PS4 neo slideshow leaked

This shit is old.

I doubt it's getting released this October. We are less than 3 months away and Sony hasn't come out with the specs. I doubt it gets released this year even.

One is a console, one is a PC. I don't see whats so hard for lemmings to comprehend about this. A Console is not a PC. Otherwise all Lemmings are Hermits and all Hermits are Lemmings. Likewise, just because I own an XBox Live account doesn't make me a lemming in any way because I have a PC that I game on.

Playstation Neo is the same console as the PS4, just offered with stronger hardware, it is no different from a handheld which improves on its hardware with various models. Are all 3DS games multiplatform because the New 3DS released? Don't be ridiculous.

So you're saying that 4-5 years down the line, there won't be games that only release on Neo?

Neo is completely different hardware, and a different system. You cows are stretching this hard.

In terms of playing a game, a PC, a console, a set top box, a tablet, a smartphone, or anything else is simply hardware.. hardware that enables you to utilize software.. and as such, unless a piece of hardware has the exact same internals, they are different pieces of hardware.. so yea, your typical gaming PC and an Xbox One are both different pieces of hardware.. and also a PS4 and a Neo are different pieces of hardware.. the factor that ties either of these cases together is what unified store, ecosystem, and account that game is tied to.. So sure, you don't have to be a lemming to play games on PC, but you damn well will be using the unified Windows Store and Xbox Live if you plan on playing any Xbox/Win10 exclusives via any legal means..

Now that the baseline is set:

* In terms of gaming, God of War for the PS4 and Neo will come from the same PlayStation Store, using the same core OS, the same cloud saves, the same username log-in, the same online community, the same trophies, and will require the purchase of one single game that's playable on both.. the only difference is the hardware configurations..

and

* In terms of gaming, Gears of War 4 for the Xbox One and Windows 10 PC, will come from the same Windows Store, using the same core OS, the same cloud saves, the same username log-in, the same online community, the same achievements, and will require the purchase of one single game that's playable on both.. the only difference is the hardware configurations..

Beyond your personal and outdated view of what a platform is, what is the true difference between these two scenarios?.. there is none..

Edit: and to address your initial claim of "One is a console, one is a PC", fair enough.. But a Windows 10 PC is a Windows 10 device and since the November update, an Xbox One is a Windows 10 device.. that's the key that breaks down your entire argument.. with the RedStone 1 update coming next month, that ideal will be solidified with a universal Windows Store across all Windows 10 devices.. step out of the past and into the present kind sir.. "Xbox" is a platform and Windows 10 is the basis for that platform when it comes to gaming.. you wont be playing any Xbox exclusive unless youre playing it on a Windows 10 device.. period.. I hope that clears things up for you..

Can we please stop bashing Sony? SW is supposed to be dominated by cows and i don't appreciate seeing so much hate toward playstation. It irritates me, makes me buttmad. Stop.

We still dominate the board, it's just that every once in awhile the lems rally together to mount a weak attack. It's always the same couple of dudes.

I play games not graphics.....right lems?

LMAO, no one even likes the Xbone, kid XD

Xbone Slim is already a failure before launch.

1) no one likes xbox yet your arguing whit people that do

2) no one likes the xbox yet you calling it xbone out of butthurt

3) no one at all yet 16.5million are playing halo5

thats more people then all ps4 exclusives sells combine //uncharted4 2.7mill // bloodborn 1mill the rest dint even hit a mill

yet no one likes xbox LMAOL

The Xbone is closer to PS4 than a PC. They're both artificially restricted walled garden PCs that have almost identical hardware, one just has a slightly tighter skirt on than the other.

Yes Xbone shares games with PC, but so does PS4.

Soo - Lemmings are failing in the console race so they are trying to claim that they are on a team with hermits? Again, 3Ds and New 3Ds are the exact same handheld, even though the New 3Ds has stronger hardware. Don't be upset that XBox has no exclusives, and don't change the definition of an exclusive to remove other consoles exclusives in hopes to take the spotlight off of Microsofts redundant service. Is the Fat PS3 a different system than the Slim PS3 because it removed the Emotion Engine chip?

