"Lair cannot be done on 360" - Discuss

I own all consoles but i still await a game that has:

-Multiple DIFFERENT enemies on screen.

-Drawback distance of 1km.

**Lair is the first one to archieve this IMO. With different and loads of enemies on screen, each with different programed AI. (Ice dragons, Rhinoes, thousand of soldiers, and a colossus on one screen, each programed with different AI).

**Draw back distance without objects not randomly popping up  like 360's Saints Row and Oblivion. i dont see anything like thiss in Lair, where objects just randomly

I havnt seen a 360 game do this yet.

Discuss

"Viva Pinata can not be done on PS3"

 Too heavy a demand on parallax mapping.  You'll never see a game like that on the PS3.  Ever.

wanna discuss that too?  every system has pros and cons.  move on.

1 km draw distance, check Halo 3.

Lair's background is empty. 

without Unreal Engine 3, X360 games would look like crap.xxThyLordxx

just like DMC4 couldn't be done right?

and how Factor5 said it's easier to port from ps3 to 360 because the 360 is more flexible.

without Unreal Engine 3, X360 games would look like crap.xxThyLordxx

without ridiculously short-sighted observations, system wars would actually stop trying to drop my IQ :|

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]without Unreal Engine 3, X360 games would look like crap.JediMoogle

I approve of this ownage.  it's sad that ownage is such low-hanging fruit (easy to pluck) these days.  it used to be harder to own people. :(

without Unreal Engine 3, X360 games would look like crap.xxThyLordxx

Check halo 3, Alan Wake, Dead Or alive, Capcom Games 

just like DMC4 couldn't be done right?

and how Factor5 said it's easier to port from ps3 to 360 because the 360 is more flexible.

 

Ontain

who said DMC4 couldn't be done on 360? if you haven't looked at the screens, the game doesn't look all that impressive (graphics wise). GS even said it was not meeting next-gen standards for graphics on one of their hands-on. 

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]without Unreal Engine 3, X360 games would look like crap.acekall

Check halo 3, Alan Wake, Dead Or alive, Capcom Games

Yep. Especially check out Ninja Gaiden 2 when it comes out for the 360. How awfukl that will look! :lol: 

Who cares what you see on the screen? What matters is how much fun you have.JediMoogle

But that's a different question.  

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]without Unreal Engine 3, X360 games would look like crap.acekall

Check halo 3, Alan Wake, Dead Or alive, Capcom Games 

EA games, FROM games, hell...everyone's games. :|

[QUOTE="JediMoogle"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]without Unreal Engine 3, X360 games would look like crap.Dreams-Visions

I approve of this ownage.  it's sad that ownage is such low-hanging fruit (easy to pluck) these days.  it used to be harder to own people. :(

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]without Unreal Engine 3, X360 games would look like crap.JediMoogle

1 km draw distance, check Halo 3.

Lair's background is empty.

acekall

link
 

yeah, totally barren.

I like to see the link where it was stated that lair can't be done on the 360 instead of your own opinionnoIinteam

check out the episode on IGN with the new TooHuman,Lair, and Chrome Wii episode.

Lair supports native full HD 1080p graphics and 7.1 uncompressed audio [1] and also takes advantage of the following technologies:

• Progressive Mesh is a technique rendered by the Cell microprocessor, which allows for an intensive amount of detail to be placed upon vast number of objects, both up-close and far away.
• High-Dynamic Range Lighting: All of the lights, shadows, reflections, and highlights in Lair are in HDR, and are rendered in real-time by the Cell and RSX, thus allowing the lighting scheme to completely change, just like the time of day does in-game, however, due to the advanced programming of the lighting system, it will be ever-changing, and rarely, if ever the same twice.
• Real-time Dynamic Physics: Every second of gameplay, Lair renders hundreds of physics effects on everything from your dragon, down to the cloak on an enemy soldier. All enemies and allies have their own physics-driven animations, and have individually programmed ragdolls.
• Real-time Fluid Dynamics: All of the water effects in Lair, such as waves, are run by real-time fluid dynamics on the Cell.
• Parallax Shaders: Parallax shaders are used on almost every object in Lair, including fire and clouds.
• Real-Time Renderings/Volumetric Effects: The fire in Lair is rendered in real-time, and has its own physics. All of the clouds, smoke, and fog effects are volumetric. Lava, rain, wind, fur, and more are also rendered in real-time.
  
  
  http://www.answers.com/topic/lair-game
  /xbox360
  Still in alpha XD

without Unreal Engine 3, X360 games would look like crap.xxThyLordxx

ROTFL!!!! Man, I honestly hope you're kidding. If you remove the engine for ANY game on ANY system, the games won;t run.. ROTFL!!! That's like saying "If it wasn;t for the unreal engine then UT3 would look like crap on the PS3".. ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!! ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!! ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

just like DMC4 couldn't be done right?

and how Factor5 said it's easier to port from ps3 to 360 because the 360 is more flexible.

