PS4 4K resolution....here we go again

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Gue1"]

I just want a powerful enough console for 60 frames to be the standard but the focus on graphics from developers it's so huge that they rather drop it to 30 frames to be able to make prettier games. But if you ask me, 60 frames make the games look prettier too and it helps gameplay greatly.

GamerwillzPS

It will happen. Hell the PS3 is a super computer after all, Sony said they do not care about releasing PS4 before the others, they only care about having the system with the best games and the most powerful system.

The PS4 will be like a super super computer.

[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Dude 4K is not even a big deal,didn't you read sony had already a 4K blu-ray player.tormentos

Sony has been selling a true 4K Blu-ray player? Show me where so I can buy one.

Lol, you call that a 4K Blu-ray player? So by your definition, you also call those DVD upconverters as "Blu-ray players" since they can upconvert 480P to 1080P resolution? You are much better as a saleman then the rest of $ony's PRs since they are too scare to advertise the BDP-S790 as a 4K Blu-ray player. You are always 1 step above and beyond them. Congrats.:lol:

Since we are due to see 4K televisions and likely a new 4K blu-ray movie format, OF COURSE the PS4 will have that functionality. Sony is always going to be championing new movie formats like that, to cross market with their movie catalogue and also to move some 4K televisions.

Most likely the GPU won't handle full scale 3D gaming at 4K, but I don't think too many people expect that.

Ohh Sony being Sony.. Like PS2=Toy Story level of graphics and the PS3 Dual 1080p 120fps Monitors support. What next "the PS4 uses the same cpu of the

Curiosity rover"

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

Sony has been selling a true 4K Blu-ray player? Show me where so I can buy one.

TheXFiles88

Lol, you call that a 4K Blu-ray player? So by your definition, you also call those DVD upconverters as "Blu-ray players" since they can upconvert 480P to 1080P resolution? You are much better as a saleman then the rest of $ony's PRs since they are too scare to advertise the BDP-S790 as a 4K Blu-ray player. You are always 1 step above and beyond them. Congrats.:lol:

That is the first 4K upscaling player on the market though, so that's something. I have been keeping an eye out for the 1st televisions and players to finally hit the market, Ive noticed some AV receivers are also capable of doing 4K upscaling (even at the middle end, you don't need to buy a $3000 receiver). Native 4K media is also supposedly going to be blu-ray based, so it's somewhat possible that player could get an update and read the new 4K discs natively. Most likely not because the disc read speeds are probbly too slow and some other things, but depending on how the disc technology works (and the chips inside the player) it could potentially be a simple firmware update. I mean I'm sure it won't be because Sony probably wants to charge $500 for the first players, but technically it might be possible. Unlike a DVD that upscales 1080P because DVD uses an entirely different laser type than blu-ray.

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

I just want a powerful enough console for 60 frames to be the standard but the focus on graphics from developers it's so huge that they rather drop it to 30 frames to be able to make prettier games. But if you ask me, 60 frames make the games look prettier too and it helps gameplay greatly.

parkurtommo

It will happen. Hell the PS3 is a super computer after all, Sony said they do not care about releasing PS4 before the others, they only care about having the system with the best games and the most powerful system.

The PS4 will be like a super super computer.

ShadowMoses900

Come on ShadowMoses... just cut the crap. :P

My PC is much more powerful, does that mean it's a super super super super super super super super computer?

A single PS4 will be able to replace NASA.2Chalupas

2 of them will land on Mars.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It will happen. Hell the PS3 is a super computer after all, Sony said they do not care about releasing PS4 before the others, they only care about having the system with the best games and the most powerful system.

The PS4 will be like a super super computer.

GamerwillzPS

Come on ShadowMoses... just cut the crap. :P

Ohh Sony being Sony.. Like PS2=Toy Story level of graphics and the PS3 Dual 1080p 120fps Monitors support. What next "the PS4 uses the same cpu of the

Curiosity rover"

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It will happen. Hell the PS3 is a super computer after all, Sony said they do not care about releasing PS4 before the others, they only care about having the system with the best games and the most powerful system.

The PS4 will be like a super super computer.

GamerwillzPS

Come on ShadowMoses... just cut the crap. :P

My PC is much more powerful, does that mean it's a super super super super super super super super computer?

It is not crap, it is the truth. Just accept it.

