PSP2 to have a 4 core cell processor

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#51 Pelon208
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[QUOTE="Pelon208"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Oh Lord... IT'S MOVING! IT'S MOVING!charizard1605

Gaming will come so real that you will feel the pain in the GOW for the PSP2

I wonder what'll happen if/when I engage in certain... er hem... minigames in GoW.

:lol: we will see

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[QUOTE="Pelon208"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Pelon208"]

Gaming will come so real that you will feel the pain in the GOW for the PSP2

I wonder what'll happen if/when I engage in certain... er hem... minigames in GoW.

:lol: we will see

We will indeed. Or will we... 'feel?' Okay, I should stop :P
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lol, 4 cores on a device barely bigger then an Ipod. If anyone had a semblence of common sense they would realize thats completely ridiculous. Unless of course Sony got their hands on some future tech aka Terminator style.

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cell is only 1 core with spu's, which is what most people confuse with physical cores... so a Cell BE with 4 spu's would be very managable
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#54 racing1750
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I would love to know the battery life :P
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#55 siddhu33
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I would love to know the battery life :Pracing1750

You need one of these to bring with you:

Still portable. Just......Not so portable.

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#56 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Still portable. Just......Not so portable.siddhu33
That right there is the PSP in a nutshell.
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#57 Pelon208
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

lol, 4 cores on a device barely bigger then an Ipod. If anyone had a semblence of common sense they would realize thats completely ridiculous. Unless of course Sony got their hands on some future tech aka Terminator style.

ktrotter11

cell is only 1 core with spu's, which is what most people confuse with physical cores... so a Cell BE with 4 spu's would be very managable

And it will be like.. i don't know... 30nm??

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#58 djsifer01
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ps3 doesnt have a 8 core processor neither will psp have a 4 core one. get your facts straightSamiRDuran
The PS3 sure dose have a 8 core processor. The 8th SPE is not in use though. That would be a pretty powerfull PSP and awesome if true.
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#59 Pelon208
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[QUOTE="siddhu33"]Still portable. Just......Not so portable.charizard1605
That right there is the PSP in a nutshell.

Remember that we are in a green "era" now, so this is what you are going to need

Those are the PSP 2 designers.

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#60 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Wouldn't they break easily though? Oh wait. Since when has Sony ever cared about that?

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#61 siddhu33
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="siddhu33"]Still portable. Just......Not so portable.Pelon208

That right there is the PSP in a nutshell.

Remember that we are in a green "era" now, so this is what you are going to need

Those are the PSP 2 designers.

You know that solar panels don't work at night, or give that much electricity in the day, don't you? If you really want a "green" solution, you need one of these:

Keep Cycling lady! You'll have enough power for the PSP 2 soon enough! (i.e. when GT5 comes out)

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#62 donalbane
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And a full 10 minutes of battery life? :?musicalmac
Maybe you can buy a solar panel lined umbrella peripheral. You know, for gaming 'on the go'.
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]And a full 10 minutes of battery life? :?donalbane
Maybe you can buy a solar panel lined umbrella peripheral. You know, for gaming 'on the go'.

It will only be worth it in the UK then. Seeing how much rain we have, we'll have solar power all the time!

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#64 Pelon208
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[QUOTE="Pelon208"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] That right there is the PSP in a nutshell.siddhu33

Remember that we are in a green "era" now, so this is what you are going to need

Those are the PSP 2 designers.

You know that solar panels don't work at night, or give that much electricity in the day, don't you? If you really want a "green" solution, you need one of these:

Keep Cycling lady! You'll have enough power for the PSP 2 soon enough! (i.e. when GT5 comes out)

:lol: good one

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#65 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Do you think *gasp* that GT5 could be a PSP 2 game???
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if it actually works out, then the 360 just got owned by a portable. :lol:

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#67 Wings_008
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if so the PSP 2 will fail
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#68 siddhu33
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Do you think *gasp* that GT5 could be a PSP 2 game???charizard1605

To be honest, I have reservations that it will be a PS3 game first. PSP2 GT5? Yeah, that will stop when British Airways stop striking, and when DFS stop having sales (People from the UK will get what I mean here).

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#69 mayceV
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pretty sure MS would be like "LOL look at that battery life! 400$ when will our competitors learn" Then someone would swing by the window on a vine screaming "when your hardrive prices don't rival gold!"
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#70 treedoor
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That would be cool right, i mean the PS3 has a 8 core cell processor, so it will have half the processing power of the PS3, for a handheld its not bad.

Thoughts??

Pelon208

First off, that's not how it works at all.

And considering this is just a rumor then I'm betting it's entirely false. As far as I know people seem to like when the battery life of their handheld devices lasts a day or two. If Sony beefs it up too much it'll be that much more unappealing for those people.

