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#1 mitu123
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This is a very bad move seeing how Xbox One(and heck even Wii U) can do it. I guess we're stuck with 1TB internal hard drives, and I don't see that being enough when games get bigger in size. Not to mention for gamers who want to buy more games digitally like me.

So X1>PS4 in this area.

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TCHBO :cool:

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#3 lx_theo
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The PS4 can have the internal harddrive upgraded. Its really more matter of preference on which method you prefer, no?
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The PS4 can have the internal harddrive upgraded. Its really more matter of preference on which method you prefer, no?lx_theo
You are limited to 1TB IIRC which is not enough for me.
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i could see this as being pretty bad.
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[QUOTE="lx_theo"]The PS4 can have the internal harddrive upgraded. Its really more matter of preference on which method you prefer, no?clyde46
You are limited to 1TB IIRC which is not enough for me.


There's a 2TB 2.5" drive from Western Digital, unless it's a hardware restriction by the PS4, which would make no sense at all.

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[QUOTE="lx_theo"]The PS4 can have the internal harddrive upgraded. Its really more matter of preference on which method you prefer, no?clyde46
You are limited to 1TB IIRC which is not enough for me.

So you're saying its confirmed that, by design, that the system can only use up to 1TB? Because its not like the harddrive industry is frozen still.
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#8 mitu123
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The PS4 can have the internal harddrive upgraded. Its really more matter of preference on which method you prefer, no?lx_theo
You're stuck with 1TB...that's going to be a joke in the long run unless you don't mind buying more to swap out.

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Wasn't it the same with the PS3?

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#10 mitu123
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="lx_theo"]The PS4 can have the internal harddrive upgraded. Its really more matter of preference on which method you prefer, no?Consternated

You are limited to 1TB IIRC which is not enough for me.


There's a 2TB 2.5" drive from Western Digital, unless it's a hardware restriction by the PS4, which would make no sense at all.

It has to be 9.5mm, any higher and it won't fit in the PS4.

12mm, 15mm, etc. don't work, only 9.5mm.

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#11 Consternated
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[QUOTE="Consternated"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] You are limited to 1TB IIRC which is not enough for me. mitu123


There's a 2TB 2.5" drive from Western Digital, unless it's a hardware restriction by the PS4, which would make no sense at all.

It has to be 9.5mm, any higher and it won't fit in the PS4.

12mm, 15mm, etc. don't work, only 9.5mm.

Ahh. Thanks for clearing that up.

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#12 mitu123
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Wasn't it the same with the PS3?

Trail_Mix

Yep, and that what sucked about the PS3, though the games weren't that big in size for the most part so 1TB is fine on PS3.

PS4 however with talks about games getting up to 50GB and such...

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Well, Xbox One won't let you upgrade the internal hard drive, so it better let you install them to the external one. Wii U comes with minuscule memory, so again, it better let you install them to the external one. PS4 lets you upgrade the internal hard drive, so why would it let you install them to the external one? What's the point?
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#15 Nonstop-Madness
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This isn't really an issue. Delete the content off the hard drive and redownload it whenever you need it. Most people on Steam don't have their entire games library downloaded and installed on their hard drive.
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#16 mitu123
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Well, Xbox One won't let you upgrade the internal hard drive, so it better let you install them to the external one. Wii U comes with minuscule memory, so again, it better let you install them to the external one. PS4 lets you upgrade the internal hard drive, so why would it let you install them to the external one? What's the point?charizard1605
More space for more games. Games are gonna get bigger after all! Last gen we had games over 20GB!!!

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#17 lx_theo
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[QUOTE="Consternated"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] You are limited to 1TB IIRC which is not enough for me. mitu123


There's a 2TB 2.5" drive from Western Digital, unless it's a hardware restriction by the PS4, which would make no sense at all.

It has to be 9.5mm, any higher and it won't fit in the PS4.

12mm, 15mm, etc. don't work, only 9.5mm.

Okay, so its just speculation that the hard drive industry won't move forward in getting smaller models out there (because of course they will). Good to know its not an imposed restriction.
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#18 clyde46
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="lx_theo"]The PS4 can have the internal harddrive upgraded. Its really more matter of preference on which method you prefer, no?lx_theo
You are limited to 1TB IIRC which is not enough for me.

So you're saying its confirmed that, by design, that the system can only use up to 1TB? Because its not like the harddrive industry is frozen still.

I remember reading somewhere that the system will not read anything more than 1TB. Let me see if I can find it.
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#19 mitu123
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This isn't really an issue. Delete the content off the hard drive and redownload it whenever you need it. Most people on Steam don't have their entire games library downloaded and installed on their hard drive. Nonstop-Madness
We should have an option to keep them on whenever you're in the mood to play them again, having to do the delete and redownload thing multiple times isn't always ideal.

