Please get it into your heads, the PS3 is NOT the only console capable of 3D

Is not 3D until you can play good games in 3D.mystervj

haha!

i agree with this logic!

because you can't possibly be oblivious to the well established logic that a movie does not fit into the context of an actual movie until it's well made!

Is not 3D until you can play good games in 3D.mystervj

People actually believe the ps3 is the ONLY console to be 3D? Yikes.... Im guessing they are either closed in fools with no outside world contact, or too ignorant that the only news they follow is PS3 news. As soon as this "Revelation" began i was told by many people, articles and broadcasts that almost all consoles and PC's can become 3D rather effortlessly with a new codec or firmware upgrade.

[QUOTE="mystervj"]Is not 3D until you can play good games in 3D.Ravensmash

People actually believe the ps3 is the ONLY console to be 3D? Yikes.... Im guessing they are either closed in fools with no outside world contant, because as soon as this "Revelation" began i was told by many people, articles and broadcasts that almost all consoles and PC's can become 3D rather effortlessly with a new codec or firmware upgrade.JohnF111

well, if this if in any way pertains to you!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MakQpMSKP7I

it wouldn't be "true" 3D as the Xbox 360 is not capable of outputting full 1080 pixels!

but that's only if this matters in the same vein as the "sub-hd" debacle does!

It's still a gimmick until it becomes the standard in gaming.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="mystervj"]Is not 3D until you can play good games in 3D.mystervj

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Everybody round these parts knows that the PC and the 3DS both are also capable of stereoscopic 3D. However, most people here seem to mistakenly believe that the PS3 is the first and only console capable of 3D gaming.

Understand this: this is wrong.
The PS3 is not the first games console to do 3D, nor is it the only one.

The first game console that could display stereoscopic 3D was the NES, with several Square published games that could display stereoscopic 3D.

Games such as Rad Racer and 3-D World Runner, both on the NES, were stereoscopic 3D.

Last generation, the Gamecube was fully 3D compatible. However, it never had a 3D game release, so the 3D compatibility was never exploited.

This generation, all three home consoles are 3D compatible. The Wii retains the Gamecube's 3D compatibility, the Xbox 360 is stereoscopic 3D compatible. It's already gotten the first stereoscopic 3D console game this generation, James Cameron's Avatar, and it's getting another one: Saint's Row Drive By. Finally, the PS3 is, as everybody knows, 3D compatible.

Hopefully, this knowledge shall stop PS3 fanboys from insinuating that the PS3 is the first console that can do 3D, or the only one, and that the future of gaming, in the form of 3D, can only be enjoyed on the PS3, because all of that is utter bullcrap. All three home consoles are 3D compatible, and the only reason we hear so much about the PS3's 3D compatibility is because Sony is giving 3D gaming a huge push, if only to sell their 3DTV's.

Riverwolf007

stereoscopic means to me red/green and i won't touch it.

if the 360 comes out with an update to use my tv's glasses then fine but otherwise this is a race ms is not even competeing in.

shockingly enough i may.... begin.... to.... omg... get multiplats on ps3.... mind blowing stuff right there.

Dude, that's exactly the kind of 3D the Xbox 360 supports as well, so I don't see your point here :?charizard1605

well, methinks that this could be seen in relation to the whole matter of "knowing" that you're experiencing the true output capability of a product, even if it doesn't effect your overall experience!

it's really not that much different than having obligations against something being 720p vs 1080p!

Logic is not welcome within the gates of System Warstomarlyn

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]People actually believe the ps3 is the ONLY console to be 3D? Yikes.... Im guessing they are either closed in fools with no outside world contant, because as soon as this "Revelation" began i was told by many people, articles and broadcasts that almost all consoles and PC's can become 3D rather effortlessly with a new codec or firmware upgrade.HelloMoto56

well, if this if in any way pertains to you!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MakQpMSKP7I

it wouldn't be "true" 3D as the Xbox 360 is not capable of outputting full 1080 pixels!

but that's only if this matters in the same vein as the "sub-hd" debacle does!

