PS4 neo slideshow leaked

Damn, NEO is DOA.

Why even bother? This "upgrade" sounds so pointless. Will stick with my current PS4.

The gap between the Fury X and the R290 is 3.7TF that is more than 2 PS4 and almost a fu**ing Neo which is 4.2 and yet the gap in frames in games is 12FPS in Rise of the Tomb Raider,even smaller in other games.

hope that help putting things into perspective,this big GPU have big gaps in flops but small delta in frames which is what matter,hell i have seeing the PS4 pull 30FPS on the xbox one,and the gap is 500+Gflops yet 3.7TF difference between the Fury X and the R290 only produce 12 FPS here

So you can't cry fault.... 19FPS difference between the R290 and the Fury X,on a DX12 game Just 13FPS vs the R290X..

The Fury X is 8600 Gflops,the R290X is 5600 Gflops, the R290 is 4900 Gflops.

FuryX vs R290X gap = 3000 Gflops.

FuryX vs R290 gap = 3700 Gflops

2 PS4 = 3600 Gflops

Gap between the XBO and PS4 500+ gflops.

The problem here is simple you think because this ^^ happen with a 500Gflops gaps,some how a 1.8 TF gap should produce a gap 3 or 4 times as big,and that is the thinking of someone who doesn't know shit about PC,GPU and how flops have diminishing returns the higher you go.

So while you get the 7870 to double the 7770 frame wise,it harder to get the 7970 to double the 7850 when it double the 7850 in CU just like the 7870 double the 7770 in CU.

Look how the 7770 does 17FPS which double = 34FPS, the 7870 with double the CU and same speed 1ghz does 39FPS,effectively more than doubling the 7770.

But look at the 7850 it does 32 which double = 64FPS,the 7970 ghz edition does 56FPS 8 FPS less than double,when it runs at 1ghz vs the 7850 860mhz,the 7970 stock is even worse as it has 900+mhz and does 49FPS which is 15FPS lower than amount require to double the 7850.

The higher you go the less is the return and this is what happen with this GPU,if you are waiting for Scorpio to eat neo you will be in for a shock,i already told you and SHOWED you what a 3700 Gflops gap can produce between those GPU,gaps even smaller than the one we have seeing on PS4 vs XBO,imaging 1.8TF how much smaller it would be.

Hold that helps..

You simple don't know what the word exclusive means.

Physic run better on GPU and we know by compute they can run very well on normal PS4 even better on neo,remember the i3 would be coded without PC limitations,if you don't implement DX12 or Vulkan on PC you have CPU problems with many CPU,why do you think those API exist for.?

The PS4 struggle to run 60 and will run VR fine.

The xbox one is a joke and you can't stop kissing MS ass for it even when it has no games..lol

Why you mad NathanDrakeSwag?

@tormentos said:

@dynamitecop said:

The difference between Neo and Scorpio is a PlayStation 4 inserted on top of Neo's specs in terms of the capabilities of Scorpio, hope that helps putting things into proper perspective for you.

The gap between the Fury X and the R290 is 3.7TF that is more than 2 PS4 and almost a fu**ing Neo which is 4.2 and yet the gap in frames in games is 12FPS in Rise of the Tomb Raider,even smaller in other games.

hope that help putting things into perspective,this big GPU have big gaps in flops but small delta in frames which is what matter,hell i have seeing the PS4 pull 30FPS on the xbox one,and the gap is 500+Gflops yet 3.7TF difference between the Fury X and the R290 only produce 12 FPS here

So you can't cry fault.... 19FPS difference between the R290 and the Fury X,on a DX12 game Just 13FPS vs the R290X..

The Fury X is 8600 Gflops,the R290X is 5600 Gflops, the R290 is 4900 Gflops.

FuryX vs R290X gap = 3000 Gflops.

FuryX vs R290 gap = 3700 Gflops

2 PS4 = 3600 Gflops

Gap between the XBO and PS4 500+ gflops.

The problem here is simple you think because this ^^ happen with a 500Gflops gaps,some how a 1.8 TF gap should produce a gap 3 or 4 times as big,and that is the thinking of someone who doesn't know shit about PC,GPU and how flops have diminishing returns the higher you go.

So while you get the 7870 to double the 7770 frame wise,it harder to get the 7970 to double the 7850 when it double the 7850 in CU just like the 7870 double the 7770 in CU.

