PS3 to outsell Xbox 360 by 2012 - Analyst

Sony PS2 sold like hotcakes, and yet it wasnt enough steam for their PS3 to blast past the 360, evne with a year head start, which by the way is every COWS excuse as to why PS3 is still in last place! It's in last place, not because it came out a year early, but because of slow sales due to lack of games (in the beginning) and an extremely high launch price, followed shortly by the removal of features both hardware and software. It didn't start selling like crazy until the price dropped significantly. Even still, some developers still consider it a hard system to program for in terms of getting full power out of it vs the 360.

PS3 is a failure ocmpared the the PS2, since the PS2 set the bar way too high and Sony got arrogant. Xbox 1 set the bar really low, but it was also their first entry in the market, and seeing as the second entry has done so well, I would guess they have big plans for the third entry. I'm quite shocked that the ps3 hasn't outsold it already, that only means that MS has stolen a lot of marketshare from Sony. That, in my books, is a big win for MS. At this point in the race, it doesn't even matter who wins now, because it's getting close to the end of this generation. Had this not been a "double length" generation, Sony would have lost the race years ago.

Seems three is a bad number, when you look at the N64 (nintendo's third console) losing their market share, and PS3 (son'y third console) losing its market share... I suppose its MS turn next round.

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[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]

Well, now the big dawgs are talkin about the PS3 outselling the 360 with 360 still havin a 1 year head start.. i noticed someone on my facebook said yesterday PS3 finally outsold the 360, but im pretty sure that's not real, think its like 44M to 42M at this point. anyway, good read, here

Kane04

how many times has that date been post poned now?

Had this not been a "double length" generation, Sony would have lost the race years ago.

Phazevariance

And besides, it doesn't matter who releases a new console first. Did Sega releasing Dreamcast first mean that they won the gen prior with Saturn? Hell no!

I gave my 360 to my boys...I bought a PS3. Its nice and ahead of the 360 in many ways. BUT this gen belongs to 360...I dont even care that the Wii has supposedly sold more. EVERYONE has a 360. Its the "PS2" of this gen. The PS3 will outsell the 360 but thats after MS has moved on to the 720. Sony better get its price right, its processors right, and SONY better gets its marketing right or SONY will never regain anything after this gen.

[QUOTE="myke2010"]

Xbox increased it's marketshare significantly and has made a profit. Sony lost most of it's market share along with the money it made last gen. That's what I call MS doing leaps and bounds better than Sony.

Also, Sony didn't gain any brand recognition this gen. They used to be synonymous with console gaming last gen to the degree that Nintendo was with the orignal NES. Now you are much more likely to hear about the 360 or Wii than you are the PS3.

Finally, why do you bring up Sony's other systems? They have nothing to do with the fact that the PS3 has performed far worse for Sony than anyone could have predicted. It makes about as much sense as bringing up the success of Windows to justify 360 getting stomped by the Wii.

santoron

You wanna talk about marketshare, profitability, and brand recognition... but don't understand what Sony's other systems have to do with those factors? :roll:

No, I understand those factors perfectly. I just don't see how they're relevant to the the PS3 performing poorly this gen. It's like saying the Apple Pippen was awesome becuase the iPod was such a big success. The success or failure of Sony's other products doesn't change the fact that the PS3 sold far under expectations.

You also gotta think about how when the PS3 released the slim there was a huge flock of 360 users who bought it.

Its certainly possible that this could happen. Honestly, though, whatever you think about Sony or Microsoft, there has been quite a power shift this generation. Microsoft definitely took some wind out of the Playstation sails. I remember that PS2 absolutely dominating last generation. With the PS3, this hasn't really been the case.

[QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"]It'll outsell it once GT5 comes out in its first few months.AdobeArtist

Not to be rude, but the very same was said when it came to the imminent release of MGS4, GOW3, KZ2, Uncharted 1, hell even Motorstorm back in the day.

yea I agree sony will come out swingin next gen, and won't (shouldnt) make the same mistakes they did this gen... But witj all the roadblocks placed in front of the ps3, it's still a huge success, just not as huge as wii or 360 this time around. It's a good thing tho... Yaknow, it's boring when the yankees win the world series every yearRenzokucant

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]yea I agree sony will come out swingin next gen, and won't (shouldnt) make the same mistakes they did this gen... But witj all the roadblocks placed in front of the ps3, it's still a huge success, just not as huge as wii or 360 this time around. It's a good thing tho... Yaknow, it's boring when the yankees win the world series every yearheretrix

I dont even care that the Wii has supposedly sold more. EVERYONE has a 360. Its the "PS2" of this genVanDammFan

Wait, what? Supposedly sold more? Lol, and no, the 360 isn't the PS2 of this gen.

