PS Vita memory cards and other accessories priced by GameStop

[QUOTE="red12355"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Were the game prices confirmed yet? Looking at RE: Revelations priced at $50 i'd think the "top" PSVita software would be the same. The portable market is smaller than it was last gen.

A decent chuck of the causal market are playing games on their smartphones an ipod touches now. Vita could have a launch line-up of 50 games but it means nothing if it lacks a system seller. 3DS now has them this holiday(mario kart 7 and mario 3d land) but ps vita doesn't. What game is going to sell 20+ million units? Uncharted? LBP? Wipeout? C'mon. Those game weren't system sellers for ps3 and their 2nd rate counterparts probably wont for vita.

PSP had strong sales because of how easy it was to play pirated software and monster hunter in japan. Vita will be lucky to get half of psp's LTD sales.

MFDOOM1983

WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK COD IS A LOCK FOR VITA? More COD came out on DS than PSP, and its likely it will release on both 3DS/Vita anyway.

Also, COD isn't exactly as popular on PC or Wii as it is on PS3, or Xbox 360, so why on earth would it sell well on the Vita when it didn't on the PSP?

So the cheapest vita is $280.Kaszilla

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"]So the cheapest vita is $280.PSP107

Of course, that is without, ya know, a video game.

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"]So the cheapest vita is $280.PSP107

3G is the cheapest one now :?

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="red12355"] Uncharted and LBP not a system seller? I disagree. And when CoD for Vita gets released I'm guessing a lot of CoD fans will buy the Vita.bonesawisready5

WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK COD IS A LOCK FOR VITA? More COD came out on DS than PSP, and its likely it will release on both 3DS/Vita anyway.

Also, COD isn't exactly as popular on PC or Wii as it is on PS3, or Xbox 360, so why on earth would it sell well on the Vita when it didn't on the PSP?

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] NSMB(26.88 million) mario kart ds(21 million) vs. uc1(2.6 million) uc2(5million) LBP(3 million) How many times have you seen uc1 or uc2 on the NPD top ten years after they come out? Even now people are still buying a DS with MK or NSMB in their shopping cart. Cod is closest thing vita has that can be considered a system seller announced thus far.

MFDOOM1983

WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK COD IS A LOCK FOR VITA? More COD came out on DS than PSP, and its likely it will release on both 3DS/Vita anyway.

Also, COD isn't exactly as popular on PC or Wii as it is on PS3, or Xbox 360, so why on earth would it sell well on the Vita when it didn't on the PSP?

So why doesn't everyone buy the PC versions? Techincally with the Circle Pad Pro the 3DS can do that too, plus with the CPP the 3DS has 2 more shoulder buttons than a Vita, so it technically would be better, on paper, to play on.

You know Activision won't let you tie them together without making money off of it

The PS vita can offer a home console experience that the 3ds cant mimic. Its up to Sony to take advantage of that. Im sure a CoD game would work wonders.abusedbunny

You know what else can offer a home console experience? Home consoles. Not everyone wants a "me too" device. I don't know why Sony thinks it will work this time, as the PSP dropped off the face of the earth in terms of hardware sales in North America and Europe 2008 and afterwards.

And like I said before, technically with a cheap add on (Circle Pad Pro) the 3DS has more buttons than a Vita.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK COD IS A LOCK FOR VITA? More COD came out on DS than PSP, and its likely it will release on both 3DS/Vita anyway.

Also, COD isn't exactly as popular on PC or Wii as it is on PS3, or Xbox 360, so why on earth would it sell well on the Vita when it didn't on the PSP?

bonesawisready5

So why doesn't everyone buy the PC versions? Techincally with the Circle Pad Pro the 3DS can do that too, plus with the CPP the 3DS has 2 more shoulder buttons than a Vita, so it technically would be better, on paper, to play on.

You know Activision won't let you tie them together without making money off of it

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]ps3 all over again?

MFDOOM1983

PS3 was a failure at $599 with no games at launch.

PSVita is launching at $250 (or $280 when you want to get technical), with the same launch priceas the originalPSP and 3DS. It also hasa huge lineup already.

I think its going to bemore successful than the PSP (which did great at 70million).

The portable market is smaller than it was last gen. A decent chuck of the causal market are playing games on their smartphones an ipod touches now. Vita could have a launch line-up of 50 games but it means nothing if it lacks a system seller. 3DS now has them this holiday(mario kart 7 and mario 3d land) but ps vita doesn't. What game is going to sell 20+ million units? Uncharted? LBP? Wipeout? C'mon. Those game weren't system sellers for ps3 and their 2nd rate counterparts probably wont for vita.