Look how the 7770 does 17FPS which double = 34FPS, the 7870 with double the CU and same speed 1ghz does 39FPS,effectively more than doubling the 7770.

But look at the 7850 it does 32 which double = 64FPS,the 7970 ghz edition does 56FPS 8 FPS less than double,when it runs at 1ghz vs the 7850 860mhz,the 7970 stock is even worse as it has 900+mhz and does 49FPS which is 15FPS lower than amount require to double the 7850.

The higher you go the less is the return and this is what happen with this GPU,if you are waiting for Scorpio to eat neo you will be in for a shock,i already told you and SHOWED you what a 3700 Gflops gap can produce between those GPU,gaps even smaller than the one we have seeing on PS4 vs XBO,imaging 1.8TF how much smaller it would be.

Hold that helps..

@panda30 said:

xbox show more Retail Exclusives at E3 2016 coming this years then ps4 last 3 years so I dont see that hapening

You simple don't know what the word exclusive means.

@wizard said:

@ronvalencia: Below and i3 and paired with a GTX 390(ish) GPU. Awful.

You're relying on developer implementation of these features. That and keenly overlooking DOOMs GPU bound nature, ignoring games with high AI or multiplayer counts with physics as well.

This system is bottlenecked and weak.

Edit: I said PSVR didn't I? Either way, that CPU is going to struggle to achieve the 90 or so FPS. You're right.

Physic run better on GPU and we know by compute they can run very well on normal PS4 even better on neo,remember the i3 would be coded without PC limitations,if you don't implement DX12 or Vulkan on PC you have CPU problems with many CPU,why do you think those API exist for.?

The PS4 struggle to run 60 and will run VR fine.

@spicymeatball27 said:

PS4 Neo is weak. End of story. Sony put that crap back in there station wagon B4 E3 cuz of how sad it looks compared to the mighty Scorpio lol

The xbox one is a joke and you can't stop kissing MS ass for it even when it has no games..lol

@dynamitecop: not really lol

Looks like the only console hardware worth buying within the next 3 years is probably the NX if it turns out to be any good. Will skip NEO and buy the PS5 as it will decimate Scorpio. You can skip anything xbox hardware related full stop now, lots of money saved.

@tormentos: The frame rate gap between R9-290X and Fury X is mostly dictated by effective memory bandwidth gap.

For random textures, effective memory bandwidth between Fury X and R9-290X is 1.266X.

For uniform textures, effective memory bandwidth between Fury X and R9-290X is 1.47X. This factor is variable and dependent on compression engine's quality.

FLOPS difference between R9-290X and Fury X is 1.48X

RX-480 has improved memory compression which enables it rival R9-290X/R9-390/R9-390X and GTX 980.

For Xbox One, high bandwidth memory with tiny storage yields higher inconsistent cases i.e. it needs special treatment. High bandwidth memory with large storage would deliver high performance consistency.

Scorpio vs NEO is like comparing RX-480X (with 384 bit memory bus and 1310 Mhz GPU overclock) against slower RX-470 LE.

Based on effective memory bandwidth, one can predict Xbox Scorpio's performance relative to PS4 NEO and anything extra is a bonus.

Based on effective memory bandwidth and FLOPS, RX-480 falls into R9-290XR9-390/R9-390X range. RX-480's memory compression seems to be better than Fury X.

RX-480's memory compression booster factor: 1.36X

RX-480's memory bandwidth efficiency: 75.78 percent

PS4 NEO's 218 GB/s memory bandwidth

Effective memory bandwidth estimate: 224 GB/s

XBox Scorpio's 320 GB/s memory bandwidth

Effective memory bandwidth estimate: 329 GB/s

The effective memory bandwidth gap between the two consoles is 1.46X

The FLOPS gap between the two consoles is 1.42X

Microsoft made sure Scorpio's higher FLOPS power is backed by higher effective memory bandwidth.

Might as well skip the PS5 because the Xbox following scorpio will decimate the PS5. Go for the PS6. In fact, I think Sony said there were not even sure there would be a PS5. Probably going straight to 7.

@ronvalencia said:

@tormentos: Majority of +A grade titles are DX12 and future Microsoft Xbox One ports are heavily bias towards DX12.

I'll use your Anandtech's benchmark to show my point

For random textures, effective memory bandwidth between Fury X and R9-290X is 1.266X.

For uniform textures, effective memory bandwidth between Fury X and R9-290X is 1.47X. This factor is variable and dependent on compression engine's quality.

