PS3 exclusives greatly benefit from Blu-ray, but what about multiplats?

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#152 Kickinurass
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

You have a strange definition of necessary.

GamerwillzPS

Google is your friend.

Good luck with your research.

Necessary: absolutely needed : required

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Yeah, I'm pretty sure your definition of necessary is wrong. Obviously, by the sheer number of great games not released on Blu-ray, people have been able to get around that whole "absolutely needed" requirement pretty well.

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#153 JohnnyCageMK
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[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] the problem with the 360 is that lems have to pay like $50 for every gb of ripoff proprietary M$ storage so their parents can't afford it. Maynoka

Still better than Cows have to pay $25 for a 4GB Memory card.:lol:

What?4GB memory only $2.

For Vita its $25. A good one is about $100.
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#154 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

You know so little about how things work that it's not even worth discussing things with you. What you need to do is go educate yourself before you talk about things you clearly know nothing about. Here you are confusing a storage medium with programming for a specific type of processor which literally have nothing to do with each other. Then you bring up games like Left 4 Dead and Witcher 2 which aren't on PS3 due to licensing issues and contracts, neither of which have anything to do with technical specifications at all.

Talk about knowing nothing about nothing, kinda surprising considering how much time you spend on a video game forum.

arkephonic

if you're talking about just storage then blu ray still isn't a clear cut winner. sure having multiple discs sucks but swapping out a disc even 5 times still takes less time than ps3's mandatory installs. right now the ideal option would be what pc does and thats just to make everything digital and to put it on the hard drive.

Who cares about an installation that takes place before a game even starts? Are you saying you don't install your Xbox 360 games? When I first got my Xbox 360 4gb, I didn't even play it until I had gotten a 320gb harddrive because the disc drive was so loud that I thought it was hurting my system. I now have 2 Xbox 360 Slims, the other one with a 250gb harddrive, and the disc drive sounds the exact same. It's just that the disc drive on the Xbox 360 Slim is insanely loud. I've heard my friends' Xbox 360 fat and the disc drive is like 5 times as loud as the Slim. When you install a game to the harddrive on the 360, the disc drive isn't even used. It's beyond me how anyone could play an Xbox 360 game without installing it to the harddrive first.

But my main point was, who cares about doing something like an installation before the game even starts? What's annoying is having to stop and do something like change discs multiple times for the Xbox 360 version of Mass Effect 3 when you're right in the middle of playing the game, the point in time where you're supposed to be immersed and into the game. You're not immersed or into the game when installing it, before you even start it or even access the main menu.

my ps3 is much louder and hotter than my slim. and disc swapping isn't that annoying. waiting 30 minutes before you can play your new game. thats annoying.
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#155 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Google is your friend.

Good luck with your research.

Kickinurass

Necessary: absolutely needed : required

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Yeah, I'm pretty sure your definition of necessary is wrong. Obviously, by the sheer number of great games not released on Blu-ray, people have been able to get around that whole "absolutely needed" requirement pretty well.

Yes, necessary is the word I meant. Blu-ray is necessary.

PS3 exclusives have exceeded the capacity that the DVD can hold. So maybe you should get your facts straight before opening your mouth.

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#158 Kickinurass
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Yes, necessary is the word I meant. Blu-ray is necessary.

PS3 exclusives have exceeded the capacity that the DVD can hold. So maybe you should get your facts straight before opening your mouth.

GamerwillzPS

But it's necessary for this generation.

GamerwillzPS

You didn't say anything about the PS3. You just said it was required for this generation, bro.


Blu-ray is required for the PS3 - sure. No argument. Don't really care for the "chicken/egg" debate that results, so whatevers.

Blu-ray is required for this generation? Not quite. The PS3 uses it - the 360 and Wii do not, and both seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. So obviously an overarching blanket statement like the one you provided isn't really indicative of reality.

Perhaps you should pay closer attention to the things you type out? I can't be blamed for the ambiguity of your posts afterall.

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#159 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Yes, necessary is the word I meant. Blu-ray is necessary.

PS3 exclusives have exceeded the capacity that the DVD can hold. So maybe you should get your facts straight before opening your mouth.

Kickinurass

But it's necessary for this generation.

GamerwillzPS

You didn't say anything about the PS3. You just said it was required for this generation, bro.


Blu-ray is required for the PS3 - sure. No argument. Don't really care for the "chicken/egg" debate that results, so whatevers.