PSP had strong sales because of how easy it was to play pirated software and monster hunter in japan. Vita will be lucky to get half of psp's LTD sales.

Vita is targeting the same crowd PSP had. So I don't believeiOS gaming will have a major impact on it. In fact, you could say the same for the 3DS but it went on tobethe fastest selling system after launch.

Vita has no system seller comparable to the Nintendo franchises, but neither did the PS1/PS2/PSP if you're juding it by 1st Parties. Also, if you look at the launch list, it's very Japan-centric with tons of JRPGs. It won't have any problem getting sales on Japan. I'm hoping the FPS-on the go and some WRPGs can draw the western crowd. But as of the moment, there aren't that many FPS or WRPGs in the PSVita..yet. Anyway, the handheld is shaping up nicely with tons of games for everyone.

[QUOTE="abusedbunny"]The PS vita can offer a home console experience that the 3ds cant mimic. Its up to Sony to take advantage of that. Im sure a CoD game would work wonders.bonesawisready5

You know what else can offer a home console experience? Home consoles. Not everyone wants a "me too" device. I don't know why Sony thinks it will work this time, as the PSP dropped off the face of the earth in terms of hardware sales in North America and Europe 2008 and afterwards.

And like I said before, technically with a cheap add on (Circle Pad Pro) the 3DS has more buttons than a Vita.

Experience depends on software and software is not only Sony, hardware is just a container. DS was really limited compired to PSP and didnt go far from GBA in terms of perfermence, this is why it had simpler games simply because this is how far they could get, now on 3DS you already can see games that you usally seen on PSP, like MGS, RE:R and lets not forget so many times manetioned by sheeps now Monster Hunter.... why? because it can do the same and little more then PSP. If 3DS would be powerful as Vita you would also seen ton of Wii ports.

Simple games are no ruled by phones and portable consoles need to do more then that to survive invation of phone gaming... it need to provide Home Console expirence on the go ofcorse enthanged by benifits of being portable

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="Kaszilla"]So the cheapest vita is $280.bonesawisready5

Of course, that is without, ya know, a video game.

Don't forget the monthly fee for the right to use the 3G.

[QUOTE="PSP107"][QUOTE="Kaszilla"]So the cheapest vita is $280.bonesawisready5

Of course, that is without, ya know, a video game.

3DS once sold for $250...not including any games as well.:?

It went on to have the biggest launch. :?

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"] 3G version= $330 + taxpeterw007

Of course, that is without, ya know, a video game.

Don't forget the monthly fee for the right to use the 3G.

That really depends on operator, in my country you can find prepaid solutions with 3G, like Orange Free

[QUOTE="abusedbunny"]The PS vita can offer a home console experience that the 3ds cant mimic. Its up to Sony to take advantage of that. Im sure a CoD game would work wonders.bonesawisready5

You know what else can offer a home console experience? Home consoles. Not everyone wants a "me too" device. I don't know why Sony thinks it will work this time, as the PSP dropped off the face of the earth in terms of hardware sales in North America and Europe 2008 and afterwards.

And like I said before, technically with a cheap add on (Circle Pad Pro) the 3DS has more buttons than a Vita.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

$250 for no WiFi.

$300 for 3G (+ monthly fee for the data service).

$30 for cheapest card to be able to play all of the games

$120 for most expensive card (only 32 GB)

+ Sales Tax

Wow...Sony is really nickel-and-diming the consumer here.

They're about as bad as Microsoft.

It costs at least $420 plus a monthly fee for the "most complete" version of the Vita.

bonesawisready5

It's only $250 for no wifi? That's a better price than I thought. What they're doing is selling the handheld itself at a loss (probably $100), but making back the money buy encouraging you to buy overpriced memory cards.

I can't stress enough how terrible it is that Sony continues to think the philosphy of taking a loss on Playstation, TV, Cell Phone hardware is a good thing. I can't imagine how many more jobs they could create if they would just charge $20-$50 profit per unit instead of taking a loss.

Nintendo is currently taking at a loss per 3DS sold :?

Anyway,it's their strategy. Shouldn't you be happy we're getting the product at a discount?

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

It's only $250 for no wifi? That's a better price than I thought. What they're doing is selling the handheld itself at a loss (probably $100), but making back the money buy encouraging you to buy overpriced memory cards.

nitekids2004

I can't stress enough how terrible it is that Sony continues to think the philosphy of taking a loss on Playstation, TV, Cell Phone hardware is a good thing. I can't imagine how many more jobs they could create if they would just charge $20-$50 profit per unit instead of taking a loss.

