PS3 is double what a X360 costs and still.........................

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Umm...in what world is 8 million considered "barely"? :?

Slambo86

In System Wars ofcourse :)

[QUOTE="Slambo86"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]

In System Wars ofcourse :)

Mr_Nordquist

Lol, but it IS catching up, it IS improving, it IS selling well...look at the current library of good titles and future titles. It's doing GOOD ENOUGH considering how it started off.Slambo86

[QUOTE="Mr_Nordquist"][QUOTE="Slambo86"] Exaggerated, sure..but with a year head start, cheaper price tag, more support and gaming library, the 360 COULD be doing better. Keep in mind the PS3's later start, fewer good titles (at the time) HIGH costs. Slambo86

one year head start didn't give 360 8 million more users...more like 4-5. i wonder how many of those 28 mil are on their 2nd or 3rd 360 is more interesting

whats amazing however is the attachment rate....ps3 doesn't nearly sell as much software as 360

[QUOTE="Slambo86"]

[QUOTE="Mr_Nordquist"] Compared to last gen the 360 is a lot more successful than the PS3 is. That's the thing you have to remember. The Playstation brand dwarfs the Xbox brand, but the Xbox ships more units, and has a much higher share of the software market? Xbox is not failing in any regard.Mr_Nordquist

one year head start didn't give 360 8 million more users...more like 4-5. i wonder how many of those 28 mil are on their 2nd or 3rd 360 is more interesting

whats amazing however is the attachment rate....ps3 doesn't nearly sell as much software as 360

jsmoke03

[QUOTE="Mr_Nordquist"][QUOTE="Slambo86"] And you think the 360 head start had nothing to do with that? If MS launched a year later or simultaneously with the PS3, it would have been a whole different story. The Xbox was late to the market with such little variety of good games compared to the PS2. 360 is pretty much the PS2 of this gen (kinda)Slambo86

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

What strange world do you live in if 7 million units more is "barely"?

Michael324

this is so true

I guess now that 360 outsells PS3 almost 2:1, the 10.000.000 gap will get even bigger by 2009 end

lol at everybody, people can 'spin' it all they want, but the FACT is that 360 is beating PS3 by 7-8 million and it is not a small number, and that gap aint closing anytime soon. whether it is selling at a faster rate or it is more expensive, it does not matter, no one cares. all they see is who has the bigger pe$%^, and 360's is a lot bigger, 8 million inches I presume.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]....No it isn't.. The Xbox360 arcade version basically NEEDS a hard drive to function totally.. Something that costs around $100.. Meaning the system costs $300..SUD123456

No. It. Does. Not.

It provides the same primary functionality as the Pro model....the ability to play all the games.

I think it says more about how well MS and the 360 are doing in the market now.

I don't mean this to sound like a fanboy comment, but the PS3 seems like a massive fall from grace compared to the all conquering Playstation 1 and 2. I mean they spanked the competition in the last two gens. But I don't think either will be more than 50/50 anytime soon.

I don't think people previously thought that MS would match PS almost 50/50 in the market this gen.

They keep each other on their toes, win/win for us.

I think it says more about how well MS and the 360 are doing in the market now.

I don't mean this to sound like a fanboy comment, but the PS3 seems like a massive fall from grace compared to the all conquering Playstation 1 and 2. I mean they spanked the competition in the last two gens. But I don't think either will be more than 50/50 anytime soon.

I don't think people previously thought that MS would match PS almost 50/50 in the market this gen.

They keep each other on their toes, win/win for us.

Darth_DuMas

[QUOTE="Darth_DuMas"]

I think it says more about how well MS and the 360 are doing in the market now.

I don't mean this to sound like a fanboy comment, but the PS3 seems like a massive fall from grace compared to the all conquering Playstation 1 and 2. I mean they spanked the competition in the last two gens. But I don't think either will be more than 50/50 anytime soon.

