"Graphics don't matter" is the new cliche phrase of the year...

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#1 colmusterd28
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art. 

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

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#2 mangobear
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prepare to be flamed by bitter sheep, you shallow gamer you 8)
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#3 foxhound_fox
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The only people that say graphics do not matter are fanboys. Of course graphics matter... but they do not have to be photorealistic to be good.
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#4 Sensui1986
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A mario game with awesome graphics will never sell. Some kind of games do need the graphics, some kind of games don't. It all depends on the game. And great graphics don't make a game good, but they do make it better.
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#5 t2wave
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Okay.
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#6 hyruledweller
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Graphics matter but when fanboy see a game with average graphics and say it wil flop, that annoys me, or if a game has brilliant graphics, it will automatically be good.
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#7 FFKi11er
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play zelda for more then an hour. 
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#8 HeedleGlavin
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Hardly anyone says "graphics don't matter". :roll: Alot of people say that "graphics don't matter as much as gameplay" - which is a true statement.
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#9 deadmeat59
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for me its 70% game play 30% graphics
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#10 farnham
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cows said the same when the PS2 was winning last gen
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#11 deactivated-5967f36c08c33
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Graphics matter,but not as much as gameplay.A game doesn't have to be photo realistic to immerse you.
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#12 BigDizz
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Yea, and WoW has become so popular because of it's amzing grahpics :roll:

You play games that are fun not pretty.

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#13 peaceful_anger
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I've never said graphics don't matter because they do. I just think gameplay>graphics. And it irritates me to no end when people pass up on a game or says it sucks because the graphics aren't as jaw dropping as Gears of War or Mass Effect.
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#14 p3nrril
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"Rumble is last gen" is the new cliche phrase of the year...

Fixed :wink:
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#15 ssbfalco
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Graphics don't matter is clearly an incorrect statement.. The better statement, which I follow is that "graphics don't matter as much"... Let's take a real life example, say, whenever I play console games with friends in spare rooms at school... You see, I'll be willing to play some games that have great graphics on some crappy projectors, and still get 100% of the fun out of them, despite looking like crap... However, whenever we can get to the rooms with the decent projectors, those are always our first choice... Whether we play Gears of War, Smash Bros, Contra, Wii Sports, etc... Despite being somewhat of a graphics whore, I don't mind less than top notch graphics... Heck, as long as the game has a clean look to it, I'm more than fine... Katamari Damacy is still an amazing game, despite it's crappy lookingismness... Basically, I can jump from Fear maxed at beyond HD resolutions, to Advance Wars DS, or any Super Robot Wars game released for any console with no problem...
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#16 MaTT2011
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art.

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28
Ignorance is an amazing thing; it can allow you to enjoy simple, common, things but it denies you from ever seeing the beauty in all things.....not just the visual. We should talk about ignorance here one day.....but on to the subject at hand. People always strawman the gameplay >>>>> graphics movement as saying "graphics dont matter" when in reality its "Graphics dont matter as much as gameplay, especially compared to gameplay" Of course its easier for you to make up an enemy "graphics dont matter" and then attack it because, well, you simply cant argue based on logic or reason (you cant because you havent, if you coulda you woulda). So you resort to inventing enemies in your mind and then battling them in public saying, "See! They are t3h suk! i am the ultimate r0xxorz!" or something just as ignorant and hilarious. shall i continue? Or should i put my lead pipe of ownage back in its bag and call it a day>?
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#17 AntiType
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art.

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28

If what you said is true... then X-Box would have won last gen...

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#18 immortality20
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Graphics are very important. But thats not to say art style isn't. If you make a game good to look at with nice art style aka Okami, you'll be happy.

All in all, no one would want to go back to pac man days.

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#19 foxhound_fox
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I've never said graphics don't matter because they do. I just think gameplay>graphics. And it irritates me to no end when people pass up on a game or says it sucks because the graphics aren't as jaw dropping as Gears of War or Mass Effect.peaceful_anger


Thing about Mass Effect for me is... I want to play it because the gameplay is compelling and the whole idea behind the game is unique and new. The fact the game has amazing graphics really means nothing to me. It is just icing on the cake.
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#20 shoeman12
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art.

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28


if graphics sell consoles, then why did the ps2 sell the most last gen?
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#21 DS_fan_atic
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something>something>something etc. is my least favourite phrase here...
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#22 herozs
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Yea, and WoW has become so popular because of it's amzing grahpics :roll:

You play games that are fun not pretty.

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true that
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#23 tocool340
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The only people that say graphics do not matter are fanboys. Of course graphics matter... but they do not have to be photorealistic to be good.foxhound_fox
Exactly my definition of Graphics don't matter. At this point, the graphics of games will get too lifelike. Then what will they do since the graphics can't go no further? We would be stuck playing the same game over and over again with no new concept to the gameplay? Glad Nintendo decided to take their own path.......
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#24 Caviglia
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I beg to differ: http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25311906

At least give us the reasoning behind your statement.

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#25 gsx1100
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art. 

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28
Last gen the sheeps where all saying "sales dont matter". How things have changed.
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#26 way2funny
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art.