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#71 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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So can we assume this thread has gone offtopic, then?
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And a full 10 minutes of battery life? :?musicalmac
and to cost atleast $350?
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#73 muscleserge
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You could theoretically stick 4 PSP 1 CPUs on a dies. PSP CPU on a 90nm precess, by going to 32nm 3 or 4 cores is possible, but I fail to see the benefit. They should just get the CPU from the Nexus 1 with Nvidia tegra, and at least 256mb or ram, keeping the resolution the same. That would be enough for a gaming device.
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#74 Timbury
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Do you think *gasp* that GT5 could be a PSP 2 game???siddhu33

To be honest, I have reservations that it will be a PS3 game first. PSP2 GT5? Yeah, that will stop when British Airways stop striking, and when DFS stop having sales (People from the UK will get what I mean here).

Yeah especially the DFS sales 'all year round sale' :D
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]And a full 10 minutes of battery life? :?Shinobishyguy
and to cost atleast $350?

Nope. They will go for the full monty: $599.

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#76 oajlu
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And a full 10 minutes of battery life? :?musicalmac

it's not intel core quad processor...and they make it for handheld device, so dont worry about power consumption.

in fact, they already have dual processor on high end canon dslr , so quadcore processor is possible.

of coruse, it's not as fast as a pc cpu.

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Seriously, the PSP is in every sense of the word, a failure. In and of itself, it's not, 60 million is very impressive, but heck, we don't ever evaluate anything in isolation, and the PSP, going by context and the prevailing market conditions, is an utter failure.charizard1605

You can make that argument in the context of how fanboys think, with races, one best platform, epic wins, floppage, pwnage, ect. Companies don't think that way. They think in terms of profit. The PSP has sold over 63 million units, and they've made a tidy profit on every unit sold. They've sold over 250 million games for the platform, and received liscencing fees on each one. Considering Sony's financial shortfall with the PS3, I'd imagine they're happy about - if not satisfied with - with the install base of their first foray into the handheld market.

The argument that the Wii's sales rate translates into a failure for the PSP is silly. Are you saying that every other game console ever sold, with the exception of the DS, is also "an utter failure"? The iPhone/iPod Touch platform has outsold the Wii in even less time. Does that make the Wii "an utter failure"? Of course not. You can't judge market position in a vacuum. But the idea that everything selling slower than the leader has failed just isn't true.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Seriously, the PSP is in every sense of the word, a failure. In and of itself, it's not, 60 million is very impressive, but heck, we don't ever evaluate anything in isolation, and the PSP, going by context and the prevailing market conditions, is an utter failure.santoron

You can make that argument in the context of how fanboys think, with races, one best platform, epic wins, floppage, pwnage, ect. Companies don't think that way. They think in terms of profit. The PSP has sold over 63 million units, and they've made a tidy profit on every unit sold. They've sold over 250 million games for the platform, and received liscencing fees on each one. Considering Sony's financial shortfall with the PS3, I'd imagine they're happy about - if not satisfied with - with the install base of their first foray into the handheld market.

The argument that the Wii's sales rate translates into a failure for the PSP is silly. Are you saying that every other game console ever sold, with the exception of the DS, is also "an utter failure"? The iPhone/iPod Touch platform has outsold the Wii in even less time. Does that make the Wii "an utter failure"? Of course not. You can't judge market position in a vacuum. But the idea that everything selling slower than the leader has failed just isn't true.

But if you'll see, I did not just say that the rate of Wii's sales make the PSP a failure. I cited many reasons, the Wii sales rate was just an initial point I made to reinforce my 'static figure' arguement. I listed out poor software sales, weak games lineup, dwindling third party support, compromised media capabilities, poor hardware sales (and they're poor, IN CONTEXT. Which is what you must always look at), the failure of UMD, PSP Go, poor battery life, not really portable etc as factors that make the PSP a failure.
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#79 Pelon208
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[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Seriously, the PSP is in every sense of the word, a failure. In and of itself, it's not, 60 million is very impressive, but heck, we don't ever evaluate anything in isolation, and the PSP, going by context and the prevailing market conditions, is an utter failure.charizard1605

You can make that argument in the context of how fanboys think, with races, one best platform, epic wins, floppage, pwnage, ect. Companies don't think that way. They think in terms of profit. The PSP has sold over 63 million units, and they've made a tidy profit on every unit sold. They've sold over 250 million games for the platform, and received liscencing fees on each one. Considering Sony's financial shortfall with the PS3, I'd imagine they're happy about - if not satisfied with - with the install base of their first foray into the handheld market.

The argument that the Wii's sales rate translates into a failure for the PSP is silly. Are you saying that every other game console ever sold, with the exception of the DS, is also "an utter failure"? The iPhone/iPod Touch platform has outsold the Wii in even less time. Does that make the Wii "an utter failure"? Of course not. You can't judge market position in a vacuum. But the idea that everything selling slower than the leader has failed just isn't true.