FLOPS difference between R9-290X and Fury X is 1.48X

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Rise of the Tomb Raider DX11 at 4K

Fury X = 30.4

R9-290X = 24.6

Your DX12 benchmark is obsolete with the latest Patch 7

Frame rate difference is 1.23X

One can say, this game is mostly memory bandwidth bound during sync graphics command workload. For memory access, async compute workload would be running out of phase from sync graphics command workload.

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Dirt Rally DX11 at 4K

Fury X = 52.6 fps

R9-290X = 41.6 fps

Frame rate difference is 1.264X

One can say, this game is mostly memory bandwidth bound during sync graphics command workload.

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Ashes of Singularity DX12 at 4K

Fury X = 45.5 fps

R9-290X = 34.7 fps

Frame rate difference is 1.311X

One can say,

this game is between memory bandwidth and ALU bound.

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BattleField 4 at 4K

Fury X = 51.1 fps

R9-290X = 38 fps

Frame rate difference is 1.34X

One can say

,

this game is between memory bandwidth and ALU bound during sync graphics command workload.

----------------------------------------------

Crysis 3 at 4K

Fury X = 27 fps

R9-290X = 19 fps

Frame rate difference is 1.42X

One can say

,

this game is between compressed memory bandwidth and ALU bound during sync graphics command workload.

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Hitman DX12 at 4K

Fury X = 44.2 fps

R9-290X = 33.6 fps

Frame rate difference is 1.31X

One can say,this game is between compressed memory bandwidth and ALU bound.

Conclusion:

Higher FLOPS needs to be backed by higher effective memory bandwidth.

Higher effective memory bandwidth needs to be backed by higher FLOPS.

When compared to PS4 NEO, Xbox Scorpio has higher memory bandwidth and higher FLOPS.

Based on effective memory bandwidth, one can predict Xbox Scorpio's performance relative to PS4 NEO and anything extra is a bonus.

Based on effective memory bandwidth and FLOPS, RX-480 falls into R9-290XR9-390/R9-390X range. RX-480's memory compression seems to be better than Fury X.

RX-480's memory compression booster factor: 1.36X

RX-480's memory bandwidth efficiency: 75.78 percent

PS4 NEO's 218 GB/s memory bandwidth

Effective memory bandwidth estimate: 224 GB/s

XBox Scorpio's 320 GB/s memory bandwidth

Effective memory bandwidth estimate: 329 GB/s

The effective memory bandwidth gap between the two consoles is 1.46X

The FLOPS gap between the two consoles is 1.42X

Microsoft made sure Scorpio's higher FLOPS power is backed by higher effective memory bandwidth.

If a hermit (with NVIDIA approach) is going to configure a games machine, both effective memory bandwidth and FLOPS should scale with each other.

For Scorpio, Microsoft is not making same mistakes as Xbox One i.e.

1. Avoid tiny memory storage with high memory bandwidth that requires special treatment.

2. Avoid insufficient FLOPS resources with high memory bandwidth.

PS4 didn't deliver true 1.4X power over XBO since both memory bandwidth and CPU didn't scale with 1.4X.

I made my comments as a Hermit(with NVIDIA approach) when config a gaming machine.

OMFG man stop your fu**ing hypocrite arguments most games now are not DX12,Vulkan or mantle period,most games that would come out supposedly will be DX12 which isn't warranty,since a big chunk of PC still on windows 7.

You even show a graph with DX12 on the FuryX but you fail to do so for the R290 which would also benefit and rise frame wise with DX2..

Here you blind biased hypocrite DX12..

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/hitman_2016_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,7.html

18FPS at 1080p

14FPS at 1440p

10FPS at 4k..

This is ^^ what 3700 Gflops produce of difference.

Stop falsely claiming the games in questions are bound some how you freaking lemming,no one care how bound or not the game supposedly is which you don't know either because you didn't work on those games you sad pathetic MS suck up.

Now what i care is then end results as all freaking GPU always come with some sort of pitfall all of them when AMD release its next one it will talk about Polaris pitfalls,and when release one after Vega it will talk about Vega pitfall always the same shit.

Oh and Aches of Singularity is a DX12 game you fool stop hiding on lame excuses FACT is the delta is small,funny how you always wanted to make seen the gap between the XBO and PS4 was nothing,and now you want to argue the one between Scorpio and Neo is huge but you are not a blind biased MS and AMD suck up right,.?

hahahaaa

Target resolution for NEO

NEO's resolution targets are higher than PS4's 1920x1080p, 1920x800p, 1600x900p.

