Phil Spencer: "I know we have to take risks [after Scalebound cancellation]"

As adults we have freedom of choice. I don't particularly like fps, racers or sports titles. I do, however, love me some Japanese games. You talk about how I "look" but I question how you "look" by always defending a company even when you know they are wrong. It also strikes me as odd that you would expect me to say screw it, and pretend the Xbox is great for me when it's not. If they are going to cancel the only damn thing I'm interested in, I have every right to give them the finger. It's my choice, I paid admission, but am not getting the show that was advertised to me.

I don't owe the company anything, my loyalty is to myself, not some brand. If some brand is screwing me over I'd be foolish to grin and bare it, just for the sake of looking cool on a game forum? What kind of silly logic is that?

As a consumer you have every right to question, appeal, and even abandon that which you feel isn't providing what was promised.

@Shewgenja: it's not our fault PG fucked up.

@ronvalencia: Who cares for performance when flopio will have literally zero exclusives lol?

Same arguments...

Game console dominates on multi-platform EA games.

Game console dominates on multi-platform Ubisoft games.

Game console dominates on multi-platform Activision games.

Nintendo's first party developers got stuck with out dated hardware while MS's first party developers kept up with current gen AMD GCN hardware.

@ronvalencia: You post the same charts over and over with no context like a damn spam bot.

I plan to buy HDMI 2.1 UHDTV with adaptive sync

@ronvalencia: And PS4 has all these multiplatforms lol.

Woah! Settle down madbot. You are overheating. Set fan mode to high.exe.

With multiplatform games, PS4's hardware superiority over XBO played a major part with higher install base. If price remains competitive, this PS4's hardware superiority over XBO would be reversed with Scorpio's release.

Mighty Scorpio launch day will also be known as..... Suicidal Cow Day. :P

The only madbot is you since you can't face the facts.

Where am i defending MS in this whole Scalebound cancellation? in fact i've been the one telling everybody to stop judging both parties involved until we know more, and i take offense to your bullshit claim that i'm always defending MS. Just recently i gave MS shit for the shitty deals they had over the Xmas period, and boy were they shitty.

No one knows the details and probably never will, but both Kamiya & Spencer have both apoligized publically for this cancellation.

You are quick to judge MS without proof as have others judged Platinum without proof, all i'm saying is you all look like fools, but your comment was beyond childish.

As for not getting the show you payed for, well you can sell it right, i mean with the hate you've been preaching lately i would hope you have sold it, as you would look rather hypocritical if you haven't.

I wonder what the budget is for their first party games.

And perhaps all that budget gets taken up by Halo/Forza/gears so there is no money left for other studios or different IP.

Their significant hardware improvements and BC aren't going to mean shit if they keep riding the backs of dudebro and/or fanboy franchises like Halo and Gears. Even though I didn't like the millennial-centric protag of Scalebound, it was infinitely more interesting than Crackdown 3 or the other tired shit they want to poop out ad nauseum. PS4 is going to keep winning the multiplat war, Nintendo still has a really good shot with the Switch to be backup console for most people, and PC users can play Xbox exclusives there if they really want to. MS needs more interesting exclusives and if they can't get a popular developer like Platinum to pump out a game for them, they're in bigger trouble than fanboys will let on. There is no draw to the Xbox aside from Halo, Gears, and Forza, and that's sad.

@kvally: agreed

PG is to blame for splitting up their devs for other projects

How is this at all relevant to my point? Like who cares about the hardware. The vast majority of Nintendo's studios are well established. M$ has rare and turn 10.

That's one way of thinking it.

It's against your "Nintendo have had DECADES building their gaming developers up" which means little for modern hardware when Nintendo games focused on last gen/low powered hardware.

Skillsets are develop when there's proper experience with the appropriate platform. PG's recent results shows their learning curve issues with recent hardware and that's 3rd party UE4 for Scalebound**! Turn 10 has multiple game releases with XBO e.g. the smaller Forza 6 Apex DX12 beta was the test run for Forza Horizon 3 DX12.