But if you'll see, I did not just say that the rate of Wii's sales make the PSP a failure. I cited many reasons, the Wii sales rate was just an initial point I made to reinforce my 'static figure' arguement. I listed out poor software sales, weak games lineup, dwindling third party support, compromised media capabilities, poor hardware sales (and they're poor, IN CONTEXT. Which is what you must always look at), the failure of UMD, PSP Go, poor battery life, not really portable etc as factors that make the PSP a failure.

Come on Charizard compared to the Wii everyhting its a failure.

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Yeah, but I did NOT compare the PSP to the Wii. I only compared the rate of sales of both the systems to demonstrate my point about static and dynamic figures. A console, for instance, may sell 60 million units over 10 years, but that hardly makes the console successful, does it? That was the distinction I was trying to make.
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lol, 4 cores on a device barely bigger then an Ipod. If anyone had a semblence of common sense they would realize thats completely ridiculous. Unless of course Sony got their hands on some future tech aka Terminator style.

ktrotter11

cell is only 1 core with spu's, which is what most people confuse with physical cores... so a Cell BE with 4 spu's would be very managable

I understand that but people actually think it is going to have 4 actual cores.

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ps3 doesnt have a 8 core processor neither will psp have a 4 core one. get your facts straightSamiRDuran
the cell in the ps3 has 8 SPE's.....only 7 are used
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And a full 10 minutes of battery life? :?musicalmac

Depends on the manufacturing process used.

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[QUOTE="ktrotter11"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

lol, 4 cores on a device barely bigger then an Ipod. If anyone had a semblence of common sense they would realize thats completely ridiculous. Unless of course Sony got their hands on some future tech aka Terminator style.

Fizzman

cell is only 1 core with spu's, which is what most people confuse with physical cores... so a Cell BE with 4 spu's would be very managable

I understand that but people actually think it is going to have 4 actual cores.

I feel in 2006 again

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I feel in 2006 againPelon208
And it's.... RIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAACERRRR!
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#86 Pelon208
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[QUOTE="Pelon208"]I feel in 2006 againcharizard1605
And it's.... RIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAACERRRR!

Now you remain me of the worst E3 i can remember for sony :lol:

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Pelon208"]I feel in 2006 againPelon208

And it's.... RIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAACERRRR!

Now you remain me of the worst E3 i can remember for sony :lol:

Was it worse than Nintendo's 2008 though?
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Sgh, this is so not going to work. Sony, has the failure of the PSP taught you NOTHING?RavenLoud
Actually, I think the main reason they are adapting this architecture is to mimic the anti piracy measures on the PS3, which uses SPEs to encrypt and decrypt everything, making it extremely time consuming to hack. I'm sure that the rampant piracy on the PSP has left Sony in the shock for quite a while. Still, IGNorance is not to be trusted, especially when they are calling the Cell an "8 core processor" :lol:
It's probably not too difficult if designed well enough. Now this is just an educated guess but they could just use a quad core with a low clock, perhaps running at 250-333 Mhz each. this will keep temps low and processing power 4 times greater than the PSP. Add a small fan in the design and they're good.Zero_epyon
Genius :shock: Sony should hire you ASAP :P

I sense great sarcasm there. Sign...that's what i get i guess.
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[QUOTE="Pelon208"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] And it's.... RIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAACERRRR!charizard1605

Now you remain me of the worst E3 i can remember for sony :lol:

Was it worse than Nintendo's 2008 though?

they had an E3 in the last 2 years? :P

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#90 revofanboy2005
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I cant believe Sony STILL refuses to learn its lesson. Stuff bleeding edge tech into a new system and the price of manufacturing it skyrockets, which almost guarantees low sales due to sticker shock. The PS3 is a prime example. I don't think I need to remind anyone of their E3 2006 press conference, during which they announced the PS3's astronomical price to a stunned (silent) audience. Whats wrong with optimizing cost effective, current tech like nintendo is doing with the Tegra (2?) in the 3DS (I know its in there). It's powerful, yet not horribly expensive. This chip is overkill if its as beefy as advertised, and is sure to drive the psp2's price up to at least 250-300, which I am WHOLLY unwilling to pay for a handheld.

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#91 Pelon208
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[QUOTE="Pelon208"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] And it's.... RIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAACERRRR!charizard1605

Now you remain me of the worst E3 i can remember for sony :lol:

Was it worse than Nintendo's 2008 though?

Thats impossible, dude hahahaha

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So essentially, it will be like the PSP was to the PS; more powerful, but not as powerful as the PS2, or in this case, more powerful than the PS2 but not as powerful as the PS3. And any Cell brand processor does not have "cores" but "PPEs" which are different. And I don't doubt battery life will be an issue... but given the state of modern batteries, I don't see how power consumption monitoring could alleviate it.

