"The PC"

OK, I'm gonna get flamed for this but I gotta get it off my chest. Why is it that some posters in system wars act as if PC is some sort of unique platform.The PC is a just a generic computer. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it has multiple manufacturers, and it isn't meant specifically for games. Does it have a launch date, how many games were available for launch,what does it look like? Now I'm not here to bash PC, just the way people use the term PC here. For example, I saw a poster say "The PS3 and 360 will never surpass the PC" Like really?PCs arent a unique gaming platform like the consoles are ,they're basically an embodiment of current processing technology. When a new processor or gpu releases,computers can use them unlike consoles. Computers aren't static like gaming consoles,so why again are we comparing the two. Another thing, computers have potential to become more powerful than consoles, but why is it that posters act like all of them are more powerful. My laptop doesn't touch my PS3 or 360 in terms of spec and it costs over $1000.

this isn't a very interesting PC trolling thread :?

tips for next time:

less text, UC 2 is graphics king, more nonsense statements.

OK, I'm gonna get flamed for this but I gotta get it off my chest. Why is it that some posters in system wars act as if PC is some sort of unique platform.The PC is a just a generic computer. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it has multiple manufacturers, and it isn't meant specifically for games. Does it have a launch date, how many games were available for launch,what does it look like?Now I'm not here to bash PC, just the way people use the term PC here. For example, I saw a poster say "The PS3 and 360 will never surpass the PC" Like really?PCsarent a unique gaming platform like the consoles are,they're basicallyan embodiment of current processing technology. When a new processor or gpureleases,computers can use them unlike consoles.Computers aren't static like gaming consoles,so why again are we comparing the two. Another thing, computers have potential to become morepowerful than consoles, but why is it that posters act like all of them are more powerful. My laptop doesn't touch my PS3 or 360 in terms of spec and it costs over $1000.

1Stark1

You should've spent your money more wisely on a laptop that costs over $1,000 then.
http://www.alienware.com/Landings/m11x.aspx

When people refer to PCs here, they refer to gaming PCs, most of which today are easily more powerful than consoles. No one ever said all, but it's easier to say PC than to explain all that each time.

What laptop do you have?tagyhag

http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.CM_SCID.coll.item.E165748.desc.HP-DV7-173-Notebook-6GB-RAM-500GB-HD-Bluray-Win73YR-McAfee

That one, but in white.

this isn't a very interesting PC trolling thread :?

tips for next time:

less text, UC 2 is graphics king, more nonsense statements.

Dead-Memories

No, I'm not trolling whatsoever. I just find it crazythat PC fans act above everyone else when their platform is basically a computer that can use current techology while consoles are static:|

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]What laptop do you have?1Stark1

http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.CM_SCID.coll.item.E165748.desc.HP-DV7-173-Notebook-6GB-RAM-500GB-HD-Bluray-Win73YR-McAfee

That one, but in white.

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

OK, I'm gonna get flamed for this but I gotta get it off my chest. Why is it that some posters in system wars act as if PC is some sort of unique platform.The PC is a just a generic computer. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it has multiple manufacturers, and it isn't meant specifically for games. Does it have a launch date, how many games were available for launch,what does it look like?Now I'm not here to bash PC, just the way people use the term PC here. For example, I saw a poster say "The PS3 and 360 will never surpass the PC" Like really?PCsarent a unique gaming platform like the consoles are,they're basicallyan embodiment of current processing technology. When a new processor or gpureleases,computers can use them unlike consoles.Computers aren't static like gaming consoles,so why again are we comparing the two. Another thing, computers have potential to become morepowerful than consoles, but why is it that posters act like all of them are more powerful. My laptop doesn't touch my PS3 or 360 in terms of spec and it costs over $1000.

Mystic-G

You should've spent your money more wisely on a laptop that costs over $1,000 then.
http://www.alienware.com/Landings/m11x.aspx

When people refer to PCs here, they refer to gaming PCs, most of which today are easily more powerful than consoles. No one ever said all, but it's easier to say PC than to explain all that each time.

Well of course, computers can use the newest tech. I just find it funny that Hermit act as if they're doing something by saying PC is more powerful. I mean computers can use any new tech that releases, consoles can't. A computer isn't a unique gaming platform, thats the only point I'm trying to make. So when Hermits say things like "Consoles will never surpass PC" I just want them to see the error in that comparison.

I know what you're saying. Don't let it get to you. This place in general doesn't make any sense. Especially sentences that contain "PC". The majority of time spent on the PC isn't for gaming. And this hurts people. hehe humans

You should've spent your money more wisely on a laptop that costs over $1,000 then.
http://www.alienware.com/Landings/m11x.aspx

When people refer to PCs here, they refer to gaming PCs, most of which today are easily more powerful than consoles. No one ever said all, but it's easier to say PC than to explain all that each time.