PS3 even powers military jets, drones, and other super computers. No other system can do this.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

"A single PlayStation 3 performs like a cluster of 30 PCs at the price of only one"-Marc Stevens, Arjen K. Lenstra, and Benne de Weger (Tech Geniuses)

PlayStation 3 cluster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is also used to power high end medical tech. PS3 saves lives. No other system can do this.

Medical research

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It will happen. Hell the PS3 is a super computer after all, Sony said they do not care about releasing PS4 before the others, they only care about having the system with the best games and the most powerful system.

The PS4 will be like a super super computer.

ShadowMoses900

Come on ShadowMoses... just cut the crap. :P

My PC is much more powerful, does that mean it's a super super super super super super super super computer?

It is not crap, it is the truth. Just accept it.

PS3 even powers military jets, drones, and other super computers. No other system can do this.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

"A single PlayStation 3 performs like a cluster of 30 PCs at the price of only one"-Marc Stevens, Arjen K. Lenstra, and Benne de Weger (Tech Geniuses)

PlayStation 3 cluster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is also used to power high end medical tech. PS3 saves lives. No other system can do this.

Medical research

BGR is the source?

Come on guys...I thought we were better than this.

"the companys next-generationPlayStation 4will indeed support4K resolutionplayback as well"

What at all implies that they are talking about games.

Sony's consoles have always supported the next wave of video & audio options.(PS1 CD, PS2 DVD, PS3 Bluray/HD video)

4K resolution the next true resolution to hit. Why would their next gen console not support 4K video output for movies.

Ohh Sony being Sony.. Like PS2=Toy Story level of graphics and the PS3 Dual 1080p 120fps Monitors support. What next "the PS4 uses the same cpu of the

Curiosity rover"

ocidax

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It will happen. Hell the PS3 is a super computer after all, Sony said they do not care about releasing PS4 before the others, they only care about having the system with the best games and the most powerful system.

The PS4 will be like a super super computer.

ShadowMoses900

Come on ShadowMoses... just cut the crap. :P

My PC is much more powerful, does that mean it's a super super super super super super super super computer?

It is not crap, it is the truth. Just accept it.

PS3 even powers military jets, drones, and other super computers. No other system can do this.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

"A single PlayStation 3 performs like a cluster of 30 PCs at the price of only one"-Marc Stevens, Arjen K. Lenstra, and Benne de Weger (Tech Geniuses)

PlayStation 3 cluster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is also used to power high end medical tech. PS3 saves lives. No other system can do this.

Medical research

In 2010 They could have used GTX 480's which you would only need 370 of them.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It will happen. Hell the PS3 is a super computer after all, Sony said they do not care about releasing PS4 before the others, they only care about having the system with the best games and the most powerful system.

The PS4 will be like a super super computer.

ShadowMoses900

Come on ShadowMoses... just cut the crap. :P

My PC is much more powerful, does that mean it's a super super super super super super super super computer?

It is not crap, it is the truth. Just accept it.

PS3 even powers military jets, drones, and other super computers. No other system can do this.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

"A single PlayStation 3 performs like a cluster of 30 PCs at the price of only one"-Marc Stevens, Arjen K. Lenstra, and Benne de Weger (Tech Geniuses)

PlayStation 3 cluster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is also used to power high end medical tech. PS3 saves lives. No other system can do this.

Medical research

All I've seen of the PS3 was use in clusters. Without Linux support, they're a dead end. Do you have links to the one on bold?

Completely useless for PS4 games... I highly doubt the PS4 will be powerful enough to render actual games in native 4k... Hell even high end PCs have some trouble with it.

For movies... now that would be awesome.

parkurtommo

Just avoid SSAA settings.

I play Project Cars, Dirt Showdown, Mass Effect 3 and Sleeping Dogs @ 5760x1080p with Radeon HD 7950 @ 1Ghz (1.1V).

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

Completely useless for PS4 games... I highly doubt the PS4 will be powerful enough to render actual games in native 4k... Hell even high end PCs have some trouble with it.

For movies... now that would be awesome.

ronvalencia

Just avoid SSAA settings.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

Completely useless for PS4 games... I highly doubt the PS4 will be powerful enough to render actual games in native 4k... Hell even high end PCs have some trouble with it.

For movies... now that would be awesome.

mitu123

Just avoid SSAA settings.

