PS3 to outsell Xbox 360 by 2012 - Analyst

[QUOTE="myke2010"]

Considering that the next gen systems are most likely right around the corner, big deal. If the best Sony can do this gen is catch up to the next to last place console, that's just sad. What would be hilarious though would be if Nintendo released whatever next gen system that will replace the Wii and it also passes the PS3 in sales before the PS3 can catch up to the 360.

djsifer01

Maybe, maybe not. Wii sales are beginning to plateau and a next gen Wii probably wouldn't cost Nintendo all that much to develop if they carry on this gen's philosophy regarding lower end hardware to maintain their profit margins. A 2012 release for a new Nintendo console wouldn't surprise me in the least.

In regards to sad for MS, I'm fairly certain MS doesn't think doubling their marketshare while making a decent profit is sad in the least.

Regardless of wether it happens or not, its still impressive on the PS3s part that its actualy getting the chance now considering the hate it got originaly.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

The damage is done. They have actually won already.All they needed to do is get established in the household.The Xbox is just as recognizable a brand name in video games worldwide as is Sony or Nintendo.

shinrabanshou

As a brand it's become established and strong in the US and UK.

Nintendo's 30+ year history in the industry and the dominance of the PS1 and still-at-retail PS2 over the course of over a decade cemented both of those brands, at least for now, as synonymous with gaming worldwide. Although much damage was done to the latter this gen, and the former over the previous two gens.

But you don't get that level of brand recognition by coming a distant second place twice.

Even in Japan where it is pretty much laughed at, people know it's there.

the only reason ps3 is catching up is because of japan, where it sells about 500-600 000 more consoles than the xbox every month. Japanese only buy japanese consoles. Americans should start buying only american consoles but that will never happen. Americans usually buy 99% of their stuff from china so what do you expect.

Xbox increased it's marketshare significantly and has made a profit. Sony lost most of it's market share along with the money it made last gen. That's what I call MS doing leaps and bounds better than Sony.

Also, Sony didn't gain any brand recognition this gen. They used to be synonymous with console gaming last gen to the degree that Nintendo was with the orignal NES. Now you are much more likely to hear about the 360 or Wii than you are the PS3.

Finally, why do you bring up Sony's other systems? They have nothing to do with the fact that the PS3 has performed far worse for Sony than anyone could have predicted. It makes about as much sense as bringing up the success of Windows to justify 360 getting stomped by the Wii.

myke2010

You wanna talk about marketshare, profitability, and brand recognition... but don't understand what Sony's other systems have to do with those factors? :roll:

the only reason ps3 is catching up is because of japan, where it sells about 500-600 000 more consoles than the xbox every month. Japanese only buy japanese consoles. Americans should start buying only american consoles but that will never happen. Americans usually buy 99% of their stuff from china so what do you expect.

blaznwiipspman1

:lol: No.

the PS3 has been selling around 20,000 more PS3s in Japan than the 360 each week, or less than 100,000 a month. The current monthly gap in Japan doesn't quite cover the recent monthly gaps in NA.

the only reason ps3 is catching up is because of japan, where it sells about 500-600 000 more consoles than the xbox every month. Japanese only buy japanese consoles. Americans should start buying only american consoles but that will never happen. Americans usually buy 99% of their stuff from china so what do you expect.

blaznwiipspman1

Get your facts straight before you talk. PS3 doesn't sell more than the Xbox360 by 500,000-600,000 consoles. Hell, it barely sells more than 100,000 consoles and that is stretching it.

Oh look! A prediction by a analyst!:lol: OK well then lets take this prediction as like its written in stone and run with it! :roll:

[QUOTE="Kane04"]IMO for a console that is often said to be more powerful, its easier to develop for, has "more" games, has 1 year head start on the market and the company responsible for it spends untold truck loads of crash piling money so it can climb it to the top (ads, exclusive dlcs...) a system like that being almost topped by the PS3 in sales and overtaken is in reach... thats a loss already for the 360 in my book.Silverbond

In my eduacated realm of opinions which is a fact in this reality, the PS3 (the successor to the highest-selling console of all-time) barely-BARELY- reaching 40 million units sold, being the hardest console to develop for, supposedly being the superior console despite having absolutely nothing to show for it out side of two (TWO!) games, copying the Wii, nearly always getting inferior multiplats, being unable to outsell the 360 even though the Wii was able to, and all sorts of random failures here and there... that's already many, many losses for the PS3.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

The damage is done. They have actually won already.All they needed to do is get established in the household.The Xbox is just as recognizable a brand name in video games worldwide as is Sony or Nintendo.

heretrix

As a brand it's become established and strong in the US and UK.

Nintendo's 30+ year history in the industry and the dominance of the PS1 and still-at-retail PS2 over the course of over a decade cemented both of those brands, at least for now, as synonymous with gaming worldwide. Although much damage was done to the latter this gen, and the former over the previous two gens.

But you don't get that level of brand recognition by coming a distant second place twice.

Even in Japan where it is pretty much laughed at, people know it's there.

Yet another thread about sales figures.....sigh

The funny thing is this is from the very same article:

Divnich went on to note that Microsoft may retain its lead in North America, at least, indefinitely.