Pc is Pc, Xbox is Xbox, a game shared on XBox and PC is multiplatform, the OS means very little. As a PC gamer with an XBL account playing windows 10 games, I am not a Lemming - no matter how much you Lemmings want to change that by repeating ad nauseum, this isn't 4Chan and this isn't Millhouse.

Its not completely different, they upclocked the CPU and put in a stronger GPU. This isn't a major overhaul in any sense of the term. Are you going to claim there are no PS3 exclusives because of the removal of the second CPU in the redesigned PS3? Are there no 3Ds exclusives because the New 3Ds is stronger? This just in - there are no PC exclusives because everyone has different hardware! An Android exclusive game which requires certain specs is still an Android exclusive, it is not multiplatform just because there are many phone hardware options out there.

There are exclusives for kinect, which can't be played without a kinect. The updated PS4 is just that, an update, a different sku, a different model of the same console.

This is a weak, half thought up argument to take the heat off your chosen console for your chosen company's decision to make it a useless redundant piece of underpowered hardware. I'm sure you notice that right now Lemmings are alone on their claims, unless you want to convince Hermits that they are in fact Lemmings. Had this been done at launch there wouldn't be any talk of it, Lemmings are just running damage control because they bet on the wrong horse this gen.

no one is bashing Ps4 we are just stating facts well I lest I am

1) its shady sony to say 2.3x instead of over 4 TF

2) Scorpio > Neo at this point

3) last week you all made a post questioning whether Scorpio 6TF was good enough for 4k that maybe at 20FPS YET NOW you argue 4TF (if not 2.3) wil do do not just 4K but 4K Ultra at 60FPS

Keep cheerleading guys. If you defend it until the end, Microsoft and Sony are going to send you free consoles.

@panda30: no doubt that Scorpio >>> NEO. Curious to see what Sony will do about this. They delay the annoument must mean that the are trying something to DC the whole situation.

Neo + PSVR.

Fumble. Fumbliya. Fumblerooski.

Now cows are denying it's even gonna come out.

Lawl

lol 1.84 x 2.3=4.23

holy crap I thought it would be more powerful.

In comparison to the OG PS4, doesn't seem like a big jump.

gg sony, scorpio will annihilate it

@panda30: There is no direct correlation between Tflops and Resolution Tflops just measure theoretical computing power. We will do better when we know the variables that make up the 6TF.

Scorpio will have Zen lite cores with a modified RX 480, it will be a 480 with slightly more bandwidth to play with and also probably have 8 ACES and 64 ROPS compared to the 4 ACES and 32 ROPS in the RX 480, slight up clock too. Should be a quite balanced system imo.

Agreed.

M$ sent Sony back to the drawing board.. now Sony needs to spend more money to improve the NEO.

I really hope you hardcore Sony fan boy cows all go out and buy Neo. It's more than twice as powerful than PS4. Not Scorpio ♏ power but...I digress.

Don't buy an S or a Scorpio. We really don't want to play anything with you. Stick to the lonely station, with your single players and pin drop quiet multi player games where nobody talks to each other.

Evidently, simple math confuses and angers him.

Considering flops are floating point performance I would be inclined to disagree with you entirely, especially when the architecture and performance output of said hardware is in practice and understood.

I am guessing the Neo will be closer to 499USD.

399USD seems too cheap with the PS4 still selling for 299-349USD.

@dynamitecop: floating point operations are relevant due to the transformations of vectors that are required. How quickly your gpu can do the calculations and cull the triangles for a frame is what flops will help you measure. Again this is correlates to how quickly they can be rasterized but it is still loosely coupled. That's I I said no direct correlation.