Blu-ray is required for this generation? Not quite. The PS3 uses it - the 360 and Wii do not, and both seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. So obviously an overarching blanket statement like the one you provided isn't really indicative of reality.

Perhaps you should pay closer attention to the things you type out? I can't be blamed for the ambiguity of your posts afterall.

Stopped reading there.

Firstly, have a look at this.

Secondly, there are some 360 games that comes with more than 1 disc.

And then you said that 360 is doing pretty well with DVD?

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#160 JohnnyCageMK
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

But it's necessary for this generation.

GamerwillzPS

You didn't say anything about the PS3. You just said it was required for this generation, bro.


Blu-ray is required for the PS3 - sure. No argument. Don't really care for the "chicken/egg" debate that results, so whatevers.

Blu-ray is required for this generation? Not quite. The PS3 uses it - the 360 and Wii do not, and both seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. So obviously an overarching blanket statement like the one you provided isn't really indicative of reality.

Perhaps you should pay closer attention to the things you type out? I can't be blamed for the ambiguity of your posts afterall.

Stopped reading there.

Firstly, have a look at this.

Secondly, there are some 360 games that comes with more than 1 disc.

And then you said that 360 is doing pretty well with DVD?

You stopped reading cuz he owned you. 360 and Wii are both ahead of PS3 without being blu ray players.
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#161 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

You didn't say anything about the PS3. You just said it was required for this generation, bro.


Blu-ray is required for the PS3 - sure. No argument. Don't really care for the "chicken/egg" debate that results, so whatevers.

Blu-ray is required for this generation? Not quite. The PS3 uses it - the 360 and Wii do not, and both seem to be doing pretty well for themselves. So obviously an overarching blanket statement like the one you provided isn't really indicative of reality.

Perhaps you should pay closer attention to the things you type out? I can't be blamed for the ambiguity of your posts afterall.

JohnnyCageMK

Stopped reading there.

Firstly, have a look at this.

Secondly, there are some 360 games that comes with more than 1 disc.

And then you said that 360 is doing pretty well with DVD?

You stopped reading cuz he owned you. 360 and Wii are both ahead of PS3 without being blu ray players.

You never made any sense, so why bother posting?

Since you don't own a PS3, how can you keep talking about something you know nothing about?

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#162 Kickinurass
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Stopped reading there.

Firstly, have a look at this.

Secondly, there are some 360 games that comes with more than 1 disc.

And then you said that 360 is doing pretty well with DVD?

GamerwillzPS

What the hell was the point of your post? :?

I fail to see the relevance of your link. At no point does he say Blu-ray is required, or that the Wii and 360 aren't doing well (He actually says both 360 and PS3 have "enormous challenges"). He makes it known that more space is a great bonus in that it removes Rockstar's storage issues, but that doesn't = absolutely required. Obviously, the team managed to work around the issues to get the game released on the 360.

And yes, there are some 360 games that use more than one disc. There are also PS3 games that require an install. :/ Any other meaningless facts you'd like to add to the discussion.

I personally don't mind either one of them, although my girlfriend gets a bit bummed waiting for the PS3 to update sometimes. I know her excuse - you on the other hand just seemed to be fueled by bias.

You could'vet responded with "Lols" - it would have added more to the discussion.

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#163 kingtito
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Quit talking garbage and go and grab a camera and prove that you are a PS3 owner.

GamerwillzPS

he has a point. :lol:

You two are the cancer of System Wars.

Stupidest people I've ever seen. How can someone in the right mind think like you two?

Pot meet kettle
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#164 Kickinurass
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You stopped reading cuz he owned you. 360 and Wii are both ahead of PS3 without being blu ray players.JohnnyCageMK

I actually didn't say anything about the 360 or Wii being ahead of the PS3. I just said they were doing well for themselves.

Don't agree with me if you're just going to fanboy up my posts in hindsight.

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#165 arkephonic
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Considering more multi-disc 360 games release lately than single disc games just proves that DVD-9 is an issue. As if developers from all over the industry stating it wasn't enough proof.

Uneducated forum users on System Wars may think that DVD-9 is perfectly fine, but meanwhile, industry professionals are saying things like,

"One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc. " - Rockstar Games founder, Sam Houser.

Hmm, who am I going to listen to, some uneducated posters from System Wars or an industry professional who just so happens to be the founder of one of the most respected, commercially and critically acclaimed developers on the planet?