Nintendo is currently taking at a loss per 3DS sold :?

Anyway,it's their strategy. Shouldn't you be happy we're getting the product at a discount?

Please provide a link of Nintendo confirming that they're doing something they didn't even do when they stopped production on the GameCube for 6 months in 2003. They are likely selling it close to a loss, or even, but I doubt they decided to sell it at a loss. It is just a rumor, suddenly everyone forgets the "i heardz a rumor the 3DS only costz $100-$150 to make & there chargin' $250! ahh" from pre-launch.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="abusedbunny"]The PS vita can offer a home console experience that the 3ds cant mimic. Its up to Sony to take advantage of that. Im sure a CoD game would work wonders.MFDOOM1983

You know what else can offer a home console experience? Home consoles. Not everyone wants a "me too" device. I don't know why Sony thinks it will work this time, as the PSP dropped off the face of the earth in terms of hardware sales in North America and Europe 2008 and afterwards.

And like I said before, technically with a cheap add on (Circle Pad Pro) the 3DS has more buttons than a Vita.

That's funny, coz Super Mario 3D Land certainly feels like it could be on the Wii, it sure looks almost as good as Galaxy, and Revelations looks better than any RE on the Wii, and the Wii is current gen, so,...

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"] 3G version= $330 + taxnitekids2004

Of course, that is without, ya know, a video game.

3DS once sold for $250...not including any games as well.:?

It went on to have the biggest launch. :?

Well. techincally the 3DS shipped with Streetpass Puzzle, StreetPass Quest, Face Raiders. Not to mention Excitebike was free on the eShop a month or so later.

The difference is the Vita is $350 with tax in the USA with one memory card, one game. The 3DS sold for $250 with a memory card, without a game, and with a game it was still about $40 cheaper.

None of that really matters now since you can get a 3DS with Zelda, Mario Land, Nintendogs for about half the price of a WiFi Vita with a memory card and 1 game.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

I can't stress enough how terrible it is that Sony continues to think the philosphy of taking a loss on Playstation, TV, Cell Phone hardware is a good thing. I can't imagine how many more jobs they could create if they would just charge $20-$50 profit per unit instead of taking a loss.

bonesawisready5

Nintendo is currently taking at a loss per 3DS sold :?

Anyway,it's their strategy. Shouldn't you be happy we're getting the product at a discount?

Please provide a link of Nintendo confirming that they're doing something they didn't even do when they stopped production on the GameCube for 6 months in 2003. They are likely selling it close to a loss, or even, but I doubt they decided to sell it at a loss. It is just a rumor, suddenly everyone forgets the "i heardz a rumor the 3DS only costz $100-$150 to make & there chargin' $250! ahh" from pre-launch.

Can't link. But you can just type it in Google "Nintendo selling 3DS at a loss" and look at the hundreds of articles about it. Its beensaid by an Analyst through Bloomberg.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Of course, that is without, ya know, a video game.

bonesawisready5

3DS once sold for $250...not including any games as well.:?

It went on to have the biggest launch. :?

Well. techincally the 3DS shipped with Streetpass Puzzle, StreetPass Quest, Face Raiders. Not to mention Excitebike was free on the eShop a month or so later.

The difference is the Vita is $350 with tax in the USA with one memory card, one game. The 3DS sold for $250 with a memory card, without a game, and with a game it was still about $40 cheaper.

None of that really matters now since you can get a 3DS with Zelda, Mario Land, Nintendogs for about half the price of a WiFi Vita with a memory card and 1 game.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

3G version= $330 + taxPSP107

Of course, that is without, ya know, a video game.

Don't forget the monthly fee for the right to use the 3G.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="abusedbunny"]The PS vita can offer a home console experience that the 3ds cant mimic. Its up to Sony to take advantage of that. Im sure a CoD game would work wonders.ShadowriverUB

You know what else can offer a home console experience? Home consoles. Not everyone wants a "me too" device. I don't know why Sony thinks it will work this time, as the PSP dropped off the face of the earth in terms of hardware sales in North America and Europe 2008 and afterwards.

And like I said before, technically with a cheap add on (Circle Pad Pro) the 3DS has more buttons than a Vita.

