PS3 Impact on Blu-Ray Sales

PlayStation 3 gives Blu-ray disc sales a boost

Impact of new console in market "significant"

by Amy-Mae Elliott

21 May 2007 - News from the Blu-ray Disc Association suggests that the impact of PlayStation 3 on sales of Blu-ray Disc movies in North America and Japan after the launch of the console last November has been "significant".

Early market data sourced by the association indicates that a similar trend is developing in Western Europe.

Industry data for the period from 1 January until the end of April shows a change in market dynamics in the European HD software market.

Up until the PS3's launch on 23 March, HD DVD was comfortably outselling Blu-ray discs. However, in the week after PS3 was launched in Europe, Blu-ray discs accounted for almost 87% of all HD disc sales.

In the period since 23 March, Blu-ray discs have consistently out sold HD DVD's rival product by a significant margin.

In the latest week that the figures report, Blu-ray discs outsold HD DVDs by a factor of more than three to one.

This means that despite the PS3 being available for only one month of this four-month period, Blu-ray software sales account for over 64% of the total volume since the start of the year.

For the good of the overall Blu-ray cause, it looks like these figures justify Sony's inclusion of a Blu-ray disc drive in their next-gen console, despite the delays this caused to the launch of the product and partly accounting for its high price.

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/7817/8841/PlayStation3-gives-Blu-ray-discs-boosts.phtml

So the Blu-ray Association found that the PS3, the only console with Blu-ray, has a significant role in Blu-ray sales?

You don't say. 

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

all i want to say is, Tango i told you so :) .alfy13

LOL....I know what mean. 

all i want to say is, Tango i told you so :) .alfy13

tell me what... ?

how a last place console will dictate a worldwide format?  keep dreaming..

it's funny you don't recognize these br press releases for what they are;  hype.

if br was really that much of an advantage or that much in the driver's seat, they wouldn't have to keep coming out with the "hey look at bluray" statements...;)

it's early yet, and br doesn't look to win in the long term... especially with the ps3 sucking the life out of sony as it is...

but hey, keep the dream alive..  blooray needs all the hype it can get...

btw; this is actually bad news for SCE... every br movie bought is money NOT going to SCE...;)

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

jaminator45

I'm sorry I guess I missed your point.  Are you saying Blu-Ray will end up losing or something?  Or was that just an attempt to bash SOE electronics lol?  Whether or not you think SOE is good for the HD format or not, it's pretty clear they are going to win.  When Disney/BuenaVista, Fox, Columbia/SOE are putting exclusive titles on BR while only Universal is putting exclusive titles on HDD......you can see the writing on the wall. 

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

jaminator45

I support blu ray and am far from a fanboy.  I support it because as a movie lover it has the most movie studio support.  On top of that it is the largest format where currently HD DVDs are all already using double layered discs just for their standard movie lengths.  Thats not a good sign for the furture format in my opinion.  

As for Sonys history, every company has had success and failures.  Sony was a part of CD and DVD format as well so they do have successful formats.  You also fail to realize that like Sonys role in DVD, Blu ray is a collaborated effort from a big group of companies, its not Sonys pet alone.  The true fanboys are the people that associate Blu ray with Sony and assume it will fail because of the mistake of Beta, even though Betamax was just Sonys creation while Blu ray is a collaberated effort like Sony's role in DVD.

This had been sony's goal all along. Blu-ray was in development before the PS3. Sony knew if they could get enough blu-ray players out there, it would help boost blu-ray sales. If sony wins the HD war, they will get a royalty on every Blu-ray disc sold in the future. Makes me suspect blu-ray wasn't needed for gaming as much as it is a potential cash cow for sony.Darthmatt

A larger format is just as beneficial for movies as it is for games.  We have seen this in the past with cartridges, CDs, DVDs and DVD9s.  Blu ray allows for more room in HD movies and gaming and makes the companies plenty of money.  Thats how successful products are created, companies provide the consumer with a useful product and the consumer buys it giving the companies thier money. 

[QUOTE="jaminator45"]

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

darthogre

I'm sorry I guess I missed your point.  Are you saying Blu-Ray will end up losing or something?  Or was that just an attempt to bash SOE electronics lol?  Whether or not you think SOE is good for the HD format or not, it's pretty clear they are going to win.  When Disney/BuenaVista, Fox, Columbia/SOE are putting exclusive titles on BR while only Universal is putting exclusive titles on HDD......you can see the writing on the wall. 

Not trying to bash Sony and not saying BD will lose. I have Sony products and for the most part love them. My TV is an SXRD and its awesome. And it was more expensive than most others because of proprietary technology. In that case it was clearly a better picture than DLP so i went with it.

What concerns me as a movie lover and as someone who owns over 500 DVDs, is whan i see a stand alone BluRay player selling for 800 bucks vs 299 for HDDVD, it makes me wonder how much I am going to have to pay in the future to get my favorite movies in HD. Is it gonna be 19.99 like the hddvd? or is it gonna be 29.99-34.99 like a lot of DB Disks.