Heck I would say most Steam users mainly have one hard drive, if they had 2-4 hard drives, they wouldn't delete so much, I know I wouldn't, lol.

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#20 Tessellation
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they will eventually allow it..it takes them a firmware update and done.
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Never owned one, not a big deal at all.
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#22 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Consternated"]


There's a 2TB 2.5" drive from Western Digital, unless it's a hardware restriction by the PS4, which would make no sense at all.

lx_theo

It has to be 9.5mm, any higher and it won't fit in the PS4.

12mm, 15mm, etc. don't work, only 9.5mm.

Okay, so its just speculation that the hard drive industry won't move forward in getting smaller models out there (because of course they will). Good to know its not an imposed restriction.

We better hope they have a 2TB hard drive sooner or later in 9.5mm then.

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[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]This isn't really an issue. Delete the content off the hard drive and redownload it whenever you need it. Most people on Steam don't have their entire games library downloaded and installed on their hard drive. mitu123

We should have an option to keep them on whenever you're in the mood to play them again, having to do the delete and redownload thing multiple times isn't always ideal.

Heck I would say most Steam users mainly have one hard drive, if they had 2-4 hard drives, they wouldn't delete so much, I know I wouldn't, lol.

I have an SSD boot drive and two WD Caviar Blacks in RAID0 for storage... I actually uninstalled most of the games from my library, so I didn't have them cluttering up the "installed" list when I wanted to play games :P I never really did that on my PS3, but I have around 550 Steam games that aren't installed, and around 80% of my total HDD space free haha.

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USB is slow as hell anyway.
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#25 lx_theo
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="clyde46"] You are limited to 1TB IIRC which is not enough for me.

So you're saying its confirmed that, by design, that the system can only use up to 1TB? Because its not like the harddrive industry is frozen still.

I remember reading somewhere that the system will not read anything more than 1TB. Let me see if I can find it.

I'd imagine the limitation would be a current one, simply because it requires a harddrive of a certain size. From my understanding, they haven't released harddrives with more room at the small enough size yet. A problem that should be a nonissue by the time 1TB is full up for most people.
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#26 mitu123
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USB is slow as hell anyway.killzowned24
Nope. Just get one with 5Gb/sec+ and you're set.

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#27 superclocked
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Really? 500GB aren't enough? I doubt that by the first 3-4 years the regular X1 & PS4 users will have filled them. And even then 1TB 2.5 HDD's are cheap now, meaning that in 3-4 years time the higher capacity versions (1.5TB, 2TB, etc) will have come down in price and it's also likely the SSD solutions (of similar capacity) will be available for the regular mortal at a decent price. (Crucial's 1TB SSD costs around 600$ now...)

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If games are 50GB a piece, a 500GB hard drive will only hold 10 games. A 2TB external hard drive costs less than $100. That's about the same price as a 1TB laptop drive...
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[QUOTE="killzowned24"]USB is slow as hell anyway.mitu123

Nope. Just get one with 5Gb/sec+ and you're set.

USB 3.0 is fine. I can record 1920x1080 FRAPS uncompressed to a USB 3.0 drive.
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Really? 500GB aren't enough? I doubt that by the first 3-4 years the regular X1 & PS4 users will have filled them. And even then 1TB 2.5 HDD's are cheap now, meaning that in 3-4 years time the higher capacity versions (1.5TB, 2TB, etc) will have come down in price and it's also likely the SSD solutions (of similar capacity) will be available for the regular mortal at a decent price. (Crucial's 1TB SSD costs around 600$ now...)

Edit: Even being limited to 9.5mm I still doubt  the 500GB-1TB won't be enough, especially if one buys most of his games on retail.

Desmonic

500GB will suck. I plan on getting 2 launch titles on retail and then going for the digital route in 2014 and beyond.

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Install wars!

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[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="lx_theo"] So you're saying its confirmed that, by design, that the system can only use up to 1TB? Because its not like the harddrive industry is frozen still.

I remember reading somewhere that the system will not read anything more than 1TB. Let me see if I can find it.

I'd imagine the limitation would be a current one, simply because it requires a harddrive of a certain size. From my understanding, they haven't released harddrives with more room at the small enough size yet. A problem that should be a nonissue by the time 1TB is full up for most people.

It may be a software thing. I know you need a UEFI BIOS on a PC to use a 3TB drive.
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[QUOTE="Trail_Mix"]

Wasn't it the same with the PS3?

mitu123

Yep, and that what sucked about the PS3, though the games weren't that big in size for the most part so 1TB is fine on PS3.