**Jumping into Skyrim like open world with JRG elements would be harder without proper experience. Bethesda Game Studios has multiple games with open world scale in both last gen and current gen hardware.

Just disprove your "The vast majority of Nintendo's studios are well established"

Read http://neogaf.site/forum/showpost.php?s=698c916af009f0cc5ed9ae8c7f64be34&p=224875221&postcount=72

SA has heard that Nvidia are promising software, support, and the whole shebang at a very low cost. According to one source, Nvidia may even be taking a loss on this deal. (Take the second sentence here with an extra portion of salt)

http://www.siliconera.com/2016/11/14/nvidia-ceo-shares-thoughts-nintendo-switch-design/

Huang’s entire commentary is as follows:

“We’re dedicated to the gaming market and always have been. Some parts of the market, we just weren’t prepared to serve them. I was fairly open about how, when this current generation of consoles was being considered, we didn’t have x86 CPUs. We weren’t in contention for any of those. However, the other factor is whether we could really make a contribution or not. If a particular game console doesn’t require our special skills, what we can uniquely bring, then it’s a commodity business that may not be suited for us.

In the case of Switch, it was such a ground-breaking design. Performance matters, because games are built on great performance, but form factor and energy efficiency matter incredibly, because they want to build something that’s portable and transformable. The type of gameplay they want to enable is like nothing the world has so far. It’s a scenario where two great engineering teams, working with their creative teams, needed to hunker down. Several hundred engineering years went into building this new console. It’s the type of project that really inspires us, gets us excited. It’s a classic win-win.”

NVIDIA engineers will be supporting Nintendo's creative teams to speed up their KB for Tegra X1 based SoC.

I see what you did there. *wink*

Yeah that was something they talked about from launch until the announcement of Scorpio. Now? Mutiplats performing better is non issue again.

You are absolutely entitled to be mad. I shit sure am. And I have been tweeting Spencer since and have gotten replies from him. I also use the uservoice forums to let them know how unsatisfied I am.

I take exception the "when you know they are wrong" part. I do believe they share some of the blame. Primarily in the way they were marketing the game. But it has been reported the game engine had issues, and it has been in development for 3 1/2 fuking years. In summer 2017 it would be 4 years and still no idea of a concrete release window? Those aren't MS' fault. So many want to gloss over Platinum's short comings in this situation. They signed a contract. They weren't hitting the milestones and holding up their end of the deal. They are as guilty as MS in this. But I don't see you bitching about Kamiya. He's been apologizing up and down on twitter and promised to never let people down like this again. Why would he if it was all MS' fault?

Dark Days ahead for MS??????

And why you never message me back. Me and @getyeryayasout were discussing you dissing me for no apparent reason other than PS4 being current gen 8 console leader and having 2017 most recent AAAE excluive while MS cancels a game.

I iz disapoint

He only apologized because of the backlash that wasn't predicted when they pulled the switch on Scalebound. The company is so out of touch with all but the most stereotypical Xbox gamers. How do I know this? Look at the co-op features that Microsoft was demanding of Kamiya, that's all the proof one needs to know why he was mad at them.

They have this stupid idea that all games need to be online co op to push their Gold on everyone. Platinum games are known for their rich single player experiences. It's easy to see what happened here: they pushed him to add co op, and it ruined his game. They probably told him to scrap his ideas and make the damn game online only like The Division and Destiny.

How does any of that refute the facts that Eurogamer reported the engine having issues and them approaching 4 years but still no concrete release time frame? Here is another person cuddling up to Kamiya because he's just an innocent victim of teh big bad corporation. Fuk that shit. You sign a contract and aren't coming through on your end 100% then you share the blame.

Signing a contract doesn't enable someone to totally change your work. I'm sure they came crawling to Platinum and begging for a Xbox One game, so they signed. After that the Dark Side pushed them to make it brotastic because anything not brotastic doesn't sell on the platform. They must have realized that even with the game having online co op, it was still a Japanese game, and that they just don't sell on Xbox consoles.

This is just another case of a shit company ruining what ever they touch. I'm not the only one who knows what they are. Just read a comment by that Bread or die guy who wrote something similar to what I said. Those of us not bound by chains to that shit company have the proper perception of what they are doing.

