PS3 Hacker Raised All the Legal Funds Needed to Beat Sony in a Weekend
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[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] This is what you call "will full ignorance." "But judge I didn't know that throwing that penny from the empire state building could land on someones head, honest." That argument doesn't hold up in court buddy.Oh this again, your telling me to grow up when things are released to the public all the time that have positive and negative effects, yet are deemed acceptable. yet some stupid software licening key that at worse lowers the millions a company earns is somehow horrific. seriously. "grow up", your being naive based on a bias towards a hobby. nothing more. I dont see any of you on this board protesting against anything else. There is no ignorance, he knew it, I knew it. But then, hes not the creator of the pirate disc loading software, hes not the creator of call of duty hacks. so, until he is, give it a fkin rest. You can be an accessory to murder. He's an accessory to piracy. Being involved in a crime in any which way still makes you a part of that crime. He's a link in the chain. Any adult who works hard for what they earn can see that because if someone felt entitled to the bread in your mouth you'd be upset. Just because you have billions doesn't entitle anyone to steal a penny from you.This sounds to me like the rationale of entitled disenfranchised teenagers. Grow up.
Bread_or_Decide
Is the designer of the gun "accesssory to murder"? is the man that manufactured it too? Tools created for a purpose. Hacking is a vital part of this industry, im not defending piracy on this occasion, im defending the ability to tinker with all forms of hardware and software.
Gaming consoles are a companies attempt to take and control what the consumor does, buys and is allowed to do. in order to maximize profits. yes profits provide jobs, but it is still a incredible stupid double standard brought about by these companies. The Iphone, a debatable much more important peice of technology is now legal to jailbreak, why? because its potential is met through non-company hired enthusiasts that more often or not deserve to be a on a pay check than the ones employed. You can say im spinning it, but I can say the same to you, this is in no way Black and White, these "high horses" are ridiculous.
You can be an accessory to murder. He's an accessory to piracy. Being involved in a crime in any which way still makes you a part of that crime. He's a link in the chain. Any adult who works hard for what they earn can see that because if someone felt entitled to the bread in your mouth you'd be upset. Just because you have billions doesn't entitle anyone to steal a penny from you.[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Birdy09"] Oh this again, your telling me to grow up when things are released to the public all the time that have positive and negative effects, yet are deemed acceptable. yet some stupid software licening key that at worse lowers the millions a company earns is somehow horrific. seriously. "grow up", your being naive based on a bias towards a hobby. nothing more. I dont see any of you on this board protesting against anything else. There is no ignorance, he knew it, I knew it. But then, hes not the creator of the pirate disc loading software, hes not the creator of call of duty hacks. so, until he is, give it a fkin rest.Birdy09
Is the designer of the gun "accesssory to murder"? is the man that manufactured it too? Tools created for a purpose. Hacking is a vital part of this industry, im not defending piracy on this occasion, im defending the ability to tinker with all forms of hardware and software.
Gaming consoles are a companies attempt to take and control what the consumor does, buys and is allowed to do. in order to maximize profits. yes profits provide jobs, but it is still a incredible stupid double standard brought about by these companies. The Iphone, a debatable much more important peice of technology is now legal to jailbreak, why? because its potential is met through non-company hired enthusiasts that more often or not deserve to be a on a pay check than the ones employed. You can say im spinning it, but I can say the same to you, this is in no way Black and White, these "high horses" are ridiculous.
No but when you purchase a gun your expected to follow the laws while owning it. When you purchase and use a PS3 you agree to terms of use. Terms that nobody ever bothers to read.[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] You can be an accessory to murder. He's an accessory to piracy. Being involved in a crime in any which way still makes you a part of that crime. He's a link in the chain. Any adult who works hard for what they earn can see that because if someone felt entitled to the bread in your mouth you'd be upset. Just because you have billions doesn't entitle anyone to steal a penny from you. Bread_or_Decide
Is the designer of the gun "accesssory to murder"? is the man that manufactured it too? Tools created for a purpose. Hacking is a vital part of this industry, im not defending piracy on this occasion, im defending the ability to tinker with all forms of hardware and software.
Gaming consoles are a companies attempt to take and control what the consumor does, buys and is allowed to do. in order to maximize profits. yes profits provide jobs, but it is still a incredible stupid double standard brought about by these companies. The Iphone, a debatable much more important peice of technology is now legal to jailbreak, why? because its potential is met through non-company hired enthusiasts that more often or not deserve to be a on a pay check than the ones employed. You can say im spinning it, but I can say the same to you, this is in no way Black and White, these "high horses" are ridiculous.