Using the flop numbers of pc gpus and what they are capable of is not an accurate way to say what Scorpio/ neo can or cannot do

I'm still confused, is Neo something I should wait and get. I don't have 4k tv but ps4 gets the third party games i want.

@bloodlust_101: And again, I'll see ya online for some Gears 4 regardless of what Windows 10 device you decide to play it on.. What's your Xbox Live gamer tag so I can add you?.. Xbox is a platform now and welcome to the family, sir.. Good times are ahead..

Wow, dude thanks for owning yourself and thanks for making my entire point.. The thing that makes an Android game "exclusive" to Android is the fact that it's tied to the Android OS, it's tied to your Google account, and you can only download it from the unified Google Store.. Just in the same sense that the thing that makes an Xbox/Win10 game "exclusive" to Xbox is the fact that it's tied to the Windows 10 OS, it's tied to your Xbox Live account, and you can only download it from the unified Windows Store.. hardware options are irrelevant..

Cool, i'm glad we can agree on that.. /discussion

WTF...hahahaa

The PS4 API >>>>>>>>>>>>> DX12.

Oh really then why the PS4 beat a 750ti OC by 200mhz and memory OC 400mhz with a i3 on SWBF3.?

GPGPU did help the PS4 in fact is what help it on SWBF3.

That bold part make no sense,you don't know what Pre-render means apparently.

It can do 4k just like Scorpio can as well,and several GPU on PC,most test done on PC use Ultra which isn't even a need on 4k,high would be more than enough so would medium.

You are an idiot i wasn't parading that neo would rival a 980ti you idiot,i was going by benchmarks of the RX480,which on Doom with Vulkan actually rival a damn 980ti.

In fact i even eliminated the 980ti from the comparison so that cry babies like you would stop crying,and i keep comparing it with the Fury results on hitman which were most of the comparison i make.

You should stop your crap since we already establish that you are a lemming hiding behind PC.

The problem is we don't need and xbox one or scorpio for those games PERIOD who cares is MS wins,you didn't care when you need it a PS3 or PS4 to play LBP3,the game was quickly tag as multiplatform and dismiss,so was TLOU on PS4 which is higher rated than any game on xbox one,and still we should ignore it because it was on PS3 never mind the fact that you had to do busyness one way or the other with Sony.

I have a windows 10 PC,so i don't need an xbox one or scorpio for those games that is a win for me,a loss for MS because in don't have to pay $60 for online play on PC.

The only difference is this...

The problem is this look at the 7850 doing 15FPS more than the 7770,the gap between both in Gflops is 530Gflops..

The difference between the xbox one and the PS4 is 540 gflops 1.3 vs 1.84,and the PS4 has show a gap as big as 15FPS and even more vs the XBO 1080p.

Now lets compare the 290X which is 5.6TF vs the Fury X which is 8.TF..

Can you tell me the gap what it is.? Oh is 17FPS how can that be.?

So how come 530Gflops can produce 15FPS yet almost 6 times that disparity 3000Gflops only produce 17FPS on the same engine.?

Is very simple if you know a thing or 2 about PC,is call diminishing returns,the higher in flops that you go,the lesser the return is,that ^^ benchmark no matter how much you,Ronvalencia or any other lemming deny it wasn't make by me,is a benchmark done on SWBF3 with multiple GPU,and the CPU bottleneck is totally eliminated,since the same CPU is in use on all cards and this is a DX12 game which is also DX12 on xbox one,and use async shaders on PS4.

The gap between these GPU is totally GPU based,and higher end GPU like the 480,290,fury,390 the flop gap is not indicative of how big a gap can be.

So you can just say well the PS4 beat the xbox one by 15 frames in this game,so scorpio which has a gap 3 times as big as that of the XBO and PS4 should do 45FPS more,it simple doesn't work that way is not spin and you can see it,unless you are on denial which are another 2 cents.

Rumor what rumor are you going to mistermedia site again blackace? I though you drop it after your failed secret NDA hardware inside the xbox one failed to materialize.

