PS3 won't stand up against the Wii come this Fall

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#901 mystervj
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[QUOTE="mystervj"]How so, even Sony places Move games at a lower price point while offering remarkably similar games as the Wii with superior gfx.IronBass
Move's price has nothing to do with the discussion. Some of those 3th party Wii games are simply superb games, saying they don't meet the expectations of PS3 games is simply false.

Well believe what you will, Wii's multiplats is universally inferior than it's HD counter parts, there's nothing to bridge between the games offered on PS3 and games offered on Wii. Wii vs PS3 is pretty far fetched compare to the usually 360 vs PS3 rivalry.

If this thread is any indicative of my point, many dismisses the Wii titles listed rather than putting forward PS3 exclusives as arguments. GFX, rehash, nostalgia, ect wouldn't be used (as often) in traditional PS3 vs 360 arguments.

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#902 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="mystervj"]How so, even Sony places Move games at a lower price point while offering remarkably similar games as the Wii with superior gfx.mystervj

Move's price has nothing to do with the discussion. Some of those 3th party Wii games are simply superb games, saying they don't meet the expectations of PS3 games is simply false.

Well believe what you will, Wii's multiplats is universally inferior than it's HD counter parts, there's nothing to bridge between the games offered on PS3 and games offered on Wii. Wii vs PS3 is pretty far fetched compare to the usually 360 vs PS3 rivalry.

If this thread is any indicative of my point, many dismisses the Wii titles listed rather than putting forward PS3 exclusives as arguments. GFX, rehash, nostalgia, ect wouldn't be used (as often) in traditional PS3 vs 360 arguments.

There have been Wii multiplats to outscore the HD counter parts. Pro Evo, Ghost Buster, Tiger Woods etc.

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Well believe what you will, Wii's multiplats is universally inferior than it's HD counter parts, there's nothing to bridge between the games offered on PS3 and games offered on Wii. Wii vs PS3 is pretty far fetched compare to the usually 360 vs PS3 rivalry.mystervj

Weren't talking about Wii third party games (exclusives), not about Wii multiplats?

If this thread is any indicative of my point, many dismisses the Wii titles listed rather than putting forward PS3 exclusives as arguments. GFX, rehash, nostalgia, ect wouldn't be used (as often) in traditional PS3 vs 360 arguments.mystervj

I would advice against using a SW thread for indicative of anything, for obvious reasons.

Secondly, no one is using nostalgia as an argument, just pedigree (hyping a new game of a famous and beloved franchise does not classify as nostalgia), and about the grafics and rehashes part, practically every 360 vs PS3 argument is based on them.

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#904 mystervj
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[QUOTE="mystervj"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] Move's price has nothing to do with the discussion. Some of those 3th party Wii games are simply superb games, saying they don't meet the expectations of PS3 games is simply false.ActicEdge

Well believe what you will, Wii's multiplats is universally inferior than it's HD counter parts, there's nothing to bridge between the games offered on PS3 and games offered on Wii. Wii vs PS3 is pretty far fetched compare to the usually 360 vs PS3 rivalry.

If this thread is any indicative of my point, many dismisses the Wii titles listed rather than putting forward PS3 exclusives as arguments. GFX, rehash, nostalgia, ect wouldn't be used (as often) in traditional PS3 vs 360 arguments.

There have been Wii multiplats to outscore the HD counter parts. Pro Evo, Ghost Buster, Tiger Woods etc.

Hmm, Tiger woods is no surprise, but I was always under the impression the Wii version of ghostbusters was worse than PS3/360. Not like I've played any of those games.
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[QUOTE="mystervj"]If this thread is any indicative of my point, many dismisses the Wii titles listed rather than putting forward PS3 exclusives as arguments. GFX, rehash, nostalgia, ect wouldn't be used (as often) in traditional PS3 vs 360 arguments.IronBass

I would advice against using a SW thread for indicative of anything, for obvious reasons.

Secondly, no one is using nostalgia as an argument, just pedigree (hyping a new game of a famous and beloved franchise does not classify as nostalgia), and about the grafics and rehashes part, practically every 360 vs PS3 argument is based on them.

I doubt anyone tried to dismiss multiple games simultaneously because of gfx for 360 vs PS3. Well I'm pretty quick to dismiss third party Wii titles myself, and some first party ones too. If sales are indicative of anything I know I'm not the only one.