No but when you purchase a gun your expected to follow the laws while owning it. When you purchase and use a PS3 you agree to terms of use. Terms that nobody ever bothers to read. Agreed, though its never in favour of the consumor, if you dont protest something you will always get held down more. Im still waiting for a rebutal about apple on this subject. why do you think apple has legalised jailbreaking hmmm? why cant sony do the same? othr than money grubbing what is your defence?I think this thread is proof that there's a big pirate community around here. Consumer rights my ass. You know what the people that bought a PS3 want? The right to enjoy the console and games they paid for without the interference of cheaters and to be able to access the network they joined without the threat of having their console hacked or their information stolen, including credit card numbers. And when this first broke I called PSN to ask if I should be concerned about using my credit card on PSN now. The tech told me that it is a realistic threat and that he highly recommends only buying PSN retail cards from now on. Just because you're not allowed to discuss hacking and piracy from a personal standpoint on SW, doesn't mean there aren't ways to give yourselves away.incuensuochaI agree pirating is bad but I also don't agree with Sony in this case. Also if you have ever downloaded a music file, a movie, book on pdf, NES rom, copied a cd or movie from a friend, etc you're a pirate.
[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Birdy09"]No but when you purchase a gun your expected to follow the laws while owning it. When you purchase and use a PS3 you agree to terms of use. Terms that nobody ever bothers to read. Agreed, though its never in favour of the consumor, if you dont protest something you will always get held down more. Im still waiting for a rebutal about apple on this subject. why do you think apple has legalised jailbreaking hmmm? why cant sony do the same? othr than money grubbing what is your defence? Legalized jail breaking? Does that mean the warranty will still cover the phone if the third party software breaks it?Is the designer of the gun "accesssory to murder"? is the man that manufactured it too? Tools created for a purpose. Hacking is a vital part of this industry, im not defending piracy on this occasion, im defending the ability to tinker with all forms of hardware and software.
Gaming consoles are a companies attempt to take and control what the consumor does, buys and is allowed to do. in order to maximize profits. yes profits provide jobs, but it is still a incredible stupid double standard brought about by these companies. The Iphone, a debatable much more important peice of technology is now legal to jailbreak, why? because its potential is met through non-company hired enthusiasts that more often or not deserve to be a on a pay check than the ones employed. You can say im spinning it, but I can say the same to you, this is in no way Black and White, these "high horses" are ridiculous.
Birdy09
[QUOTE="incuensuocha"]I think this thread is proof that there's a big pirate community around here. Consumer rights my ass. You know what the people that bought a PS3 want? The right to enjoy the console and games they paid for without the interference of cheaters and to be able to access the network they joined without the threat of having their console hacked or their information stolen, including credit card numbers. And when this first broke I called PSN to ask if I should be concerned about using my credit card on PSN now. The tech told me that it is a realistic threat and that he highly recommends only buying PSN retail cards from now on. Just because you're not allowed to discuss hacking and piracy from a personal standpoint on SW, doesn't mean there aren't ways to give yourselves away.kuraimenI agree pirating is bad but I also don't agree with Sony in this case. Also if you have ever downloaded a music file, a movie, book on pdf, NES rom, copied a cd or movie from a friend, etc you're a pirate. I used Napster. I got a letter from metallica that attempted to sue me for doing so. Napster saw a need the industry refused to fill. Now that MP3's are readily availble I just buy them because in the end I didn't want it FREE I wanted the convenience of instant music whenever I wanted it. Now that the need is filled I no longer need nor want to steal music. It's a phase. I think most people grow out of it. Then again some people just want to steal things and there's no way to fill that need.
I agree pirating is bad but I also don't agree with Sony in this case. Also if you have ever downloaded a music file, a movie, book on pdf, NES rom, copied a cd or movie from a friend, etc you're a pirate.
[QUOTE="incuensuocha"]I think this thread is proof that there's a big pirate community around here. Consumer rights my ass. You know what the people that bought a PS3 want? The right to enjoy the console and games they paid for without the interference of cheaters and to be able to access the network they joined without the threat of having their console hacked or their information stolen, including credit card numbers. And when this first broke I called PSN to ask if I should be concerned about using my credit card on PSN now. The tech told me that it is a realistic threat and that he highly recommends only buying PSN retail cards from now on. Just because you're not allowed to discuss hacking and piracy from a personal standpoint on SW, doesn't mean there aren't ways to give yourselves away.kuraimenIts like sony and co tryng to "phase out" the used-games market, a market that is perfectly fine in every other industry, just because they are digital they feel they have the right to control every ounce of what they provide. I borrow a book off a freind, read it, pass it on... im not a Pirate. Copying/sharing something, while not identical have the same final outcome. "But with a digital copy you can both be doing it at the same time, if you wanted to do that you would have to buy your own" .... well yea ofcourse, thats where the line is drawn between piracy and sharing. but the line is so so full of **** it doesnt take into account the many variables inbetween.,
It's amazing how people will donate to pay for a hacker's legal fees but they won't pay for their video games.TimstuffHow do you know these people are one in the same?