Even with the mighty Scorpio, they can go **** themselves from now on. I'm not giving them any more chances. Not buying any more of their games or hardware. And I'm going to give them hell in every open forum or website I visit from now on.

**** them.

@Ghost_Dub: You literally just made that shit up and you actually believe it's true. That's... disturbing.?

@Pedro:

Kids these dayzzz... Nothing but sculls full of mush I tellz ya. lol :P

They very clearly will not be taking any risks after what they just pulled. It proves they fully intend to stick with fps, sports and racing games, a few indies because their base likes it that way.

@Ghost_Dub: Says the person with the Switch logo as their icon. The irony.

Honestly the game does not look like my cup of tea but it would probably done okay had it at least had online coop forgetting their ambitious promises of also having offline coop. Judging from the gameplay it looks like it could have played something like Monster Hunter. I think that game did okay on the Wii and Wii U right?

@Sam3231: monster hunters are huge in Asia. Many people in Asia bought a psp just to play that game. I knew this because I spend a few years in Asia due to my work.

@ni6htmare01: I have no interest in it. My brother plays it though. I'm from the U.S.

To be fair about Scalebound for some poeple like me it is no love loss. If Phil wants to take "risks" give me an exclusive more along the like when Mass Effect was just a no name RPG but was a hidden gem once you play it. Give me the God of War game equivalent for the xbox. Quantum Break is a start-ish but if the xbox exclusives want to grow they just need to expand from just the shooters, sports and racing games. But then again that audience may be on the PS and Nintendo so maybe the xbox audience just maybe need to be more open to other games.

@Heil68: Dude, I seriously don't remember, and apologize. I was probably shitfaced when I did. Again my bad.

MS has had dark days since 2013. There have been breaks in the clouds but for the most part its been a weak gen from them, imo. I don't pretend otherwise nor pretend they aren't to blame for Scalebound. I do however believe Platinum games shares that blame. Eurogamer reported them still having issues with the engine and as a person who ran a small business operation with 7 employees, I understand that when I expected someone I hired to hold their end up, but after time, in this case 3 1/2 fuking years, they weren't living up to my hopes I cut ties.

It sucks, I hate it, wasn't completely surprised by it as I replied in your thread.

@getyeryayasout

I'm just messing with yeah..If I dont message you back on Live, more than likely my kids are on and I'm not around. Lets play soon!

I'm not the one who quoted first you to say something irrelevant, cretin.

@Ghost_Dub:

Signing a contract doesn't enable someone to totally change your work. I'm sure they came crawling to Platinum and begging for a Xbox One game, so they signed. After that the Dark Side pushed them to make it brotastic because anything not brotastic doesn't sell on the platform. They must have realized that even with the game having online co op, it was still a Japanese game, and that they just don't sell on Xbox consoles.

This is just another case of a shit company ruining what ever they touch. I'm not the only one who knows what they are. Just read a comment by that Bread or die guy who wrote something similar to what I said. Those of us not bound by chains to that shit company have the proper perception of what they are doing.

Even with the mighty Scorpio, they can go **** themselves from now on. I'm not giving them any more chances. Not buying any more of their games or hardware. And I'm going to give them hell in every open forum or website I visit from now on.

**** them.

And here is more conjecture. Your "sure they came crawling to Platinum"; "brotastic" "it was still a Japanese game". More shit that cant be proven. You don't know Jack or shit for sure about this, like the rest of us. You are upset and want to be angry at a target. But you also said you love you some Japanese games, so its obvious you are going to protect the Japanese that are to blame here along with Microsoft. That's bitchass shyte. Especially when Eurogamer reported the engine still has issues after 3 1/2 years and this summer would be 4 years of dev time. But still no concrete idea when they would have a release window. There is no possible way to say that Platinum doesn't share the blame.

Signing a contract binds you to the terms of the contract. So while you focus on "MS is changing teh work", I am talking about the work not meeting the time table given multiple times. That isn't responsible work by a contracted company. You seem to forget that I repeatedly state MS shares the blame. You are the one that seem chained to a company here. I fully call out MS for their role in this. But you like others fail to accept that there is clearly reported evidence that Platinum aren't guilt free. You are wearing rose tinted glasses and seeing only what you wish.