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]

Well, now the big dawgs are talkin about the PS3 outselling the 360 with 360 still havin a 1 year head start.. i noticed someone on my facebook said yesterday PS3 finally outsold the 360, but im pretty sure that's not real, think its like 44M to 42M at this point. anyway, good read, here

how many times has that date been post poned now?

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]I dont even care that the Wii has supposedly sold more. EVERYONE has a 360. Its the "PS2" of this genbleehum

Wait, what? Supposedly sold more? Lol, and no, the 360 isn't the PS2 of this gen.

I say supposedly because we in the outside world dont know facts about anything..AND yes...The 360 IS the PS2 this gen. No matter what you might think.

How much more can we push the goal posts? By 2012 will it even be relevant?

I wonder if GT5 will be a huge or small boosy in the ps3 salesRenzokucant

It does not matter is Sony takes second or not. They have been reduced to just one of the crowd in comparison to their PS2 success. Sony fired all of their staff that made the PS2 successful due to their absolute failure coming out the gate with the PS3. Sony has gone from 75% market share to less than 33%. Let that sink in for a moment. On the other hand Msoft has increased its market share, and turned a sizeable profit to boot. But second place for Sony is a win :roll:

kuu2

Lets wait until this gen is over before saying who has one or not been a failure. Anyway all 3 consoles have been far from failures.

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]I wonder if GT5 will be a huge or small boosy in the ps3 salesXanderZane

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[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]yea I agree sony will come out swingin next gen, and won't (shouldnt) make the same mistakes they did this gen... But witj all the roadblocks placed in front of the ps3, it's still a huge success, just not as huge as wii or 360 this time around. It's a good thing tho... Yaknow, it's boring when the yankees win the world series every yearRenzokucant

It's like Toyota selling 2 million vehicles in 2009 and then the next year selling under a million,

Your example would be a Best Buy salesperson sells 50 consoles in one day then never doing it again.

[QUOTE="kuu2"]

It does not matter is Sony takes second or not. They have been reduced to just one of the crowd in comparison to their PS2 success. Sony fired all of their staff that made the PS2 successful due to their absolute failure coming out the gate with the PS3. Sony has gone from 75% market share to less than 33%. Let that sink in for a moment. On the other hand Msoft has increased its market share, and turned a sizeable profit to boot. But second place for Sony is a win :roll:

CajunShooter

Lets wait until this gen is over before saying who has one or not been a failure. Anyway all 3 consoles have been far from failures.

that will never happen though unless you honestly think the ps3 has another 100+ million units sold left in it. which is VERY unrealistic.

Well, now the big dawgs are talkin about the PS3 outselling the 360 with 360 still havin a 1 year head start.. i noticed someone on my facebook said yesterday PS3 finally outsold the 360, but im pretty sure that's not real, think its like 44M to 42M at this point. anyway, good read, here

Renzokucant

360 is 3-4 million ahead and now with Kinect the sales got 10x bigger

Also makes little difference, since 360 outsells PS3 by 10 million in US, where it matters and are same in Europe, os 360 has the most important markets

The implementation of the new XBL and achievements with the new console turned out to be a damn good idea .You can say what you want about MS (and many will) but for good or bad, they kind of laid the foundation for this gen with the focus on multiplayer gaming and the implementation of achievements.

and ugh. really horrible microtransactions.

heretrix

Good point. Console Gaming would look a heckuva lot different if MS wasn't around.

When have analysts ever been right? Im honestly trying to remember the last time an analyst was right and can't think of a single time. With Kinect and Move launching we have to wait and see how that plays out.

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[QUOTE="Phazevariance"] Had this not been a "double length" generation, Sony would have lost the race years ago.

kuu2

And besides, it doesn't matter who releases a new console first. Did Sega releasing Dreamcast first mean that they won the gen prior with Saturn? Hell no!

If Msoft had not had RROD Sony would be a distant blip on the radar.

So I guess 2012 will finally be the year of the PS3?

