please, Killzone 2's been long forgotten; stop bringing it up...(56Killz0wn3d)

I will admit KZ2 looks good, but not as good as most cows claim. its textures arent very good. Most of them are low res. Im still confused though as to how people compare it to Crysis though. i dont think KZ2 can beat this

i would also like to see Killzone 2 do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzGYqnVW9x8&fmt=22

and here is a 46 megapixel image shrunk down. real link here http://download.vam-online.com/test/04/ScreenShot0097-res-10000.jpg 20mb download

painguy1

Was Killzone 2 being comparable to Crysis even mentioned in this thread?

I'm a PC gamer to, and the demo isn't enough to judge. Your wrong here dude believe me. Maybe there is a game or 2 that does textures better on consoles but that's 1/10th of the overall graphical package. KZ2 is a graphical BEAST. Even coming from a console it hold up to a lot of pc games, not in rez, but in effects it's really well crafted.Eddie-Vedder

The demo used to sell the game to consumers is wrong? Every single screenshot in the GameSpot gallery is wrong?

I don't particularly care what they layer on top of a games graphics if they fail with the fundamentals. Polygons, textures, mapping, shaders and post processing in that order. The further back you mess up the more messed up the result; regardless of how good you do with the others. You can have the best post processing hardware has to offer, if the textures are mud it looks like mud.

I value image clarity, a concept that is completely alien to the console side; but something I personally value none the less. To me KZ2 represents the bad side of console graphics this generation, cheaping out on textures to free up the Vram for complex shader/post processing effects. It makes KZ2 look ugly to me and it looks like Bad Company is making a similar choice.

At the end of the day it is just my preference, if you honestly belive that opinion is wrong; then provide the evidence. The problem is every image I have seen consistently have bad textures and attempts to use blur to cover them up.

I will admit KZ2 looks good, but not as good as most cows claim. its textures arent very good. Most of them are low res. Im still confused though as to how people compare it to Crysis though. i dont think KZ2 can beat this

i would also like to see Killzone 2 do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzGYqnVW9x8&fmt=22

and here is a 46 megapixel image shrunk down. real link here http://download.vam-online.com/test/04/ScreenShot0097-res-10000.jpg 20mb download

painguy1

So close..

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]I'm a PC gamer to, and the demo isn't enough to judge. Your wrong here dude believe me. Maybe there is a game or 2 that does textures better on consoles but that's 1/10th of the overall graphical package. KZ2 is a graphical BEAST. Even coming from a console it hold up to a lot of pc games, not in rez, but in effects it's really well crafted.AnnoyedDragon

The demo used to sell the game to consumers is wrong? Every single screenshot in the GameSpot gallery is wrong?

I don't particularly care what they layer on top of a games graphics if they fail with the fundamentals. Polygons, textures, mapping, shaders and post processing in that order. The further back you mess up the more messed up the result; regardless of how good you do with the others. You can have the best post processing hardware has to offer, if the textures are mud it looks like mud.

I value image clarity, a concept that is completely alien to the console side; but something I personally value none the less. To me KZ2 represents the bad side of console graphics this generation, cheaping out on textures to free up the Vram for complex shader/post processing effects. It makes KZ2 look ugly to me and it looks like Bad Company is making a similar choice.

At the end of the day it is just my preference, if you honestly belive that opinion is wrong; then provide the evidence. The problem is every image I have seen consistently have bad textures and attempts to use blur to cover them up.

I will admit KZ2 looks good, but not as good as most cows claim. its textures arent very good. Most of them are low res. Im still confused though as to how people compare it to Crysis though. i dont think KZ2 can beat this

i would also like to see Killzone 2 do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzGYqnVW9x8&fmt=22

and here is a 46 megapixel image shrunk down. real link here http://download.vam-online.com/test/04/ScreenShot0097-res-10000.jpg 20mb download

painguy1

KZ2 or any game on a console can't touch Crysis. This is pretty well known to everyone but the big town fanboys.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

I will admit KZ2 looks good, but not as good as most cows claim. its textures arent very good. Most of them are low res. Im still confused though as to how people compare it to Crysis though. i dont think KZ2 can beat this

i would also like to see Killzone 2 do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzGYqnVW9x8&fmt=22

and here is a 46 megapixel image shrunk down. real link here http://download.vam-online.com/test/04/ScreenShot0097-res-10000.jpg 20mb download

powerman91

So close..