"North America is a tougher challenge, and as we have seen lately, Microsoft's lead is widening," he continued. "I don't know if the PS3 will ever overtake the Xbox 360 in North America. Maybe 2014? 2016? We do know the PS3 has incredible long-term value as a Blu-ray player, much like the PlayStation 2 did as a DVD player. But with strong competition coming from the digital front, one has to wonder if the PS3 will receive long retail legs like its predecessor did."article

So, the PS3 may catch the 360 in worldwide sales, but will probably never overtake the 360 in North America (if anything the 360's lead is "widening").

Woohoo....I guess....

As a 360 owner, what do I win if the 360 stays ahead in sales figures?

"Nothing", you say?

Well then, what do I lose if the PS3 overtakes the 360?

"Nothing", again?

Hmmm....it's almost like sales figures are kinda meaningless....but with all the threads in System Wars discussing sales figures that can't be, can it?

IMO for a console that is often said to be more powerful, its easier to develop for, has "more" games, has 1 year head start on the market and the company responsible for it spends untold truck loads of crash piling money so it can climb it to the top (ads, exclusive dlcs...) a system like that being almost topped by the PS3 in sales and overtaken is in reach... thats a loss already for the 360 in my book.Kane04

In my eduacated realm of opinions which is a fact in this reality, the PS3 (the successor to the highest-selling console of all-time) barely-BARELY- reaching 40 million units sold, being the hardest console to develop for, supposedly being the superior console despite having absolutely nothing to show for it out side of two (TWO!) games, copying the Wii, nearly always getting inferior multiplats, being unable to outsell the 360 even though the Wii was able to, and all sorts of random failures here and there... that's already many, many losses for the PS3.

LMAO at all the fanboys and analyst that said the ps3 was a fail..just a blurray player with no games...Now who gets the last laughMunasha

Certainly not Sony considering what they went through to get to almost passing the 360.

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]

so by the time this gen is over the ps3 will have finally caught up? wow.

lazerface216

yeah but who's to stop microsoft or any other company from coming out with the next gen system? lol this gen doesn't end when sony wants it to.

[QUOTE="Munasha"]LMAO at all the fanboys and analyst that said the ps3 was a fail..just a blurray player with no games...Now who gets the last laughSilverbond

Certainly not Sony considering what they went through to get to almost passing the 360.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="Munasha"]LMAO at all the fanboys and analyst that said the ps3 was a fail..just a blurray player with no games...Now who gets the last laughMunasha

Certainly not Sony considering what they went through to get to almost passing the 360.

I suppose it did.

LMAO at all the fanboys and analyst that said the ps3 was a fail..just a blurray player with no games...Now who gets the last laughMunasha

Possibly. PS3 has a stronger 2011 line-up but if MS does a price drop it'll widened the gap even more. themyth01

PS3 fanboys have been saying this for ages! :lol:

Since Kinect is going to get all the Wii owners to buy a 360 I'll say that is a pipe-dream for Sony now. Enjoy being in Third place in North America PS3 fanboys. :D

[QUOTE="themyth01"] Possibly. PS3 has a stronger 2011 line-up but if MS does a price drop it'll widened the gap even more. Chutebox

Give it some time. The slim hasn't even been out for six months and Kincet only came outa few days ago.

LMAO at all the fanboys and analyst that said the ps3 was a fail..just a blurray player with no games...Now who gets the last laughMunasha

[QUOTE="Munasha"]LMAO at all the fanboys and analyst that said the ps3 was a fail..just a blurray player with no games...Now who gets the last laughheretrix

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="pimpog"] This gen won't be over by 2012 unless 2011 e3 ms and sony pump the 720 and ps4

pimpog

i don't see this gen gen going past 2013, but who knows you might be right...

why does the Wii need an upgrade?

Oh look! A prediction by a analyst!:lol: OK well then lets take this prediction as like its written in stone and run with it! :roll:

vaderhater

when the script is flipped. isnt that what you do precisely?:|

[QUOTE="Munasha"]LMAO at all the fanboys and analyst that said the ps3 was a fail..just a blurray player with no games...Now who gets the last laughheretrix

what strategy would that be? I fail to see what strategy microsoft has done to be in the position its in. I chuck that up to the 600 USD at launch. That was Microsoft's launch pad, so to speak. When you consider that the ps3 still cost almost twice as much as the 360 cost in EU you will and the 360 sitill takes beating over there you will see that the PS brand is still very strong. Pricing was what killed the ps3. Not anything Microsoft did.

[QUOTE="pimpog"]

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

i don't see this gen gen going past 2013, but who knows you might be right...

AdmiralBison

why does the Wii need an upgrade?

he probably means a new console. ynknow, because of teh graphics.