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="incuensuocha"]I think this thread is proof that there's a big pirate community around here. Consumer rights my ass. You know what the people that bought a PS3 want? The right to enjoy the console and games they paid for without the interference of cheaters and to be able to access the network they joined without the threat of having their console hacked or their information stolen, including credit card numbers. And when this first broke I called PSN to ask if I should be concerned about using my credit card on PSN now. The tech told me that it is a realistic threat and that he highly recommends only buying PSN retail cards from now on. Just because you're not allowed to discuss hacking and piracy from a personal standpoint on SW, doesn't mean there aren't ways to give yourselves away.Bread_or_DecideI agree pirating is bad but I also don't agree with Sony in this case. Also if you have ever downloaded a music file, a movie, book on pdf, NES rom, copied a cd or movie from a friend, etc you're a pirate. I used Napster. I got a letter from metallica that attempted to sue me for doing so. Napster saw a need the industry refused to fill. Now that MP3's are readily availble I just buy them because in the end I didn't want it FREE I wanted the convenience of instant music whenever I wanted it. Now that the need is filled I no longer need nor want to steal music. It's a phase. I think most people grow out of it. Then again some people just want to steal things and there's no way to fill that need.
The same here, I now have the money to pay for the things I like so I pay for them. Also digital distribution greatly improves the chances of people paying since it makes it so easy and cheap. I see this Sony-Geohotz battle as part of the pre-step for completely open and unrestrictive systems like there should be.
[QUOTE="incuensuocha"]I think this thread is proof that there's a big pirate community around here. Consumer rights my ass. You know what the people that bought a PS3 want? The right to enjoy the console and games they paid for without the interference of cheaters and to be able to access the network they joined without the threat of having their console hacked or their information stolen, including credit card numbers. And when this first broke I called PSN to ask if I should be concerned about using my credit card on PSN now. The tech told me that it is a realistic threat and that he highly recommends only buying PSN retail cards from now on. Just because you're not allowed to discuss hacking and piracy from a personal standpoint on SW, doesn't mean there aren't ways to give yourselves away.EddieTheHead84
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My wife can be a serious pain in the ass sometimes, though I love her very much. I'm used to getting a little riled up about things :)Agreed, though its never in favour of the consumor, if you dont protest something you will always get held down more. Im still waiting for a rebutal about apple on this subject. why do you think apple has legalised jailbreaking hmmm? why cant sony do the same? othr than money grubbing what is your defence? Legalized jail breaking? Does that mean the warranty will still cover the phone if the third party software breaks it? Ah I was slightly mis-informed, they didnt do it themselves, but they have been overuled. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/27/technology/27iphone.html Warranty? im not sure... I think it stil becomes void for the obvious reason that it can degrade the life-span if not used knowledgeable.[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] No but when you purchase a gun your expected to follow the laws while owning it. When you purchase and use a PS3 you agree to terms of use. Terms that nobody ever bothers to read. Bread_or_Decide
That article sums up my outlook on things. very well.
I agree pirating is bad but I also don't agree with Sony in this case. Also if you have ever downloaded a music file, a movie, book on pdf, NES rom, copied a cd or movie from a friend, etc you're a pirate.Birdy09
[QUOTE="incuensuocha"]I think this thread is proof that there's a big pirate community around here. Consumer rights my ass. You know what the people that bought a PS3 want? The right to enjoy the console and games they paid for without the interference of cheaters and to be able to access the network they joined without the threat of having their console hacked or their information stolen, including credit card numbers. And when this first broke I called PSN to ask if I should be concerned about using my credit card on PSN now. The tech told me that it is a realistic threat and that he highly recommends only buying PSN retail cards from now on. Just because you're not allowed to discuss hacking and piracy from a personal standpoint on SW, doesn't mean there aren't ways to give yourselves away.kuraimenIts like sony and co tryng to "phase out" the used-games market, a market that is perfectly fine in every other industry, just because they are digital they feel they have the right to control every ounce of what they provide. I borrow a book off a freind, read it, pass it on... im not a Pirate. Copying/sharing something, while not identical have the same final outcome. "But with a digital copy you can both be doing it at the same time, if you wanted to do that you would have to buy your own" .... well yea ofcourse, thats where the line is drawn between piracy and sharing. but the line is so so full of **** it doesnt take into account the many variables inbetween.,We wouldn't have to worry about invasive DRM and serial keys if GeoHotz didn't hack the PS3 in the first place. And Sony wouldn't have removed OtherOS if people like GeoHotz and others weren't trying to exploit it. As they say, give them an inch, an they'll take a foot. Sony gave the homebrew community an inch by letting them install linux, and they decided they'd take a foot by hacking into the regular PS3 OS, which could potentially open the floodgates for more piracy and cheating if Sony doesn't kick the hackers in the ass here and now. I would rather keep the rights I have right now of being able to run games without a serial key and play games online uninterupted than to lose everything to "protect" an imaginary right that I had no interest in taking advantage of anyway. I do not need or want homebrew on my PS3. What I DO want though, is to not have invasive copy protection measures installed while GeoHotz and his motly crew can circumvent all of it. They should be the ones getting punished, not me, the paying consumer, and that's what I want to see happen.