 

Koalakommander

who said DMC4 couldn't be done on 360? if you haven't looked at the screens, the game doesn't look all that impressive (graphics wise). GS even said it was not meeting next-gen standards for graphics on one of their hands-on. 

Did you even read the hands on? back at TGS, they thought that DMC was actually a God OF War Title, that the right analogue was used to roll the character. None of the DMC games had the right analogue as role :? I rather check out 1UP,IGN, and GT hands on, they know what they are on about.

[QUOTE="noIinteam"]I like to see the link where it was stated that lair can't be done on the 360 instead of your own opinionRazMaTaz-1

check out the episode on IGN with the new TooHuman,Lair, and Chrome Wii episode.

any game can be redone on another platform.  it's simply a function of what compromises your going to make and from where.  Bungie will say the same about Halo 3.  Bioware will say the same of Mass Effect.  It's a half-truth.  A game can't be done on that other piece of hardware...but if they finished the sentence, it would read like this:

"_______ game can't be done on ________ hardware [without making some changes]." 

It can be done.  Anything else that's said is just a dev trying to sell their product.

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

[QUOTE="noIinteam"]I like to see the link where it was stated that lair can't be done on the 360 instead of your own opinionDreams-Visions

check out the episode on IGN with the new TooHuman,Lair, and Chrome Wii episode.

any game can be redone on another platform. it's simply a function of what compromises your going to make and from where. Bungie will say the same about Halo 3. Bioware will say the same of Mass Effect. It's a half-truth. A game can't be done on that other piece of hardware...but if they finished the sentence, it would read like this:

"_______ game can't be done on ________ hardware [without making some changes]."

It can be done. Anything else that's said is just a dev trying to sell their product.

1 km draw distance, check Halo 3.

Lair's background is empty. 

acekall

A halo 2 vamped engine running on a next gen console? its pretty obvious it will have a large range.

[QUOTE="acekall"]

1 km draw distance, check Halo 3.

Lair's background is empty.

RazMaTaz-1

A halo 2 vamped engine running on a next gen console? its pretty obvious it will have a large range.

Halo 3 runs on it's own engine built from the ground-up for that game, like all bungie projects. Again, cows demonstrate that they dont have the slightest understanding of the things they bash so often. 

I also laugh at the number of cows that think Lair is currently in an alpha build, despite the fact that it's releasing in what, eight week?

 Rediculous.
 

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

[QUOTE="noIinteam"]I like to see the link where it was stated that lair can't be done on the 360 instead of your own opinionDreams-Visions

check out the episode on IGN with the new TooHuman,Lair, and Chrome Wii episode.

any game can be redone on another platform.  it's simply a function of what compromises your going to make and from where.  Bungie will say the same about Halo 3.  Bioware will say the same of Mass Effect.  It's a half-truth.  A game can't be done on that other piece of hardware...but if they finished the sentence, it would read like this:

"_______ game can't be done on ________ hardware [without making some changes]." 

It can be done.  Anything else that's said is just a dev trying to sell their product.

Ownage approved.

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="acekall"]

1 km draw distance, check Halo 3.

Lair's background is empty.

Ninja-Vox

A halo 2 vamped engine running on a next gen console? its pretty obvious it will have a large range.

Halo 3 runs on it's own engine built from the ground-up for that game, like all bungie projects. Again, cows demonstrate that they dont have the slightest understanding of the things they bash so often. 

:| Do you assume every person is a cow if they talk about a playstation game?

Ok, lets say if it is being from ground up, lets say it is still in Pre-Alpha stage to, the same can be said for Lair. Its Pri-Alpha, and its built from the ground up, and it shows what Next Gen really means. Halo3 however hasnt shown anything mindblowing, hell, it looks like Halo 2.

I own all consoles but i still await a game that has:

-Multiple DIFFERENT enemies on screen.

-Drawback distance of 1km.

**Lair is the first one to archieve this IMO. With different and loads of enemies on screen, each with different programed AI. (Ice dragons, Rhinoes, thousand of soldiers, and a colossus on one screen, each programed with different AI).

**Draw back distance without objects not randomly popping up like 360's Saints Row and Oblivion. i dont see anything like thiss in Lair, where objects just randomly

I havnt seen a 360 game do this yet.

Discuss

 

RazMaTaz-1

Just because you haven't seen a 360 game do this, doesn't mean it CAN'T do it. Plus, Oblivion is a solid example of this. I have no idea what you're talking about, things don't pop up randomly in Oblivion and the draw distance is ENORMOUS in Oblivion. 

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

I own all consoles but i still await a game that has:

-Multiple DIFFERENT enemies on screen.

-Drawback distance of 1km.

**Lair is the first one to archieve this IMO. With different and loads of enemies on screen, each with different programed AI. (Ice dragons, Rhinoes, thousand of soldiers, and a colossus on one screen, each programed with different AI).

**Draw back distance without objects not randomly popping up like 360's Saints Row and Oblivion. i dont see anything like thiss in Lair, where objects just randomly

I havnt seen a 360 game do this yet.