Mystic-G

So... because there are PCs that are weak, we should be unable to talk about those that can whip the console's asses into next week?Head_of_games

Well its a computer:| Its upgradeable:| Its not even a unique gaming platform:| I mean when did the PC even launch? See what I mean, computers arent to be compared to consoles. You act as if PC is a unique gaming system or something:roll: The current consoles are 4-5 years old, big whoop if something that can upgrade can beat consoles.

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[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

OK, I'm gonna get flamed for this but I gotta get it off my chest. Why is it that some posters in system wars act as if PC is some sort of unique platform.The PC is a just a generic computer. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it has multiple manufacturers, and it isn't meant specifically for games. Does it have a launch date, how many games were available for launch,what does it look like?Now I'm not here to bash PC, just the way people use the term PC here. For example, I saw a poster say "The PS3 and 360 will never surpass the PC" Like really?PCsarent a unique gaming platform like the consoles are,they're basicallyan embodiment of current processing technology. When a new processor or gpureleases,computers can use them unlike consoles.Computers aren't static like gaming consoles,so why again are we comparing the two. Another thing, computers have potential to become morepowerful than consoles, but why is it that posters act like all of them are more powerful. My laptop doesn't touch my PS3 or 360 in terms of spec and it costs over $1000.

1Stark1

You should've spent your money more wisely on a laptop that costs over $1,000 then.
http://www.alienware.com/Landings/m11x.aspx

When people refer to PCs here, they refer to gaming PCs, most of which today are easily more powerful than consoles. No one ever said all, but it's easier to say PC than to explain all that each time.

Well of course, computers can use the newest tech. I just find it funny that Hermit act as if they're doing something by saying PC is more powerful. I mean computers can use any new tech that releases, consoles can't. A computer isn't a unique gaming platform, thats the only point I'm trying to make. So when Hermits say things like "Consoles will never surpass PC" I just want them to see the error in that comparison.

Ummm... ok? Like I said, its all in reference to gaming computers. You act like you speak on something no one's noticed. You think console gamers or PC gamers are somehow unaware that there are computers in the world that don't compare to consoles? We all know this and accepted it, maybe you should to.

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]So... because there are PCs that are weak, we should be unable to talk about those that can whip the console's asses into next week?1Stark1

Well its a computer:| Its upgradeable:| Its not even a unique gaming platform:| I mean when did the PC even launch? See what I mean, computers arent to be compared to consoles. You act as if PC is a unique gaming system or something:roll: The current consoles are 4-5 years old, big whoop if something that can upgrade can beat consoles.

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]What laptop do you have?tagyhag

http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.CM_SCID.coll.item.E165748.desc.HP-DV7-173-Notebook-6GB-RAM-500GB-HD-Bluray-Win73YR-McAfee

That one, but in white.

Unfortunately, its CPU and GPU SUCK. You can tell it just isn't designed for gaming at all. Maybe it's... I really can't tell what it would be designed for. Maybe they designed it so people who don't know a whole lot about computers would get frustrated and upgrade at some unnessesarily early point.

Well, if it'll comfort you any......

Consoles already had 3D-acceleration for games back in 1995 while PCs had to wait until near the end of 1996. It actually didn't take off on the Pc until early 1997. But when 3D acceleration finally did take off on the PC, it was a firestorm.

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[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]So... because there are PCs that are weak, we should be unable to talk about those that can whip the console's asses into next week?Head_of_games

Well its a computer:| Its upgradeable:| Its not even a unique gaming platform:| I mean when did the PC even launch? See what I mean, computers arent to be compared to consoles. You act as if PC is a unique gaming system or something:roll: The current consoles are 4-5 years old, big whoop if something that can upgrade can beat consoles.

Its all up to preference, its subjective. No, the PC doesn't win. Current technology wins, its the graphics cards and proceessor updates that keep computers where its at. If consoles were upgradable,everything would be at the same level and then you would see how generic computers are.I don't think you're getting my point that computers are generic machines. I don't mean anything derogatory when i say generic, I just mean its not a unique gaming system.

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="1Stark1"]

Well its a computer:| Its upgradeable:| Its not even a unique gaming platform:| I mean when did the PC even launch? See what I mean, computers arent to be compared to consoles. You act as if PC is a unique gaming system or something:roll: The current consoles are 4-5 years old, big whoop if something that can upgrade can beat consoles.

1Stark1

Its all up to preference, its subjective. No, the PC doesn't win. Current technology wins, its the graphicscards and proceessor updates that keepcomputers where its at. If consoles were upgradable,everything wouldat the same level and then you would see how generic computers are.I don't think you're getting my point that computers are generic machines. I don't mean anything derogatory when i say generic, I just mean its not a unique gaming system.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]What laptop do you have?1Stark1

http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.CM_SCID.coll.item.E165748.desc.HP-DV7-173-Notebook-6GB-RAM-500GB-HD-Bluray-Win73YR-McAfee

That one, but in white.