[QUOTE="Birdy09"] [QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="incuensuocha"]I think this thread is proof that there's a big pirate community around here. Consumer rights my ass. You know what the people that bought a PS3 want? The right to enjoy the console and games they paid for without the interference of cheaters and to be able to access the network they joined without the threat of having their console hacked or their information stolen, including credit card numbers. And when this first broke I called PSN to ask if I should be concerned about using my credit card on PSN now. The tech told me that it is a realistic threat and that he highly recommends only buying PSN retail cards from now on. Just because you're not allowed to discuss hacking and piracy from a personal standpoint on SW, doesn't mean there aren't ways to give yourselves away.TimstuffIts like sony and co tryng to "phase out" the used-games market, a market that is perfectly fine in every other industry, just because they are digital they feel they have the right to control every ounce of what they provide. I borrow a book off a freind, read it, pass it on... im not a Pirate. Copying/sharing something, while not identical have the same final outcome. "But with a digital copy you can both be doing it at the same time, if you wanted to do that you would have to buy your own" .... well yea ofcourse, thats where the line is drawn between piracy and sharing. but the line is so so full of **** it doesnt take into account the many variables inbetween.,We wouldn't have to worry about invasive DRM and serial keys if GeoHotz didn't hack the PS3 in the first place. And Sony wouldn't have removed OtherOS if people like GeoHotz and others weren't trying to exploit it. As they say, give them an inch, an they'll take a foot. Sony gave the homebrew community an inch by letting them install linux, and they decided they'd take a foot by hacking into the regular PS3 OS, which could potentially open the floodgates for more piracy and cheating if Sony doesn't kick the hackers in the ass here and now. I would rather keep the rights I have right now of being able to run games without a serial key and play games online uninterupted than to lose everything to "protect" an imaginary right that I had no interest in taking advantage of anyway. I do not need or want homebrew on my PS3. What I DO want though, is to not have invasive copy protection measures installed while GeoHotz and his motly crew can circumvent all of it. They should be the ones getting punished, not me, the paying consumer, and that's what I want to see happen. Geohotz and his crew didnt create the applications within homebrew that enable hardrive games to play on the PS3 and the likes, that is a whole other sub-section, yes they open the doors to allow this, but they didnt take part in the piracy, the "pretend ignorance" excuse isnt neccessary, not once has he said he thought it wouldnt happen, it was common sense that it would. Hes burning at the stake while the creator of the application that actually intends piracy is getting away with it. Xbox360 has been homebrewed for years, the wii has been homebrewed for years, DS and PSP aswell along with every smartphone out there, so why on hells earth is the PS3 such a special case? ego's?
Broken egos, they used a method that was very secure, yet very unsecure if discovered, and it happened.
We wouldn't have to worry about invasive DRM and serial keys if GeoHotz didn't hack the PS3 in the first place. And Sony wouldn't have removed OtherOS if people like GeoHotz and others weren't trying to exploit it. As they say, give them an inch, an they'll take a foot. Sony gave the homebrew community an inch by letting them install linux, and they decided they'd take a foot by hacking into the regular PS3 OS, which could potentially open the floodgates for more piracy and cheating if Sony doesn't kick the hackers in the ass here and now. I would rather keep the rights I have right now of being able to run games without a serial key and play games online uninterupted than to lose everything to "protect" an imaginary right that I had no interest in taking advantage of anyway. I do not need or want homebrew on my PS3. What I DO want though, is to not have invasive copy protection measures installed while GeoHotz and his motly crew can circumvent all of it. They should be the ones getting punished, not me, the paying consumer, and that's what I want to see happen. Geohotz and his crew didnt create the applications within homebrew that enable hardrive games to play on the PS3 and the likes, that is a whole other sub-section, yes they open the doors to allow this, but they didnt take part in the piracy, the "pretend ignorance" excuse isnt neccessary, not once has he said he thought it wouldnt happen, it was common sense that it would. Hes burning at the stake while the creator of the application that actually intends piracy is getting away with it. Xbox360 has been homebrewed for years, the wii has been homebrewed for years, DS and PSP aswell along with every smartphone out there, so why on hells earth is the PS3 such a special case? ego's?[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="Birdy09"] Its like sony and co tryng to "phase out" the used-games market, a market that is perfectly fine in every other industry, just because they are digital they feel they have the right to control every ounce of what they provide. I borrow a book off a freind, read it, pass it on... im not a Pirate. Copying/sharing something, while not identical have the same final outcome. "But with a digital copy you can both be doing it at the same time, if you wanted to do that you would have to buy your own" .... well yea ofcourse, thats where the line is drawn between piracy and sharing. but the line is so so full of **** it doesnt take into account the many variables inbetween.,
Birdy09
Broken egos, they used a method that was very secure, yet very unsecure if discovered, and it happened.