Bottom line is I think this whole format war is complete BS and ALL of the companies involved should have agreed on a standard so that we can move forward and consumers dont get screwed over.

[QUOTE="alfy13"]all i want to say is, Tango i told you so :) .tango90101

tell me what... ?

how a last place console will dictate a worldwide format?  keep dreaming..

it's funny you don't recognize these br press releases for what they are;  hype.

if br was really that much of an advantage or that much in the driver's seat, they wouldn't have to keep coming out with the "hey look at bluray" statements...;)

it's early yet, and br doesn't look to win in the long term... especially with the ps3 sucking the life out of sony as it is...

but hey, keep the dream alive..  blooray needs all the hype it can get...

btw; this is actually bad news for SCE... every br movie bought is money NOT going to SCE...;)

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]This had been sony's goal all along. Blu-ray was in development before the PS3. Sony knew if they could get enough blu-ray players out there, it would help boost blu-ray sales. If sony wins the HD war, they will get a royalty on every Blu-ray disc sold in the future. Makes me suspect blu-ray wasn't needed for gaming as much as it is a potential cash cow for sony.Javy03

A larger format is just as beneficial for movies as it is for games. We have seen this in the past with cartridges, CDs, DVDs and DVD9s. Blu ray allows for more room in HD movies and gaming and makes the companies plenty of money. Thats how successful products are created, companies provide the consumer with a useful product and the consumer buys it giving the companies thier money.

[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="jaminator45"]

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

jaminator45

I'm sorry I guess I missed your point. Are you saying Blu-Ray will end up losing or something? Or was that just an attempt to bash SOE electronics lol? Whether or not you think SOE is good for the HD format or not, it's pretty clear they are going to win. When Disney/BuenaVista, Fox, Columbia/SOE are putting exclusive titles on BR while only Universal is putting exclusive titles on HDD......you can see the writing on the wall.

Not trying to bash Sony and not saying BD will lose. I have Sony products and for the most part love them. My TV is an SXRD and its awesome. And it was more expensive than most others because of proprietary technology. In that case it was clearly a better picture than DLP so i went with it.

What concerns me as a movie lover and as someone who owns over 500 DVDs, is whan i see a stand alone BluRay player selling for 800 bucks vs 299 for HDDVD, it makes me wonder how much I am going to have to pay in the future to get my favorite movies in HD. Is it gonna be 19.99 like the hddvd? or is it gonna be 29.99-34.99 like a lot of DB Disks.

Bottom line is I think this whole format war is complete BS and ALL of the companies involved should have agreed on a standard so that we can move forward and consumers dont get screwed over.

DVDs didnt always cost 15-16 dollars, I remember paying 20 somthing for my first batch, heck I can go to suncoast and pay 29 dollars for DVDs right now if I want.  As for HD DVD and Blu ray prices in most part they are the same but so far I have seen Blu ray occasionally being cheaper like the release of Happy feet for Blu ray and HD DVD being cheaper on blu ray at Best buy.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&id=pcat17071&type=page&ks=960&st=happy+feet+blu+ray&sc=Global&cp=1&sp=&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1%7E%7Eq6861707079206665657420626c7520726179%7E%7Enccat02015%23%230%23%231a6&list=n&usc=All+Categories&nrp=15&iht=n 

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

[QUOTE="jaminator45"]

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

Javy03

I support blu ray and am far from a fanboy.  I support it because as a movie lover it has the most movie studio support.  On top of that it is the largest format where currently HD DVDs are all already using double layered discs just for their standard movie lengths.  Thats not a good sign for the furture format in my opinion.  

As for Sonys history, every company has had success and failures.  Sony was a part of CD and DVD format as well so they do have successful formats.  You also fail to realize that like Sonys role in DVD, Blu ray is a collaborated effort from a big group of companies, its not Sonys pet alone.  The true fanboys are the people that associate Blu ray with Sony and assume it will fail because of the mistake of Beta, even though Betamax was just Sonys creation while Blu ray is a collaberated effort like Sony's role in DVD.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]This had been sony's goal all along. Blu-ray was in development before the PS3. Sony knew if they could get enough blu-ray players out there, it would help boost blu-ray sales. If sony wins the HD war, they will get a royalty on every Blu-ray disc sold in the future. Makes me suspect blu-ray wasn't needed for gaming as much as it is a potential cash cow for sony.Darthmatt

A larger format is just as beneficial for movies as it is for games. We have seen this in the past with cartridges, CDs, DVDs and DVD9s. Blu ray allows for more room in HD movies and gaming and makes the companies plenty of money. Thats how successful products are created, companies provide the consumer with a useful product and the consumer buys it giving the companies thier money.