I don't think people previously thought that MS would match PS almost 50/50 in the market this gen.

They keep each other on their toes, win/win for us.

Slambo86

Well MS didn't gain any market share on their own, the PS division practically gave it away. The brand power of the Playstation would be enough to hold off the 360 easily if the PS3 came out as an inexpensive easier to develop for games machine.

MS would be struggling to convince developers and publishers to risk with them, if the PS was an easier less expensive machine. it seems to me that Playstation had a market advantage that they let go for some technology that doesn't really seem worth it.

The brand power of the Playstation was immense.

7 mil is alot closer then 100mil (ps2)bayareahusla

Yep...unfortunatly the company that were 100mil ahead is the one that is 7mil behind :P

wow i contributed to those sales numbers cause i got both consoles... :P (small things that make life so much better) lol

cows should give up on sales, the ps3 has lost as far as sales are concerned, games on the other hand is a different matter, the wii may be winning in sales, but it ain't winning in games, that's a battle between the ps3 and the 360 for first place, and that battle, my friends, is far from over.delta3074

Well, the war is over as far as RPG's, huge 50-100 hours games, adventures and strategy games are concerned, 360 is the clear winner by a million times for me

you cant kill microsoft........dudes........they have billions, they enter markets and dominate them (ie windows) i already knew what was gonna eventualy happen when microsoft first announced them entering the console race, sony is currently dominating no markets incase noone knew, Samsung has replaced sony as the top dog in Japan, ya know i always thought that was why they really brought out blu ray

[QUOTE="delta3074"]cows should give up on sales, the ps3 has lost as far as sales are concerned, games on the other hand is a different matter, the wii may be winning in sales, but it ain't winning in games, that's a battle between the ps3 and the 360 for first place, and that battle, my friends, is far from over.obamanian

Well, the war is over as far as RPG's, huge 50-100 hours games, adventures and strategy games are concerned, 360 is the clear winner by a million times for me

Can we stop with the 360 had a year head start excuse? The Wii, released a year after the 360, stomps both the 360 and the PS3 in terms of sales, and costs more than the cheapest 360. So the early release/cheaper price arguement doesn't hold much weight. And if we are going to make the "head start" excuse, why don't we just say that Sony had a head start in world of consoles?

Asmany other have stated, when is 8 mil "barely" anything (current US "stimulus" package aside)? I would like to have "barely" 8 mil dollars to get by on.

What I think is impressive about the 360 is that it has sold 1 million units in. . .Japan! With Japanese indifference to non-Japanese electronics, I would say this is impressive, considering that the PS3 has only sold 3 million. Further, despite its suppossedly unusually high failure rate, the 360 (LTD) isdoubling the sales of the PS3 in America (16 mil vs. 8 mil).

And for the record, the 360 outsold the PS3 in 2008 (11.1 vs 10.3). I thought I read someone's post claiming the opposite.

...Soooo, a 30% lead is "barely winning"? Good Lord, someone has to do something about the schools these days...look what's happening as a result.

...Soooo, a 30% lead is "barely winning"? Good Lord, someone has to do something about the schools these days...look what's happening as a result.

Verge_6

Can we stop with the 360 had a year head start excuse? The Wii, released a year after the 360, stomps both the 360 and the PS3 in terms of sales, and costs more than the cheapest 360. So the early release/cheaper price arguement doesn't hold much weight. And if we are going to make the "head start" excuse, why don't we just say that Sony had a head start in world of consoles?

Asmany other have stated, when is 8 mil "barely" anything (current US "stimulus" package aside)? I would like to have "barely" 8 mil dollars to get by on.

What I think is impressive about the 360 is that it has sold 1 million units in. . .Japan! With Japanese indifference to non-Japanese electronics, I would say this is impressive, considering that the PS3 has only sold 3 million. Further, despite its suppossedly unusually high failure rate, the 360 (LTD) isdoubling the sales of the PS3 in America (16 mil vs. 8 mil).