It is impossible for them to NOT have know that their work would open the floodgates on piracy. They acted irresponsibly and arrogantly, and they probably broke the law. No matter how much you sugar coat it, they knew what would happen if they released this hack and they did it anyway because they didn't care. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE IN COURT.I know everyone else has tried to use this analogy against you and you successfully ignored the point they were trying to make, but I believe it bears repeating-- if I have a box full of guns, and I go leaving them around town because I don't believe you should have to have a gun license to get a gun, am I respobsible if someone picks up one of those guns and shoots someone with it? The answer is YES, because I WAS THE ONE WHO LEFT THE GUNS OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE! I may not have pulled the trigger, but I enabled the man who did, and that means I own a part of their guilt under the law. The same princple applies to what GeoHotz did-- he knew that his actions would cause damages to Sony, but he wants to pretend that it doesn't matter since he did only provided the hack and didn't tell people to pirate games with it. This line of thinking is illogical and the courts are going to rip him a new one if he tries to pull out that crap as his defense.
You be surprised how many people in game development are supporting this guy, with and without money donations. He can't be held responsilble if other people use the hack to play pirated games. This was never the aim of his hack.ducati101Proof? I'm not doubting you, but I'd like proof that game developers support him.
You be surprised how many people in game development are supporting this guy, with and without money donations. He can't be held responsilble if other people use the hack to play pirated games. This was never the aim of his hack.ducati101
Developers support someone who released a code that could enable people to get Games and DLC for Free and Cheat online.
Why?
To Birdy09:
Why does this topic burns your ass so much? Geohot broke the law. He modified licensed software, and passed the know-how to the public. His "Bu-bu-buh it's not for pirating games" is a baseless claim. He knew the consequences for his actions. But if he did, then why release the hack? Because Geohot wanted his five minutes of fame. it's his ego, not Sonys. Sony is protecting their corporate interests, which, in rebellous teenager speak means: "They are money grubbing bastards! How dare they make profit?" And God forbid they take legal action. Noooo, nononono, we are GAMERS. we are ENTITLED to the products of economic system but we REFUSE to be a part of it.
I don't care about Sony. But I do care about my PS3. I want to keep playing games without evasive security mesures or hackers online as I've done for the past two years. But some Internet nobody had to come and ruin the party for everybody.
I eagerly avait your rebuttal.
[QUOTE="ducati101"]You be surprised how many people in game development are supporting this guy, with and without money donations. He can't be held responsilble if other people use the hack to play pirated games. This was never the aim of his hack.LegatoSkyheart
Developers support someone who released a code that could enable people to get Games and DLC for Free and Cheat online.
Why?
Sigh..... because thats not all it does! and to the other 2 people responding to me. 1) Im not sugur coating anything, im telling you what the deal is and why its widely excepted elsewhere in the industry. Im not ignoring anyones bloody points im saying they are one sided biased "pitchfork" responses to something you quite clearly dont fully understand that laws are reversable and often up for revision SEE THE APPLE LINK I SEND TO BREAD. 2) Johhny, it burns my arse because I know the situational difference between hacking and piracy, and how important it is, always easiest to see the bad, which exists in pretty much anything. the bad only exists due to a companies pre-defined knee-jerk responses to the idea that others can improve apon thier services without demanding so much back. (AGAIN SEE THE APPLE LINK.). Digital Right Acts deem it far across the industry in the west. Piracy will forever and always be a problem, crippling everything else creative because it is just plain and utter stupidity.[QUOTE="ducati101"]You be surprised how many people in game development are supporting this guy, with and without money donations. He can't be held responsilble if other people use the hack to play pirated games. This was never the aim of his hack.Jonzey123Proof? I'm not doubting you, but I'd like proof that game developers support him. You honestly think they would come out officially? I know of one 3rd party developer (not the entire company) that has donated to this guy. According to him, their are others.
[QUOTE="ducati101"]You be surprised how many people in game development are supporting this guy, with and without money donations. He can't be held responsilble if other people use the hack to play pirated games. This was never the aim of his hack.LegatoSkyheart
Developers support someone who released a code that could enable people to get Games and DLC for Free and Cheat online.
Why?
Because that really is the not point of any of this! For example this will help indie developers :)
C'mon! The man belongs in jail! He is a friggin' criminal, he disgusts me. The barethought of someone donating to him makes me sick.I dont want Sony to trample over himShirokishi_
Johhny, it burns my arse because I know the situational difference between hacking and piracy, and how important it is, always easiest to see the bad, which exists in pretty much anything. the bad only exists due to a companies pre-defined knee-jerk responses to the idea that others can improve apon thier services without demanding so much back. (AGAIN SEE THE APPLE LINK.). Digital Right Acts deem it far across the industry in the west. Piracy will forever and always be a problem, crippling everything else creative because it is just plain and utter stupidity.Birdy09
I find your Apple argument not very fitting for this situation. iPhones are not priimarily intended as gaming devices. PS3s are. The custoom firmware allows pirating games, among other things, but why haven't we heard of, let's say, new video codecs for PS3s media player? The majority who use CFW do it to just get free s*it. How noble. But we have Linux now! And a SNES Emulator! And dozens of backup managers! Ain't that worth all the secutity updates Sony shoves down our throats every other day?
Sorry, but I fail to see ANYTHING good come out of this whole ordeal. Geohot dropped the deuce in the punch bowl and he should accept the responsibility for that.