The random person on the street will find out about blu ray and HD movies with help from best buy and the PS3 pushing a format.  At the same note the average person who plans on buying an HDTV knows the difference.  Having more room for movies and games are far from a bad thing in my opinion, but thats me.  I have two hobbies, moves and video games and I bought a 20gb PS3 and it satisfies both.  I have no complaints and with PS3 pushing Blu ray, blu ray and HD formats are catching on much faster then if we had to wait for stand alones to get cheap enough for the average consumer. 

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]This had been sony's goal all along. Blu-ray was in development before the PS3. Sony knew if they could get enough blu-ray players out there, it would help boost blu-ray sales. If sony wins the HD war, they will get a royalty on every Blu-ray disc sold in the future. Makes me suspect blu-ray wasn't needed for gaming as much as it is a potential cash cow for sony.Darthmatt

A larger format is just as beneficial for movies as it is for games. We have seen this in the past with cartridges, CDs, DVDs and DVD9s. Blu ray allows for more room in HD movies and gaming and makes the companies plenty of money. Thats how successful products are created, companies provide the consumer with a useful product and the consumer buys it giving the companies thier money.

Disney backing Blu Ray is also a huge factor.

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

Ontain

5.5 million shipped is far from killed, especially when the PS3 has only a handful of games being two new IPs and few mutliplats pushing it, while its competition has its biggest hit since Halo (GEOW) pushing it and a years worth of games.  The PS3s are selling fine and the true thing thats hurting PS3 sales is the support Sony is continuing with the PS2.  So far neither the the PS3 nor the 360 has convinced people from picking them up as opposed to the PS2 and whoever does that will be the successful console. 

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="jaminator45"]

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

alfy13

I support blu ray and am far from a fanboy. I support it because as a movie lover it has the most movie studio support. On top of that it is the largest format where currently HD DVDs are all already using double layered discs just for their standard movie lengths. Thats not a good sign for the furture format in my opinion.

As for Sonys history, every company has had success and failures. Sony was a part of CD and DVD format as well so they do have successful formats. You also fail to realize that like Sonys role in DVD, Blu ray is a collaborated effort from a big group of companies, its not Sonys pet alone. The true fanboys are the people that associate Blu ray with Sony and assume it will fail because of the mistake of Beta, even though Betamax was just Sonys creation while Blu ray is a collaberated effort like Sony's role in DVD.

Thank ya kindly, lol 

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

Javy03

5.5 million shipped is far from killed, especially when the PS3 has only a handful of games being two new IPs and few mutliplats pushing it, while its competition has its biggest hit since Halo (GEOW) pushing it and a years worth of games. The PS3s are selling fine and the true thing thats hurting PS3 sales is the support Sony is continuing with the PS2. So far neither the the PS3 nor the 360 has convinced people from picking them up as opposed to the PS2 and whoever does that will be the successful console.

1. 5.5 SHIPPED. and only about 3.6 sell through for a 6-7 month old "hot" product at launch.

2. Last of the current gen for months now and most recently outsold 2-1 by the 360 and 4-1 by the wii in the US. It's doing better in Japan, but only against the 360. the wii still beats it almost 8-1. it's not breaking 10k a week.

this is from last gen's #1 company who's previous system was hot out of the gate basically killing the DC as soon as it came out in the US.

Also i find it ridiculous that you think the ps2 is hurting ps3 sales. Most ppl buying a ps2 at the end if it's cycle will not effect the system war this gen.

[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="jaminator45"]

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

jaminator45

I'm sorry I guess I missed your point.  Are you saying Blu-Ray will end up losing or something?  Or was that just an attempt to bash SOE electronics lol?  Whether or not you think SOE is good for the HD format or not, it's pretty clear they are going to win.  When Disney/BuenaVista, Fox, Columbia/SOE are putting exclusive titles on BR while only Universal is putting exclusive titles on HDD......you can see the writing on the wall. 

Not trying to bash Sony and not saying BD will lose. I have Sony products and for the most part love them. My TV is an SXRD and its awesome. And it was more expensive than most others because of proprietary technology. In that case it was clearly a better picture than DLP so i went with it.

What concerns me as a movie lover and as someone who owns over 500 DVDs, is whan i see a stand alone BluRay player selling for 800 bucks vs 299 for HDDVD, it makes me wonder how much I am going to have to pay in the future to get my favorite movies in HD. Is it gonna be 19.99 like the hddvd? or is it gonna be 29.99-34.99 like a lot of DB Disks.

Bottom line is I think this whole format war is complete BS and ALL of the companies involved should have agreed on a standard so that we can move forward and consumers dont get screwed over.

Intresting comments.  Your concerns are valid but I'll give some information that I have being that I'm in the rental/retail business and have pretty good information about the new formats.

Prices on the hardware, the prices are going to be getting a LOT closer as we near the 4th qtr.  HDD is going to be cheaper, as you said it will be 300-400 more than likely.  Blu-Ray is going to be around 400-500.  This is projected for the 4th qtr.  So yes, $100 price difference but that is not really much if you ask me.