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#166 freedomfreak
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benefit greatly?

bluray?

:lol:

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#167 kingtito
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="Merriam-Webster Dictionary"]

Necessary: absolutely needed : required

GamerwillzPS

Yeah, I'm pretty sure your definition of necessary is wrong. Obviously, by the sheer number of great games not released on Blu-ray, people have been able to get around that whole "absolutely needed" requirement pretty well.

Yes, necessary is the word I meant. Blu-ray is necessary.

PS3 exclusives have exceeded the capacity that the DVD can hold. So maybe you should get your facts straight before opening your mouth.

You keep telling people "to get your facts straight" when you yourself is so full of fail it's hilarious. You keep saying BR is necessay yet all the games that are shared on both platforms are NOT using BR. How is it games like Batman AC( game of year on a lot of sites), GTAIV and RDR don't need BR? They're better than any exclusive game on the PS3 IMO. Necassary means couldn't live or wouldn't work without. Seems to me you need to relearn what necassay truely means and if I were you I'd stop calling people names. If anyone's an idiot it would clearly be you and your narrow minded views.
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#168 arkephonic
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Or how about this, since I've provided about 2 dozen sources from industry professionals saying that DVD is outdated and blu ray is a great solution, why don't you guys provide me with 2 dozen sources of industry professionals who say DVD-9 is a better medium to work with than blu ray. Or how about even 1 source.

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#169 rumbalumba
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lems are hypocrites anyways.

'bluray is soooo unnecessary.!'

*next Xbox specs will use Bluray*

'oh good. now i can play HD movies on my system. booo yah cows! now the Xbox is the complete multimedia experience!'

'MGS4 is like watching a movie blah blah blah.'

*MGS5 announced using the multiplatform FOX enging*

'bahhahaha your exclusive in now lost just like FF13!'

hypocrite and pathetic losers.

:lol:

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#170 kingtito
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Considering more multi-disc 360 games release lately than single disc games just proves that DVD-9 is an issue. As if developers from all over the industry stating it wasn't enough proof.

Uneducated forum users on System Wars may think that DVD-9 is perfectly fine, but meanwhile, industry professionals are saying things like,

"One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc. " - Rockstar Games founder, Sam Houser.

Hmm, who am I going to listen to, some uneducated posters from System Wars or an industry professional who just so happens to be the founder of one of the most respected, commercially and critically acclaimed developers on the planet?

arkephonic
The fact they were able to use more than 1 disc proves it's still a very viable option and BR is NOT necassary after all. I mean how many games were on multiple disc during the PS1 days when DVD or BR weren't around. Would you have called CD-ROM discs out dated then? Didn't think so
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#171 arkephonic
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lems are hypocrites anyways.

'bluray is soooo unnecessary.!'

*next Xbox specs will use Bluray*

'oh good. now i can play HD movies on my system. booo yah cows! now the Xbox is the complete multimedia experience!'

'MGS4 is like watching a movie blah blah blah.'

*MGS5 announced using the multiplatform FOX enging*

'bahhahaha your exclusive in now lost just like FF13!'

hypocrite and pathetic losers.

:lol:

rumbalumba

Or how about,

"I can't wait to see what Halo Forge Mode is like with Blu-ray"!

"I can't wait to use a Forza track editor with Blu-ray"!

:lol:

I provided like 2 dozen sources of industry professionals saying blu ray is a great solution to DVD. For there to be a solution, there needs to be a problem. I'd like to see these lemmings find even 1 source of some industry professionals saying that DVD is better than blu ray for games.

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#172 arkephonic
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[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Considering more multi-disc 360 games release lately than single disc games just proves that DVD-9 is an issue. As if developers from all over the industry stating it wasn't enough proof.

Uneducated forum users on System Wars may think that DVD-9 is perfectly fine, but meanwhile, industry professionals are saying things like,

"One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc. " - Rockstar Games founder, Sam Houser.

Hmm, who am I going to listen to, some uneducated posters from System Wars or an industry professional who just so happens to be the founder of one of the most respected, commercially and critically acclaimed developers on the planet?

kingtito

The fact they were able to use more than 1 disc proves it's still a very viable option and BR is NOT necassary after all. I mean how many games were on multiple disc during the PS1 days when DVD or BR weren't around. Would you have called CD-ROM discs out dated then? Didn't think so

Actually yeah, CD-ROMS were outdated. Why do you think they got replaced by DVD? :lol:

I swear, some of you guys must have been born yesterday.