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="1Stark1"]

Well its a computer:| Its upgradeable:| Its not even a unique gaming platform:| I mean when did the PC even launch? See what I mean, computers arent to be compared to consoles. You act as if PC is a unique gaming system or something:roll: The current consoles are 4-5 years old, big whoop if something that can upgrade can beat consoles.

1Stark1

Its all up to preference, its subjective. No, the PC doesn't win. Current technology wins, its the graphics cards and proceessor updates that keep computers where its at. If consoles were upgradable,everything would be at the same level and then you would see how generic computers are.I don't think you're getting my point that computers are generic machines. I don't mean anything derogatory when i say generic, I just mean its not a unique gaming system.

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="1Stark1"]

Well its a computer:| Its upgradeable:| Its not even a unique gaming platform:| I mean when did the PC even launch? See what I mean, computers arent to be compared to consoles. You act as if PC is a unique gaming system or something:roll: The current consoles are 4-5 years old, big whoop if something that can upgrade can beat consoles.

1Stark1

Its all up to preference, its subjective. No, the PC doesn't win. Current technology wins, its the graphicscards and proceessor updates that keepcomputers where its at. If consoles were upgradable,everything wouldat the same level and then you would see how generic computers are.I don't think you're getting my point that computers are generic machines. I don't mean anything derogatory when i say generic, I just mean its not a unique gaming system.

Hang on, what makes a console a console and a PC a PC?

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"] So... we're agreed that PC is a much better gaming machine than any of the consoles? And you think it's so good it should be excluded from system wars because it's simply undebatable that the PC wins?Mystic-G

Its all up to preference, its subjective. No, the PC doesn't win. Current technology wins, its the graphicscards and proceessor updates that keepcomputers where its at. If consoles were upgradable,everything wouldat the same level and then you would see how generic computers are.I don't think you're getting my point that computers are generic machines. I don't mean anything derogatory when i say generic, I just mean its not a unique gaming system.

Look at the logic at this statements and hopefully, you'll see where I'm coming from. "The Wii will never surpass PC, PC has a much more powerful processor and the gpu runs circles around the Wii. I can't wait to buy PC" "I can't wait to have a PC launch party with my friends" "PC has a launch date of XXXX" If these don't sound right, you get where I'm coming from. I'm just saying that posters here act as if PC is a unique platform. I mean Sony, Acer, Alienware,HP, Toshiba, and Samsung all make them. They're general purpose computers that mold with current technology:| yet everyone act like its doing something when it beats out 5 year technology. Thats why I don't get why posters are boasting about PC advantages.:|

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="1Stark1"]

Well its a computer:| Its upgradeable:| Its not even a unique gaming platform:| I mean when did the PC even launch? See what I mean, computers arent to be compared to consoles. You act as if PC is a unique gaming system or something:roll: The current consoles are 4-5 years old, big whoop if something that can upgrade can beat consoles.

1Stark1

Its all up to preference, its subjective. No, the PC doesn't win. Current technology wins, its the graphics cards and proceessor updates that keep computers where its at. If consoles were upgradable,everything would be at the same level and then you would see how generic computers are.I don't think you're getting my point that computers are generic machines. I don't mean anything derogatory when i say generic, I just mean its not a unique gaming system.

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

[QUOTE="Head_of_games"] So... we're agreed that PC is a much better gaming machine than any of the consoles? And you think it's so good it should be excluded from system wars because it's simply undebatable that the PC wins?Blade8Aus

Its all up to preference, its subjective. No, the PC doesn't win. Current technology wins, its the graphicscards and proceessor updates that keepcomputers where its at. If consoles were upgradable,everything wouldat the same level and then you would see how generic computers are.I don't think you're getting my point that computers are generic machines. I don't mean anything derogatory when i say generic, I just mean its not a unique gaming system.

Hang on, what makes a console a console and a PC a PC?

What makes a console- Having an exact launch date, not being upgradeable with current technology, not being general purpose, having an exact controller, having a name that isn't as generic as Personal Computer

I guess no one gets where I'm coming from.......sigh

I guess no one gets where I'm coming from.......sigh

1Stark1

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

I guess no one gets where I'm coming from.......sigh

Vaasman

I see that even basic concepts such as "platform" are too hard to grasp for some people. Ok, I suppose it's logical, if you're playing on consoles you're bound to not 'get' a lot of things about the PC. So, my dear TC, pay attention to the following:

- The PC (Personal Computer) is a gaming platform. But what does that mean, you ask? Well, you can play games on it. Yes, it's true. Games made for PC cannot be played on any other machine, therefore it is a distinct and unique platform.