I'm not sure what you are talking about with $19.99 hddvd discs.  Are there $19.99 hddvd discs, yes but they are older catalogue titles.  Older titles cost the exact same for Blu-Ray.  What you might be confusing is the new boxoffice movies.  Those are $29.99 - $34.99 however they are exactly the same price for hddvd.  Infact if you want to get technical, Warner Bros titles are actually MORE expensive in some cases for hddvd because they give you the added benefit of being able to play the movie in a regular dvd player.  Bottomline is price of the movies are going to be $5-$10 more expensive for the new format that what you traditionally have seen for DVD.  This is on purpose and has nothing to do with the new format.  They (stuidos) want to milk the customer as much as possible. 

Bottom line is it would have been best for customers to have one format but things don't ever workout like that.  People buying hddvd honestly are probably waisting their money.......I'm tracking rental revenue for both formats which I support equally.  Blu-Ray outperforms HDD 3 to 1.......sound familiar?  The writing is on the wall, when the 4th qtr comes around I think it may get even worse for HDD.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

Javy03

5.5 million shipped is far from killed, especially when the PS3 has only a handful of games being two new IPs and few mutliplats pushing it, while its competition has its biggest hit since Halo (GEOW) pushing it and a years worth of games. The PS3s are selling fine and the true thing thats hurting PS3 sales is the support Sony is continuing with the PS2. So far neither the the PS3 nor the 360 has convinced people from picking them up as opposed to the PS2 and whoever does that will be the successful console.

The PS3 is NOT selling well...its not what was expected.

360 has been to much for them. Sony thought it was going to be like with the dreamcast..and now they are desperate..

Bluray and HDDvd format are important...but when you are looking for games you are going to go to the one console with games..and good services..thats why the Wii and the 360 are selling much better than the PS3 . The price just doesnt bring you a different experience from what the 360 or even the Wii have.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

Ontain

5.5 million shipped is far from killed, especially when the PS3 has only a handful of games being two new IPs and few mutliplats pushing it, while its competition has its biggest hit since Halo (GEOW) pushing it and a years worth of games. The PS3s are selling fine and the true thing thats hurting PS3 sales is the support Sony is continuing with the PS2. So far neither the the PS3 nor the 360 has convinced people from picking them up as opposed to the PS2 and whoever does that will be the successful console.

1. 5.5 SHIPPED. and only about 3.6 sell through for a 6-7 month old "hot" product at launch.

2. Last of the current gen for months now and most recently outsold 2-1 by the 360 and 4-1 by the wii in the US. It's doing better in Japan, but only against the 360. the wii still beats it almost 8-1. it's not breaking 10k a week.

this is from last gen's #1 company who's previous system was hot out of the gate basically killing the DC as soon as it came out in the US.

Also i find it ridiculous that you think the ps2 is hurting ps3 sales. Most ppl buying a ps2 at the end if it's cycle will not effect the system war this gen.

I have zero hard disk games for my PS3 and 7 blu-ray movies.  PS3 at least has one good use right now.

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

Ontain

The God of War dev agrees with you.  I agree with that as well HOWEVER I also think it's a temporary blip.  If SOE reduces the price of PS3 (which I know they are going to do this year) and when they get the good software titles in Sept-Nov, PS3 will be alright.  It might not be PS2 but as you said I think SOE was looking at the company as whole and not just one part.  In order for SOE to win the format war they needed PS3 which once they win would reap great rewards but it would come at a price of not being the dominate game console this time around.  It might be number one in the end but it will not have the PS2's success. 

SOE is obvoiusly thinking the rewards of BR winning + mediocre PS3 sales > PS3 being the top dog in the console market.

[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="jaminator45"]

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

jaminator45

I'm sorry I guess I missed your point.  Are you saying Blu-Ray will end up losing or something?  Or was that just an attempt to bash SOE electronics lol?  Whether or not you think SOE is good for the HD format or not, it's pretty clear they are going to win.  When Disney/BuenaVista, Fox, Columbia/SOE are putting exclusive titles on BR while only Universal is putting exclusive titles on HDD......you can see the writing on the wall. 

Not trying to bash Sony and not saying BD will lose. I have Sony products and for the most part love them. My TV is an SXRD and its awesome. And it was more expensive than most others because of proprietary technology. In that case it was clearly a better picture than DLP so i went with it.

What concerns me as a movie lover and as someone who owns over 500 DVDs, is whan i see a stand alone BluRay player selling for 800 bucks vs 299 for HDDVD, it makes me wonder how much I am going to have to pay in the future to get my favorite movies in HD. Is it gonna be 19.99 like the hddvd? or is it gonna be 29.99-34.99 like a lot of DB Disks.

Bottom line is I think this whole format war is complete BS and ALL of the companies involved should have agreed on a standard so that we can move forward and consumers dont get screwed over.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

Ontain

5.5 million shipped is far from killed, especially when the PS3 has only a handful of games being two new IPs and few mutliplats pushing it, while its competition has its biggest hit since Halo (GEOW) pushing it and a years worth of games. The PS3s are selling fine and the true thing thats hurting PS3 sales is the support Sony is continuing with the PS2. So far neither the the PS3 nor the 360 has convinced people from picking them up as opposed to the PS2 and whoever does that will be the successful console.