No dude unlike the xbox one who loss its exclusives the PS4 still has their and is not losing them any time soon to PC blakace.

Oh i see you still holding to your manticore argument..lol

Speak for your lemming self..lol

1-You are trying to hard..lol

2-That sony doesn't know if there will be a PS5 argument remind me of when lemming claimed last gen that sony could not make a stronger console than MS because it was going bankrupt..lol

3-Hahahahaahahaahaaaa Since when Neo version make sony exclusives multiplatform.? That is as moronic as claming Star Citizen isn't PC exclusive because well can run on R390X and also on a 980ti and since both are different hardware that mean is not exclusive..lol

Hahahahaa Neo is a PS4 is stronger hardware but still is a PS4,with the same OS,same saves,same online same everything,in fact you don't need different media like on xbox one vs windows version were you can't physically play the XBO version on PC..lol

What.... Hahahahaaa more games on windows and xbox than on PS.? Maybe Blackace completely loss it this time and think steam games work on xbox one...lol

@tormentos:

The problem is we don't need and xbox one or scorpio for those games PERIOD who cares is MS wins,you didn't care when you need it a PS3 or PS4 to play LBP3,the game was quickly tag as multiplatform and dismiss,so was TLOU on PS4 which is higher rated than any game on xbox one,and still we should ignore it because it was on PS3 never mind the fact that you had to do busyness one way or the other with Sony.

I have a windows 10 PC,so i don't need an xbox one or scorpio for those games that is a win for me,a loss for MS because in don't have to pay $60 for online play on PC.

That's how this forum works. And cows pissed and moaned it was "the PS family" and don't even try to say they didn't.

I'm not committed to buying a Scorpio so I don't care if you don't NEED an X1 or scorpio. I wont NEED a Neo to play PSNeo games, so what?

I don't NEED any of this. Its a hobby, a luxury. I need: food, shelter, sleep, companionship, to relieve myself and water.

Like Bob Dylan sang, The times.......they are a changing. That definition of "exclusive" isn't going to stop consumers that want a Scorpio from buying a Scorpio. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is call a made to order argument,it just consist of bullshit arguments on why you don't like ANYTHING ON PS4, a console that you apparently ""OWN"" but don't like anything on it,wait are't you the one who claim to win a PS4.?

So you don't like Japanese games,but you like Recore which is made by a also Japanese developer Comcept,and which you admit have see little,how the fu** can you like a game which you have barely see.? Oh wait this reminded me of how you lemming downplaying PS4 games which showed gameplay and were Japanese,but some how could not stop mouthing freaking Scalebound when it was just a CG with no gameplay shown whatsoever,worse the game was from a japanese developer as well.

So this is simple a case of i hate ND,Uncharted,TLOU,Bloodorn and anything on PS4 but like any piece of shit MS throw my way even if it is multiplatform.

Yet you are interested in Gears (same old over abused dudebro shooter,South Park (do i even need to say anything) Titanfall 2 (another dude bro COD wannabe shooter) and Maybe Record a Japanese game which you barely have see anything,and what make this incredible is that you are downplaying games like Uncharted2,TLOU,Bloodborn and Uncharted 4 which all are 90+ on metacritic which is a score not found on xbox one exclusives...

Then you bring Halo 5 the biggest letdown and flop of the mighty generation,this game flopping here knows no equal,this is the game is the series that could not ever flop...lol

Which is stupid as i would take Persona 5 5 million times over Recore,which no one knows how good or bad it would be at least Persona is a know and proven series.

And this is what strike me the most,as liking Persona doesn't make you a damn nerd who is into hentai and doesn't know what a woman is,i happen to like the series and i have 7 kids with 3 different woman not counting the countless i banged that din't (thank God) pregnant.

Then how you try to claim you are not a lemming,when you single handed downplayed every fu**ing game on PS4 using as excuse the usual i don't like it or that,which is totally irrelevant i don't fu**ing care if you like Gears,halo Forza shit,most people DONT which is the point and doesn't stop those games from being GREAT on PS4.