[QUOTE="ocidax"]

Ohh Sony being Sony.. Like PS2=Toy Story level of graphics and the PS3 Dual 1080p 120fps Monitors support. What next "the PS4 uses the same cpu of the

Curiosity rover"

04dcarraher

4k media, yes. 4k games, no.

4k media, yes. 4k games, half ***ed.

dream431ca

fixed. Sony is a hardware AND entertainment company. They'll need the PS4 to push 4K televisions.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="ocidax"]

Ohh Sony being Sony.. Like PS2=Toy Story level of graphics and the PS3 Dual 1080p 120fps Monitors support. What next "the PS4 uses the same cpu of the

Curiosity rover"

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

I just want a powerful enough console for 60 frames to be the standard but the focus on graphics from developers it's so huge that they rather drop it to 30 frames to be able to make prettier games. But if you ask me, 60 frames make the games look prettier too and it helps gameplay greatly.

parkurtommo

4k media, yes. 4k games, no.

dream431ca

It depends if AMD can squeese 7950 type GPU into TSMC's 20nm process tech i.e. 251 mm^2

Current 7850/7870's die size (212 mm^2) which is already smaller than 1st gen NVIDIA RSX (240mm^2).

We have some hints that 7950 type GPU will be move towards midrange GPU segment e.g. AMD FirePro W8000's 256bit wired PCB with 7950 (900Mhz) GPU.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

4k media, yes. 4k games, no.

ronvalencia

It depends if AMD can squeese 7950 type GPU into TSMC's 20nm process tech i.e. 251 mm^2

Current 7850/7870's die size (212 mm^2) whcih is already smaller than 1st gen NVIDIA RSX (240mm^2).

360 FPS and real-time Super Sampling confirmed.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

4k media, yes. 4k games, no.

04dcarraher

It depends if AMD can squeese 7950 type GPU into TSMC's 20nm process tech i.e. 251 mm^2

Current 7850/7870's die size (212 mm^2) whcih is already smaller than 1st gen NVIDIA RSX (240mm^2).

Rendering current games at 4K resolution, it would need two 7950s @1Ghz or one 7950 @ 2Ghz (for VRAM, it might need XDR2 or yet another GDDR5 revision). My fastest overclock for my 7950 is clocked at 1.2Ghz with 1.2V (sounds like a jet turbine at this level, temps at ~90C).

4096 x 3072 = 12,582,912 pixels.

5760 x 1080 = 6,220,800 pixels.

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For PS4 with direct replacement parts from PS3 i.e. build PS4 with year 2012/2013 parts.

PS3's CELL = replaced by AMD Liverpool APU with AMD Radeon HD 7850 IGP i.e. AMD GCN acts like SPEs, X86s acts like PPE and ARMs acts like SPE DRM processor.

PS3's RSX = replaced by AMD 7950 GPU (2013) or AMD 7870 GPU (2012).

You don't have the initial blu-ray R&D cost.

The key technology would be 20nm process technology.

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MS's Xbox 720 (Yukon) looks like using AMD Liverpool type APU(application) with AMD Jaguar APU (system).

Bill of materials wise, Xbox 360 is cheaper than PS3.

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Gaming PCs not restricted by console budgets e.g. 20 nm TSMC fab'ed flagship GPUs e.g. Radeon HD 9970/10970 or Geforce GTX 880/980.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

It depends if AMD can squeese 7950 type GPU into TSMC's 20nm process tech i.e. 251 mm^2

Current 7850/7870's die size (212 mm^2) whcih is already smaller than 1st gen NVIDIA RSX (240mm^2).

ronvalencia

Rendering current games at 4K resolution, it would need two 7950s @1Ghz or one 7950 @ 2Ghz (for VRAM, it might need XDR2 or yet another GDDR5 revision). My fastest overclock for my 7950 is clocked at 1.2Ghz with 1.2V (sounds like a jet turbine at this level, temps at ~90C).

4096 x 3072 = 12,582,912 pixels.

5760 x 1080 = 6,220,800 pixels.

----

For PS4 with direct replacement parts from PS3

PS3's CELL = replaced by AMD Liverpool APU with AMD Radeon HD 7850 IGP i.e. AMD GCN acts like SPEs, X86s acts like PPE and ARMs acts like SPE DRM processor.