And for the record, the 360 outsold the PS3 in 2008 (11.1 vs 10.3). I thought I read someone's post claiming the opposite.

WardCleaver02

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]

What strange world do you live in if 7 million units more is "barely"?

Michael324

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

...Soooo, a 30% lead is "barely winning"? Good Lord, someone has to do something about the schools these days...look what's happening as a result.

hoosier7

Because the ps3 has better and more exclusives than the 360. Plus ps3 has better features.

Why is the X360 just barely winning?Michael324

[QUOTE="WardCleaver02"]

Can we stop with the 360 had a year head start excuse? The Wii, released a year after the 360, stomps both the 360 and the PS3 in terms of sales, and costs more than the cheapest 360. So the early release/cheaper price arguement doesn't hold much weight. And if we are going to make the "head start" excuse, why don't we just say that Sony had a head start in world of consoles?

Asmany other have stated, when is 8 mil "barely" anything (current US "stimulus" package aside)? I would like to have "barely" 8 mil dollars to get by on.

What I think is impressive about the 360 is that it has sold 1 million units in. . .Japan! With Japanese indifference to non-Japanese electronics, I would say this is impressive, considering that the PS3 has only sold 3 million. Further, despite its suppossedly unusually high failure rate, the 360 (LTD) isdoubling the sales of the PS3 in America (16 mil vs. 8 mil).

And for the record, the 360 outsold the PS3 in 2008 (11.1 vs 10.3). I thought I read someone's post claiming the opposite.

Slambo86

cows should give up on sales, the ps3 has lost as far as sales are concerned, delta3074

Can we stop with the 360 had a year head start excuse? The Wii, released a year after the 360, stomps both the 360 and the PS3 in terms of sales, and costs more than the cheapest 360. So the early release/cheaper price arguement doesn't hold much weight. And if we are going to make the "head start" excuse, why don't we just say that Sony had a head start in world of consoles?

Asmany other have stated, when is 8 mil "barely" anything (current US "stimulus" package aside)? I would like to have "barely" 8 mil dollars to get by on.

What I think is impressive about the 360 is that it has sold 1 million units in. . .Japan! With Japanese indifference to non-Japanese electronics, I would say this is impressive, considering that the PS3 has only sold 3 million. Further, despite its suppossedly unusually high failure rate, the 360 (LTD) isdoubling the sales of the PS3 in America (16 mil vs. 8 mil).

And for the record, the 360 outsold the PS3 in 2008 (11.1 vs 10.3). I thought I read someone's post claiming the opposite.

WardCleaver02

Even though..... 3 to 1 that's like 33% of Ps3 sales

Plus 8 mil is the units, not the money, in money that would be like (about) 300*8,000,000= $2,400,000,000...... ouch

Why is the X360 just barely winning?Michael324

I lol'd.

cows should give up on sales, delta3074

So should Lemmings.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]cows should give up on sales, Silverbond

So should Lemmings.

just a quick question:

how many of you (the consumers) care about the sales? shouldn't you leave the worry to MS and Sony?

sales do not affect the people buying the piece of hardware.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]The Playstation brand name as always been strong and popular, I don't see why this is surprising that the PS3 is slowly, but surely, gaining ground. Granted even if the Xbox 360 didn't sell a single console ever again, it would still take the PS3 almost a year to pass the Xbox 360. That lead is quite substantial no matter how you slice it. Not like it's important anyways though.Mr_Apple_Soup

this...unless sony is at risk of going under, i dont see what's so bad about pushing over 20million ps3's in two years

it would be nice if they started making profit though...theyre trying so hard this year with all the epic exclusives...

[QUOTE="delta3074"]cows should give up on sales, the ps3 has lost as far as sales are concerned, CajunShooter

Because these are consumer products, not marathon runners.

And consumer products follow a well known adoption curve.