As for "Fuk them with Scorpio or anything else in your case, I don't give a rats ass. You aren't on my friend's list. I wont miss you.

Taking risks is literally the opposite of what MS did here.

people apparently don't really seem to understand how big a hole Xbox was in from the beginning of the gen. Spencer has actually managed to claw them back to respectability which is major.

Complaining it's been three years is laughable, it took PS3 the entire gen to turn around.

I'll say it again, all these people with all this 20/20 business acumen hindsight trying to compare what Sony is doing to MS don't really seem to comprehend that basically Xbox and PS switched positions this gen. When you are far behind, your aren't going to spend a bunch of money on risks, that's not how businesses operate. Yes, Sony can now focus on software and take risks since they have such a huge lead in console sales. But everyone seems to forget they weren't doing that at the beginning of the gen they were marketing multiplats as first party games and Kaz was acting all bewildered when Sony fans were complaining about indies since they were still in risk mode and weren't putting out big games the first two years of the gen.

Another thing that's kinda phony around here is people are acting like since the PS4 *finally* has some games coming out this year, they are acting like it's always been that way. PS4 had a drought most of last year.

So yeah, MS took one on the chin with this PG debacle, but don't we have enough of these conjecture topics?

'Xbox is Doomed'

'Spencer should step down'

GTFOH lol

People really need to stop over analyzing everything Spencer says. You guys take tweets and soundbites way outta context. Of course he's going to say things that are PR fluff and damage control in a situation like this. That's what leaders do.

I mean really...what are you expecting him to have a press conference and announce Xbox is shutting down? cmon man get real.

Ha ha ha ha, I caught onto that as well. You say you give him chances but you don't have an Xbox so what chance are you exactly giving him LOL.?????

Do tell!!!!

I have already answered this question:

Lems cant catch a break, meanwhile SONY is churning out 1 world glass excluive after another!

Always enjoy talking with you char. I always get something out of it and learn from you. But actually, I would say you gave him praise and respect, but you never gave him or his product a chance. I understand money is what money is and you cant. I got that. But giving a chance is getting on board, saying "Ok captain, take the helm, I'm with you". You mentioned delivering tangible results but you don't have a tangible stake in this, is all I meant.

All these people saying you can't have an opinion on XBox unless you buy one have me wondering how strong their opinions are on having things pushed into ye olde exit hole. Lacking experience in something does not invalidate your feelings toward it. The human psyche doesn't work like that.

@cainetao11:Likewise, my friend, you are one of my favorite users on here.

But I would still disagree, in that it is entirely possible for me to support a company or a person, without supporting everything they do. For instance, I support Spencer's drive to make Xbox gamer centric. I support Spencer's push for varied games. I support Spencer's push to have an actual powerful console again. I support all of that- but I don't see the results of those pushes yet, and until I do... why should I purchase his system? I don't give my money away on a participation basis, I spend money on a product that I think is worth it. So I can give Spencer a chance in that I am eagerly waiting for his initiatives to pan out, and going into everything he does with an open mind (which, as you well know, is a trait that is at a premium these days), but until the things he is doing bear substantive results, I don't see any reason to spend money on his product. I didn't buy a Wii U until over a year in because I didn't feel that the product was worth my money- but you know how much I support Nintendo, and how many chances I give them. That didn't align with me buying the Wii U, not until I felt it was worth it. It's the same situation here. I give Spencer every chance to win me over- the minute he does, he will have my money. But not until then- ultimately, I have limited funds, and a lot of things vying for them, most of them far more necessary than video games (and what would at this point be a sixth gaming system)- so I am not in a position to blow $350 on a home console just to show support, I am afraid. I am in a position to buy what I want, maybe a bit later than I'd like, but to buy it nonetheless- and the day Spencer makes the Xbox something I like, I will buy it.

But that question remains independent of me supporting him.

it's worked well for sony for the past 3 years lol