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28


Graphics DONT matter

I say this, and i have a top of the line PC. Sure if the graphics are nice that would be cool, but if its a game i dislike playing, i wont play it no matter what.
I probably play the most crappiest (other than the original cs), in terms of graphics, FPS still played. America's Army. Why? Cause I like it, I like the tactics involved in the mutliplayer game, I like the realism. You can see, ive been playing americas army for over 2 years and im still playing it.
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#27 project343
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Gameplay > Style > Story > Graphics > Sound > Value, IMO.
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#29 colmusterd28
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play zelda for more then an hour. FFKi11er


I've been playing Zelda since the day it came out on the NES... Whats that have to do with anything... I love Zelda...and it has great graphics....
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#30 way2funny
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[QUOTE="FFKi11er"]play zelda for more then an hour. colmusterd28


I've been playing Zelda since the day it came out on the NES... Whats that have to do with anything... I love Zelda...and it has great graphics....



i think he means TP, since it is a technically bad game, but the art forbidden>
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#31 kukukuk
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:)
And the graphics don't matter as much as gameplay, but the graphics are still important in improving the game's atmosphere. Not even sheep would still play games with pong graphics if they had the Xbox 360 and PS3 as an option.
Actually, if Nintendo were making games for it, and it was affordable, I would buy it because the games would still be great. *backspace won't work.*
I retract everything I said up until "as an option".
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#32 colmusterd28
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:)
And the graphics don't matter as much as gameplay, but the graphics are still important in improving the game's atmosphere. Not even sheep would still play games with pong graphics if they had the Xbox 360 and PS3 as an option.
Actually, if Nintendo were making games for it, and it was affordable, I would buy it because the games would still be great. *backspace won't work.*
I retract everything I said up until "as an option".
kukukuk


Sheep are silly
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#34 Spartan_7008
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To the topic poster, I completely agree with you, Graphics are important, however the point made is that Graphics do not make the game and other ascpects of video games are just as important, such as Casablanca bieng a old and blurry movie yet I doubt many would say a truly crisp and beautiful looking blu-ray Stranger Than Fiction is a better movie.
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#35 Roushrsh
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think of it this way
if u say graphics matter, people automaticly think your a PS3 or xbox 360 fan boy
if you say graphics dont matter people think your a Wii fanboy
Its jusst best to shut up
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#36 fitzokoli
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I'll play GoW 2 on PS2 anyday, anytime and its on the weakest console last gen....I personally fink presentation is more important than graphics...Presentation=/= graphics.
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#37 Magical_Zebra
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art.

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28
Graphics dont matter when the 360 beats out the PS3. Thats when the cows state that graphics dont matter. :shock:
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#38 Hewkii
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"Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap"

So true :lol: I think it's a cliche nowadays. they also love to use the word "graphic whores" but they dont even know the right definition of one

flamingschmoes2
I haven't seen the term "Graphics Whore" in a long time...
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#39 NATATO
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Well, if you take gamespot's rating system:

(Gameplay = Tilt) > (Value = Graphics) > Sound

Gameplay and Tilt being twice as important as graphics.

Gamespot favors gameplay more, but graphics still matter.

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#40 DA_B0MB
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The only people that say graphics do not matter are fanboys. Of course graphics matter... but they do not have to be photorealistic to be good.foxhound_fox
Exactly.
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#41 Killermonkey97
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art. 

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28
Whoa...ouch. Totally uncalled for; got punned, despite awesome console...
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#42 Akuma88
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What ever happened to the good old 2D gaming days were people only talked about if a game was fun or not instead of talking about how photorealistic the graphics are?
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#43 Quofan
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Nobody says graphics dont matter, but they are nothing compared to gameplay - otherwise thousands of people wouldn't still play old games on emulators or older consoles.

Less photorealism doesnt mean its not pretty. Super Mario World is still a graphically wonderful games, and that was made 15 years ago. And Less power doesnt mean its not still enjoyable, otherwise I wouldnt enjoy Ogre Battle on the SNES etc. over 10 years after their release.

Its like saying KISS Pinball must be better than Manic Miner just because KISS Pinball has 3D graphics :roll:

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#44 gnutux
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I'll just paraphrase CliffyB from Epic Games: Graphics are just as important as the gameplay. Next-gen graphics is the gateway to next-gen gaming, next-gen gameplay is just on the other side of the gate. gnutux
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#45 sparklebarkle
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The cliche of the year is when people think that sheep say 'graphics don't matter.' It's graphics aren't as important as gameplay. Get it right.
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#46 raichu7
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You don't need a powerfull system to make nice graphics and you don't need nice graphics to have fun. After the the 360 and PS3 get there nice looking games out and a lot of them, people will get use to those types of graphics that knowone is going to care that much of HD photorealistic graphics because it's common already, so they are going to look for other ways they could have fun. Just like the PS2 and Xbox and Gamecube, everyone got use to their graphics and knowone cared any more, peole just cared about the gameplay.
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#47 haziqonfire
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Thing is, graphics DO matter, but to a certain extent.
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#48 Tristam22
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[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art.

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

MaTT2011
Ignorance is an amazing thing; it can allow you to enjoy simple, common, things but it denies you from ever seeing the beauty in all things.....not just the visual. We should talk about ignorance here one day.....but on to the subject at hand. People always strawman the gameplay >>>>> graphics movement as saying "graphics dont matter" when in reality its "Graphics dont matter as much as gameplay, especially compared to gameplay" Of course its easier for you to make up an enemy "graphics dont matter" and then attack it because, well, you simply cant argue based on logic or reason (you cant because you havent, if you coulda you woulda). So you resort to inventing enemies in your mind and then battling them in public saying, "See! They are t3h suk! i am the ultimate r0xxorz!" or something just as ignorant and hilarious. shall i continue? Or should i put my lead pipe of ownage back in its bag and call it a day>?

Poetry.
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#49 mwa
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I'm so tired of hearing it over and over... Please stop trying to impress us with your "I see games for their inner beauty" crap... Graphics mean as much to us as they always have... they sell consoles, they immerse the gamer, they are everybit as important as anything else in a game...They're art.

Its not my fault you bought a wii....

colmusterd28

the only time people say graphics don't matter is when they're doing damage control
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#50 Cassius128
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who exactly are you talking to? ive never seen any one make the statement that graphics don't matter.