1. 5.5 SHIPPED. and only about 3.6 sell through for a 6-7 month old "hot" product at launch.

2. Last of the current gen for months now and most recently outsold 2-1 by the 360 and 4-1 by the wii in the US. It's doing better in Japan, but only against the 360. the wii still beats it almost 8-1. it's not breaking 10k a week.

this is from last gen's #1 company who's previous system was hot out of the gate basically killing the DC as soon as it came out in the US.

Also i find it ridiculous that you think the ps2 is hurting ps3 sales. Most ppl buying a ps2 at the end if it's cycle will not effect the system war this gen.

I read the article where they guestimated the 3.6 sold and read nowhere where they confirmed this and confirmed how much was in transit, I ready nowhere where sony confirmed those numbers, the only confirmed numbers are the 5.5 mill and the 360s numbers were the same exact way counting in transit and in wherehouse.

Yes we know the 360 currently is selling better then the PS3 in the U.s. but the U.S. isnt the only place sales are made, in Japan and Europe the PS3s are outselling the 360.  As for the not breaking 10k in Japan that was ONE week, the week before the sales went up to 13K before it dropped, numbers flucate and the PS3 is lacking games, numbers will go up as games come out.  The PS3s numbers when up 108% in Japan just for the release of Gundam Musou, imagine what will happen when games with a fanbase come out.

The PS2 has a huge fanbase that no console has quite cracked yet.  And as for the Wii different, console, different target audience, different games, and even the creator of Zelda complains about its sales and blames it on the new audience as well as the poor sales of Call of Duty and Need for Speed on the Wii.  The Wii will get games that are selling on it which are party and mini games.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

darthogre

The God of War dev agrees with you.  I agree with that as well HOWEVER I also think it's a temporary blip.  If SOE reduces the price of PS3 (which I know they are going to do this year) and when they get the good software titles in Sept-Nov, PS3 will be alright.  It might not be PS2 but as you said I think SOE was looking at the company as whole and not just one part.  In order for SOE to win the format war they needed PS3 which once they win would reap great rewards but it would come at a price of not being the dominate game console this time around.  It might be number one in the end but it will not have the PS2's success. 

SOE is obvoiusly thinking the rewards of BR winning + mediocre PS3 sales > PS3 being the top dog in the console market.

[QUOTE="jaminator45"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="jaminator45"]

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

Danthegamingman

I'm sorry I guess I missed your point.  Are you saying Blu-Ray will end up losing or something?  Or was that just an attempt to bash SOE electronics lol?  Whether or not you think SOE is good for the HD format or not, it's pretty clear they are going to win.  When Disney/BuenaVista, Fox, Columbia/SOE are putting exclusive titles on BR while only Universal is putting exclusive titles on HDD......you can see the writing on the wall. 

Not trying to bash Sony and not saying BD will lose. I have Sony products and for the most part love them. My TV is an SXRD and its awesome. And it was more expensive than most others because of proprietary technology. In that case it was clearly a better picture than DLP so i went with it.

What concerns me as a movie lover and as someone who owns over 500 DVDs, is whan i see a stand alone BluRay player selling for 800 bucks vs 299 for HDDVD, it makes me wonder how much I am going to have to pay in the future to get my favorite movies in HD. Is it gonna be 19.99 like the hddvd? or is it gonna be 29.99-34.99 like a lot of DB Disks.

Bottom line is I think this whole format war is complete BS and ALL of the companies involved should have agreed on a standard so that we can move forward and consumers dont get screwed over.

But if Blu-ray was created first, that makes HD DVD the unwanted step child, doesn't it?

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

alfy13

5.5 million shipped is far from killed, especially when the PS3 has only a handful of games being two new IPs and few mutliplats pushing it, while its competition has its biggest hit since Halo (GEOW) pushing it and a years worth of games. The PS3s are selling fine and the true thing thats hurting PS3 sales is the support Sony is continuing with the PS2. So far neither the the PS3 nor the 360 has convinced people from picking them up as opposed to the PS2 and whoever does that will be the successful console.

1. 5.5 SHIPPED. and only about 3.6 sell through for a 6-7 month old "hot" product at launch.

2. Last of the current gen for months now and most recently outsold 2-1 by the 360 and 4-1 by the wii in the US. It's doing better in Japan, but only against the 360. the wii still beats it almost 8-1. it's not breaking 10k a week.

this is from last gen's #1 company who's previous system was hot out of the gate basically killing the DC as soon as it came out in the US.

Also i find it ridiculous that you think the ps2 is hurting ps3 sales. Most ppl buying a ps2 at the end if it's cycle will not effect the system war this gen.

Comparison in Japan

as you can see the ps2 sold better than the wii is selling in japan.