Remember, PC max details has compute resource wastage relative to visual quality gain.

3200x1800 = 5,760,000 pixels

1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels

That's 2.7X.

It may not be 3840x2160, but 3200x1800 is significantly better than PS4's 1920x1080, 1920x800 and 1600x900.

Any resolution above 1920x1080 would need 4K UHDTV.

The most important improvement is sustained 16x Anisotropic Filtering not falling to 4X Anisotropic Filtering.

Would buy all three. Next Xbox after Scorpio? You're certainly optimistic!

How could we not be! MS already said they want to do a similar release as cell phones. Sony is the one that said IF we even get a PS5. I would be afraid to be a Sony fan today. Yikes.

Oh, and ouch...dat 2tflop hurts...

@kvally said:

@misterpmedia said:

@kvally said:

@misterpmedia said:

Looks like the only console hardware worth buying within the next 3 years is probably the NX if it turns out to be any good. Will skip NEO and buy the PS5 as it will decimate Scorpio. You can skip anything xbox hardware related full stop now, lots of money saved.

Might as well skip the PS5 because the Xbox following scorpio will decimate the PS5. Go for the PS6. In fact, I think Sony said there were not even sure there would be a PS5. Probably going straight to 7.

Would buy all three. Next Xbox after Scorpio? You're certainly optimistic!

How could we not be! MS already said they want to do a similar release as cell phones. Sony is the one that said IF we even get a PS5. I would be afraid to be a Sony fan today. Yikes.

Oh, and ouch...dat 2tflop hurts...

The bottleneck for console upgrades are Global Foundry's and TSMC's full generation process node shift and chip size which relates to cost.

That's 2.3X of PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS = 4.2 TFLOPS.

Math

(911 Mhz x 36 CU) x 0.128 = 4.2 TFLOPS

Try again.

Will SONY come back with even more powerful hardware in gen 9 to regain world's most powerful video game console in the history of video games like they currently have with PS4 and soon to be NEO????

I think NEO will be it for gen 8 SONY's consoles, I guess we'll see.

@tormentos:

Unlike Doom Vulkan on AMD GCN, Hitman DX12 doesn't use AMD's shader intrinsic functions.

Doom Vulkan+GCN intrinsic functions+Async compute is like an actual game console optimizations.

Ouch. You can see that cows are in DC mode when they have already started putting there hopes on a PS5.

lol even GTX 1080 can't do that at 4K. You are in for a disappointment.

@tormentos: Stop comparing PS4 API to PC. PS4 isn't using a PC API it's using its own so expect similar results to the PS4 CPU and the i3 - a bottleneck. GP-GPU didn't save the PS4 before, it won't be helping this one out too much either. The issue is the CPU feeding the GPU with pre-rendered frames AND computing gameplay data at 60+ FPS. GP-GPU isn't a miracle, you can't just replace the superior instruction set and low latency calculations of the CPU with some hodge podge A-sync cores. Given the difference in balance is much more severe this time we'll be seeing the bottleneck more pronounced this time. Even more so once Skorpio releases and devs don't want to be bothered having to cope with NEOs shortcomings. This console is (clearly by the previous document post) not going to do AAA native 4k at any decent settings, and not going to easily hit 60 frames per second in even moderately CPU constrained titles.

You were the same person parading that NEO would rival the 980 Ti/Fury level cards, despite everybody warning you of your ignorance and willingness to jump on meaningless talking points. Are you really so eager to jump into the "console's have miracle hardware" again?

Well, FreeSync over HDMI reduces the need for 60 fps.

Microsoft didn't state "60hz uncompressed pixels"

Xbox One port

Phil Spencer talks about bring Forza games into 4K. Note the R9-290X (263 GB/s effective memory bandwidth and 5.8 TFLOPS) and 980 results.

Effective memory bandwidth gap between R9-290X and 980 Ti is 1.38X

Forza 6 Apex's frame rate gap between R9-290X and 980 Ti is 1.31X

Another lesson on effective memory bandwidth delivering frame rates.

yes Exclusive its to Exclude (Ps4/wiiu) in this case from Selling a game LOOK IT UP

@ronvalencia said:

@kvally said:

@misterpmedia said:

@kvally said:

@misterpmedia said:

Looks like the only console hardware worth buying within the next 3 years is probably the NX if it turns out to be any good. Will skip NEO and buy the PS5 as it will decimate Scorpio. You can skip anything xbox hardware related full stop now, lots of money saved.