HAHAHA sry dude i had to do it. :D i did it on purpose :P

Rofl dude your on something... You haven't played the game and are claiming to know what your talking about, I'm argueing against a blind person... Play the game then your opinion will be worth something, gamespot's screenshoot gallery and seeing someone play the demo doesn't cut it. Don't you find it odd your completly alone in your opinion? Except for lem fakeboys... And don't bring up the preference/opinion card, has nothing to do with that. Play the game.Eddie-Vedder

So you're admitting to it, you are saying every piece of material out there is wrong, even the demo and even the content posted by fans of the game. Then what the hell were Cows hyped on prior to release then? Seeing how everything outside the game is unsuitable.

Nothing but actually purchasing the game will please you, yet I am not about to do that. Quite frankly I think you are blind, I shouldn't expect someone sitting across the room staring at an upscaled image to know anything about image clarity.

[QUOTE="powerman91"]

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

I will admit KZ2 looks good, but not as good as most cows claim. its textures arent very good. Most of them are low res. Im still confused though as to how people compare it to Crysis though. i dont think KZ2 can beat this

i would also like to see Killzone 2 do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzGYqnVW9x8&fmt=22

and here is a 46 megapixel image shrunk down. real link here http://download.vam-online.com/test/04/ScreenShot0097-res-10000.jpg 20mb download

painguy1

So close..

HAHAHA sry dude i had to do it. :D i did it on purpose :P

LAWL awesome trap for lems. :lol:

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Rofl dude your on something... You haven't played the game and are claiming to know what your talking about, I'm argueing against a blind person... Play the game then your opinion will be worth something, gamespot's screenshoot gallery and seeing someone play the demo doesn't cut it. Don't you find it odd your completly alone in your opinion? Except for lem fakeboys... And don't bring up the preference/opinion card, has nothing to do with that. Play the game.AnnoyedDragon

So you're admitting to it, you are saying every piece of material out there is wrong, even the demo and even the content posted by fans of the game. Then what the hell were Cows hyped on prior to release then? Seeing how everything outside the game is unsuitable.

Nothing but actually purchasing the game will please you, yet I am not about to do that. Quite frankly I think you are blind, I shouldn't expect someone sitting across the room starting at an unscaled image to know anything about image clarity.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Rofl dude your on something... You haven't played the game and are claiming to know what your talking about, I'm argueing against a blind person... Play the game then your opinion will be worth something, gamespot's screenshoot gallery and seeing someone play the demo doesn't cut it. Don't you find it odd your completly alone in your opinion? Except for lem fakeboys... And don't bring up the preference/opinion card, has nothing to do with that. Play the game.AnnoyedDragon

So you're admitting to it, you are saying every piece of material out there is wrong, even the demo and even the content posted by fans of the game. Then what the hell were Cows hyped on prior to release then? Seeing how everything outside the game is unsuitable.

Nothing but actually purchasing the game will please you, yet I am not about to do that. Quite frankly I think you are blind, I shouldn't expect someone sitting across the room staring at an unscaled image to know anything about image clarity.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Rofl dude your on something... You haven't played the game and are claiming to know what your talking about, I'm argueing against a blind person... Play the game then your opinion will be worth something, gamespot's screenshoot gallery and seeing someone play the demo doesn't cut it. Don't you find it odd your completly alone in your opinion? Except for lem fakeboys... And don't bring up the preference/opinion card, has nothing to do with that. Play the game.AnnoyedDragon

So you're admitting to it, you are saying every piece of material out there is wrong, even the demo and even the content posted by fans of the game. Then what the hell were Cows hyped on prior to release then? Seeing how everything outside the game is unsuitable.

Nothing but actually purchasing the game will please you, yet I am not about to do that. Quite frankly I think you are blind, I shouldn't expect someone sitting across the room staring at an upscaled image to know anything about image clarity.

Tell me this. Do you have any idea why this game is the game with best graphics on consoles along side Uncharted 2? Have you heard of games looking better in movement than still photos?

Yaya dude the millions of ppl that HAVE played the game are blind and wrong, the almighty AnnoyedDragon that HASN'T played the game is right :lol: Wow SW...Eddie-Vedder

Oh get over yourself, I'm not out to convert SW to the way I think, that's what you are doing right now. I've made it clear it's my opinion based on a visual preference, if you want to change that (which you seem to be trying) don't complain when you decide all possible online evidence is useless.