Experience depends on software and software is not only Sony, hardware is just a container. DS was really limited compired to PSP and didnt go far from GBA in terms of perfermence, this is why it had simpler games simply because this is how far they could get, now on 3DS you already can see games that you usally seen on PSP, like MGS, RE:R and lets not forget so many times manetioned by sheeps now Monster Hunter.... why? because it can do the same and little more then PSP. If 3DS would be powerful as Vita you would also seen ton of Wii ports.

Simple games are no ruled by phones and portable consoles need to do more then that to survive invation of phone gaming... it need to provide Home Console expirence on the go ofcorse enthanged by benifits of being portable

Establishing an identity with IPs like Ace Attorney, Trauma Center, Professor Layton that distiguish the device from its home console counterparts is key too. Sony didn't do that with the PSP as most major PSP releases ended up on the PS2 or PS3. ( I realise the irony in including Trauma Center but TC Wii came out after the DS version, also I know AA got ported from GBA too)

Even though, yes Nintendo will share IPs across handheld and home console from time to time, they have a wider library of IPs that stay exclusive to one platform (Punch Out, Battalion Wars on home consoles)

Like how Nintendo handhelds traditionally have Mario & Luigi, Professor Layton, Pokemon RPGs, Advance Wars, etc. Nintendo hopefully strikes a balance between satisfying the lust for home console experiences on a handheld and making handheld specific experiences. As much as I like Ocarina 3D, I'd rather the new Zelda on 3DS be unique like Phantom Hourglass in some way, not a copy of a Wii/Wii U zelda.

I hope Sony can strike this balance as that will make me buy a Vita, but as of now having been burned by years of PSP ports to superior platforms, I won't invest in one until I know its unique, exclusive games are really just that, exclusive. The whole "buy once get both" scheme is nice, but seems to fly in the face of me finding a reason to buy a device to play games that I can already play on my PS3

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Of course, that is without, ya know, a video game.

bonesawisready5

3DS once sold for $250...not including any games as well.:?

It went on to have the biggest launch. :?

Well. techincally the 3DS shipped with Streetpass Puzzle, StreetPass Quest, Face Raiders. Not to mention Excitebike was free on the eShop a month or so later.

The difference is the Vita is $350 with tax in the USA with one memory card, one game. The 3DS sold for $250 with a memory card, without a game, and with a game it was still about $40 cheaper.

None of that really matters now since you can get a 3DS with Zelda, Mario Land, Nintendogs for about half the price of a WiFi Vita with a memory card and 1 game.

$40 more is not that bad considering the hardware difference. :?

And talking about launch games, I'm pretty sure even you will agree that PS Vita launch games >>>>> 3DS launch games. Heck, the PSV's first year matches up with the games on the 3DS' second year.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="PSP107"] 3G version= $330 + taxpeterw007

Of course, that is without, ya know, a video game.

Don't forget the monthly fee for the right to use the 3G.

you dont have to use it thought. even if it have 3g

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Nintendo is currently taking at a loss per 3DS sold :?

Anyway,it's their strategy. Shouldn't you be happy we're getting the product at a discount?

nitekids2004

Please provide a link of Nintendo confirming that they're doing something they didn't even do when they stopped production on the GameCube for 6 months in 2003. They are likely selling it close to a loss, or even, but I doubt they decided to sell it at a loss. It is just a rumor, suddenly everyone forgets the "i heardz a rumor the 3DS only costz $100-$150 to make & there chargin' $250! ahh" from pre-launch.

Can't link. But you can just type it in Google "Nintendo selling 3DS at a loss" and look at the hundreds of articles about it. Its beensaid by an Analyst through Bloomberg.

Why would I google a rumor? Its a rumor, not fact.

You seriously think after the GameCube still sold at a profit with its low sales, they'd sell the 3DS at a loss? Plz. At the worst, they could be selling at a $10-$20 loss that will easily be managable with some manufacturing changes.

Its a rumor, not fact. It flies in the face of everything nintendo has done and believed in for 20+ years.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Of course, that is without, ya know, a video game.

PSP107

Don't forget the monthly fee for the right to use the 3G.

3g is optional.

That's funny, coz Super Mario 3D Land certainly feels like it could be on the Wii, it sure looks almost as good as Galaxy, and Revelations looks better than any RE on the Wii, and the Wii is current gen, so,...

bonesawisready5

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

3DS once sold for $250...not including any games as well.:?

It went on to have the biggest launch. :?

nitekids2004

Well. techincally the 3DS shipped with Streetpass Puzzle, StreetPass Quest, Face Raiders. Not to mention Excitebike was free on the eShop a month or so later.