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Logic is not welcome within the gates of System Warscharizard1605

well, methinks again that is depends on where your context lies charizard1605!

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Dude, that's exactly the kind of 3D the Xbox 360 supports as well, so I don't see your point here :?HelloMoto56

well, methinks that this could be seen in relation to the whole matter of "knowing" that you're experiencing the true output capability of a product, even if it doesn't effect your overall experience!

it's really not that much different than having obligations against something being 720p vs 1080p!

you fail, darkstar one on the 360 is rendered in native 1080p on the 360, so are a lot of other games on the 360, the 360 can also upscale ALL of it's games to 1080p, don't believe the rubbish you find on youtube,loldelta3074

i didn't accuse the Xbox 360 of not being capable of producing 1080p products!

i accused it of being incapable of producing "true" 1080p pixels!

but as i stated before, it really wouldn't relate overall to your gaming experience!

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Everybody round these parts knows that the PC and the 3DS both are also capable of stereoscopic 3D. However, most people here seem to mistakenly believe that the PS3 is the first and only console capable of 3D gaming.

Understand this: this is wrong.
The PS3 is not the first games console to do 3D, nor is it the only one.

The first game console that could display stereoscopic 3D was the NES, with several Square published games that could display stereoscopic 3D.

Games such as Rad Racer and 3-D World Runner, both on the NES, were stereoscopic 3D.

Last generation, the Gamecube was fully 3D compatible. However, it never had a 3D game release, so the 3D compatibility was never exploited.

This generation, all three home consoles are 3D compatible. The Wii retains the Gamecube's 3D compatibility, the Xbox 360 is stereoscopic 3D compatible. It's already gotten the first stereoscopic 3D console game this generation, James Cameron's Avatar, and it's getting another one: Saint's Row Drive By. Finally, the PS3 is, as everybody knows, 3D compatible.

Hopefully, this knowledge shall stop PS3 fanboys from insinuating that the PS3 is the first console that can do 3D, or the only one, and that the future of gaming, in the form of 3D, can only be enjoyed on the PS3, because all of that is utter bullcrap. All three home consoles are 3D compatible, and the only reason we hear so much about the PS3's 3D compatibility is because Sony is giving 3D gaming a huge push, if only to sell their 3DTV's.

charizard1605

stereoscopic means to me red/green and i won't touch it.

if the 360 comes out with an update to use my tv's glasses then fine but otherwise this is a race ms is not even competeing in.

shockingly enough i may.... begin.... to.... omg... get multiplats on ps3.... mind blowing stuff right there.

seriously i have not seen so much as one announcement from ms about 3d... not that i have been looking....

i'm getting nfs: hot pursuit and if the ps3 version is in 3d that's the one i'm buying. if the 360 will do it too then i would rather get nfs for it.

the 3d thing is the only possible way sony can convince me to choose their multiplats so if i'm saved from that fate then i would be a happier camper.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]you fail, darkstar one on the 360 is rendered in native 1080p on the 360, so are a lot of other games on the 360, the 360 can also upscale ALL of it's games to 1080p, don't believe the rubbish you find on youtube,lolHelloMoto56

i didn't accuse the Xbox 360 of not being capable of producing 1080p products!

i accused it of being incapable of producing "true" 1080p pixels!

but as i stated before, it really wouldn't relate overall to your gaming experience!

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Logic is not welcome within the gates of System WarsHelloMoto56

well, methinks again that is depends on where your context lies charizard1605!