UC2,UC4,BB and TLOU all have higher score than every single exclusive on xbox one period.

So while you deny being a lemming.

Probably while wearing one of this ^^.

Combined with one of this..

I wouldn't be surprise if you have one of thise ^^ on your butt cheeks,while denying being a freaking lemming.

I tell you this you and anyone here can claim i am the biggest cow this place has ever seen,but at least i am an honest cow,who doesn't fool its self by denying what it is,maybe you lemming need to learn do to that,because denying being a lemming while doing nothing but kiss MS ass all day here make you look dishonest and sad after all who can take anything you say as true if you can't admit something so easy to see that you are a lemming.

But wait i am not done making you look like a fool..

By that first line you should not even be playing now on XBO because it is a shitty platform for multiplatforms,yet you don't have any problems claiming this..

@darkangel115 said:

I'm currently playing overwatch on X1 and PS4, some small amounts of rocket league on X1 and PS4, Halo 5 (a lot of firefight and arena), And just grabbed a bunch of games on sale i never got around to like arkham knight, Metro bundle, SR bundle to name a few. Xbox just has an awesome sale so i grabbed some stuff.

So how best multiplatforms count for Scorpio but some how that doesn't stop you from playing multiplatforms on the shitty inferior xbox one.?

I hope you enjoy the ownage you just got for being a liar and a hypocrite.

It matter enough to kick the xbox one butt....lol

Can you use an xbox one game on PC.? Yes or no.?

Because on Neo you can use only 1 game,you don't need to buy multiple version or download something for a different platform.

You can't play PC games on xbox one,unless they are MS games which are make for both platforms,you can't physically download a PC and run it on xbox one regardless of using windows 10 as well,you can't play or install your XBO disc on PC,is a different platform with a different installer.

NO in fact i don't even need to pay on PC to play online MS games on xbox one yeah fork $60 on Neo or PS4 both pay $50,since is the same PSN.

So no is not even close to be the same.

Lets kill this pathetic argument..

Neo can play all PS4 games,PS4 can play all Neo games 1 disc need it.

PC can play xbox exclusive,xbox and Scorpio can't play PC games.

There goes your arguments flying.

You need to pay $50 to play online on neo or PS4 both uses the same structure.

Scorpio and XBO pay $60 PC pays nothing...

There goes your argument again.

You can't install your xbox one copy or scorpio on PC you need a different version.

You can't install the PC version on xbox one or scorpio you need a different version.

All PS4 games work on Neo,all Neo games work on PS4..

Argument kill point failed..

Yes and you are a fool i already prove how 3TF of performance difference can yield gaps as little as 7 or 8 FPS,who ever think that scorpio will kill neo is day dreaming.

Probably knee deep in fantasy land.

Please dude were are on a forum who use to claim lemming invented the term console exclusive.

To use games like Witcher on PC and XB 360 as some some or exclusive,you people failed an exclusive is a game in just 1 platform.

No it will not,but i am not arguing that i am arguing it that you don't need scorpio for those games,so if some one want and xbox and Halo it would care less if Halo is on PC,this apply to PS4 games as well which has many games in co-op with PC which are not found on xbox one.

But exclusives talking is a different thing you see,because if you see Gears 4 and you like what you saw, you can chose between an xbo One or a PC,which you chose is ultimately your choice,if you see Uncharted 4 and you like what you see get a PS4 there is no way around that one,either neo or normal but you get a PS4.

This is the true difference between exclusives and multiplatforms.

@tormentos: Damn @Tormentos laying down the smack on these Lems LoL

The point was that you don't seem to understand is you can get a general idea of expected performance by looking at the TFLOPS of a device within its own hardware line. Also you yet again need to understand that the hardware disparity between Neo and Scorpio is essentially that of a PlayStation 4 GPU in excess of what Neo offers, that's a huge difference and in every instance Scorpio is going to slaughter Neo, undebatable.

