bit wide bus, GDDR3 256MB VRAM) beats Geforce 7950GT SLI (with 2X 256bit wide bus, 2X 512 MB VRAM) in Crysis 1.21. LinkMore lies ?
I just gave you a link that says it was a 7900GTX, not some "super PC", it was a totally subpar PC for todays standards actually
ronvalencia
Oh no you didn't just posted a tomshward chart!!!
Just look how wrong it is... a HD3870 better then HD4870, never mind that, a 9800GTX equal to GTX 280? ... they are the worst benchmark place.
[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Bottom line is, it looks better on PC. Now, maybe for you the difference is small to not care. But, for me, I rather play the same at full setting @ 1200p. And we are just talking about graphic departement... we're not even going online, or even talking about mods.... but i'll leave that aside since it's a graphic debate.Say what? Do not bring Stalker clear sky? There's nothing screaming last gen in that game... If that was the case, every game would feel last gen compared to Crysis.
obamanian
Actually every game is below Crysis, Crysis has the whole package, none other
Definatly not Clear Sky anyway, that is based on a last gen engine that got upgraded, it doesn ot even touch Crysis on a high end PC
Nothing touches Crysis... S:CS still looks great in Dx10.
[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] the 7900gtx is way better than the 360. 7900gtx > >>7800gtx >> 8600gt > hd2600 >>>>>x360 x360 struggles to run cod4 on medium settings even with the sub hd resolution of 600p while a 7900gtx has no problem with 1280 x 10204 on high settings. Bebi_vegetaIt plays on G71's fill-rate and ROPS count advantage. With G7X vs other "fat" unified shader GPUs, performance is dependent on the shader program's complexity. For example, NVIDIA Geforce 8600 GT GDDR3 can beat Geforce 7950 GT SLI in complex shading workloads. NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT (with 128bit wide bus, GDDR3 256MB VRAM) beats Geforce 7950GT SLI (with 2X 256bit wide bus, 2X 512 MB VRAM) in Crysis 1.21. Link
Oh no you didn't just posted a tomshward chart!!!
Just look how wrong it is... a HD3870 better then HD4870 ... they are the worst benchmark place.
Note "No AA". With Radeon HD 3870, don't turn on AA. Link for Crysis 1.2 with 4xAA 8xAF Notice Radeon HD 4870 doing quite well against Radeon HD 3870. There's an indication that tomshardware is using broken CF drivers. Typically, NVIDIA's Geforce GT280 is best card with 4xAA and 8xAF.[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] the 7900gtx is way better than the 360. 7900gtx > >>7800gtx >> 8600gt > hd2600 >>>>>x360 x360 struggles to run cod4 on medium settings even with the sub hd resolution of 600p while a 7900gtx has no problem with 1280 x 10204 on high settings. Bebi_vegetaIt plays on G71's fill-rate and ROPS count advantage. With G7X vs other "fat" unified shader GPUs, performance is dependent on the shader program's complexity. For example, NVIDIA Geforce 8600 GT GDDR3 can beat Geforce 7950 GT SLI in complex shading workloads. NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT (with 128bit wide bus, GDDR3 256MB VRAM) beats Geforce 7950GT SLI (with 2X 256bit wide bus, 2X 512 MB VRAM) in Crysis 1.21. Link
Oh no you didn't just posted a tomshward chart!!!
Just look how wrong it is... a HD3870 better then HD4870, never mind that, a 9800GTX equal to GTX 280? ... they are the worst benchmark place.
Note "No AA". At that resolution, you may not need AA. But with 4xAA and 8xAF refer to Link Geforce GTX 280 is the top card.Please Log In to post.
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