[QUOTE="Jonzey123"][QUOTE="ducati101"]You be surprised how many people in game development are supporting this guy, with and without money donations. He can't be held responsilble if other people use the hack to play pirated games. This was never the aim of his hack.ducati101Proof? I'm not doubting you, but I'd like proof that game developers support him. You honestly think they would come out officially? I know of one 3rd party developer (not the entire company) that has donated to this guy. According to him, their are others. So these developers are afraid of standing up to the corporations who make their business possible, but now they have a noble figurehead to secretly rally around?
Guy is an idiot who deserves to get hammered by Sony. Its funny how all his fellow nerds and hackers gave their allowance money to support him in a fight against a billion dollar corporation. Im sick of hearing about this moron and will refrain from commenting on him anymore. Enjoy your 15 mins of fame while you can Geo.
[QUOTE="ducati101"]You be surprised how many people in game development are supporting this guy, with and without money donations. He can't be held responsilble if other people use the hack to play pirated games. This was never the aim of his hack.LegatoSkyheart
Developers support someone who released a code that could enable people to get Games and DLC for Free and Cheat online.
Why?
Because there is a fundamental difference between what he did and actual piracy... You would be surprised how many software developers have strong feelings about intellectual property and the abuse of copyright law, even to their own detriment. I am among that group... Digital copyright has become absolutely absurd, and the interpretations and laws regarding it have become bloated and ineffective... Fair Use is the only measure within any of the Copyright laws that actually protects an individual's property rights, and that band-aid keeps getting stretched further and further... It sucks because we need Copyright laws for digital media to be profitable, but at the same time most programmers really hate the idea of it because of what it can be used to prevent(many of us got our start in Homebrew and Open Source environments, where communal knowledge and sharing of information can be used to create some of the most robust systems)...
This topic is alot of fun. Pirates that would according to these forums never spend a cent are *GASP* donating money. its the end of the world!
This topic is alot of fun. Pirates that would according to these forums never spend a cent are *GASP* donating money. its the end of the world!
KalDurenik
It isn't the pirates that are donating money if I were to take a guess... As has been said numerous times on this forum, there are tons of legitimate uses for a jailbreak of this nature... Plus there are plenty of people who haven't even used the jailbreak that support the cause because of what it represents in terms of establishing boundaries for Digital Copyright Laws.
You be surprised how many people in game development are supporting this guy, with and without money donations. He can't be held responsilble if other people use the hack to play pirated games. This was never the aim of his hack.ducati101then he shouldn't have released it to the public. A drug dealer can be held accountable for the deaths of his users...same thing here, he knew piracy would be the 99% of the time used thing with his hacks...yet released it publically anyways.
"For my part, like all of the hacks derived from the Kinect, I think that open systems foster development of new ideas and Sony's attempts to curtail such creativity is averse to the 21st century idea of innovation. So yeah, go Geohot!"
^ that. I do FULLY understand that this "hack" can and will be used for pirating. Unfortunately, geo has done nothing illegal. As much as you dont agree with it, you can't "jail" or "fine" people for things you don't like.
Blank DVDs/CDs/Blurays and dvd/cd/bluray burners are also one of the MAIN tools used in piracy... shouldn't we outlaw them while we are at it?? I mean seriously, the companies that make the discs and burners CERTAINLY don't intend for their media to be used for piracy, yet it is. SHOULD THEY NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TOO??? /end sarcasm
PS: I though it would take a few more years to have people defending the liberties of multi-national-multi-billion dollar corporations over the rights and freedoms of the average person... I guess i was wrong. Have fun reaping what you sow... XD
This is sad there are so many charities to donate for but these people decide to give money to support this kid's ego. Geo brought this upon himself he should deal with this on his own.
[QUOTE="ducati101"]You be surprised how many people in game development are supporting this guy, with and without money donations. He can't be held responsilble if other people use the hack to play pirated games. This was never the aim of his hack.WilliamRLBakerthen he shouldn't have released it to the public. A drug dealer can be held accountable for the deaths of his users...same thing here, he knew piracy would be the 99% of the time used thing with his hacks...yet released it publically anyways. Actually, drug dealers are doing something illegal BEFORE they sell the drugs. POSSESING DRUGS is ILLEGAL in most countries. Hacking hardware is not. so no this is not a good example... PS: again, I know Geo knows he this hack will be used for "evil" doings. It's doesn't matter. anything and everything falls into this category.. As much as you dislike what he is doing "disliking" and "illegal" are TWO entirely different things. But again, you're drug dealing analogy proves you don't understand. Hacking for non-copyright infriging activities = LEGAL. possesing or selling ILLEGAL drugs.. is .... *GASP* illegal.
We wouldn't have to worry about invasive DRM and serial keys if GeoHotz didn't hack the PS3 in the first placeTimstuff
If anything, this will harm our consumer rights.