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#173 rumbalumba
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[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Considering more multi-disc 360 games release lately than single disc games just proves that DVD-9 is an issue. As if developers from all over the industry stating it wasn't enough proof.

Uneducated forum users on System Wars may think that DVD-9 is perfectly fine, but meanwhile, industry professionals are saying things like,

"One of the problems with the 360, and it affects games like Grand Theft Auto if you think about how much content we put in the actual machine, is the fact that they don't have a significantly larger storage medium than the previous systems. It's a slightly bigger DVD disc. " - Rockstar Games founder, Sam Houser.

Hmm, who am I going to listen to, some uneducated posters from System Wars or an industry professional who just so happens to be the founder of one of the most respected, commercially and critically acclaimed developers on the planet?

kingtito

The fact they were able to use more than 1 disc proves it's still a very viable option and BR is NOT necassary after all. I mean how many games were on multipledisc during the PS1 days when DVD or BR weren't around. Would you have called CD-ROM discs out dated then? Didn't think so

pathetic logic is pathetic. it's like saying Bluray is out-date now because in the future we'll have a better medium.


puhlease. when the CD-ROM was released, there were no other way to store media and bring it to home systems. on 1995 there were no DVDs.

when the PS2 came, why didn't it use CD-ROMs? because there already was a better medium: the DVD.

when the PS3 came, why didn't it use the DVD? because there already was Bluray.



do you realize how pathetic your post was? the fact that the 360 chose to use DVDs even if Bluray was already around. that means the DVD will soon be out-dated. maybe not on 2005, but certainly on 2010. when you bought your 360, did you think DVDs will magically last for 7 more years as the preferred medium and games won't get bigger in size, or won't be in multiple discs?

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#174 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Stopped reading there.

Firstly, have a look at this.

Secondly, there are some 360 games that comes with more than 1 disc.

And then you said that 360 is doing pretty well with DVD?

Kickinurass

What the hell was the point of your post? :?

I fail to see the relevance of your link. At no point does he say Blu-ray is required, or that the Wii and 360 aren't doing well (He actually says both 360 and PS3 have "enormous challenges"). He makes it known that more space is a great bonus in that it removes Rockstar's storage issues, but that doesn't = absolutely required. Obviously, the team managed to work around the issues to get the game released on the 360.

And yes, there are some 360 games that use more than one disc. There are also PS3 games that require an install. :/ Any other meaningless facts you'd like to add to the discussion.

I personally don't mind either one of them, although my girlfriend gets a bit bummed waiting for the PS3 to update sometimes. I know her excuse - you on the other hand just seemed to be fueled by bias.

You could'vet responded with "Lols" - it would have added more to the discussion.

:shock:

Are you that simple?

This is Blu-ray vs. DVD we are talking about. You failed to see the relevance of my link? Well, you are obviously stupid. This argument is done.

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#175 ShadowsDemon
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Quite a good list, actually. It shows just how much better Blu-ray is than DVD9.
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#176 kuraimen
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lems are hypocrites anyways.

'bluray is soooo unnecessary.!'

*next Xbox specs will use Bluray*

'oh good. now i can play HD movies on my system. booo yah cows! now the Xbox is the complete multimedia experience!'

'MGS4 is like watching a movie blah blah blah.'

*MGS5 announced using the multiplatform FOX enging*

'bahhahaha your exclusive in now lost just like FF13!'

hypocrite and pathetic losers.

:lol:

rumbalumba
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#177 GamerwillzPS
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benefit greatly?

bluray?

:lol:

freedomfreak

Huh?

You just read the facts right in the OP, and you are saying this?

Yeah right. Nice dodging, stupid 360 fanboy.

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#178 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

lems are hypocrites anyways.

'bluray is soooo unnecessary.!'

*next Xbox specs will use Bluray*

'oh good. now i can play HD movies on my system. booo yah cows! now the Xbox is the complete multimedia experience!'

'MGS4 is like watching a movie blah blah blah.'

*MGS5 announced using the multiplatform FOX enging*

'bahhahaha your exclusive in now lost just like FF13!'

hypocrite and pathetic losers.

:lol:

arkephonic

Or how about,

"I can't wait to see what Halo Forge Mode is like with Blu-ray"!

"I can't wait to use a Forza track editor with Blu-ray"!