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]irrelevent, for me the choice is between the ps3 and xbox so that means that the ps3 will be my 3d console.

stereoscopic means to me red/green and i won't touch it.

if the 360 comes out with an update to use my tv's glasses then fine but otherwise this is a race ms is not even competeing in.

shockingly enough i may.... begin.... to.... omg... get multiplats on ps3.... mind blowing stuff right there.

seriously i have not seen so much as one announcement from ms about 3d... not that i have been looking....

i'm getting nfs: hot pursuit and if the ps3 version is in 3d that's the one i'm buying. if the 360 will do it too then i would rather get nfs for it.

the 3d thing is the only possible way sony can convince me to choose their multiplats so if i'm saved from that fate then i would be a happier camper.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]you fail, darkstar one on the 360 is rendered in native 1080p on the 360, so are a lot of other games on the 360, the 360 can also upscale ALL of it's games to 1080p, don't believe the rubbish you find on youtube,lolHelloMoto56

i didn't accuse the Xbox 360 of not being capable of producing 1080p products!

i accused it of being incapable of producing "true" 1080p pixels!

but as i stated before, it really wouldn't relate overall to your gaming experience!

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] See the link, The GCN WAS stereoscopic 3D compatible, although it might have used a different technique.Zanoh

There is a reason why it was never used.

Listen to yourself talk man....The current method is an advancement of the ealier methods just a different Hz frequency. 3D was capable back then as it is now. The method of HOW it is applied is relevance. The only reason why they use 120 hz is to project the image for the stupid glasses to pick up the imagery.

Of course PS3 is not the only home console technically capable of 3D. And the 360 can also take advantage of the 120Hz displays (but the 360 also is a bit more difficult to work with in 3D for the aforementioned reasons). But when we talk about home console compatability with 3D, casually speaking, we're talking about being able to take advantage of the new 3D TVs. In that respect, the Wii can't do that. Even Iwata-san does not consider the Wii to be 3D compatible.

lol true 1080p pixels?Ravensmash

you should have viewed the link i've obliged this thread with Ravensmash!

but if you want to try it yourself, transfer a 1080p white image from the internet (or any color for that matter!) to your Xbox 360, and zoom into the ratio of the pixels in that image and you will not be receiving 1080p pixels!

[QUOTE="HelloMoto56"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]you fail, darkstar one on the 360 is rendered in native 1080p on the 360, so are a lot of other games on the 360, the 360 can also upscale ALL of it's games to 1080p, don't believe the rubbish you find on youtube,loldelta3074

i didn't accuse the Xbox 360 of not being capable of producing 1080p products!

i accused it of being incapable of producing "true" 1080p pixels!

but as i stated before, it really wouldn't relate overall to your gaming experience!

you fail, darkstar one on the 360 is rendered in native 1080p on the 360, so are a lot of other games on the 360, the 360 can also upscale ALL of it's games to 1080p, don't believe the rubbish you find on youtube,loldelta3074

i didn't accuse the Xbox 360 of not being capable of producing 1080p products!

i accused it of being incapable of producing "true" 1080p pixels!

but as i stated before, it really wouldn't relate overall to your gaming experience!

Yeah, but the PS3 is the only console capable of 4D :P

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="hayato_"] And what proof do we have that Sony does it best?Personally I would be inclined to think that Nintendo is doing it best. [QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

Hold on a second. Let's be absolutely clear, the curent active shutter 3D solutions requires a 120Hz television to display images properly. And almost all of these 120Hz televisions require the use of an HDMI input in order to display any content in stereoscopic 3D. The Wii, and the Gamecube for that matter, are simply not compatible with current 3D televisions. In addition, the 3D solution used before the advent of current 120Hz 3D TVs (and 3D monitors) was subpar and terrible, which is why Nintendo never used it.

The Xbox 360, on the other hand, is compatible with current 3D TVs except for the old models which lack an HDMI output. The 360 should only need a firmware upgrade to 'act' as an HDMI 1.4a source -- ie. support the mandatory 3D signal formats, frame packing at 1080p/24 (for movies) and 720p/60 or 720p/50 ( for games) and communicate with TVs in this signal format. Until such time that it does, however, developers will have to handle 3D output on their own.

hayato_

Also, for argument SW standards, people are gonna be surprised with the 3DS's 3D tech. The fact that you have to be in the right position to even get the full effect might be a little "concerning" to say the least.