It all comes down to opinions, I doubt any cows are particular intrigued by the Wii titles on this thread.

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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="mystervj"]How so, even Sony places Move games at a lower price point while offering remarkably similar games as the Wii with superior gfx.mystervj

Move's price has nothing to do with the discussion. Some of those 3th party Wii games are simply superb games, saying they don't meet the expectations of PS3 games is simply false.

Well believe what you will, Wii's multiplats is universally inferior than it's HD counter parts, there's nothing to bridge between the games offered on PS3 and games offered on Wii. Wii vs PS3 is pretty far fetched compare to the usually 360 vs PS3 rivalry.

If this thread is any indicative of my point, many dismisses the Wii titles listed rather than putting forward PS3 exclusives as arguments. GFX, rehash, nostalgia, ect wouldn't be used (as often) in traditional PS3 vs 360 arguments.

wait why cant they be compared?the wii is kicking major behind this year i dont see what makes the ps3 games any different then the wii gaes besides pleasing visuals

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#907 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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I doubt anyone tried to dismiss multiple games simultaneously because of gfx for 360 vs PS3.mystervj

You haven't seen as many 360 vs PS3 threads as I have, then:P

Well I'm pretty quick to dismiss third party Wii titles myself, and some first party ones too. If sales are indicative of anything I know I'm not the only one.mystervj

Well, I've actually played some of those games you so quickly dismiss, so I can safely say which expectations they meet or not.

It all comes down to opinions, I doubt any cows are particular intrigued by the Wii titles on this thread.mystervj

This is a forum about videogames, I doubt most people are particlarly intrigued by anything. :P

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#908 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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I played those games 10 years ago. Sure they were a bit diff and in SD but there basically the same.

Thats my opionion

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They're not even close to being the same...
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Eh how convenient to focus on fall. The PS3 has already had major games released this year and a whole heap of more top of the class games coming out next year. But yeah, I guess it's better to have no spacing between your games and have them thrown at you all at once._Cadbury_

Not sure why that would be "convenient." The PS3 had a great start off for the year, definitely. I cannot and will not dispute that. But the Wii still has outperformed the PS3 in regards to exclusives up to this point. Let's break it down:

PS3:

  1. 9.0 God of War 3
  2. 8.5 Heavy Rain
  3. 8.0 MAG
  4. 8.0 Yakuza 3
  5. 8.0 MLB 2010 The Show
  6. 8.0 Modnation Racers
  7. 7.5 3D Dot Game Heroes
  8. 7.0 Trinity Universe

Wii:

  1. 10 Super Mario Galaxy 2
  2. 8.5 No More Heroes 2
  3. 8.5 Sin and Punishment
  4. 8.5 Tatsunoko vs. Capcom
  5. 8.0 Endless Ocean 2
  6. 8.0 Trauma Team
  7. 8.0 Monster Hunter Tri
  8. 7.5 Red Steel 2
  9. 7.5 Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces
  10. 7.0 Rooms: The Main Building
  11. 7.0 Fragile Dreams
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#910 antifanboyftw
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who cares what games the wii is getting. pretty much every ps3 owner i can think of is just going to be playing black ops or gt5 so it doesn't really matter. just like all 360 owners will be playing black ops or halo reach.
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who cares what games the wii is getting. pretty much every ps3 owner i can think of is just going to be playing black ops or gt5 so it doesn't really matter. just like all 360 owners will be playing black ops or halo reach.antifanboyftw
It's just some material for SystemWars to debate about, it shows nothing about the reality of the situation outside of SystemWars. I have no doubt in my mind that many folks would choose Black Ops, Reach, and GT5 over these games. Different tastes we all have, really.
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[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Eh how convenient to focus on fall. The PS3 has already had major games released this year and a whole heap of more top of the class games coming out next year. But yeah, I guess it's better to have no spacing between your games and have them thrown at you all at once.Stevo_the_gamer

Not sure why that would be "convenient." The PS3 had a great start off for the year, definitely. I cannot and will not dispute that. But the Wii still has outperformed the PS3 in regards to exclusives up to this point. Let's break it down:

PS3:

  1. 9.0 God of War 3
  2. 8.5 Heavy Rain
  3. 8.0 MAG
  4. 8.0 Yakuza 3
  5. 8.0 MLB 2010 The Show
  6. 8.0 Modnation Racers
  7. 7.5 3D Dot Game Heroes
  8. 7.0 Trinity Universe

Wii:

  1. 10 Super Mario Galaxy 2
  2. 8.5 No More Heroes 2
  3. 8.5 Sin and Punishment
  4. 8.5 Tatsunoko vs. Capcom
  5. 8.0 Endless Ocean 2
  6. 8.0 Trauma Team
  7. 8.0 Monster Hunter Tri
  8. 7.5 Red Steel 2
  9. 7.5 Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces
  10. 7.0 Rooms: The Main Building
  11. 7.0 Fragile Dreams

Yep, Wii is winning, and they can't accept it, I wonder why...