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="ducati101"]You be surprised how many people in game development are supporting this guy, with and without money donations. He can't be held responsilble if other people use the hack to play pirated games. This was never the aim of his hack.dRuGGeRnaUtthen he shouldn't have released it to the public. A drug dealer can be held accountable for the deaths of his users...same thing here, he knew piracy would be the 99% of the time used thing with his hacks...yet released it publically anyways. Actually, drug dealers are doing something illegal BEFORE they sell the drugs. POSSESING DRUGS is ILLEGAL in most countries. Hacking hardware is not. so no this is not a good example... PS: again, I know Geo knows he this hack will be used for "evil" doings. It's doesn't matter. anything and everything falls into this category.. As much as you dislike what he is doing "disliking" and "illegal" are TWO entirely different things. But again, you're drug dealing analogy proves you don't understand. Hacking for non-copyright infriging activities = LEGAL. possesing or selling ILLEGAL drugs.. is .... *GASP* illegal.
Whether something is harmful or not harmful and whether something is legal or not legal are two different things. Legal as it may be, it's still willfully harmful.
This is sad there are so many charities to donate for but these people decide to give money to support this kid's ego. Geo brought this upon himself he should deal with this on his own.
HaLoMaStErJT
he is fighting an important consumer rights battle. I am amazed at the incredibly narrow scope that system warriors have. Alot of his support comes from people that dont even play video games.
It's not that this isn't true.. its the fact that "the average joe" is getting COMPLETELY fed up with corporations bullying people. Look at sonys lawsuit past.. They have sued people over them making their little "robot" toys do different dance moves... im hard pressed to believe they were worrying about money there. Anyways. Yes i do agree, he made his bed, and he must sleep in it. The difference here is that a VERY LARGE % of people agree that sony sueing people for stuff that IS NOT (I REPEAT) NOT ILLEGAL IS WRONG. They are only worried about money... why they had to REMOVE ps3 features is beyond me.. why they REMOVED backward compatiblity is beyond me as well. What is not is someone fighting to get back the features THEY HAD PAID FOR. PS: Pirates hurt the industry. This "geo" is not a pirate. his tech will be used for such, but I can also choose to stab someone with a knife.. doesn't mean the knife company should be blamedThis is sad there are so many charities to donate for but these people decide to give money to support this kid's ego. Geo brought this upon himself he should deal with this on his own.
HaLoMaStErJT
[QUOTE="HaLoMaStErJT"]
This is sad there are so many charities to donate for but these people decide to give money to support this kid's ego. Geo brought this upon himself he should deal with this on his own.
markinthedark
he is fighting an important consumer rights battle. I am amazed at the incredibly narrow scope that system warriors have. Alot of his support comes from people that dont even play video games.
He's misconstruing it to be a consumer rights battle.
[QUOTE="HaLoMaStErJT"]It's not that this isn't true.. its the fact that "the average joe" is getting COMPLETELY fed up with corporations bullying people. Look at sonys lawsuit past.. They have sued people over them making their little "robot" toys do different dance moves... im hard pressed to believe they were worrying about money there. Anyways. Yes i do agree, he made his bed, and he must sleep in it. The difference here is that a VERY LARGE % of people agree that sony sueing people for stuff that IS NOT (I REPEAT) NOT ILLEGAL IS WRONG. They are only worried about money... why they had to REMOVE ps3 features is beyond me.. why they REMOVED backward compatiblity is beyond me as well. What is not is someone fighting to get back the features THEY HAD PAID FOR. PS: Pirates hurt the industry. This "geo" is not a pirate. his tech will be used for such, but I can also choose to stab someone with a knife.. doesn't mean the knife company should be blamedThis is sad there are so many charities to donate for but these people decide to give money to support this kid's ego. Geo brought this upon himself he should deal with this on his own.
dRuGGeRnaUt
1. No one really paid for Other OS. It was a feature in the firmware, not the hardware. Like Netflix.
2. Anyone who had Other OS removed consented to it.
3. Other OS was removed because it was a glaring security hole. It's existence threatened the system.
4. BC was removed because it cost too much to maintain and put into the system. Sony was bleeding money for a good portion of this generation.
5. No one who bought a BC console had BC removed.
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1. No one really paid for Other OS. It was a feature in the firmware, not the hardware. Like Netflix.
2. Anyone who had Other OS removed consented to it.
3. Other OS was removed because it was a glaring security hole. It's existence threatened the system.
hakanakumono
Microsoft should remove IE from Windows, it's a glaring security hole.
Why people her don't understand the real problem with this, Most of us are mad not because of HB software, its because he release the master key of the PS3, in that case you can affect a lot of people that the only thing they want to do is play video games, with online cheaters, piracy, stolen credit card information.....
Believe me I don't give a penny about the HB software. Can you understand that!!
And Jeez I can't beleive some people here supports communism that is really sad.
Actually, drug dealers are doing something illegal BEFORE they sell the drugs. POSSESING DRUGS is ILLEGAL in most countries. Hacking hardware is not. so no this is not a good example... PS: again, I know Geo knows he this hack will be used for "evil" doings. It's doesn't matter. anything and everything falls into this category.. As much as you dislike what he is doing "disliking" and "illegal" are TWO entirely different things. But again, you're drug dealing analogy proves you don't understand. Hacking for non-copyright infriging activities = LEGAL. possesing or selling ILLEGAL drugs.. is .... *GASP* illegal.[QUOTE="dRuGGeRnaUt"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] then he shouldn't have released it to the public. A drug dealer can be held accountable for the deaths of his users...same thing here, he knew piracy would be the 99% of the time used thing with his hacks...yet released it publically anyways.hakanakumono
Whether something is harmful or not harmful and whether something is legal or not legal are two different things. Legal as it may be, it's still willfully harmful.