Discuss

 

HyperMetaDragon

Just because you haven't seen a 360 game do this, doesn't mean it CAN'T do it. Plus, Oblivion is a solid example of this. I have no idea what you're talking about, things don't pop up randomly in Oblivion and the draw distance is ENORMOUS in Oblivion.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="acekall"]

1 km draw distance, check Halo 3.

Lair's background is empty.

RazMaTaz-1

A halo 2 vamped engine running on a next gen console? its pretty obvious it will have a large range.

Halo 3 runs on it's own engine built from the ground-up for that game, like all bungie projects. Again, cows demonstrate that they dont have the slightest understanding of the things they bash so often.

:| Do you assume every person is a cow if they talk about a playstation game?

Ok, lets say if it is being from ground up, lets say it is still in Pre-Alpha stage to, the same can be said for Lair. Its Pri-Alpha, and its built from the ground up, and it shows what Next Gen really means. Halo3 however hasnt shown anything mindblowing, hell, it looks like Halo 2.

Lair never even had a pre-alpha build. You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about. The footage shown of Halo 3 is from months ago; running on a modified halo 2 engine. The game now runs on the halo 3 engine, built specifically for this game; like all bungie projects.

The halo 3 BETA starts in a couple of weeks; yet the game isn't out for half a year. It is impossible for Lair to be in alpha, if it's out in two months. Impossible.

Yeah just like Capcom said that DMC4 couldn't have bee done on 360. Good thing they decided to make it multiplatform on 360 because they would have been laughed to death at by Team Ninja when Ninja Gaiden 2 comes out.

Capcom, "DMC4 can only be done on PS3."

Tecmo, "I'm then why does our Ninja Gaiden 2 look so much better? Hell why does our remake of an xbox game look better?"

Moral of the story. Don't listen to devs anything on 360 can be done on PS3 and vice versa. Cows you guys claimed that Itagaki was a freaking Saint because he was real about developers complaining about PS3 architecture now you're just being hypocritical about it. If the dev is talented enough he can make the game for each system, period end of discussion. Sure there might be some minor differences but more or less they will be the same.

well I think this looks good. no pop up.

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

I own all consoles but i still await a game that has:

-Multiple DIFFERENT enemies on screen.

-Drawback distance of 1km.

**Lair is the first one to archieve this IMO. With different and loads of enemies on screen, each with different programed AI. (Ice dragons, Rhinoes, thousand of soldiers, and a colossus on one screen, each programed with different AI).

**Draw back distance without objects not randomly popping up like 360's Saints Row and Oblivion. i dont see anything like thiss in Lair, where objects just randomly

I havnt seen a 360 game do this yet.

Discuss

 

HyperMetaDragon

Just because you haven't seen a 360 game do this, doesn't mean it CAN'T do it. Plus, Oblivion is a solid example of this. I have no idea what you're talking about, things don't pop up randomly in Oblivion and the draw distance is ENORMOUS in Oblivion. 

I never said it can. I said i await a game to reach this level. It amazing that a first wave game can already archieve things.

I own oblivion, and sometimes details need to be loaded when you are exploring. Just check the 360 Vs PS3 comparision video on GTrailers, and you will notice it.

I own all consoles but i still await a game that has:

-Multiple DIFFERENT enemies on screen.

-Drawback distance of 1km.

**Lair is the first one to archieve this IMO. With different and loads of enemies on screen, each with different programed AI. (Ice dragons, Rhinoes, thousand of soldiers, and a colossus on one screen, each programed with different AI).

**Draw back distance without objects not randomly popping up like 360's Saints Row and Oblivion. i dont see anything like thiss in Lair, where objects just randomly

I havnt seen a 360 game do this yet.

Discuss

 

RazMaTaz-1

 You own nothing. Nobody who own X360 will never hype crap looking Lair, it's just laughable after Gears, Crackdown and so on. 

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="acekall"]

1 km draw distance, check Halo 3.

Lair's background is empty.

Ninja-Vox

A halo 2 vamped engine running on a next gen console? its pretty obvious it will have a large range.

Halo 3 runs on it's own engine built from the ground-up for that game, like all bungie projects. Again, cows demonstrate that they dont have the slightest understanding of the things they bash so often.

:| Do you assume every person is a cow if they talk about a playstation game?

Ok, lets say if it is being from ground up, lets say it is still in Pre-Alpha stage to, the same can be said for Lair. Its Pri-Alpha, and its built from the ground up, and it shows what Next Gen really means. Halo3 however hasnt shown anything mindblowing, hell, it looks like Halo 2.

Lair never even had a pre-alpha build. You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about. The footage shown of Halo 3 is from months ago; running on a modified halo 2 engine. The game now runs on the halo 3 engine, built specifically for this game; like all bungie projects.

The halo 3 BETA starts in a couple of weeks; yet the game isn't out for half a year. It is impossible for Lair to be in alpha, if it's out in two months. Impossible.

You contradicted yourself :lol:

and what do you know about Pre-Alpha stages and stuff? The dev himself said it was Prealpha, a game can be optimized at any time and vamped up near the end to, so you - clueless.