Might as well skip the PS5 because the Xbox following scorpio will decimate the PS5. Go for the PS6. In fact, I think Sony said there were not even sure there would be a PS5. Probably going straight to 7.

Would buy all three. Next Xbox after Scorpio? You're certainly optimistic!

How could we not be! MS already said they want to do a similar release as cell phones. Sony is the one that said IF we even get a PS5. I would be afraid to be a Sony fan today. Yikes.

Oh, and ouch...dat 2tflop hurts...

The bottleneck for console upgrades are Global Foundry's and TSMC's full generation process node shift and chip size which relates to cost.

That's 2.3X of PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS = 4.2 TFLOPS.

Math

(911 Mhz x 36 CU) x 0.128 = 4.2 TFLOPS

Try again.

LOL, what? You need some reading comprehension skillz. What does that have to do with what I said.

@ronvalencia said:

@kvally said:

@misterpmedia said:

@kvally said:

@misterpmedia said:

Looks like the only console hardware worth buying within the next 3 years is probably the NX if it turns out to be any good. Will skip NEO and buy the PS5 as it will decimate Scorpio. You can skip anything xbox hardware related full stop now, lots of money saved.

Might as well skip the PS5 because the Xbox following scorpio will decimate the PS5. Go for the PS6. In fact, I think Sony said there were not even sure there would be a PS5. Probably going straight to 7.

Would buy all three. Next Xbox after Scorpio? You're certainly optimistic!

How could we not be! MS already said they want to do a similar release as cell phones. Sony is the one that said IF we even get a PS5. I would be afraid to be a Sony fan today. Yikes.

Oh, and ouch...dat 2tflop hurts...

The bottleneck for console upgrades are Global Foundry's and TSMC's full generation process node shift and chip size which relates to cost.

That's 2.3X of PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS = 4.2 TFLOPS.

Math

(911 Mhz x 36 CU) x 0.128 = 4.2 TFLOPS

Try again.

your rigth about this but it makes you wonder why Sony Word it like this

2.3X 1.84 T = 4.2

if you ask me there is something shady here knowng Sony they wold have say OVER 4TF as they always do to make people thing its 4.9 or something

So at the very least its shady that they type 2.3X TF I would not be Surprised it it really is 2.3 TF and the other 2.3 Tf is reserve for VR they did say they are not uping graphics over ps4 just resolution and FPS

@panda30 said:

@ronvalencia said:

@kvally said:

@misterpmedia said:

@kvally said:

Might as well skip the PS5 because the Xbox following scorpio will decimate the PS5. Go for the PS6. In fact, I think Sony said there were not even sure there would be a PS5. Probably going straight to 7.

Would buy all three. Next Xbox after Scorpio? You're certainly optimistic!

How could we not be! MS already said they want to do a similar release as cell phones. Sony is the one that said IF we even get a PS5. I would be afraid to be a Sony fan today. Yikes.

Oh, and ouch...dat 2tflop hurts...

The bottleneck for console upgrades are Global Foundry's and TSMC's full generation process node shift and chip size which relates to cost.

That's 2.3X of PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS = 4.2 TFLOPS.

Math

(911 Mhz x 36 CU) x 0.128 = 4.2 TFLOPS

Try again.

your rigth about this but it makes you wonder why Sony Word it like this

2.3X 1.84 T = 4.2

if you ask me there is something shady here knowng Sony they wold have say OVER 4TF as they always do to make people thing its 4.9 or something

So at the very least its shady that they type 2.3X TF I would not be Surprised it it really is 2.3 TF and the other 2.3 Tf is reserve for VR they did say they are not uping graphics over ps4 just resolution and FPS

You musta been once bitten twice shy since you do seem to know Phony, the one and only. :P

@kvally said:

@ronvalencia said:

@kvally said:

@misterpmedia said:

Would buy all three. Next Xbox after Scorpio? You're certainly optimistic!

How could we not be! MS already said they want to do a similar release as cell phones. Sony is the one that said IF we even get a PS5. I would be afraid to be a Sony fan today. Yikes.

Oh, and ouch...dat 2tflop hurts...

The bottleneck for console upgrades are Global Foundry's and TSMC's full generation process node shift and chip size which relates to cost.

That's 2.3X of PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS = 4.2 TFLOPS.