By admitting that it is in fact LEGAL, you have made any argument in this thread pointless.. If its LEGAL why is he being sued??? Harmful you say? Harmful because of what OTHER PEOPPLE (NOT GEO) will do with it?? wow. again. I know facts are hard to follow but... GEO HACKED THE PS3 TO MAKE IT OPEN. THAT IS IT. NOTHING ILLEGAL. NOTHING HARMFUL. attack the pirates.. Did yo ualso know alot of the biggest names in innovation and electronics started by "hacking" look up steve jobs career b4 apple. and youll see, if we wouldve stopped people. we wouldve lost all this tech. I agree there is an ugly side to this "hacking", but that can be said about ANYTHING in life. I know its scary, i know its knew, but sometimes progress isn't comfortable, but it is what it is, PROGRESS. seriously, are we all going to just sit here and let these companies tell us what we do with our possessions?? once they win this, what next?? seriously, with the government already regulating everything in every sector of society, do you really want corporations telling what to do with the rest of you life?? I know i don't[QUOTE="dRuGGeRnaUt"][QUOTE="HaLoMaStErJT"]
This is sad there are so many charities to donate for but these people decide to give money to support this kid's ego. Geo brought this upon himself he should deal with this on his own.
It's not that this isn't true.. its the fact that "the average joe" is getting COMPLETELY fed up with corporations bullying people. Look at sonys lawsuit past.. They have sued people over them making their little "robot" toys do different dance moves... im hard pressed to believe they were worrying about money there. Anyways. Yes i do agree, he made his bed, and he must sleep in it. The difference here is that a VERY LARGE % of people agree that sony sueing people for stuff that IS NOT (I REPEAT) NOT ILLEGAL IS WRONG. They are only worried about money... why they had to REMOVE ps3 features is beyond me.. why they REMOVED backward compatiblity is beyond me as well. What is not is someone fighting to get back the features THEY HAD PAID FOR. PS: Pirates hurt the industry. This "geo" is not a pirate. his tech will be used for such, but I can also choose to stab someone with a knife.. doesn't mean the knife company should be blamed1. No one really paid for Other OS. It was a feature in the firmware, not the hardware. Like Netflix.
2. Anyone who had Other OS removed consented to it.
3. Other OS was removed because it was a glaring security hole. It's existence threatened the system.
4. BC was removed because it cost too much to maintain and put into the system. Sony was bleeding money for a good portion of this generation.
5. No one who bought a BC console had BC removed.
Well, being able to connect to the internet, and having a disc drive are to of the main SECURITY holes in the ps3 should they remove those too? LOL XD[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="dRuGGeRnaUt"] It's not that this isn't true.. its the fact that "the average joe" is getting COMPLETELY fed up with corporations bullying people. Look at sonys lawsuit past.. They have sued people over them making their little "robot" toys do different dance moves... im hard pressed to believe they were worrying about money there. Anyways. Yes i do agree, he made his bed, and he must sleep in it. The difference here is that a VERY LARGE % of people agree that sony sueing people for stuff that IS NOT (I REPEAT) NOT ILLEGAL IS WRONG. They are only worried about money... why they had to REMOVE ps3 features is beyond me.. why they REMOVED backward compatiblity is beyond me as well. What is not is someone fighting to get back the features THEY HAD PAID FOR. PS: Pirates hurt the industry. This "geo" is not a pirate. his tech will be used for such, but I can also choose to stab someone with a knife.. doesn't mean the knife company should be blameddRuGGeRnaUt
1. No one really paid for Other OS. It was a feature in the firmware, not the hardware. Like Netflix.
2. Anyone who had Other OS removed consented to it.
3. Other OS was removed because it was a glaring security hole. It's existence threatened the system.
4. BC was removed because it cost too much to maintain and put into the system. Sony was bleeding money for a good portion of this generation.
5. No one who bought a BC console had BC removed.
Well, being able to connect to the internet, and having a disc drive are to of the main SECURITY holes in the ps3 should they remove those too? LOL XDYou miss completely his point
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[QUOTE="HaLoMaStErJT"]
This is sad there are so many charities to donate for but these people decide to give money to support this kid's ego. Geo brought this upon himself he should deal with this on his own.
hakanakumono
he is fighting an important consumer rights battle. I am amazed at the incredibly narrow scope that system warriors have. Alot of his support comes from people that dont even play video games.
He's misconstruing it to be a consumer rights battle.
How is it not a consumer rights battle?
By "glaring security hole," I mean that Geohotz announced that he was going to hack the PS3 using Other OS and other hacking groups were working on the hack as well.
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