Comparison in the US 

here you see the ps2 sell about as good as the wii in the US and both are twice that of the ps3.

the ps2 was also sold out for the first several months of launch in the US. and in the end the ppl that bought ps1's at the end of the ps1's life cycle aren't going to be the same ppl that buy the ps2 in the first couple of years. thus they don't really effect the outcome of the next gen. they just buy whatever is the cheapest and most popular at the time.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

darthogre

The God of War dev agrees with you. I agree with that as well HOWEVER I also think it's a temporary blip. If SOE reduces the price of PS3 (which I know they are going to do this year) and when they get the good software titles in Sept-Nov, PS3 will be alright. It might not be PS2 but as you said I think SOE was looking at the company as whole and not just one part. In order for SOE to win the format war they needed PS3 which once they win would reap great rewards but it would come at a price of not being the dominate game console this time around. It might be number one in the end but it will not have the PS2's success.

SOE is obvoiusly thinking the rewards of BR winning + mediocre PS3 sales > PS3 being the top dog in the console market.

oh i agree that's sony's plan. which is part of the reason i dislike the ps3 and sony right now. ps3 owners paving the way for them to make much more even if it costs the ps3 to lose this gen (and thus have fewer games) 

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

Javy03

5.5 million shipped is far from killed, especially when the PS3 has only a handful of games being two new IPs and few mutliplats pushing it, while its competition has its biggest hit since Halo (GEOW) pushing it and a years worth of games. The PS3s are selling fine and the true thing thats hurting PS3 sales is the support Sony is continuing with the PS2. So far neither the the PS3 nor the 360 has convinced people from picking them up as opposed to the PS2 and whoever does that will be the successful console.

1. 5.5 SHIPPED. and only about 3.6 sell through for a 6-7 month old "hot" product at launch.

2. Last of the current gen for months now and most recently outsold 2-1 by the 360 and 4-1 by the wii in the US. It's doing better in Japan, but only against the 360. the wii still beats it almost 8-1. it's not breaking 10k a week.

this is from last gen's #1 company who's previous system was hot out of the gate basically killing the DC as soon as it came out in the US.

Also i find it ridiculous that you think the ps2 is hurting ps3 sales. Most ppl buying a ps2 at the end if it's cycle will not effect the system war this gen.

I read the article where they guestimated the 3.6 sold and read nowhere where they confirmed this and confirmed how much was in transit, I ready nowhere where sony confirmed those numbers, the only confirmed numbers are the 5.5 mill and the 360s numbers were the same exact way counting in transit and in wherehouse.

Yes we know the 360 currently is selling better then the PS3 in the U.s. but the U.S. isnt the only place sales are made, in Japan and Europe the PS3s are outselling the 360.  As for the not breaking 10k in Japan that was ONE week, the week before the sales went up to 13K before it dropped, numbers flucate and the PS3 is lacking games, numbers will go up as games come out.  The PS3s numbers when up 108% in Japan just for the release of Gundam Musou, imagine what will happen when games with a fanbase come out.

The PS2 has a huge fanbase that no console has quite cracked yet.  And as for the Wii different, console, different target audience, different games, and even the creator of Zelda complains about its sales and blames it on the new audience as well as the poor sales of Call of Duty and Need for Speed on the Wii.  The Wii will get games that are selling on it which are party and mini games.

1. Link the ps3 vs 360 sale in EU please... 

2. the EU is backing HD DVD

3. the only reason sony is ever silent is because they have nothing but bad news to report.  The 3.5 "ps3 sold" is even too high, imo.... otherwise, sony would be screming it from the rooftops as they do..

4. it's really odd just how gullible you guys are.. you do realize they're counting the free bundled movies with the ps3 as a "bluray sale", right..? ;)

MS needs to start supporting HD-DVD more. Regardless, this does not decide the High Def War. black_awpN1

XBL is doing a huge push for the Matrix set coming out this week. MS is supporting it as best they can.

[QUOTE="Danthegamingman"][QUOTE="jaminator45"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="jaminator45"]

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

Bread_or_Decide

I'm sorry I guess I missed your point.  Are you saying Blu-Ray will end up losing or something?  Or was that just an attempt to bash SOE electronics lol?  Whether or not you think SOE is good for the HD format or not, it's pretty clear they are going to win.  When Disney/BuenaVista, Fox, Columbia/SOE are putting exclusive titles on BR while only Universal is putting exclusive titles on HDD......you can see the writing on the wall. 

Not trying to bash Sony and not saying BD will lose. I have Sony products and for the most part love them. My TV is an SXRD and its awesome. And it was more expensive than most others because of proprietary technology. In that case it was clearly a better picture than DLP so i went with it.

What concerns me as a movie lover and as someone who owns over 500 DVDs, is whan i see a stand alone BluRay player selling for 800 bucks vs 299 for HDDVD, it makes me wonder how much I am going to have to pay in the future to get my favorite movies in HD. Is it gonna be 19.99 like the hddvd? or is it gonna be 29.99-34.99 like a lot of DB Disks.