:lol:

I provided like 2 dozen sources of industry professionals saying blu ray is a great solution to DVD. For there to be a solution, there needs to be a problem. I'd like to see these lemmings find even 1 source of some industry professionals saying that DVD is better than blu ray for games.

:lol: Lems are god damn funny!

They are hyping Forza track editor with Blu-ray! :lol:

Goes to show how stupid those guys are...

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#179 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

benefit greatly?

bluray?

:lol:

GamerwillzPS

Huh?

You just read the facts right in the OP, and you are saying this?

Yeah right. Nice dodging, stupid 360 fanboy.

Hi Gamerwillz.

It's a fvcking arkephonic thread; I didn't read.
I have yet to see these great benefits. 1 disk? Cool. Besides that...uhmmm not a fvcking lot.

lol 360 fanboy; stop fvcking cow"ing willz.
Don't expect me to fvcking argue with you because you'll just back out and start saying the same fvcking stupid sh!t in another thread.

Oh yeah. I fvcking went there.
j/k :P

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#180 Kickinurass
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:shock:

Are you that simple?

This is Blu-ray vs. DVD we are talking about. You failed to see the relevance of my link? Well, you are obviously stupid. This argument is done.

GamerwillzPS

Blu-ray vs DVD? In regards to game development, the extra storage capacity of Blu-ray obviously helped. Similarly, the faster speed of the 360's DVD drive vs the PS3's Blu-ray drive also helps. Which one is better is a question better left to developers. I never argued the merits of Blu-ray over DVD or vide versa.

However, that's not what we were discussing at all. That link said nothing of Blu-ray being required, which what I originally called you out on.

I'm beginning to question your reading comprehension :?

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#181 freedomfreak
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That "j/k :P" part isn't furrealz.

Your fvcking stupidity amazes me.

j/k :P

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#182 Plagueless
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[QUOTE="rumbalumba"]

lems are hypocrites anyways.

'bluray is soooo unnecessary.!'

*next Xbox specs will use Bluray*

'oh good. now i can play HD movies on my system. booo yah cows! now the Xbox is the complete multimedia experience!'

'MGS4 is like watching a movie blah blah blah.'

*MGS5 announced using the multiplatform FOX enging*

'bahhahaha your exclusive in now lost just like FF13!'

hypocrite and pathetic losers.

:lol:

arkephonic

Or how about,

"I can't wait to see what Halo Forge Mode is like with Blu-ray"!

"I can't wait to use a Forza track editor with Blu-ray"!

:lol:

I provided like 2 dozen sources of industry professionals saying blu ray is a great solution to DVD. For there to be a solution, there needs to be a problem. I'd like to see these lemmings find even 1 source of some industry professionals saying that DVD is better than blu ray for games.

Umm....that will be on next-gen consoles with more processing power. Yeah, I am excited to see what they do next gen when Halo is on a Blu-ray. However, it only matters because the console will actually be able to do something with that extra space, unlike the PS3 where it is only used for duplicate data.
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#183 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

benefit greatly?

bluray?

:lol:

freedomfreak

Huh?

You just read the facts right in the OP, and you are saying this?

Yeah right. Nice dodging, stupid 360 fanboy.

Hi Gamerwillz.

It's a fvcking arkephonic thread; I didn't read.
I have yet to see these great benefits. 1 disk? Cool. Besides that...uhmmm not a fvcking lot.

lol 360 fanboy; stop fvcking cow"ing willz.
Don't expect me to fvcking argue with you because you'll just back out and start saying the same fvcking stupid sh!t in another thread.

Oh yeah. I fvcking went there.
j/k :P

You okay? What's with all the F words? :P

The real benefit is that GTA IV would have been much better if the Xbox 360 had utilised Blu-ray. I posted a link few lines up - check it out.

Same thing could be said with other multiplats, and PS3 exclusives are already using BD's advantage effectively.

Hell, why am I saying this? It's a repetition. Arkephonic have explained it perfectly with factual evidences in his OP.

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#184 arkephonic
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Huh?

You just read the facts right in the OP, and you are saying this?

Yeah right. Nice dodging, stupid 360 fanboy.

GamerwillzPS

Hi Gamerwillz.

It's a fvcking arkephonic thread; I didn't read.
I have yet to see these great benefits. 1 disk? Cool. Besides that...uhmmm not a fvcking lot.

lol 360 fanboy; stop fvcking cow"ing willz.
Don't expect me to fvcking argue with you because you'll just back out and start saying the same fvcking stupid sh!t in another thread.