Possibly. PS3 has a stronger 2011 line-up but if MS does a price drop it'll widened the gap even more. themyth01

Definitely an option. I don't think MS will be pulling out a price drop until they see what Kinect does for their momentum. If it doesn't change things much/enough, you gotta figure MS is more prepared for a price war than Sony. We definitely haven't seen all the factors that'll go into the future of these two platforms, just like many obviously didn't see the change in momentum of the last year and a half. Both sides still have cards to play :P

[QUOTE="Munasha"]LMAO at all the fanboys and analyst that said the ps3 was a fail..just a blurray player with no games...Now who gets the last laughheretrix

Considering the doom and gloom analysts and industry heads had about the platform 2 years ago, I think Sony would be very pleased with the PS3 overtaking the 360 with a year less on the market. But I agree with you that MS went into this gen with a strong plan that accomplished their goals: Profitability and a better Marketshare than their first foray. Even If PS3 pulls ahead, those accomplishments won't go away.

It'll outsell it once GT5 comes out in its first few months.Bazooka_4ME

Not to be rude, but the very same was said when it came to the imminent release of MGS4, GOW3, KZ2, Uncharted 1, hell even Motorstorm back in the day.

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]

Well, now the big dawgs are talkin about the PS3 outselling the 360 with 360 still havin a 1 year head start.. i noticed someone on my facebook said yesterday PS3 finally outsold the 360, but im pretty sure that's not real, think its like 44M to 42M at this point. anyway, good read, here

ohthemanatee

how many times has that date been post poned now?

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Munasha"]LMAO at all the fanboys and analyst that said the ps3 was a fail..just a blurray player with no games...Now who gets the last laughsantoron

Considering the doom and gloom analysts and industry heads had about the platform 2 years ago, I think Sony would be very pleased with the PS3 overtaking the 360 with a year less on the market. But I agree with you that MS went into this gen with a strong plan that accomplished their goals: Profitability and a better Marketshare than their first foray. Even If PS3 pulls ahead, those accomplishments won't go away.

The implementation of the new XBL and achievements with the new console turned out to be a damn good idea .You can say what you want about MS (and many will) but for good or bad, they kind of laid the foundation for this gen with the focus on multiplayer gaming and the implementation of achievements.

and ugh. really horrible microtransactions.

I may happen but i doubt. Especially with the success Kinect is having latelly.

Analysts said it would outsell the 360 in 2007, then agian in 2008, then agan in 2009.... I'm still waiting...

Analysts said it would outsell the 360 in 2007, then agian in 2008, then agan in 2009.... I'm still waiting...

WilliamRLBaker

in 2007 or even 2008? are you making that up? link?

the ps3 was first released in some regions in November , 2006, and in Australia and some pal regions in march 2007.

Analysts said it would outsell the 360 in 2007, then agian in 2008, then agan in 2009.... I'm still waiting...

WilliamRLBaker

Hey look it's him again saw your chance to bash the ps3 like you always do?

also in 2012 ps4 and xbox 720 will probably be announced or out already

the ps3 was first released in some regions in November , 2006, and in Australia and some pal regions in march 2007.

crimsonsabre

That's not an argument. The 360 was first released in some regions in 2009. Does that mean it wins?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]

Well, now the big dawgs are talkin about the PS3 outselling the 360 with 360 still havin a 1 year head start.. i noticed someone on my facebook said yesterday PS3 finally outsold the 360, but im pretty sure that's not real, think its like 44M to 42M at this point. anyway, good read, here

Kane04

how many times has that date been post poned now?

r u serious xbox 360 is already a success compared to xbox 1. ps3 is a failer compared to psx and ps2

[QUOTE="Kane04"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

how many times has that date been post poned now?

pc-ps360

r u serious xbox 360 is already a success compared to xbox 1. ps3 is a failer compared to psx and ps2

[QUOTE="Kane04"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

how many times has that date been post poned now?

pc-ps360

r u serious xbox 360 is already a success compared to xbox 1. ps3 is a failer compared to psx and ps2

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]

Well, now the big dawgs are talkin about the PS3 outselling the 360 with 360 still havin a 1 year head start.. i noticed someone on my facebook said yesterday PS3 finally outsold the 360, but im pretty sure that's not real, think its like 44M to 42M at this point. anyway, good read, here

how many times has that date been post poned now?

based on that rational, the ps3 is already a success compared to the xbox lolRenzokucant

Lol indeed, how are you tying PS3 sales to Xbox sales? This is how it works:

Xbox 360 is a success compared to its predecessor(Xbox).
Nintendo Wii is a huge success compared to its predecessor(GameCube).
PS3 is a failure compare to its predecessor(PlayStation 2).

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Analysts said it would outsell the 360 in 2007, then agian in 2008, then agan in 2009.... I'm still waiting...

crimsonsabre

in 2007 or even 2008? are you making that up? link?

the ps3 was first released in some regions in November , 2006, and in Australia and some pal regions in march 2007.

In 2007 sega said the ps3 would outsell the 360 eventually. In 2008 analysts said the ps3 would outsell the 360 by 2:1 by 2012.
This is what I meant, In 2007 analyst or sega pedicted it, in 2008 they predicted, Maybe I should have wrote analysts IN 2007, Analysts IN 2008. Hell Popular Science the magazine predicted the ps3 would outsell the Wii and 360 by 2010 back in 2007.

My point was is I'm still waiting for this big push from the ps3 thats going to put it ontop of not only the 360 but the Wii...something analysts have been predicitng since 2007, and Cows have been prediciting since 2005.