The difference is the Vita is $350 with tax in the USA with one memory card, one game. The 3DS sold for $250 with a memory card, without a game, and with a game it was still about $40 cheaper.

None of that really matters now since you can get a 3DS with Zelda, Mario Land, Nintendogs for about half the price of a WiFi Vita with a memory card and 1 game.

$40 more is not that bad considering the hardware difference. :?

And talking about launch games, I'm pretty sure even you will agree that PS Vita launch games >>>>> 3DS launch games. Heck, the PSV's first year matches up with the games on the 3DS' second year.

No, it is my opinion that I'd rather play UC, Modnation, LBP on my PS3 instead of paying $300 to play them on something I may not even take out of the house (and that I can't fit anywhere)

So, I don't agree. Sure, 3DS launch games weren't amazing, but seeing as I own over 10 retail 3DS games (and numerous other downloads) I've enjoyed it more than I can only imagine I would the Vita line up. I haven't played those so I can't for certain, but at face value it doesn't impress me much. (insert Shania Twain photo lol)

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Please provide a link of Nintendo confirming that they're doing something they didn't even do when they stopped production on the GameCube for 6 months in 2003. They are likely selling it close to a loss, or even, but I doubt they decided to sell it at a loss. It is just a rumor, suddenly everyone forgets the "i heardz a rumor the 3DS only costz $100-$150 to make & there chargin' $250! ahh" from pre-launch.

bonesawisready5

Can't link. But you can just type it in Google "Nintendo selling 3DS at a loss" and look at the hundreds of articles about it. Its beensaid by an Analyst through Bloomberg.

Why would I google a rumor? Its a rumor, not fact.

You seriously think after the GameCube still sold at a profit with its low sales, they'd sell the 3DS at a loss? Plz. At the worst, they could be selling at a $10-$20 loss that will easily be managable with some manufacturing changes.

Its a rumor, not fact. It flies in the face of everything nintendo has done and believed in for 20+ years.

Dude, ANALYST words. They study companies...for a living. They may not alwaysbe 100% correct but they do know what they're talking about. Iplan to be an analyst myself someday.

Anyway, I don't see the problem. Cheaper Vita and 3DS benefits consumers? Would you like a $300-$400 Vita instead?

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

That's funny, coz Super Mario 3D Land certainly feels like it could be on the Wii, it sure looks almost as good as Galaxy, and Revelations looks better than any RE on the Wii, and the Wii is current gen, so,...

Eponique

I know, the 3D makes the game. I was trying to state that, in my opinion, if it feels similar to any Nintendo home console, its the Wii IMO.

That also plays into my idea that when Nintendo does have IPs appear on both console and handheld, at least they make each version unique to the platform.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Can't link. But you can just type it in Google "Nintendo selling 3DS at a loss" and look at the hundreds of articles about it. Its beensaid by an Analyst through Bloomberg.

nitekids2004

Why would I google a rumor? Its a rumor, not fact.

You seriously think after the GameCube still sold at a profit with its low sales, they'd sell the 3DS at a loss? Plz. At the worst, they could be selling at a $10-$20 loss that will easily be managable with some manufacturing changes.

Its a rumor, not fact. It flies in the face of everything nintendo has done and believed in for 20+ years.

Dude, ANALYST words. They study companies...for a living. They may not alwaysbe 100% correct but they do know what they're talking about. Iplan to be an analyst myself someday.

Anyway, I don't see the problem. Cheaper Vita and 3DS benefits consumers? Would you like a $300-$400 Vita instead?

Why would an analyst be correct? Why trust that over Nintendo behavior and history over 20 years? A single analyst doesn't make it true at all.

I think the best strategy is to make a profitable device no matter how poorly it sells (something nintendo may or may not have gaffed on) and use the hardware profit to make great software and employ lots of talented game developers. That's just IMO, not fact and not for anyone else to take with any merit.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Well. techincally the 3DS shipped with Streetpass Puzzle, StreetPass Quest, Face Raiders. Not to mention Excitebike was free on the eShop a month or so later.

The difference is the Vita is $350 with tax in the USA with one memory card, one game. The 3DS sold for $250 with a memory card, without a game, and with a game it was still about $40 cheaper.

None of that really matters now since you can get a 3DS with Zelda, Mario Land, Nintendogs for about half the price of a WiFi Vita with a memory card and 1 game.

bonesawisready5

$40 more is not that bad considering the hardware difference. :?

And talking about launch games, I'm pretty sure even you will agree that PS Vita launch games >>>>> 3DS launch games. Heck, the PSV's first year matches up with the games on the 3DS' second year.