Oh yeah. I fvcking went there.
j/k :P

You okay? What's with all the F words? :P

The real benefit is that GTA IV would have been much better if the Xbox 360 had utilised Blu-ray. I posted a link few lines up - check it out.

Same thing could be said with other multiplats, and PS3 exclusives are already using BD's advantage effectively.

Hell, why am I saying this? It's a repetition. Arkephonic have explained it perfectly with factual evidences in his OP.

But you see, the Lemming argument is to just not read the OP. :P

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#185 freedomfreak
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You okay? What's with all the F words? :P

The real benefit is that GTA IV would have been much better if the Xbox 360 had utilised Blu-ray. I posted a link few lines up - check it out.

Same thing could be said with other multiplats, and PS3 exclusives are already using BD's advantage effectively.

Hell, why am I saying this? It's a repetition. Arkephonic have explained it perfectly with factual evidences in his OP.

GamerwillzPS


Lost a fvcking bet.

I have yet to see these "benefits". Do the fvcking games run/look better because of bluray? No,not really.
Perhaps we have different fvcking definitions regarding "great fvcking benefits"?

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#186 freedomfreak
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But you see, the Lemming argument is to just not read the OP. :P

arkephonic


Only yours.

Something all fvcking factions can agree about.

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#187 delta3074
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Considering more multi-disc 360 games release lately than single disc gamesarkephonic

BS, pure and simple, i play virtually every new release except sports games ,Racers and fighters and i have bought more single disk games lately than multiple disk games, i suggest you go do your research, i don't even have to to realise yoy are talking rubbish, the only really high profile games that have launched with multiple disks on the 360 is FFXII-2, Max payne and ME3.

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#188 Kickinurass
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Lost a fvcking bet.

I have yet to see these "benefits". Do the fvcking games run/look better because of bluray? No,not really.
Perhaps we have different fvcking definitions regarding "great fvcking benefits"?

freedomfreak

Lolz another one? What was it this time? I feel like you just got finished with the :|'s

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#189 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

Lost a fvcking bet.

I have yet to see these "benefits". Do the fvcking games run/look better because of bluray? No,not really.
Perhaps we have different fvcking definitions regarding "great fvcking benefits"?

Kickinurass

Lolz another one? What was it this time? I feel like you just got finished with the :|'s

Excessive use of th0 fvckinge word "fvck". I fvcking hyped lollipop chainsaw AA.
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#190 SUD123456
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[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

The fact that most PC's don't use Blu-ray isn't a good comparison, because with the PC, you either use digital distribution or if you buy retail, you just install the discs and then you never have to use the discs again, and if you do, you only need to use one of the discs to play.

With the Xbox 360, you need to change discs regardless of installation, leading to annoyances like this.

"The real disappointment with the 360 version is Bioware's decision to slice its content across two DVDs, awkwardly forcing a divide between the main story and the side-missions. For a completist, this will doubtless result in multiple disc-swaps between its 50-plus missions. Meanwhile, the PS3 version naturally sidesteps the issue altogether by brute force of the Blu-ray disc's higher capacity, allowing you to dive into the optional content seamlessly from the main quest."

arkephonic

Nonsense. It debunks the myth that somehow BD magically adds to content, length or graphics. It does none of those things. It is simply storage. More storage is good. Scratch resistance is good. In those senses BD is good for the PS3.

It also comes with a first gen sloooow BD drive. Which leads to many mandatory installs and other tradeoffs in performance.

The smart thing Sony did was having a mandatory HDD for every SKU as it allows them to deal better with the tradeoffs caused by the 1st gen BD drive.

The dumb thing Sony did was using BD at all since they already decided to go with a mandatory HDD. They could have launched earlier, at a cheaper price point, with DVD and a HDD thereby overcoming the weaknessness that 360 has with DVD but no mandatory HDD.

But for Sony, BD was never about gaming which is why they launched later at a higher price and lost $$$ and marketshare with no material improvement in the actual games. Disk swaps. Oh, the horror of it all!!!!!... on the handful of games....uh, yeah...ahem.

But good for you cows lapping up all that Sony milk.

Storage has always been a problem for consoles. Nintendo 64 had a fraction of the storage of the PS1, and it was a miracle that games like Resident Evil 2 even came to the N64. A game like Metal Gear Solid wouldn't have even been possible on the Nintendo 64 because of all the things like cutscenes and voice acting. MGS was only on 2 discs, now imagine a game like Final Fantasy IX which spanned 4 discs? The CDs on PS1 could store about 700 megabytes of data, whereas a cartridge on the N64 could only store 64 megabytes unless it was a special cartridge like in the case of Resident Evil 2.