Bottom line is I think this whole format war is complete BS and ALL of the companies involved should have agreed on a standard so that we can move forward and consumers dont get screwed over.

But if Blu-ray was created first, that makes HD DVD the unwanted step child, doesn't it?

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Danthegamingman"][QUOTE="jaminator45"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="jaminator45"]

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

Danthegamingman

I'm sorry I guess I missed your point.  Are you saying Blu-Ray will end up losing or something?  Or was that just an attempt to bash SOE electronics lol?  Whether or not you think SOE is good for the HD format or not, it's pretty clear they are going to win.  When Disney/BuenaVista, Fox, Columbia/SOE are putting exclusive titles on BR while only Universal is putting exclusive titles on HDD......you can see the writing on the wall. 

Not trying to bash Sony and not saying BD will lose. I have Sony products and for the most part love them. My TV is an SXRD and its awesome. And it was more expensive than most others because of proprietary technology. In that case it was clearly a better picture than DLP so i went with it.

What concerns me as a movie lover and as someone who owns over 500 DVDs, is whan i see a stand alone BluRay player selling for 800 bucks vs 299 for HDDVD, it makes me wonder how much I am going to have to pay in the future to get my favorite movies in HD. Is it gonna be 19.99 like the hddvd? or is it gonna be 29.99-34.99 like a lot of DB Disks.

Bottom line is I think this whole format war is complete BS and ALL of the companies involved should have agreed on a standard so that we can move forward and consumers dont get screwed over.

But if Blu-ray was created first, that makes HD DVD the unwanted step child, doesn't it?

Dude, it practically is.

Poor unwanted step childs...

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Danthegamingman"][QUOTE="jaminator45"][QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="jaminator45"]

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

Danthegamingman

I'm sorry I guess I missed your point.  Are you saying Blu-Ray will end up losing or something?  Or was that just an attempt to bash SOE electronics lol?  Whether or not you think SOE is good for the HD format or not, it's pretty clear they are going to win.  When Disney/BuenaVista, Fox, Columbia/SOE are putting exclusive titles on BR while only Universal is putting exclusive titles on HDD......you can see the writing on the wall. 

Not trying to bash Sony and not saying BD will lose. I have Sony products and for the most part love them. My TV is an SXRD and its awesome. And it was more expensive than most others because of proprietary technology. In that case it was clearly a better picture than DLP so i went with it.

What concerns me as a movie lover and as someone who owns over 500 DVDs, is whan i see a stand alone BluRay player selling for 800 bucks vs 299 for HDDVD, it makes me wonder how much I am going to have to pay in the future to get my favorite movies in HD. Is it gonna be 19.99 like the hddvd? or is it gonna be 29.99-34.99 like a lot of DB Disks.

Bottom line is I think this whole format war is complete BS and ALL of the companies involved should have agreed on a standard so that we can move forward and consumers dont get screwed over.

But if Blu-ray was created first, that makes HD DVD the unwanted step child, doesn't it?

Sales numbers certainly indicate that.

MS needs to start supporting HD-DVD more. Regardless, this does not decide the High Def War. black_awpN1

wait for it..

a very big box retailer is unusually quite... and the hd movie market is too big to pass up... ;)

The PS2 has a huge fanbase that no console has quite cracked yet. And as for the Wii different, console, different target audience, different games, and even the creator of Zelda complains about its sales and blames it on the new audience as well as the poor sales of Call of Duty and Need for Speed on the Wii. The Wii will get games that are selling on it which are party and mini games.

Javy03

ps2 fanbase :roll: most ps2 owners aren't rabid fanboys like you see on this or other game forums. they are casuals. Casuals determine a console war. not the hardcore.  and if you don't think that'll effect the ps3 you're dead wrong. if the ps3 can't capture the casual market. if it is out sold by the wii by 2x, you can bet that devs will support the ps3 about as much as they supported the GC. and finally for the games.  it's not like the ps3 has many great games and it's had YEARS for development time on the games. you'd expect a ps3 fan to have patience with other consoles ;)  also you probably don't think much of wii sports do you? it's a killer app. yes take your time to digest that. it is. it doesn't matter what you think of it. it's selling a lot of wii's and just selling itself too in Japan. 

Hardly a surprise.  Anyone looking to get into HD movies would be wise to chose BR over HD-DVD for the selection and support from the studios.  Not to mention the superior future that BR allows.   While the cheaper price of HD-DVD could have easily beaten the expensive BR players...people are able to look at the PS3 less as a gaming device and more like a cheap BR player that just happens to play games as well.

I think Sony is between a rock and a hard place right now.  There is no way they can lower the price to compete with the 360 or Wii without losing insane amounts of money they simply can't afford to lose.  If they were smart, they would start pushing BR and the PS3's BR capabilities.  Sony has much more to gain/lose with the success/failure or BR than they do with the success/failure of the PS3 as a gaming machine.  Gaming machines have a life of about 5-6 years without ever making much money..if any.  Whereas if Sony wins with BR, they will make money off every single movie/game sold off every BR player sold, people would be more likely to buy Sony 1080p TVs and of course the PS3 will sell as a result.