The first half of the curve are innovators, early adopoters and the early majority. The back half of the curve is the late majority, latecomers, and laggards. The back half of the curve takes its cue from the front half. This is the effect of word of mouth, solidifying public perception etc.

The PS2 trounced the competition because of its success in 2001, 2002, 2003. What happened in later years was just an extension of the fact that the first half of purchasers had already decided who the winner was going to be. The PS2 was the in thing...the winner....so of course everbody then bought the PS2.

The same thing has happened this generation. The Wii has already won and is unstoppable. Second and third could probably still go either way, but both are going to be distant also rans.

The PS3 is excellent, but over priced, and doesn't deliver much if anything more than the 360, except it has BD. It does offer the most however, and it is Sony...so its worth a looksee. That is the public image of the PS3 and it won't change.

The 360 is excellent, offers essentially the same things as the PS3, except it doesn't have BD. Too bad its a POS from a quality control perspective, but thank goodness it has a warranty. However, it is a lot cheaper, a great deal, and what the heck...it is pretty much the same as the PS3 for less. That is the public image of the 360 and it won't change.

The Wii is the funk. Gotta have it. Not entirely sure why. But what the heck, it doesn't cost a bundle and it seems to entertain a wide range of people. And it is family friendly. That is the public image of the Wii and it won't change.

There are already 100 million consoles sold. By the end of this year we will reach the halfway mark. If the Wii has roughly 50% marketshare now, it will retain that throughout the year, and then throughout the generation. The other 50% will be split by the also rans and that will be close to 50/50 between them regardless of which one eeks out the loss :)

This is because the second half of people are going to buy based upon the public perceptions driven by the first half of people who bought first.

Unless there is some earthshattering event, the current public images are going to move from moist still settlingform to solid need a jackhammer concrete real soon.

you cant kill microsoft........dudes........they have billions, they enter markets and dominate them (ie windows) i already knew what was gonna eventualy happen when microsoft first announced them entering the console race, sony is currently dominating no markets incase noone knew, Samsung has replaced sony as the top dog in Japan, ya know i always thought that was why they really brought out blu ray

Euroshinobi

Can we stop with the 360 had a year head start excuse? The Wii, released a year after the 360, stomps both the 360 and the PS3 in terms of sales, and costs more than the cheapest 360. So the early release/cheaper price arguement doesn't hold much weight. And if we are going to make the "head start" excuse, why don't we just say that Sony had a head start in world of consoles?

Asmany other have stated, when is 8 mil "barely" anything (current US "stimulus" package aside)? I would like to have "barely" 8 mil dollars to get by on.

What I think is impressive about the 360 is that it has sold 1 million units in. . .Japan! With Japanese indifference to non-Japanese electronics, I would say this is impressive, considering that the PS3 has only sold 3 million. Further, despite its suppossedly unusually high failure rate, the 360 (LTD) isdoubling the sales of the PS3 in America (16 mil vs. 8 mil).

And for the record, the 360 outsold the PS3 in 2008 (11.1 vs 10.3). I thought I read someone's post claiming the opposite.

WardCleaver02

[QUOTE="delta3074"]cows should give up on sales, the ps3 has lost as far as sales are concerned, games on the other hand is a different matter, the wii may be winning in sales, but it ain't winning in games, that's a battle between the ps3 and the 360 for first place, and that battle, my friends, is far from over.obamanian

Well, the war is over as far as RPG's, huge 50-100 hours games, adventures and strategy games are concerned, 360 is the clear winner by a million times for me

Well for a machine with hardware failures all over the place, more expensive (according to cows), and with much weaker brand recognition; I would say that the 360 has done great and still is doing great.

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"][QUOTE="delta3074"]cows should give up on sales, the ps3 has lost as far as sales are concerned, SUD123456

Because these are consumer products, not marathon runners.

And consumer products follow a well known adoption curve.

The first half of the curve are innovators, early adopoters and the early majority. The back half of the curve is the late majority, latecomers, and laggards. The back half of the curve takes its cue from the front half. This is the effect of word of mouth, solidifying public perception etc.