Part of the reason that Nintendo 64 used a limited storage capacity cartridge was to prevent piracy, which is the exact same reason they used a mini disc solution in the Gamecube, and use a proprietary disc format in all of their consoles including the Wii and upcoming Wii U. The Gamecube was the only system last gen to have multiple disc games, and that's because storage became a problem on the mini discs.

It's all about the evolution of gaming, which goes hand in hand with games becoming larger and larger in size. If DVD was a sufficient storage medium for gaming, games wouldn't be releasing on 2, 3, sometimes 4 discs for the Xbox 360. Multiple disc games is always a clear cut sign that a change needs to be made, it always has been. This is much more applicable to consoles because consoles require each disc for playing, requiring the specific disc to be in the console pertaining to the specific part of the game. With PC, you install the discs and put them in storage, you don't need them anymore. That's not the case with consoles.

The only people defending DVD are fanboys. History goes against these fanboys, and industry professionals from all over have voiced their opinions which disagree with these fanboys. Once multple disc games start coming out on a consistent basis, a time for change is there. The PS3 side stepped the issue entirely, just like they did with the DVD on PS2 and just like they did with Blu-ray on PS3. Developers from all over have gone on record saying that the DVD format is dated and Blu-ray is a welcomed solution, as evidenced in the quotes in my original post. There's a reason all next gen systems will use either Blu-ray or another high capacity storage medium alternative.

Long story short, the only people that disagree are fanboys.

Long story short is that you just agreed with me. Blu-ray has nothing to do with length of game, content, or graphics.

You just wrote 1,000 words about convenience, storage, and swapping disks.

No doubt DVD's time is over. But WTF does that have to do with 2005 when X360 launched? Are you cows all stupid or do you all own time machines?

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#191 Shockwave-DASH
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[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] Hi Gamerwillz.

It's a fvcking arkephonic thread; I didn't read.
I have yet to see these great benefits. 1 disk? Cool. Besides that...uhmmm not a fvcking lot.

lol 360 fanboy; stop fvcking cow"ing willz.
Don't expect me to fvcking argue with you because you'll just back out and start saying the same fvcking stupid sh!t in another thread.

Oh yeah. I fvcking went there.
j/k :P

arkephonic

You okay? What's with all the F words? :P

The real benefit is that GTA IV would have been much better if the Xbox 360 had utilised Blu-ray. I posted a link few lines up - check it out.

Same thing could be said with other multiplats, and PS3 exclusives are already using BD's advantage effectively.

Hell, why am I saying this? It's a repetition. Arkephonic have explained it perfectly with factual evidences in his OP.

But you see, the Lemming argument is to just not read the OP. :P

Do you have a PSvita? Off-topic.
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#192 arkephonic
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[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

You okay? What's with all the F words? :P

The real benefit is that GTA IV would have been much better if the Xbox 360 had utilised Blu-ray. I posted a link few lines up - check it out.

Same thing could be said with other multiplats, and PS3 exclusives are already using BD's advantage effectively.

Hell, why am I saying this? It's a repetition. Arkephonic have explained it perfectly with factual evidences in his OP.

Shockwave-DASH

But you see, the Lemming argument is to just not read the OP. :P

Do you have a PSvita? Off-topic.

Just got one about a week ago. :D

img1230ha.jpg

It's sooo sweet!

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#193 Shockwave-DASH
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[QUOTE="Shockwave-DASH"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

But you see, the Lemming argument is to just not read the OP. :P

arkephonic

Do you have a PSvita? Off-topic.

Just got one about a week ago. :D

img1230ha.jpg

It's sooo sweet!

Yo know any places that have any deals on it? I got stiffed at a sotre they gave me a 3DS instead no joke, lol. I threw away the receipt so I can't prove it. (I'll give you 7 wii games for it.)
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#194 sonic1564
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Hi Gamerwillz.


It's a fvcking arkephonic thread; I didn't read.
I have yet to see these great benefits. 1 disk? Cool. Besides that...uhmmm not a fvcking lot.

lol 360 fanboy; stop fvcking cow"ing willz.
Don't expect me to fvcking argue with you because you'll just back out and start saying the same fvcking stupid sh!t in another thread.