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If they only had this lineup at launch....then Nintendo had already a new console now...a HD Zelda and Metroid that made Uncharted2 and the Halo's look like cake...imagine a Zelda with Uncharted2 graphics or Crysis graphics...(Aaagh, a man must dream sometimes)

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I chose the ps1 over the n64 for a reason back in the day, as I like more adult focused in depth story driven games. I don't want to play with a pink ball of yarn, o with a big ape that throws barrels, sorry but I didn't like the n64 lineup and loved the ps1 lineup... The same holds true today the ps3 lineup is focused directly at someone like me, where the wii is not. They are two differnt demographics, always have been..Midnightshade29

:lol:

Spoken like a true youngster! Dont worry though. One day you'll grow up and learn to look past those "adult focused in depth story driven blah blah" (cant believe you actually typed that drivel) and simply appreciate good games rather than pseudo "mature" games with their mediocre plots and crap writing.

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#915 mystervj
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[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"]Eh how convenient to focus on fall. The PS3 has already had major games released this year and a whole heap of more top of the class games coming out next year. But yeah, I guess it's better to have no spacing between your games and have them thrown at you all at once.Stevo_the_gamer

Not sure why that would be "convenient." The PS3 had a great start off for the year, definitely. I cannot and will not dispute that. But the Wii still has outperformed the PS3 in regards to exclusives up to this point. Let's break it down:

PS3:

  1. 9.0 God of War 3
  2. 8.5 Heavy Rain
  3. 8.0 MAG
  4. 8.0 Yakuza 3
  5. 8.0 MLB 2010 The Show
  6. 8.0 Modnation Racers
  7. 7.5 3D Dot Game Heroes
  8. 7.0 Trinity Universe

Wii:

  1. 10 Super Mario Galaxy 2
  2. 8.5 No More Heroes 2
  3. 8.5 Sin and Punishment
  4. 8.5 Tatsunoko vs. Capcom
  5. 8.0 Endless Ocean 2
  6. 8.0 Trauma Team
  7. 8.0 Monster Hunter Tri
  8. 7.5 Red Steel 2
  9. 7.5 Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces
  10. 7.0 Rooms: The Main Building
  11. 7.0 Fragile Dreams

Why is AE games being used? It's a lot closer than you make it out to be.
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Yeah the Wii has some nice exclusives and some not so nice (cough Conduit) but as always, the lack of multiplats kills any hope of it "beating" the others. Imo.
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#917 Beck1110
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Wii owners may have a few games coming this fall whilst the PS3 doesn't.

I have a PS3 and a list of over 10 games I want to play when I get a chance, Does any Wii owner that plays 15Hrs + a week have a list of games they want to catch up on? I doubt it.

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Wii owners may have a few games coming this fall whilst the PS3 doesn't.

I have a PS3 and a list of over 10 games I want to play when I get a chance, Does any Wii owner that plays 15Hrs + a week have a list of games they want to catch up on? I doubt it.

Beck1110

My back log of PS3 and Wii games is about equal. Now that I think about it, there are probably more Wii games i need to get around to than PS3. Not by much though.

The Wii has a lot of great games that go under the radar. People here on SW just like to be hypocrites. They ***** and moan that the Wii doesnt get good 3rd party games, but then when the Wii gets some they choose to ignore them and only concentrate 1st party hype games. As a result, peoples idea of the Wii is Mario, Metroid, Zelda and shovelware.

And that my friend is probably why your perception of the Wiis library is so off base.

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#919 Beck1110
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[QUOTE="Beck1110"]

Wii owners may have a few games coming this fall whilst the PS3 doesn't.

I have a PS3 and a list of over 10 games I want to play when I get a chance, Does any Wii owner that plays 15Hrs + a week have a list of games they want to catch up on? I doubt it.

sandbox3d

My back log of PS3 and Wii games is about equal. Now that I think about it, there are probably more Wii games i need to get around to than PS3. Not by much though.