PS4 however with talks about games getting up to 50GB and such...

Ah, not a big deal for me then.

One could just make space by cleaning out every so often, or replace the hard drive itself.

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Not sure how much I give a damn. I'll delete most games after I beat them. The only games that will remain installed are any that are only bought via PSN, which will all be indie and relatively small.
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]USB is slow as hell anyway.clyde46

Nope. Just get one with 5Gb/sec+ and you're set.

USB 3.0 is fine. I can record 1920x1080 FRAPS uncompressed to a USB 3.0 drive.

For fraps that's quite an achievement with all the uncompression.:P

Hell I can play games on it and not even notice a difference between my main hard drive when it comes to performance.

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[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Really? 500GB aren't enough? I doubt that by the first 3-4 years the regular X1 & PS4 users will have filled them. And even then 1TB 2.5 HDD's are cheap now, meaning that in 3-4 years time the higher capacity versions (1.5TB, 2TB, etc) will have come down in price and it's also likely the SSD solutions (of similar capacity) will be available for the regular mortal at a decent price. (Crucial's 1TB SSD costs around 600$ now...)

Desmonic
If games are 50GB a piece, a 500GB hard drive will only hold 10 games. A 2TB external hard drive costs less than $100. That's about the same price as a 1TB laptop drive...

But that's just it, isn't it? IF. And it's a big if. Do we have any sort of solid data that can lead us to that conclusion or is it just speculation due to the size of games from the previous gen?

Its kinda obvious that games are not getting smaller.
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internal drives are cheaper anyways.

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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="clyde46"] I remember reading somewhere that the system will not read anything more than 1TB. Let me see if I can find it.

I'd imagine the limitation would be a current one, simply because it requires a harddrive of a certain size. From my understanding, they haven't released harddrives with more room at the small enough size yet. A problem that should be a nonissue by the time 1TB is full up for most people.

It may be a software thing. I know you need a UEFI BIOS on a PC to use a 3TB drive.

I'm quite doubtful of that. Given the other person who has been saying that over 1TB is not there has there reason being size, thats probably it. Given the nature of the industry, its likely just a matter of time before they;rte available.
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#39 mitu123
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Do you guys play a lot of multiplayer games? I doubt you would delete those quickly.:P

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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="mitu123"]Nope. Just get one with 5Gb/sec+ and you're set.

mitu123

USB 3.0 is fine. I can record 1920x1080 FRAPS uncompressed to a USB 3.0 drive.

For fraps that's quite an achievement with all the uncompression.:P

Hell I can play games on it and not even notice a difference between my main hard drive when it comes to performance.

On a sequential read and write with a 4K block you need to be hitting more than 110MB/s in both read and write.
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#42 edwardecl
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Stop moaning. The internal drive is replacable. 1TB is not enough for a few games... even if they are 50GB a piece you can get 5 - 10 with the system software and what not on it. Then you will have to delete the game data. Not that big a deal, wont the ps4 let you play while installing?

I can see why they don't allow external drives, it would need extra testing and there is always the possibility of something going wrong and people blaming Sony and wasting their time. You will still be able to use externals for music and videos I would presume.

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wut so ps4 use propetiery hardrive what if they jack the price like just vita memory card

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[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="lx_theo"] I'd imagine the limitation would be a current one, simply because it requires a harddrive of a certain size. From my understanding, they haven't released harddrives with more room at the small enough size yet. A problem that should be a nonissue by the time 1TB is full up for most people.

It may be a software thing. I know you need a UEFI BIOS on a PC to use a 3TB drive.

I'm quite doubtful of that. Given the other person who has been saying that over 1TB is not there has there reason being size, thats probably it. Given the nature of the industry, its likely just a matter of time before they;rte available.

The drivers are around, that I'm have no trouble believing but I'm skeptical about the software limits. The PS3 IIRC was limited to 1TB in size.
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#46 mitu123
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internal drives are cheaper anyways.

osirisx3

You can get 1TB external hard drives for 70 some bucks on amazon...

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wut so ps4 use propetiery hardrive what if they jack the price like just vita memory card

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no

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#48 clyde46
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internal drives are cheaper anyways.

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Thats because you aren't paying for the caddy.
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#49 clyde46
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[QUOTE="osirisx3"]

internal drives are cheaper anyways.

mitu123

You can get 1TB external hard drives for 70 some bucks on amazon...

I remember the days when I bought 1TB Samsung F3's for less than the price of a console game.
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#50 lostrib
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[QUOTE="osirisx3"]

internal drives are cheaper anyways.

mitu123

You can get 1TB external hard drives for 70 some bucks on amazon...

If you replaced the internal, is it possible to clone the data and migrate it to a new drive?