No, it is my opinion that I'd rather play UC, Modnation, LBP on my PS3 instead of paying $300 to play them on something I may not even take out of the house (and that I can't fit anywhere)

So, I don't agree. Sure, 3DS launch games weren't amazing, but seeing as I own over 10 retail 3DS games (and numerous other downloads) I've enjoyed it more than I can only imagine I would the Vita line up. I haven't played those so I can't for certain, but at face value it doesn't impress me much. (insert Shania Twain photo lol)

By your logic, its useless to play FPS/TPS/WRPG in a console considering PC do those genres 2x better (better controls, mods, etc.) yet they are currently the biggest market in consoles atm.

10 retail 3DS games? :?I can barely count the games worth owning right now (SFIV, Super Mario 3DS, Prof Layton - if you understand JP).

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

You know what else can offer a home console experience? Home consoles. Not everyone wants a "me too" device. I don't know why Sony thinks it will work this time, as the PSP dropped off the face of the earth in terms of hardware sales in North America and Europe 2008 and afterwards.

And like I said before, technically with a cheap add on (Circle Pad Pro) the 3DS has more buttons than a Vita.

bonesawisready5

That's funny, coz Super Mario 3D Land certainly feels like it could be on the Wii, it sure looks almost as good as Galaxy, and Revelations looks better than any RE on the Wii, and the Wii is current gen, so,...

If you consider 30fps and smaller less detailed envirmonets almost as good...;) 3DS is weaker than wii.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Why would I google a rumor? Its a rumor, not fact.

You seriously think after the GameCube still sold at a profit with its low sales, they'd sell the 3DS at a loss? Plz. At the worst, they could be selling at a $10-$20 loss that will easily be managable with some manufacturing changes.

Its a rumor, not fact. It flies in the face of everything nintendo has done and believed in for 20+ years.

bonesawisready5

Dude, ANALYST words. They study companies...for a living. They may not alwaysbe 100% correct but they do know what they're talking about. Iplan to be an analyst myself someday.

Anyway, I don't see the problem. Cheaper Vita and 3DS benefits consumers? Would you like a $300-$400 Vita instead?

Why would an analyst be correct? Why trust that over Nintendo behavior and history over 20 years? A single analyst doesn't make it true at all.

I think the best strategy is to make a profitable device no matter how poorly it sells (something nintendo may or may not have gaffed on) and use the hardware profit to make great software and employ lots of talented game developers. That's just IMO, not fact and not for anyone else to take with any merit.

I'd surely trust an analyst words thanany of our presuppositions right now. :?

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Dude, ANALYST words. They study companies...for a living. They may not alwaysbe 100% correct but they do know what they're talking about. Iplan to be an analyst myself someday.

Anyway, I don't see the problem. Cheaper Vita and 3DS benefits consumers? Would you like a $300-$400 Vita instead?

nitekids2004

Why would an analyst be correct? Why trust that over Nintendo behavior and history over 20 years? A single analyst doesn't make it true at all.

I think the best strategy is to make a profitable device no matter how poorly it sells (something nintendo may or may not have gaffed on) and use the hardware profit to make great software and employ lots of talented game developers. That's just IMO, not fact and not for anyone else to take with any merit.

I'd surely trust an analyst words thanany of our presuppositions right now. :?

You'd trust an analyst's rumor of the 3DS selling at loss after Nintendo refused to sell the Cube at a loss even though they stopped production for half a year in 2003?

Nintendo's entire history goes against that, and that means nothing?

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] With 3ds you get a console like experience from two gens ago.;)

MFDOOM1983

That's funny, coz Super Mario 3D Land certainly feels like it could be on the Wii, it sure looks almost as good as Galaxy, and Revelations looks better than any RE on the Wii, and the Wii is current gen, so,...

If you consider 30fps and smaller less detailed envirmonets almost as good...;) 3DS is weaker than wii.

You could, and bravo. I've seen some of it (Escape Plan, Sound Shapes0) and while neat, none of it generates much interest in me. Just like I'm sure plenty of 3DS games generate no interest in a lot of people. Its just IMO.

Also, err, Mario Kart 7 AND Tekken 3D run in 60fps in FULL 3D.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Why would an analyst be correct? Why trust that over Nintendo behavior and history over 20 years? A single analyst doesn't make it true at all.

I think the best strategy is to make a profitable device no matter how poorly it sells (something nintendo may or may not have gaffed on) and use the hardware profit to make great software and employ lots of talented game developers. That's just IMO, not fact and not for anyone else to take with any merit.

bonesawisready5

I'd surely trust an analyst words thanany of our presuppositions right now. :?