PS3's RSX = replaced by AMD 7950 GPU.

You don't have the initial blu-ray R&D cost.

The key technology would be 20nm process technology.

---

MS's Xbox 720 (Yukon) looks like using AMD Liverpool type APU(application) with AMD Jaguar APU (system).

Bill of materials wise, Xbox 360 is cheaper than PS3.

---

Gaming PCs not restricted by console budgets e.g. 20 nm TSMC fab'ed flagship GPUs e.g. Radeon HD 9970/10970 or Geforce GTX 880/980.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Even if they could fit a 7950 type gpu into the PS4 it still wouldn't do 4K resolution games without sacrificing alot .04dcarraher

Rendering current games at 4K resolution, it would need two 7950s @1Ghz or one 7950 @ 2Ghz (for VRAM, it might need XDR2 or yet another GDDR5 revision). My fastest overclock for my 7950 is clocked at 1.2Ghz with 1.2V (sounds like a jet turbine at this level, temps at ~90C).

4096 x 3072 = 12,582,912 pixels.

5760 x 1080 = 6,220,800 pixels.

----

For PS4 with direct replacement parts from PS3

PS3's CELL = replaced by AMD Liverpool APU with AMD Radeon HD 7850 IGP i.e. AMD GCN acts like SPEs, X86s acts like PPE and ARMs acts like SPE DRM processor.

PS3's RSX = replaced by AMD 7950 GPU.

You don't have the initial blu-ray R&D cost.

The key technology would be 20nm process technology.

---

MS's Xbox 720 (Yukon) looks like using AMD Liverpool type APU(application) with AMD Jaguar APU (system).

Bill of materials wise, Xbox 360 is cheaper than PS3.

---

Gaming PCs not restricted by console budgets e.g. 20 nm TSMC fab'ed flagship GPUs e.g. Radeon HD 9970/10970 or Geforce GTX 880/980.

1st generation PS3 CELL's die size is 235 mm^2.

1st generation PS3 RSX's die size is 240 mm^2.

AMD Trinity's die size is 246 mm^2 (32 nm process tech). Half of it allocated towards quad CPU Piledriver cores i.e. about 123 mm^2.

With 20nm process tech and the above PS3 die size budget, it can support quad core Piledriver, one Radeon HD 7870 GPU and one 7950 GPU..

Good old sony at it again. 4k, dual screen, 6D with 240fps

One thing is for sure...it will be more powerful than the Xbox 720. This time around Sony just needs to make it easier for developers to program so PS4 users don't get stuck with inferior ports that were developed for another console.

this is sonys problem always forcing standards.....

its like the only things they know how to do is push hardware

One thing is for sure...it will be more powerful than the Xbox 720. This time around Sony just needs to make it easier for developers to program so PS4 users don't get stuck with inferior ports that were developed for another console.

StrongBlackVine

It's only probably going to be slightly stronger then the 720 because sony is bleeding money.

4K for movies seems reasonable. In fact this will justify blu-ray as a format more. Blu-ray disks should have enough space to store a movie at 4K resolution, but it would be essentially impossible to stream that resolution from netflix or other services.

Are TVs even made in 4k?

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It will happen. Hell the PS3 is a super computer after all, Sony said they do not care about releasing PS4 before the others, they only care about having the system with the best games and the most powerful system.

The PS4 will be like a super super computer.

ShadowMoses900

Come on ShadowMoses... just cut the crap. :P

My PC is much more powerful, does that mean it's a super super super super super super super super computer?

It is not crap, it is the truth. Just accept it.

PS3 even powers military jets, drones, and other super computers. No other system can do this.

U.S. Air Force Finishes PS3 Supercomputer of Epic Proportions

"A single PlayStation 3 performs like a cluster of 30 PCs at the price of only one"-Marc Stevens, Arjen K. Lenstra, and Benne de Weger (Tech Geniuses)

PlayStation 3 cluster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is also used to power high end medical tech. PS3 saves lives. No other system can do this.

Medical research

Then how come there's a little difference between the PS3 and X360? PS3 is like 5% more powerful. If it's a 'supercomputer', it would be thousands of times more powerful! Where's 1080p at 60fps with beautiful graphics on PS3? Nope, it doesn't exist because it's simply not powerful enough.

These are supercomputers:-

Face the fact, the PS3 is not a supercomputer.