Tell me this. Do you have any idea why this game is the game with best graphics on consoles along side Uncharted 2? Have you heard of games looking better in movement than still photos?

RadecSupreme

I do recognise games look better in motion than in stills, that's for the effects that only appear in motion. However when it comes to textures they blur in motion, so they look best when still. Killzone 2's textures look horrible to me when still, when people talk about motion they are talking about the blur that prevents them from actually looking at the textures.

When people argue about KZ2 looking good they are talking about the overall effect, not the individual bits that add up to it. I'm sure the game looks impressive in motion, but from a technical perspective; those textures are low quality. I'm the sort of person who when they cannot run a game on full settings in the past; turns down everything but keeps textures on max. Textures are important to me, so a game that values effects/post processing over textures doesn't impress me in the least.

Am i supposed to be impressed???walkingdream

Seeing as you are biased, probably not.

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]Am i supposed to be impressed???RadecSupreme

Seeing as you are biased, probably not.

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]Am i supposed to be impressed???RadecSupreme

Seeing as you are biased, probably not.

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]Am i supposed to be impressed???Stevo_the_gamer

Seeing as you are biased, probably not.

Indeed

Also what do you mean by pot calling the kettle black? English is not my first language so I dont undertsand what you mean by this

Gotta beat this game again!

Indeed

Also what do you mean by pot calling the kettle black? English is not my first language so I dont undertsand what you mean by this

RadecSupreme

It's an idiom showcasing hypocrisy, or a contradiction. The pot and kettle are both black. So when the pot calls the kettle black, he himself is guity of the same thing (being black). Could always use the almighty google. :P

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Yaya dude the millions of ppl that HAVE played the game are blind and wrong, the almighty AnnoyedDragon that HASN'T played the game is right :lol: Wow SW...AnnoyedDragon

Oh get over yourself, I'm not out to convert SW to the way I think, that's what you are doing right now. I've made it clear it's my opinion based on a visual preference, if you want to change that (which you seem to be trying) don't complain when you decide all possible online evidence is useless.

Tell me this. Do you have any idea why this game is the game with best graphics on consoles along side Uncharted 2? Have you heard of games looking better in movement than still photos?

RadecSupreme

I do recognise games look better in motion than in stills, that's for the effects that only appear in motion. However when it comes to textures they blur in motion, so they look best when still. Killzone 2's textures look horrible to me when still, when people talk about motion they are talking about the blur that prevents them from actually looking at the textures.

When people argue about KZ2 looking good they are talking about the overall effect, not the individual bits that add up to it. I'm sure the game looks impressive in motion, but from a technical perspective; those textures are low quality. I'm the sort of person who when they cannot run a game on full settings in the past; turns down everything but keeps textures on max. Textures are important to me, so a game that values effects/post processing over textures doesn't impress me in the least.

That's not even a gameplay screen you used to show those bad textures you keep talking about.

They really arent as bad as you make them out to be.

Without the infamous blur.

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

Indeed

Also what do you mean by pot calling the kettle black? English is not my first language so I dont undertsand what you mean by this

Stevo_the_gamer

It's an idiom showcasing hypocrisy, or a contradiction. The pot and kettle are both black. So when the pot calls the kettle black, he himself is guity of the same thing (being black). Could always use the almighty google. :P

I'm sorry but since the first Halo all have been crap...And the online community for Halo is even worse. Nothing but morons yelling back and forth compairing E-peen size. Halo Reach doesn't even come close to graphics most other games have. And seriously there is no amount of graphics in this world that can save Halo. Just because a game has amazing Graphics doesn't make it a good game. You can add more texture to Sh!t but in the end it is still the same old Sh!t just with a fresh look...

That's not even a gameplay screen you used to show those bad textures you keep talking about.

They really arent as bad as you make them out to be.

Without the infamous blur.

FIipMode

I knew someone would complain about my choice of screen, which is why I tried to make them choose, since they refused I was given no choice. It's inevitable that no matter what screens you pick someone would complain about them.

That said, I don't think you understand what my complaint was if you think those screens are a counter argument. The first screen is a shader/normal mapping effect, the other two are distanced shots of the environment, all of them are downscaled.

How are any of these counter arguments to my textures criticisms? Especially considering all the examples I did show are of characters.