You'd trust an analyst's rumor of the 3DS selling at loss after Nintendo refused to sell the Cube at a loss even though they stopped production for half a year in 2003?

Nintendo's entire history goes against that, and that means nothing?

The past is never an indication of the future.

It's the first time Ninty also released a $250 handheld. And it's the first time a competitor priced it similar to theirs.

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[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

$40 more is not that bad considering the hardware difference. :?

And talking about launch games, I'm pretty sure even you will agree that PS Vita launch games >>>>> 3DS launch games. Heck, the PSV's first year matches up with the games on the 3DS' second year.

nitekids2004

No, it is my opinion that I'd rather play UC, Modnation, LBP on my PS3 instead of paying $300 to play them on something I may not even take out of the house (and that I can't fit anywhere)

So, I don't agree. Sure, 3DS launch games weren't amazing, but seeing as I own over 10 retail 3DS games (and numerous other downloads) I've enjoyed it more than I can only imagine I would the Vita line up. I haven't played those so I can't for certain, but at face value it doesn't impress me much. (insert Shania Twain photo lol)

By your logic, its useless to play FPS/TPS/WRPG in a console considering PC do those genres 2x better (better controls, mods, etc.) yet they are currently the biggest market in consoles atm.

10 retail 3DS games? :?I can barely count the games worth owning right now (SFIV, Super Mario 3DS, Prof Layton - if you understand JP).

Dude, its just my opinion. Not fact, and no one else should go by it. I said "my opinion" at the beginning.

Just like its your opinion there isn't much on 3DS worth owning. Two different opinions. Neither is correct, neither is incorrect.

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Don't forget the monthly fee for the right to use the 3G.

3g is optional.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

No, it is my opinion that I'd rather play UC, Modnation, LBP on my PS3 instead of paying $300 to play them on something I may not even take out of the house (and that I can't fit anywhere)

So, I don't agree. Sure, 3DS launch games weren't amazing, but seeing as I own over 10 retail 3DS games (and numerous other downloads) I've enjoyed it more than I can only imagine I would the Vita line up. I haven't played those so I can't for certain, but at face value it doesn't impress me much. (insert Shania Twain photo lol)

bonesawisready5

By your logic, its useless to play FPS/TPS/WRPG in a console considering PC do those genres 2x better (better controls, mods, etc.) yet they are currently the biggest market in consoles atm.

10 retail 3DS games? :?I can barely count the games worth owning right now (SFIV, Super Mario 3DS, Prof Layton - if you understand JP).

Dude, its just my opinion. Not fact, and no one else should go by it. I said "my opinion" at the beginning.

Just like its your opinion there isn't much on 3DS worth owning. Two different opinions. Neither is correct, neither is incorrect.

I know, I'm just puzzled by the fact you own 10 3DS games when you can barely find anything in the Vita considering both overlap on several genres.

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Why would I google a rumor? Its a rumor, not fact.

You seriously think after the GameCube still sold at a profit with its low sales, they'd sell the 3DS at a loss? Plz. At the worst, they could be selling at a $10-$20 loss that will easily be managable with some manufacturing changes.

Its a rumor, not fact. It flies in the face of everything nintendo has done and believed in for 20+ years.

bonesawisready5

Dude, ANALYST words. They study companies...for a living. They may not alwaysbe 100% correct but they do know what they're talking about. Iplan to be an analyst myself someday.

Anyway, I don't see the problem. Cheaper Vita and 3DS benefits consumers? Would you like a $300-$400 Vita instead?

Why would an analyst be correct? Why trust that over Nintendo behavior and history over 20 years? A single analyst doesn't make it true at all.

I think the best strategy is to make a profitable device no matter how poorly it sells (something nintendo may or may not have gaffed on) and use the hardware profit to make great software and employ lots of talented game developers. That's just IMO, not fact and not for anyone else to take with any merit.

Becuase there too many factors to make same things over and over again, there too many thigns changing to do so, history is history, today is today

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

I'd surely trust an analyst words thanany of our presuppositions right now. :?

nitekids2004

You'd trust an analyst's rumor of the 3DS selling at loss after Nintendo refused to sell the Cube at a loss even though they stopped production for half a year in 2003?

Nintendo's entire history goes against that, and that means nothing?

The past is never an indication of the future.

It's the first time Ninty also released a $250 handheld. And it's the first time a competitor priced it similar to theirs.