The PS2 trounced the competition because of its success in 2001, 2002, 2003. What happened in later years was just an extension of the fact that the first half of purchasers had already decided who the winner was going to be. The PS2 was the in thing...the winner....so of course everbody then bought the PS2.

The same thing has happened this generation. The Wii has already won and is unstoppable. Second and third could probably still go either way, but both are going to be distant also rans.

The PS3 is excellent, but over priced, and doesn't deliver much if anything more than the 360, except it has BD. It does offer the most however, and it is Sony...so its worth a looksee. That is the public image of the PS3 and it won't change.

The 360 is excellent, offers essentially the same things as the PS3, except it doesn't have BD. Too bad its a POS from a quality control perspective, but thank goodness it has a warranty. However, it is a lot cheaper, a great deal, and what the heck...it is pretty much the same as the PS3 for less. That is the public image of the 360 and it won't change.

The Wii is the funk. Gotta have it. Not entirely sure why. But what the heck, it doesn't cost a bundle and it seems to entertain a wide range of people. And it is family friendly. That is the public image of the Wii and it won't change.

There are already 100 million consoles sold. By the end of this year we will reach the halfway mark. If the Wii has roughly 50% marketshare now, it will retain that throughout the year, and then throughout the generation. The other 50% will be split by the also rans and that will be close to 50/50 between them regardless of which one eeks out the loss :)

This is because the second half of people are going to buy based upon the public perceptions driven by the first half of people who bought first.

Unless there is some earthshattering event, the current public images are going to move from moist still settlingform to solid need a jackhammer concrete real soon.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"] How has the PS3 lost in sales? Last time I checked both systems are still selling. Why is everyone trying to call the winner in the first third of the race. When running a 10 mile race the winner isn't determined by who is in the lead at the 1 mile mark. It is who is first at the end.12345678ew

Because these are consumer products, not marathon runners.

And consumer products follow a well known adoption curve.

The first half of the curve are innovators, early adopoters and the early majority. The back half of the curve is the late majority, latecomers, and laggards. The back half of the curve takes its cue from the front half. This is the effect of word of mouth, solidifying public perception etc.

The PS2 trounced the competition because of its success in 2001, 2002, 2003. What happened in later years was just an extension of the fact that the first half of purchasers had already decided who the winner was going to be. The PS2 was the in thing...the winner....so of course everbody then bought the PS2.

The same thing has happened this generation. The Wii has already won and is unstoppable. Second and third could probably still go either way, but both are going to be distant also rans.

The PS3 is excellent, but over priced, and doesn't deliver much if anything more than the 360, except it has BD. It does offer the most however, and it is Sony...so its worth a looksee. That is the public image of the PS3 and it won't change.

The 360 is excellent, offers essentially the same things as the PS3, except it doesn't have BD. Too bad its a POS from a quality control perspective, but thank goodness it has a warranty. However, it is a lot cheaper, a great deal, and what the heck...it is pretty much the same as the PS3 for less. That is the public image of the 360 and it won't change.

The Wii is the funk. Gotta have it. Not entirely sure why. But what the heck, it doesn't cost a bundle and it seems to entertain a wide range of people. And it is family friendly. That is the public image of the Wii and it won't change.

There are already 100 million consoles sold. By the end of this year we will reach the halfway mark. If the Wii has roughly 50% marketshare now, it will retain that throughout the year, and then throughout the generation. The other 50% will be split by the also rans and that will be close to 50/50 between them regardless of which one eeks out the loss :)

This is because the second half of people are going to buy based upon the public perceptions driven by the first half of people who bought first.

Unless there is some earthshattering event, the current public images are going to move from moist still settlingform to solid need a jackhammer concrete real soon.

Denying reality is not a good way to go through life.

Somehow I don't think MS and Sony are thrilled to see the big N crushing them.