I don't care what you think you 'proved', a GPU that is within the same architectural lineage which is Teraflops above another is going to slaughter the lesser device in every instance, on consoles this will be even more pronounced due to the sheer level of metal to metal application specific coding.

@tormentos:

Please dude were are on a forum who use to claim lemming invented the term console exclusive.

To use games like Witcher on PC and XB 360 as some some or exclusive,you people failed an exclusive is a game in just 1 platform.

No it will not,but i am not arguing that i am arguing it that you don't need scorpio for those games,so if some one want and xbox and Halo it would care less if Halo is on PC,this apply to PS4 games as well which has many games in co-op with PC which are not found on xbox one.

But exclusives talking is a different thing you see,because if you see Gears 4 and you like what you saw, you can chose between an xbo One or a PC,which you chose is ultimately your choice,if you see Uncharted 4 and you like what you see get a PS4 there is no way around that one,either neo or normal but you get a PS4.

This is the true difference between exclusives and multiplatforms.

Except if I do choose to buy a game, I get two copies for the price of one. And I can take my Surface 4 pro and play any game I buy when I travel without starting a new game. All my progress is synched. Uncharted 4? Nope. I have to bring my console with me. I don't like packing a console compared to a powerful tablet but maybe that's just me.

As far as the Witcher 2 on PC and 360 last gen, yes just like games on PS4 and PC it is a plus to the library that the Nintendo or MS consoles don't have. EXCLUDED. It's a real word, and that is starting to matter when console gamers compare libraries.

I know more console gamers than PC. When they compare libraries, If a game is also on PC it doesn't matter to them because they want to buy a console.

Like I said the times are changing.

There's a correlation with TFLOPS and effective memory bandwidth.

TFLOPS needs to be backed by effective memory bandwidth.

Effective memory bandwidth. needs to be backed by TFLOPS.

Performance will be bottle-necked by the weakness point..

The basic parameter for Xbox Scorpio is at least Geforce GTX 980 level performance.

http://www.wired.com/2016/06/xbox-vr-scorpio-phil-spencer/

Spencer says, developers are usually building a PC version of any given game alongside the Xbox version—and increasingly, that means a 4K version. “When we started looking at Scorpio,” he says, “we asked the partners, ‘in order to build a true high-fidelity 4K game, what capabilities do you need?’ That’s what we designed Scorpio around. It’s kind of like a [GeForce GTX] 980 card on the PC. I get the capability that I need as a developer to deliver a high-fidelity 4K game. ”

Xbox Scorpio's performance estimate

As for RX-480, any overclock editions will be bounded by effective memory bandwidth.

For example

((256 bit x 9000Mhz) / 8) x Polaris's 75.79 percent memory bandwidth efficiency) x Polaris's compression booster 1.36X = 297 GB/s

For reference RX-480

((256 bit x 8000Mhz) / 8) x Polaris's 75.79 percent memory bandwidth efficiency) x Polaris's compression booster 1.36X = 264 GB/s

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Scorpio's 320 GB/s memory bandwidth

((384 bit x 6700 Mhz) / 8) x Polaris's 75.79 percent memory bandwidth efficiency) x Polaris's compression booster 1.36X = 333 GB/s

Comparison.

The memory bandwidth gap between Fury X and R9-290 = 1.266X (random textures)

With Fury X, it's memory compression is inferior to NVIDIA's Maxwell.

The FLOPS gap between Fury X and R9-290 = 1.48X

The frame rate gap between R9-290X and Fury X is 1.19X.

Random texture memory bandwidth gap's 1.266X factor is closer to frame rate gap's 1.19X.FLOPS gap between R9-290X (5.8 TFLOPS)and Fury X (8.6 TFLOPS) plays very little part with frame rate gap.

With 980 Ti (5.63 TFLOPS), it's superior memory compression enables it to match Fury X's results.