Oh yeah. I fvcking went there.
j/k :P

freedomfreak

If you didn't read, then this should be posted instead:

didn't read lol

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#195 freedomfreak
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didn't read lol

sonic1564


lol,it's fvcking Vito :P

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#196 sonic1564
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I wonder if arkephonic keeps a diary to record his 3-4 step journey from his couch to his xbox in order to change the disc. I can see it all now.

Dear Diary,

Day 1, Step 1

I just stared my journey to my xbox to change the disc. I actually had to stand up today. It was hard, but the pain and misery is all over.

Day 2, Step 2

I made another step to my xbox to change the disc. This step was so painful, I thught that it almost broke my leg. I'm crying for all of this movement that I've done.

Day 3, Step 3

I made yet another step towards my xbox to change the disc. I feel cold and numb. My roomate is staring at me to figure out what I was doing which is the worst journey ever.

Day 4, Step 4

I feel like that this is my fate. I don't want to go out like this. Oh my god this is the final step to my xbox to change the discs. I don't know if I can make it. I've made it yeeeeaaah.

*Xbox RROD for being a lazy @$$ and leaving it on for 4 days.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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.

True Story Bro

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#197 SUD123456
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I wonder if arkephonic keeps a diary to record his 3-4 step journey from his couch to his xbox in order to change the disc. I can see it all now.

Dear Diary,

Day 1, Step 1

I just stared my journey to my xbox to change the disc. I actually had to stand up today. It was hard, but the pain and misery is all over.

Day 2, Step 2

I made another step to my xbox to change the disc. This step was so painful, I thught that it almost broke my leg. I'm crying for all of this movement that I've done.

Day 3, Step 3

I made yet another step towards my xbox to change the disc. I feel cold and numb. My roomate is staring at me to figure out what I was doing which is the worst journey ever.

Day 4, Step 4

I feel like that this is my fate. I don't want to go out like this. Oh my god this is the final step to my xbox to change the discs. I don't know if I can make it. I've made it yeeeeaaah.

*Xbox RROD for being a lazy @$$ and leaving it on for 4 days.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

.

.

.

True Story Bro

sonic1564

LMAO, so true

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#198 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Quit talking garbage and go and grab a camera and prove that you are a PS3 owner.

GamerwillzPS

he has a point. :lol:

You two are the cancer of System Wars.

Stupidest people I've ever seen. How can someone in the right mind think like you two?

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#199 arkephonic
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[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Considering more multi-disc 360 games release lately than single disc gamesdelta3074

BS, pure and simple, i play virtually every new release except sports games ,Racers and fighters and i have bought more single disk games lately than multiple disk games, i suggest you go do your research, i don't even have to to realise yoy are talking rubbish, the only really high profile games that have launched with multiple disks on the 360 is FFXII-2, Max payne and ME3.

Apparently you don't play every new release, because other than Final Fantasy, Max Payne and Mass Effect 3, you have...

The Witcher 2

Battlefield 3

Batman Arkham City GOTY Edition

Metal Gear Solid HD Collection

Dead Space 2

L.A. Noire (3 discs)

Rage

Forza 4

Oblivion GotY Edition

That's just off the top of my head, and those are only popular recent releases. I'm sure there's a ton more like all those older games like Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Halo 3 ODST, Mass Effect 2 etc. etc.

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#200 delta3074
Member since 2007 • 20003 Posts

I wonder if arkephonic keeps a diary to record his 3-4 step journey from his couch to his xbox in order to change the disc. I can see it all now.

Dear Diary,

Day 1, Step 1

I just stared my journey to my xbox to change the disc. I actually had to stand up today. It was hard, but the pain and misery is all over.

Day 2, Step 2

I made another step to my xbox to change the disc. This step was so painful, I thught that it almost broke my leg. I'm crying for all of this movement that I've done.

Day 3, Step 3

I made yet another step towards my xbox to change the disc. I feel cold and numb. My roomate is staring at me to figure out what I was doing which is the worst journey ever.

Day 4, Step 4

I feel like that this is my fate. I don't want to go out like this. Oh my god this is the final step to my xbox to change the discs. I don't know if I can make it. I've made it yeeeeaaah.

*Xbox RROD for being a lazy @$$ and leaving it on for 4 days.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

.

.

.

True Story Bro

sonic1564
this is arkophonic we are talking about, he would have got his parents to pay for a taxi,lol