The Wii has a lot of great games that go under the radar. People here on SW just like to be hypocrites. They ***** and moan that the Wii doesnt get good 3rd party games, but then when the Wii gets some they choose to ignore them and only concentrate 1st party hype games. As a result, peoples idea of the Wii is Mario, Metroid, Zelda and shovelware.

And that my friend is probably why your perception of the Wiis library is so off base.

I owned a Wii, sold 3 months ago after I bought it at launch. In the last 2 years the amount of games I wanted to buy were below ten I figured it was time to give up on Nintendo. Since buying my PS3 I'm playing through 2-3 games a month and happy to be able to choose from a fine selection. Maybe I'm not looking through the same release schedules but where are all these games for the wii?
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Why is AE games being used? It's a lot closer than you make it out to be.mystervj
Because they're still good games... even then, if you took them out, the Wii still has done much better.
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[QUOTE="mystervj"]Why is AE games being used? It's a lot closer than you make it out to be.Stevo_the_gamer
Because they're still good games... even then, if you took them out, the Wii still has done much better.

Much better? I only see it being one exclusive ahead if you take out AEs.

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Gotta hand it to you Stevo,you sure made a damn long thread!:P
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="mystervj"]Why is AE games being used? It's a lot closer than you make it out to be.FIipMode

Because they're still good games... even then, if you took them out, the Wii still has done much better.

Much better? I only see it being one exclusive ahead if you take out AEs.

Yes, two additional more 8.5 exclusives and a AAAAE to boot means "much better" in my eyes.

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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Because they're still good games... even then, if you took them out, the Wii still has done much better. Stevo_the_gamer

Much better? I only see it being one exclusive ahead if you take out AEs.

Yes, two additional more 8.5 exclusives and a AAAAE to boot means "much better" in my eyes.

I thought there were more games than that actually. One on one I think that the Wii is ahead quality wise AE or not but the list seems smaller than I thought.

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#925 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Because they're still good games... even then, if you took them out, the Wii still has done much better. Stevo_the_gamer

Much better? I only see it being one exclusive ahead if you take out AEs.

Yes, two additional more 8.5 exclusives and a AAAAE to boot means "much better" in my eyes.

Oh you meant your eyes, alright then.

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#926 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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I thought there were more games than that actually. One on one I think that the Wii is ahead quality wise AE or not but the list seems smaller than I thought.

ActicEdge

I'm pretty sure those are it, I wouldn't be surprsied if Gamespot hasn't reviewed a few but I got them all in my spreadsheet in my signature there so. I think I gt them all. But anyways, I think Cave Story should also be included but that's a Wiiware game. AAA on Gamerankings after 15 reviews, and yet, Gamespot hasn't reviewed it. Pity.

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#927 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Oh you meant your eyes, alright then.

FIipMode

So an AAAAE isn't that substantial, and more AAEs doesn't mean much better to you?

Gotta hand it to you Stevo,you sure made a damn long thread!:PArach666

lol. You should get on the GUFU irc. :)

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#928 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

Oh you meant your eyes, alright then.

Stevo_the_gamer

So an AAAAE isn't that substantial, and more AAEs doesn't mean much better to you?

Gotta hand it to you Stevo,you sure made a damn long thread!:PArach666

lol. Get on the GUFU irc :)

The AAAAE is pretty significant and it only has one more AAE (it doesn't matter to me much that it has more games that are .5 higher, they're all AAEs in the end), I don't see that list as much better, it's still better though. I actually thought it was a bigger gap than that this year between the Wii and PS3.

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#929 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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The AAAAE is pretty significant and it only has one more AAE (it doesn't matter to me much that it has more games that are .5 higher, they're all AAEs in the end), I don't see that list as much better, it's still better though. I actually thought it was a bigger gap than that this year between the Wii and PS3.

FIipMode

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. :)

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#930 HelloMoto56
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. :)

Stevo_the_gamer

but someone has to be the loser.

it's System Wars.

...and i was enjoying the argument!

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#931 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. :)

HelloMoto56

but someone has to be the loser.

it's System Wars.

...and i was enjoying the argument!

Circular arguing doesn't go anywhere though. That argument has a strong subjective reign on it; and proving a point using objective means in that sense ain't going to happen -- I mean, it's actually kind of petty too argue about "better" and "much better." xD