Math

(911 Mhz x 36 CU) x 0.128 = 4.2 TFLOPS

Try again.

LOL, what? You need some reading comprehension skillz. What does that have to do with what I said.

It's against your "2tflop hurts"

The difference between NEO and Scorpio is 1.8 TFLOPS (for GPU).

Sony passport pls.

Also reported.

And will any game on Scorpio be playable on Neo, PS4, NX? They will be excluded and you wont play the Scorpio games without W10. The clinging to the traditional definition of "exclusive" is LOL. Your horse will still be excluded and you'll have to do business with MS one way or the other .

Lol at the damage control in this thread. First its "weak sauce xbone isn't even close to PS4" yet the Tflop difference is like 0.7 difference. Now Neo comes out at ~4.2 and Scorpio at ~6 and cows claim its minimal difference! Spin Spin Sugar!

Dat old presentation, and not being able to do math. A pure lem at heart, failing to use logic lol. No surprise. MS says a lot of things, everyone knows this *robertdownyjnreyeroll.gif*. Both consoles aren't really officially spec confirmed, Neo not even formerly announced. Scorpio, a year and a half away concept. That's a lot of time for any variable to change.

Sony also said they'd let MS go first this generation, then proceeded to decimate them so hard MS had to shop out some new balm for their butthurt and devalue and dilute their console strategy to even compete despite being dominated by Sony and Steam lol.

yup, so because I just rounded to 2 from 1.8, you got butt hurt. Why?

@ronvalencia said:

@kvally said:

@ronvalencia said:

@kvally said:

@misterpmedia said:

Would buy all three. Next Xbox after Scorpio? You're certainly optimistic!

How could we not be! MS already said they want to do a similar release as cell phones. Sony is the one that said IF we even get a PS5. I would be afraid to be a Sony fan today. Yikes.

Oh, and ouch...dat 2tflop hurts...

The bottleneck for console upgrades are Global Foundry's and TSMC's full generation process node shift and chip size which relates to cost.

That's 2.3X of PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS = 4.2 TFLOPS.

Math

(911 Mhz x 36 CU) x 0.128 = 4.2 TFLOPS

Try again.

LOL, what? You need some reading comprehension skillz. What does that have to do with what I said.

It's against your "2tflop hurts"

The difference between NEO and Scorpio is 1.8 TFLOPS (for GPU).

My view is the middle ground.

@kvally said:

yup, so because I just rounded to 2 from 1.8, you got butt hurt. Why?

@ronvalencia said:

@kvally said:

@ronvalencia said:

@kvally said:

How could we not be! MS already said they want to do a similar release as cell phones. Sony is the one that said IF we even get a PS5. I would be afraid to be a Sony fan today. Yikes.

Oh, and ouch...dat 2tflop hurts...

The bottleneck for console upgrades are Global Foundry's and TSMC's full generation process node shift and chip size which relates to cost.

That's 2.3X of PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS = 4.2 TFLOPS.

Math

(911 Mhz x 36 CU) x 0.128 = 4.2 TFLOPS

Try again.

LOL, what? You need some reading comprehension skillz. What does that have to do with what I said.

It's against your "2tflop hurts"

The difference between NEO and Scorpio is 1.8 TFLOPS (for GPU).

@SecretPolice said:

@panda30 said:

@ronvalencia said:

@kvally said:

@misterpmedia said:

Would buy all three. Next Xbox after Scorpio? You're certainly optimistic!

How could we not be! MS already said they want to do a similar release as cell phones. Sony is the one that said IF we even get a PS5. I would be afraid to be a Sony fan today. Yikes.

Oh, and ouch...dat 2tflop hurts...

The bottleneck for console upgrades are Global Foundry's and TSMC's full generation process node shift and chip size which relates to cost.

That's 2.3X of PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS = 4.2 TFLOPS.

Math

(911 Mhz x 36 CU) x 0.128 = 4.2 TFLOPS

Try again.

your rigth about this but it makes you wonder why Sony Word it like this

2.3X 1.84 T = 4.2

if you ask me there is something shady here knowng Sony they wold have say OVER 4TF as they always do to make people thing its 4.9 or something

So at the very least its shady that they type 2.3X TF I would not be Surprised it it really is 2.3 TF and the other 2.3 Tf is reserve for VR they did say they are not uping graphics over ps4 just resolution and FPS

You musta been once bitten twice shy since you do seem to know Phony, the one and only. :P

What? I don't speak ignorance

bitten?