Sony has relied for too long on the PS brand name to move their other products.  Now that they have turned the company around, and are starting to show profits in their TV, etc. divisions, they should use the opposite approach...let the respected and long-term divisions sell the PS3.

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

Ontain

5.5 million shipped is far from killed, especially when the PS3 has only a handful of games being two new IPs and few mutliplats pushing it, while its competition has its biggest hit since Halo (GEOW) pushing it and a years worth of games. The PS3s are selling fine and the true thing thats hurting PS3 sales is the support Sony is continuing with the PS2. So far neither the the PS3 nor the 360 has convinced people from picking them up as opposed to the PS2 and whoever does that will be the successful console.

1. 5.5 SHIPPED. and only about 3.6 sell through for a 6-7 month old "hot" product at launch.

2. Last of the current gen for months now and most recently outsold 2-1 by the 360 and 4-1 by the wii in the US. It's doing better in Japan, but only against the 360. the wii still beats it almost 8-1. it's not breaking 10k a week.

this is from last gen's #1 company who's previous system was hot out of the gate basically killing the DC as soon as it came out in the US.

Also i find it ridiculous that you think the ps2 is hurting ps3 sales. Most ppl buying a ps2 at the end if it's cycle will not effect the system war this gen.

Comparison in Japan

as you can see the ps2 sold better than the wii is selling in japan.

Comparison in the US 

here you see the ps2 sell about as good as the wii in the US and both are twice that of the ps3.

the ps2 was also sold out for the first several months of launch in the US. and in the end the ppl that bought ps1's at the end of the ps1's life cycle aren't going to be the same ppl that buy the ps2 in the first couple of years. thus they don't really effect the outcome of the next gen. they just buy whatever is the cheapest and most popular at the time.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

ps3 helps BR sales.

BR inclusion (and price increase) kills ps3 sales ;)

 

alfy13

5.5 million shipped is far from killed, especially when the PS3 has only a handful of games being two new IPs and few mutliplats pushing it, while its competition has its biggest hit since Halo (GEOW) pushing it and a years worth of games. The PS3s are selling fine and the true thing thats hurting PS3 sales is the support Sony is continuing with the PS2. So far neither the the PS3 nor the 360 has convinced people from picking them up as opposed to the PS2 and whoever does that will be the successful console.

1. 5.5 SHIPPED. and only about 3.6 sell through for a 6-7 month old "hot" product at launch.

2. Last of the current gen for months now and most recently outsold 2-1 by the 360 and 4-1 by the wii in the US. It's doing better in Japan, but only against the 360. the wii still beats it almost 8-1. it's not breaking 10k a week.

this is from last gen's #1 company who's previous system was hot out of the gate basically killing the DC as soon as it came out in the US.

Also i find it ridiculous that you think the ps2 is hurting ps3 sales. Most ppl buying a ps2 at the end if it's cycle will not effect the system war this gen.

Comparison in Japan

as you can see the ps2 sold better than the wii is selling in japan.

Comparison in the US 

here you see the ps2 sell about as good as the wii in the US and both are twice that of the ps3.

the ps2 was also sold out for the first several months of launch in the US. and in the end the ppl that bought ps1's at the end of the ps1's life cycle aren't going to be the same ppl that buy the ps2 in the first couple of years. thus they don't really effect the outcome of the next gen. they just buy whatever is the cheapest and most popular at the time.

as far Wii go, im really happy that the underdog is doing well. but for the price, its not hard to see it will sell well.

1. the ps3 has not sold "almost 4 million".. stop with the lies.

2. the ps2 sold crazily becuaes sony touted the backwards compatibility aspect, with the smoother texturess and reduced load times.

3. i'm still waiting for ANYONE to put up a link showing the ps3 is outsellign the 360 in the EU....   one that generates from sony's reported numbers and MS... no vgcharts b.s...

what non of you seem to realize is that its only fanboys that would choose BD as the HD format for home theater purposes. All of you that are so concerned with the PS3 becoming a success have decided that BluRay is THE format so that your console will do well, and thats the only reason.

Anyone who has long term experience with Home Theater, and I am talking about 15 or 20 years here, not 2 years, knows that Sony has a history of creating format s not based on whats good for the consumer, but based on how Sony can create a situation with a patented product that will earn them royalties for the life of the product. They are not interested in creating a standard via a consortium such as the DVD Forum Group.

 

So the fact that the sales spiked with the launch of the PS3 is not that hard to understand. Ths PS3 counts for 90+% of BD sales.

jaminator45

hmm

i guess you didn't know that Sony is one of the creators of the CD, associated with the DVD development and also creator of a lot of medias like the SACD that is higly used by audiophiles around the world, because of it's high quality sound. And sony is quite well known for it's quality products.