Certainly there is a chance Sony would've considered a higher price ($279, $299) to make back some money if they knew in the months leading up to E3 that the 3DS would be $169-$199 bundles with a game.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

By your logic, its useless to play FPS/TPS/WRPG in a console considering PC do those genres 2x better (better controls, mods, etc.) yet they are currently the biggest market in consoles atm.

10 retail 3DS games? :?I can barely count the games worth owning right now (SFIV, Super Mario 3DS, Prof Layton - if you understand JP).

nitekids2004

Dude, its just my opinion. Not fact, and no one else should go by it. I said "my opinion" at the beginning.

Just like its your opinion there isn't much on 3DS worth owning. Two different opinions. Neither is correct, neither is incorrect.

I know, I'm just puzzled by the fact you own 10 3DS games when you can barely find anything in the Vita considering both overlap on several genres.

Yea, like I said I represent no one but myself. I'd buy Sound Shapes, maybe even Gravity Daze on my PS3. Uncharted GA looks awesome to be on a handheld, but i'm still waiting to buy UC3 after I loved UC2's multiplayer. Btw, does GA have multiplayer online?

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

That's funny, coz Super Mario 3D Land certainly feels like it could be on the Wii, it sure looks almost as good as Galaxy, and Revelations looks better than any RE on the Wii, and the Wii is current gen, so,...

bonesawisready5

If you consider 30fps and smaller less detailed envirmonets almost as good...;) 3DS is weaker than wii.

You could, and bravo. I've seen some of it (Escape Plan, Sound Shapes0) and while neat, none of it generates much interest in me. Just like I'm sure plenty of 3DS games generate no interest in a lot of people. Its just IMO.

Also, err, Mario Kart 7 AND Tekken 3D run in 60fps in FULL 3D.

$120 for a 32 GB memory card?

We could almost buy our own 3DS for that!

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Dude, its just my opinion. Not fact, and no one else should go by it. I said "my opinion" at the beginning.

Just like its your opinion there isn't much on 3DS worth owning. Two different opinions. Neither is correct, neither is incorrect.

bonesawisready5

I know, I'm just puzzled by the fact you own 10 3DS games when you can barely find anything in the Vita considering both overlap on several genres.

Yea, like I said I represent no one but myself. I'd buy Sound Shapes, maybe even Gravity Daze on my PS3. Uncharted GA looks awesome to be on a handheld, but i'm still waiting to buy UC3 after I loved UC2's multiplayer. Btw, does GA have multiplayer online?

I don't think there's online. Which is disappointing if people are looking forward to its MP.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] And i can make a list of unique vita software not like anything on consoles, so... Why is it bad that people want certain games to control, look, preform like their console counterparts? Just because it's on a smaller screen doesn't mean i should lower my standards.

If you consider 30fps and smaller less detailed envirmonets almost as good...;) 3DS is weaker than wii.

MFDOOM1983

You could, and bravo. I've seen some of it (Escape Plan, Sound Shapes0) and while neat, none of it generates much interest in me. Just like I'm sure plenty of 3DS games generate no interest in a lot of people. Its just IMO.

Also, err, Mario Kart 7 AND Tekken 3D run in 60fps in FULL 3D.

Ok cool bro. The 3DS isn't a Wii. The Wii can push more polys while the 3DS has more RAM or something

I don't really care. All I know is two games I'm looking forward to, Tekken and MK7, run in 60fps in full 3D.

To be fair, if Mario Kart 7 can run at 60 fps in full 3D (during online too) then one can only assume Nintendo probably could've done the same for 3D Land, but we'll never know

Well it seems like the Vita is losing that appeal each time Sony has alittle more information to share and that price point is looking less and less appealing.

How on Earth anyone can defend these prices is beyond me. With the prices of SD cards and Memory Stick Pro Duos (Sony's own format by the way) being as low as they are spending nearly half the amount of the Vita on a 32GB memory card is ridiculous. This fact is made even worse because certain games (Uncharted: Golden Abyss being the biggest one) require a memory card to save and let's not forget that the Vita will support downloadable games and DLC as well. So if you are planning on putting in some serious use with your Vita and making use of the PSN then get ready to shell out some serious cash for these memory cards.

Seems like a dumb move to me when there are better options and the fact that the Vita doesn't even come with a memory card just makes this all the worse. There is no way these things cost that much to make and this just seems like an area where Sony will be making a huge profit.

Looks like Sony is going to let a few bad decisions hold them back again and let Nintendo come out looking as the more appealing option.