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]

Well, now the big dawgs are talkin about the PS3 outselling the 360 with 360 still havin a 1 year head start.. i noticed someone on my facebook said yesterday PS3 finally outsold the 360, but im pretty sure that's not real, think its like 44M to 42M at this point. anyway, good read, here

AbleFa3

360 is 3-4 million ahead and now with Kinect the sales got 10x bigger

Also makes little difference, since 360 outsells PS3 by 10 million in US, where it matters and are same in Europe, os 360 has the most important markets

ps3 owns

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"] Had this not been a "double length" generation, Sony would have lost the race years ago.

nervmeister

And besides, it doesn't matter who releases a new console first. Did Sega releasing Dreamcast first mean that they won the gen prior with Saturn? Hell no!

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[QUOTE="myke2010"]

Xbox increased it's marketshare significantly and has made a profit. Sony lost most of it's market share along with the money it made last gen. That's what I call MS doing leaps and bounds better than Sony.

Also, Sony didn't gain any brand recognition this gen. They used to be synonymous with console gaming last gen to the degree that Nintendo was with the orignal NES. Now you are much more likely to hear about the 360 or Wii than you are the PS3.

Finally, why do you bring up Sony's other systems? They have nothing to do with the fact that the PS3 has performed far worse for Sony than anyone could have predicted. It makes about as much sense as bringing up the success of Windows to justify 360 getting stomped by the Wii.

myke2010

You wanna talk about marketshare, profitability, and brand recognition... but don't understand what Sony's other systems have to do with those factors? :roll:

No, I understand those factors perfectly. I just don't see how they're relevant to the the PS3 performing poorly this gen. It's like saying the Apple Pippen was awesome becuase the iPod was such a big success. The success or failure of Sony's other products doesn't change the fact that the PS3 sold far under expectations.

Well you weren't saying PS3. You were saying Sony. Sony's game division has multiple platforms, so if you wanna talk Sony, you're talking about all three. You can't really talk about the PS3 losing all of its marketshare... because marketshare doesn't transfer from product to product. And if you wanna talk Sony's market share, it serves to note that the PS2 has outsold the PS3 and 360 this gen. Same with the PSP. :|

I suppose you can't really argue the PS3 has not met sales expectations, if only because expectations are completely up to the individual. If your expectation was the PS3 would sell around the rate of the PS2, then you're right. But that was an awfully optimistic expectation you had. If the expectation was that it would sell around the rate of the PS1, then it has come close to expectations this far in (about two million less sold in the same time frame, iirc). If the expectation was that it would do far worse than either of those two, then it has outperformed.

Personally, I don't see the reasoning that the PS3 had to meet/exceed PS2 sales to be considered a success. That would be like saying every Michael Jackson album after Thriller was a failure because they didn't become the new greatest selling album of all time, every Pokemon game has failed since Red/Blue, and Inception was a disaster for not out-grossing The Dark Knight...

We'll be in the next-generation by then. A bit late for Sony.

Why can't we just be friends :cry:

[QUOTE="heretrix"]The implementation of the new XBL and achievements with the new console turned out to be a damn good idea .You can say what you want about MS (and many will) but for good or bad, they kind of laid the foundation for this gen with the focus on multiplayer gaming and the implementation of achievements.

and ugh. really horrible microtransactions.

santoron

Good point. Console Gaming would look a heckuva lot different if MS wasn't around.

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]

Well, now the big dawgs are talkin about the PS3 outselling the 360 with 360 still havin a 1 year head start.. i noticed someone on my facebook said yesterday PS3 finally outsold the 360, but im pretty sure that's not real, think its like 44M to 42M at this point. anyway, good read, here

AbleFa3

360 is 3-4 million ahead and now with Kinect the sales got 10x bigger

Also makes little difference, since 360 outsells PS3 by 10 million in US, where it matters and are same in Europe, os 360 has the most important markets

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"] Had this not been a "double length" generation, Sony would have lost the race years ago.

And besides, it doesn't matter who releases a new console first. Did Sega releasing Dreamcast first mean that they won the gen prior with Saturn? Hell no!

Why do the people here care which console sells marginally more? Isn't it about the games that get released on the consoles?

Why do the people here care which console sells marginally more? Isn't it about the games that get released on the consoles?

JW-toch

Why do the people here care which console sells marginally more? Isn't it about the games that get released on the consoles?

JW-toch

[QUOTE="JW-toch"]

Why do the people here care which console sells marginally more? Isn't it about the games that get released on the consoles?

nervmeister

This is so sad, that there are people still out there that think that the 360 is ahead of the PS3. here is a little eye opener for everyone.