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[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]And a full 10 minutes of battery life? :?musicalmac
Optomisation. My laptop has a Core 2 Duo CPU. It is much more powerful than a Pentium 4 inside a desktop, yet it takes a fraction of the electricity.

IBM hasn't been one to make the most efficient processors. They were never going to make a portable PowerPC chip, which is why Apple went with Intel. I would be very surprised to see a "Cell" processor operating so efficiently as to work well in a small handheld. That being said- didn't IBM stop investing in this particular direction with their internal processors?.. I is a confused.

More like it's no longer their primary focus. Any cell-like features will more likely be rolled into their POWER line as auxiliary units.
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#94 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]And a full 10 minutes of battery life? :?Arach666

That´s probably being optimistic...

I don't think Sony is that stupid. :?
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]And a full 10 minutes of battery life? :?Pelon208

CPU power draw is nowhere close to GPU.

Example: Top of the line Core i7s have 140W draw. GTX 480 has an average power consumption of 362.9 in a benchmark at Tom's Hardware.

Ok so a GTX480 consumes more than twice the power of an i7??

Actually, pretty close. Why else does the board need that 150W PCI Express connnector (on top of the the 75W provided by the slot)? The TDP (max wattage) for a Core i7 is a mere 130W.
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#96 Pelon208
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[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]And a full 10 minutes of battery life? :?Rikusaki

That´s probably being optimistic...

I don't think Sony is that stupid. :?

Me either, actually i hope this is true, i cell PSP sounds cool.

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#97 Pelon208
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[QUOTE="Pelon208"]

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

CPU power draw is nowhere close to GPU.

Example: Top of the line Core i7s have 140W draw. GTX 480 has an average power consumption of 362.9 in a benchmark at Tom's Hardware.

HuusAsking

Ok so a GTX480 consumes more than twice the power of an i7??

Actually, pretty close. Why else does the board need that 150W PCI Express connnector (on top of the the 75W provided by the slot)? The TDP (max wattage) for a Core i7 is a mere 130W.

Wow thats really interesting.

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#98 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Seriously, the PSP is in every sense of the word, a failure. In and of itself, it's not, 60 million is very impressive, but heck, we don't ever evaluate anything in isolation, and the PSP, going by context and the prevailing market conditions, is an utter failure.charizard1605

You can make that argument in the context of how fanboys think, with races, one best platform, epic wins, floppage, pwnage, ect. Companies don't think that way. They think in terms of profit. The PSP has sold over 63 million units, and they've made a tidy profit on every unit sold. They've sold over 250 million games for the platform, and received liscencing fees on each one. Considering Sony's financial shortfall with the PS3, I'd imagine they're happy about - if not satisfied with - with the install base of their first foray into the handheld market.

The argument that the Wii's sales rate translates into a failure for the PSP is silly. Are you saying that every other game console ever sold, with the exception of the DS, is also "an utter failure"? The iPhone/iPod Touch platform has outsold the Wii in even less time. Does that make the Wii "an utter failure"? Of course not. You can't judge market position in a vacuum. But the idea that everything selling slower than the leader has failed just isn't true.

But if you'll see, I did not just say that the rate of Wii's sales make the PSP a failure. I cited many reasons, the Wii sales rate was just an initial point I made to reinforce my 'static figure' arguement. I listed out poor software sales, weak games lineup, dwindling third party support, compromised media capabilities, poor hardware sales (and they're poor, IN CONTEXT. Which is what you must always look at), the failure of UMD, PSP Go, poor battery life, not really portable etc as factors that make the PSP a failure.

But it's the wrong context. Sony has to look at the bottom line (since they're publicly traded--have to answer to the investors). Sure the PSP is not as great as they want, but is it in the black? Heck yeah. So it's a money maker, so the investors aren't throwing hissyfits over it. So Sony shrugs and looks for something else to worry about (like the PS3).
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#99 Martin_G_N
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Was'nt there rumours some months back, about the PSP2 having a Quad core GPU? I doubt it will have a powerfull GPU and a CPU, if we look at Sony's past, the CPU will probably be the most powerfull component in the PSP2.

And I don't think it's a problem for them making a quad core processor (being it a Cell or a normal quad core CPU) in a handheld, it will depend on what type of chipset technology they will use, and the clocking of the cores and memory.

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#100 Ravenlore_basic
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lol, 4 cores on a device barely bigger then an Ipod. If anyone had a semblence of common sense they would realize thats completely ridiculous. Unless of course Sony got their hands on some future tech aka Terminator style.

Fizzman

this is nothing cheek out and this is on a phone.http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra_250.html others

SO to say that a devie can't take someting as advanced as the Cell is just wrong. a 4 core Cell at 32nm SOI is not a difficult feat. BUT Cell is old tech. They could use the updated redesigned Powerxcell http://www.t-platforms.ru/en/tcell/processor/specification.html