Its not a matter of who can do it.

Its a matter of who can do it best

Hold on a second. Let's be absolutely clear, the curent active shutter 3D solutions requires a 120Hz television to display images properly. And almost all of these 120Hz televisions require the use of an HDMI input in order to display any content in stereoscopic 3D. The Wii, and the Gamecube for that matter, are simply not compatible with current 3D televisions. In addition, the 3D solution used before the advent of current 120Hz 3D TVs (and 3D monitors) was subpar and terrible, which is why Nintendo never used it.

The Xbox 360, on the other hand, is compatible with current 3D TVs except for the old models which lack an HDMI output. The 360 should only need a firmware upgrade to 'act' as an HDMI 1.4a source -- ie. support the mandatory 3D signal formats, frame packing at 1080p/24 (for movies) and 720p/60 or 720p/50 ( for games) and communicate with TVs in this signal format. Until such time that it does, however, developers will have to handle 3D output on their own.

Yeah, but the PS3 is the only console capable of 4D :P

MetroidPrimePwn

Couple that with 2D, 3D, much better D, the unprecedented visuals of Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5 in 3D in 1080p@ 60fps, and the xbox 1.5 level visuals of the 360--immediate victory for Sony and the Playstation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't some sony devs say that there would be a 2D and 3D version of the game on the same disc?

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]

Yeah, but the PS3 is the only console capable of 4D :P

Heirren

Couple that with 2D, 3D, much better D, the unprecedented visuals of Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5 in 3D in 1080p@ 60fps, and the xbox 1.5 level visuals of the 360--immediate victory for Sony and the Playstation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't some sony devs say that there would be a 2D and 3D version of the game on the same disc?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="HelloMoto56"]

i didn't accuse the Xbox 360 of not being capable of producing 1080p products!

i accused it of being incapable of producing "true" 1080p pixels!

but as i stated before, it really wouldn't relate overall to your gaming experience!

hoosier7

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]

Yeah, but the PS3 is the only console capable of 4D :P

HuusAsking

Couple that with 2D, 3D, much better D, the unprecedented visuals of Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5 in 3D in 1080p@ 60fps, and the xbox 1.5 level visuals of the 360--immediate victory for Sony and the Playstation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't some sony devs say that there would be a 2D and 3D version of the game on the same disc?

Yeah, I wasn't being very serious. I'm aware that the visuals will take a hit. I'm still curious how the xbox will handle 3D with the limited space of dvd, considering the Playstation 3D games will contain 2 versions of the same game on one blu ray.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Logic is not welcome within the gates of System Warscharizard1605

There is nothing stopping the 360 from rendering and displaying games at full 1080p in 2D. On the other hand, the 360 can't display 3D games at 1080p because it lacks the HDMI bandwidth (TMDS) to do so. It uses an HDMI 1.2 interface, which is limited to 1920x1200x60fps.

On the other hand, the PS3 is theoretically capable of displaying 3D at 1080p/60fps through the use of HDMI high speed cables. But I say theoretically, because 1) it's not a mandatory HDMI 1.4a output format, 2) the system is barely pushing 2D 720p games as it is already.

those werent touted as big features in comparrasin to the PS3s when you think bout it or it would have caught on then.Also the wii isnt original with its balance board either, nor is Kinect yet all touted as the one and only even tho the waters were tested in prior gens.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

Couple that with 2D, 3D, much better D, the unprecedented visuals of Uncharted 2, Gran Turismo 5 in 3D in 1080p@ 60fps, and the xbox 1.5 level visuals of the 360--immediate victory for Sony and the Playstation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't some sony devs say that there would be a 2D and 3D version of the game on the same disc?