Conclusion: When there's enough FLOPS for a particular workload, effective memory bandwidth is better prediction method for higher grade GPUs.

when in doubt post more graphs and charts.

lawl Cows and their Neo they are already jumping ship. before E3 they were all pre-ordering two.

Evidently, simple Reading confuses and angers both of you

I say (its shady sony to say 2.3x instead of over 4 TF) I didn't say it is 2.3 but that it is shady they don't just sat 4.2TF

thats like Mocrosoft saying Scorpio will have 4X2 cores is instead of just 8 cores why would Sony say 2.3unless there's a reason

as i guess before it's probably because 2.3 are for games / and the rest is reserve for VR dont forget this is a dev presentacion Slide they would not do that unless they had a reason

the last time I seen Sony do something like this was on Ps3 2 x 256 Ram witch we all know now why they type it that way only 256 was for developers 256 was reserve for GPU

@tormentos: With Xbox Play Anywhere and the unified Windows Store, yes I'll be able to buy a game once and play it on both Xbox One and Windows 10 PC.. Complete with cross-saves, a single list of achievements, a single Xbox Live friends list, and everything else that constitutes a single game from a single platform

all that computer graphs are irrelevant

the same GPU w/ 8 core AMD and 8 core i7 will perform different and lots of thos PC have over 38Ram

Which is irrelevant because either one you get if you get the PC version you are not getting and xbox one,and MS already loss in 2 fronts,1 they don´t get a royalty for hardware,2 they don´t to charge a live fee,and that is without taking into account that MS also wins from multiplatforms games and everything on XBO while on PC it doesn´t.

Yes and how much is a surface $900 dollars and you can play what dumbed down version of games? because it has an intel graphics chips which is total shit for 3d graphics compare to next gen GPU.

You may run adobe better on a tablet but games even the XBO mops the floor with a surface 4.

For me an exclusive is a game in 1 platform any other thing is not.

For Xbox Scorpio and PS4 NEO, NVIDIA Gameworks and PC DX11 results are irrelevant.

Xbox Scorpio and PS4 NEO higher level graphics details will be develop which is alternative path to Nvidia Gamework's higher level graphics effects.

AMD is betting Xbox Scorpio's and PS4 NEO's Shader Intrinsic Functions (hit-the-metal) to be ported towards PCs e.g. Doom Vulkan is the first example.

For Scorpio's CPU issue...

During E3 2016, Scorpio is being designed with VR Oculus considerations e.g. Intel i5-4590 equivalent.

Scorpio's CPU has to include AMD ZEN class CPU.

So Neo is going to be named exactly PS4? It's a new system dude, PS4 loses every exclusive that goes to the Neo.

Owned him pretty hard.

Poor cows, flip flopping all over the places damage controlling non stop

Both Sony's and Microsoft's "Exclusive" definition are based on software run-time ecosystem.

1. Microsoft still gets a cut from games delivered from Windows Store (Xbox Anywhere) version.

2. Windows 10's business revenue model is similar Google's Android.

3. Microsoft gets a cut from shipped PCs with Windows 10 OEM.

Looking at my financials being I own stock in MSFT, I doubt they're worried about what you call "losses".

Bottom lin? If they are going to sell their games through their store on PC, you're going to have to pay them. And starting at the end of the month, every new PC sold will have W10 on it and it wont be free.

My Surface cost more than that. But as an Engineering student I use it for so many different things. I'd buy 2 more of them before I'd buy a Neo LOL.

For me, an exclusive doesn't matter. I buy things I wish to own and use. I don't care who can play games or where they can or cant play them. I don't work for these companies. But I own stock in quite a few of them. You keep fighting that fight though.

@cainetao11: Surface Book owner here.. The Surface is worth every penny. Even if I bought it for $1800 USD

You got the Book? Nice. The Surface line has just gotten better and better. Best tablet on the market for me. I got the 256 GB with i7 with a student discount and veteran discount so I paid1200