All I see are scripted event, static lighting, a non-existant color palette, enough blur to give anyone motion sickness, and enemies flailing around like idiots when they get shot.

Uncharted 2 creams it. I never saw the appeal of KZ2's graphics.

Vaasman

To be honest, killzone 2 was what pushed me to buy a PS3. The graphics were great and the multiplayer was really fun WHILE IT LASTED. Even if it was for a short time.

killzone 2 is a garbage of a game. no1 plays it. so who cares

Revolution316

Forgettable game is forgettable. Thanks for reminding us that game existed. Killzone 2 is suffering from an identity crisis, the game doesn't stand out from other shooters, abysmal story/characters. It has the fundamentals of a good shooter, but there are PLENTY of good shooters out there, why should I choose this one? See the problem?peanutbudduh

Sounds alot like mw2,gears and a bit of halo(game bored me to tears) and those seem to do well.

[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"]Forgettable game is forgettable. Thanks for reminding us that game existed. Killzone 2 is suffering from an identity crisis, the game doesn't stand out from other shooters, abysmal story/characters. It has the fundamentals of a good shooter, but there are PLENTY of good shooters out there, why should I choose this one? See the problem?finalfantasy94

Sounds alot like mw2,gears and a bit of halo(game bored me to tears) and those seem to do well.

Killzone 2 scored the same as a Halo "expansion". Halo Killerzone!

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"]Forgettable game is forgettable. Thanks for reminding us that game existed. Killzone 2 is suffering from an identity crisis, the game doesn't stand out from other shooters, abysmal story/characters. It has the fundamentals of a good shooter, but there are PLENTY of good shooters out there, why should I choose this one? See the problem?peanutbudduh

Sounds alot like mw2,gears and a bit of halo(game bored me to tears) and those seem to do well.

i judge story by the game. I shouldint have to read a book to get the full story. If the story is crap in the game it doesint change anything about the story of the game.

[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Sounds alot like mw2,gears and a bit of halo(game bored me to tears) and those seem to do well.

finalfantasy94

i judge story by the game. I shouldint have to read a book to get the full story. If the story is crap in the game it doesint change anything about the story of the game.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"] You can't put Halo in there just because you think the story isn't there. Read the book.peanutbudduh

i judge story by the game. I shouldint have to read a book to get the full story. If the story is crap in the game it doesint change anything about the story of the game.

Its got a following since it was the biggest thing on xbox and people were having mp lan parties. Thats why it gots its following the mp and gameplay. A great story doesint equal big following. I mean look at gears. Its hugely popular and the story and character is poo. The books were made to capitalize on the following. Its just good business strategy.

Lemmings using KZ2 as the measuring stick pretty much also conceded the fact that it is THE game to beat at the moment.

Lemmings using KZ2 as the measuring stick pretty much also conceded the fact that it is THE game to beat at the moment.

Gxgear

Reach doesn't need to, it will still probably outperform Killzone 2 in the areas that matter (sales, critical acclaim, ongoing online popularity)Anjunaddict

yea killzone 2 online barely has any players... and the controls are whack, it's just a nice looking game.

man i loved killzone 2 aside from BFBC, and warhawk, its one of my favorite mp games this gen. Can not wait till #3

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]Reach doesn't need to, it will still probably outperform Killzone 2 in the areas that matter (sales, critical acclaim, ongoing online popularity)blues35301

[QUOTE="ThePRAssassin"]

..yet Halo 2 still has more people playing it.

Being that these are games and people are supposed to play them, not look at them, I'm sure Bungie is okay with Reach not looking better.

river_rat3117

Lemmings keep clinging on to their great graphical hopes, LOL. When will you lemmings understand. There will never, ever, ever be a game engine made that will cover up forthe short comings of the gimped 360 hardware. The sad thing is, KZ2 isn't even the best looking PS3 game, ROFL.

gamewhat

Meh, KZ2 has it's own community. And the popularity != quality. There are 5 times more MW2 players on steam than TF2 players at this very moment, and it's just PC MW2 which sold bad compared to console versions. And do anyone really thinks that MW2 is better than TF2? I'm okay with the fact that there are millions of Lady Gaga fans and millions of Halo fans out there. Why should I care if I have my KZ2 and my hardcore punk?Orchid87

This ...

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]Reach doesn't need to, it will still probably outperform Killzone 2 in the areas that matter (sales, critical acclaim, ongoing online popularity)blues35301