360 44.6 million divided by 5 years = 8.92 million sold per year.

PS3 41.6 million divided by 4 years = 10.4 million sold per year.

lets even this out now shall we?

360 8.92 million sold per year multiplied by 5 years = 44.6 million sold in 5 years.

PS3 10.4 million sold per year multiplied by 5 years = 52 million sold in 5 years.

If both consoles came out at the same time 5 years ago, the PS3 would have a 7.4 million console lead.

Sorry people but PS3 has been outselling 360 for awhile now. Its pretty sad that MS has to have a year head start just to be able skew their numbers to make people think that they're winning the HD Console Gaming War, when in fact they aren't even close to the sales per year that Sony is getting.

You all can keep that blind fold on, mines been off for awhile now and I'll continue to see it how it is. The Law of Averages always evens out.

I think a reason why the PS3 has done so well is mostly due to Blu-Ray. The PS3 was the major driving foce behind the success of Blu-Ray, and now that it has become mainstream, people will buy a PS3 over a Wii or 360.

That's quite impressive that the PS3 is only 3 million lower than the 360.

This reminds me when the PS2 got off to a slow start against the DC.

I've read that actually the PS3 could surpass the 360 in sales by Christmas or 2011 January.

http://www.totalvideogames.com/PlayStation-3/news/PS3-Sales-To-Overtake-Xbox-360-In-2011-14421.html

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]

so by the time this gen is over the ps3 will have finally caught up? wow.

lazerface216

yeah but who's to stop microsoft or any other company from coming out with the next gen system? lol this gen doesn't end when sony wants it to.

This is so sad, that there are people still out there that think that the 360 is ahead of the PS3. here is a little eye opener for everyone.

360 44.6 million divided by 5 years = 8.92 million sold per year.

PS3 41.6 million divided by 4 years = 10.4 million sold per year.

lets even this out now shall we?

360 8.92 million sold per year multiplied by 5 years = 44.6 million sold in 5 years.

PS3 10.4 million sold per year multiplied by 5 years = 52 million sold in 5 years.

If both consoles came out at the same time 5 years ago, the PS3 would have a 7.4 million console lead.

Sorry people but PS3 has been outselling 360 for awhile now. Its pretty sad that MS has to have a year head start just to be able skew their numbers to make people think that they're winning the HD Console Gaming War, when in fact they aren't even close to the sales per year that Sony is getting.

You all can keep that blind fold on, mines been off for awhile now and I'll continue to see it how it is. The Law of Averages always evens out.

The_saint1976

44 is larger than 41. true story.The 360 IS still ahead.

The one year headstart is nonsense since the Wii outsold the 360 and it came out a year later also.It in fact came out within a week of the PS3.So one year really doesn't make a difference at all.

The fact is by the time the PS3 catches up with the 360 IT WONT MATTER.It already doesn't matter.

That's how it is my good man.

[QUOTE="The_saint1976"]

This is so sad, that there are people still out there that think that the 360 is ahead of the PS3. here is a little eye opener for everyone.

360 44.6 million divided by 5 years = 8.92 million sold per year.

PS3 41.6 million divided by 4 years = 10.4 million sold per year.

lets even this out now shall we?

360 8.92 million sold per year multiplied by 5 years = 44.6 million sold in 5 years.

PS3 10.4 million sold per year multiplied by 5 years = 52 million sold in 5 years.

If both consoles came out at the same time 5 years ago, the PS3 would have a 7.4 million console lead.

Sorry people but PS3 has been outselling 360 for awhile now. Its pretty sad that MS has to have a year head start just to be able skew their numbers to make people think that they're winning the HD Console Gaming War, when in fact they aren't even close to the sales per year that Sony is getting.

You all can keep that blind fold on, mines been off for awhile now and I'll continue to see it how it is. The Law of Averages always evens out.

heretrix

44 is larger than 41. true story.The 360 IS still ahead.

The one year headstart is nonsense since the Wii outsold the 360 and it came out a year later also.It in fact came out within a week of the PS3.So one year really doesn't make a difference at all.

The fact is by the time the PS3 catches up with the 360 IT WONT MATTER.It already doesn't matter.

That's how it is my good man.

thats how it is, heretrix says thats how it is everybody, time to go home now, shows over... orrrrrr keep discussin! i heard MS just announced they have no plans to make another 360...

here's a link to the forum that discusses how there will not be plans for another 360, guess that argument of xbox starting the next gen is null huh