Heirren

Yeah, I wasn't being very serious. I'm aware that the visuals will take a hit. I'm still curious how the xbox will handle 3D with the limited space of dvd, considering the Playstation 3D games will contain 2 versions of the same game on one blu ray.

360 is limited at 3D because it only has HDMI 1.2 .Also, Crysis 2 uses a fake 3D compared to Sony's method and renders the scene only 1 time compared to 2.

There is nothing stopping the 360 from rendering and displaying games at full 1080p in 2D. On the other hand, the 360 can't display 3D games at 1080p because it lacks the HDMI bandwidth (TMDS) to do so. It uses an HDMI 1.2 interface, which is limited to 1920x1200x60fps.

On the other hand, the PS3 is theoretically capable of displaying 3D at 1080p/60fps through the use of HDMI high speed cables. But I say theoretically, because 1) it's not a mandatory HDMI 1.4a output format, 2) the system is barely pushing 2D 720p games as it is already.

SakusEnvoy

ITT: TC thinks people think only the PS3 is capable of 3D. :lol:

Pretty much every console is capable of 3D, but Sony is really going full in with the PS3 in an effort to promote their Sony 3D tvs.

Well the PS3 is the first console(console= not PC or handheld) to strongly be pushing this new gen 3D.

Any console now a days is pretty much capable with the advent of software updates.

Well the PS3 is the first console(console= not PC or handheld) to strongly be pushing this new gen 3D.

Any console now a days is pretty much capable with the advent of software updates.

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Well the PS3 is the first console(console= not PC or handheld) to strongly be pushing this new gen 3D.

Any console now a days is pretty much capable with the advent of software updates.

charizard1605

I said "pushing" new gen 3D.

This

Not this

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="dercoo"]

Well the PS3 is the first console(console= not PC or handheld) to strongly be pushing this new gen 3D.

Any console now a days is pretty much capable with the advent of software updates.

dercoo

I said "pushing" new gen 3D.

This

Not this

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

Well the PS3 is the first console(console= not PC or handheld) to strongly be pushing this new gen 3D.

Any console now a days is pretty much capable with the advent of software updates.

charizard1605

Well, here's where I take issue.

"Hopefully, this knowledge shall stop PS3 fanboys from insinuating that the PS3 is the first console that can do 3D, or the only one, and that the future of gaming, in the form of 3D, can only be enjoyed on the PS3, because all of that is utter bullcrap. All three home consoles are 3D compatible, and the only reason we hear so much about the PS3's 3D compatibility is because Sony is giving 3D gaming a huge push, if only to sell their 3DTV's."

1) The 120Hz active shutter 3D solution is new. Only two home consoles are compatible with it: the Playstation 3 and the Xbox 360. The reason why 3D is being pushed like never before - not just by Sony, but by several television companies - is because televisions were not natively capable of producing 3D content without flicker or color degradation until now. Are active shutter 3D solutions the future of 3D? It's too early to say. But one thing is for certain, 3D without flicker and color degradation is the future, and all home gaming consoles are designed to be played on TVs.

2) The reason why we hear so much about the PS3's 3D compatability is because the Xbox 360 is not designed to be compatible with the new HDMI 1.4 spec used by this new generation of televisions. Only the PS3 is. That doesn't mean the 360 isn't compatible with 120Hz stereoscopic 3D output via HDMI, though, only that Microsoft has made no effort to officially support it.

3) To be honest, just because the Gamecube was secretly designed to load graphical circuits which display graphics for right and left eyes, does not mean that the Wii even has this capability (which for all we know, was nothing more than a hardware version of an anaglyph solution - which is possible purely through software anyway).

I don't really recall anyone claiming the PS3 as the only 3D console. True enough there's been devs in the past the dabbled with 3D in the past, but the PS3 has so far been the first console to push 3D is an actual standard on the system.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"][QUOTE="delta3074"]storage medium has nothing to do with graphics.charizard1605

But, doesn't the ps3s 3d not work that way, which makes it different, hence possibly only possible on the ps3, as of now?