Phony?

WTF???

"not being able to do math" - awe, don't be so hard on yourself.

"MS says a lot of things" - awe, so does Sony. *robertdownyjnreyeroll.gif*

"That's a lot of time for any variable to change." - True, rumor is Scorpio might be pushed to 7tflops by then. Great news for all gamers.

The bad news for PS only fans is having the weak NEO, and losing all their exclusives. We should have a vigil for them.

Signed,

Your Favorite Manticore

@panda30:

Oh for crying out loud word police. Extrapolation isn't in your skill set I see.

I'll avoid from now on.

WTF indeed.

What does the math part have to do with me? You got schooled by the Ron guy, how old are you 8? Judging by your math, probably! Cute.

Do they? News to me. MS are PR Hindenburgs. You must be remembering Sony's flawless PR, so yeah you're right they do say stuff.

Not denying scorpio could get bumped, but what would that matter? There's PC at my leisure from the moment it was announced at E3 to an unspecified time in the future to build a rig to compliment my PS5(as they'll still be a point in buying one), skipping the worthless xbox hardware full stop. But you're right, great news for gamers, they get to spend money saved on not buying xbox hardware and live subs on games instead, quite right! But anyway, the point was you relying on info and saying things when they haven't even been officially set in stone, let alone launched.

I love lem logic, I bet you missed how all PS4 games are on Vita too right? Derp.

A true lem you are.

Well I dont get what you say there at all

Not surprised.

I was agreeing with you, Sony can be "Phony" A little play on words.

1. pho·ny[ˈfōnē]

   ADJECTIVE

   1. not genuine; fraudulent: "I thought your accent was a bit phony"

      synonyms: bogus · false · fake · fraudulent · spurious · counterfeit ·

      [more]forged · feigned · pseudo · imitation · sham · man-made · mock · ersatz · synthetic · artificial · simulated · pretended · contrived · affected · insincere · inauthentic · pretend · put-onantonyms: authentic

   NOUN

   1. a fraudulent person or thing.

      synonyms: impostor · sham · fake · fraud · charlatan · con artist ·

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True that......

Lol cows here are all claiming hermit again.

The cow cries are flowing. The good thing is, at least you are a real man and are not afraid to shed a tear. Most women actually find that attractive, and we applaud you.

Regarding math, here is some additional education for you:

2.alter (a number) to one less exact but more convenient for calculations."we'll round the weight up to the nearest pound"

There won't be any point in buying a PS5 (because Sony doesn't even know if there will be one, and most PS games are also on PC, and the exclusives will be gone once NEO hits). One has to wonder, with the Playstation offering the NEO, taking away exclusives, offering less performance, and less games, what will be the point of Playstation? Probably explains why there are more gamers on Xbox and Microsoft Windows than their are on PS.

Love ya cow! Smoochie Boochie.

Yeah, another just did. It's funny. They are pushed into a corner, now all of a sudden Microsoft Windows is their savior, lol!

I'm ok w/ that, especially if the price is reasonable.

Nah. They have a massive installed lead that isn't going to vanish all that quickly. Sony faithful are exactly that. They will now not care about power or resolution of multiplats as a bullet point after Scorpio comes out as they will be on the short end again. Its going to switch to "true exclusives" as if they benefit in any way by a game only being on PS4/Neo.

this year looks bad too. I can't think of any games they have coming out for the rest of 2016. Guess my PS4 won't get much use until horizon comes out sometime next year

IDK If i was a console gamer with only a PS4, I'd jump all over a scorpio. Best multiplats, Access to all the xbox exclusive and a bunch of 360 games via BC that were missed and still have the base PS4 for sony exclusives

Wouldn't mind if they add sata-3 support, so one could actually make use of ssd, I'd slap 1tb oen on it instantly.

Last Guardian, GT Sport, Gravity Rush 2, Drawn to Death, Dreams, Nier Automata, and Persona 5 do nothing for you?

Sit down, obvious lem. Leave the gamer talk to the grownups.

yea helerios when they hate PC gaming but when they get push to the point they have no argument its pritty much this

I will never buy this xbox because il be playing it on this

failing to realize that all those games are exclusive to xbox console or PC

when they buy thos games guees where they buying them from

Xbox Store

so at the end of the day this ( I hate xbox il go buy it on PC ) its just a retarded argumentt not to mention for all we know Scorpio may and up being Xbox version of Steam Box

@Legend002:

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