- "But it changes all the time!" I hear you cry out in despair. Yes. You see, the PC, in contrast to consoles, is an open platform. That means that you can change the software and hardware at will.

[intermission, to give our friend a little time to absord all that knowledge]

...

-"But, but when was it launched?" According to Wikipedia, the PC platform was launched on August 12, 1981 (link). I really don't know the launch games since it was almost 30 years ago, but the PC platform has accumulated thousands upon thousands of games since then, with no sign of stopping.

- "But how can you compare the PC to 360 and PS3??". Here's how. You can play games on 360 and PS3. Poorly, but you can. You can also play games on PC. Shocking, isn't it?

- "But I paid 1000$ for a laptop and it sucks at gaming!". Tough luck. At some point the average consumer is going to have to come to terms with the fact that it's a bad idea to buy stuff because they are shiny and new. You could have paid a lot less money and bought a system that would offer better performance than any console, if you had only taken the time to do a little research or go to the PC hardware forum here on Gamespot and ask. So, I sympathize with the fact that you bought a lame laptop and now you're stuck with the consoles' poor performance, but it's really your own fault. Deal with it.

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I guess no one gets where I'm coming from.......sigh

Vaasman

Basically that a computer isn't a unique gaming platform and that Hermits shouldn't act as if they're doing something when a computer( that can accept current graphics card and processors) beats out static 5 year old technology.

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[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

I guess no one gets where I'm coming from.......sigh

SAGE_OF_FIRE

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

I guess no one gets where I'm coming from.......sigh

1Stark1

Basically that a computer isn't a unique gaming platform and that Hermits shouldn't act as if they're doing something when a computer( that can accept current graphics card and processors) beats out static 5 year old technology.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

I guess no one gets where I'm coming from.......sigh

1Stark1

Basically that a computer isn't a unique gaming platform and that Hermits shouldn't act as if they're doing something when a computer( that can accept current graphics card and processors) beats out static 5 year old technology.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

I guess no one gets where I'm coming from.......sigh

1Stark1

Basically that a computer isn't a unique gaming platform and that Hermits shouldn't act as if they're doing something when a computer( that can accept current graphics card and processors) beats out static 5 year old technology.

Well I just had an argument to counter all of your previous gibberish. But now that you have it summarised, this will be so much easier and more meaningful.

In that case, consoles aren't considered a standard platform and consolites shouldn't "act as if they're doing something" when each console available at for purchase uses ancient and out-dated technology.

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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Why don't you sum it up neatly then, to get your point across. As it stands right now, I can't decide what you are trying to argue.

Vaasman

Basically that a computer isn't a unique gaming platform and that Hermits shouldn't act as if they're doing something when a computer( that can accept current graphics card and processors) beats out static 5 year old technology.

Thats another way of putting it. Yes yes, I know PS3 and 360 have Bluray and DVD, that the excuse that a lot of PC fans would flock to. But computers go beyond what consoles can do in terms of general purpose use.

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[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

Basically that a computer isn't a unique gaming platform and that Hermits shouldn't act as if they're doing something when a computer( that can accept current graphics card and processors) beats out static 5 year old technology.

1Stark1

Thats another way of putting it. Yes yes, I know PS3 and 360 have Bluray and DVD, that the excuse that a lot of PC fans would flock to. But computers go beyond what consoles can do in terms of general purpose use.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

Basically that a computer isn't a unique gaming platform and that Hermits shouldn't act as if they're doing something when a computer( that can accept current graphics card and processors) beats out static 5 year old technology.

1Stark1

Thats another way of putting it. Yes yes, I know PS3 and 360 have Bluray and DVD, that the excuse that a lot of PC fans would flock to. But computers go beyond what consoles can do in terms of general purpose use.

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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]What do you mean a computer isn't a "unique gaming platform"? That makes no sense. Do you mean a computer isn't specifically a gaming platform?

Vaasman

Thats another way of putting it. Yes yes, I know PS3 and 360 have Bluray and DVD, that the excuse that a lot of PC fans would flock to. But computers go beyond what consoles can do in terms of general purpose use.

He wants a specific build with a name to it. Pointless really...

The PC is nothing without the hardware that powers it. You could see it this way: every now a new piece of hardware gets released and games are made for it. It's constant evolution just that you aren't hardware limited like on the consoles. This is both good and bad. The good side is that you can see amazing progress and that everyone can make games for the PC. The bad side is that hardware gets outdated quickly (if you aren't exactly undemanding) and that it's hard to "max out" the hardware. That's why many publishers now focus more on consoles. They're cheaper to develop and bring more cash (except in the case of some PC specific genres).

PC generations in SW are limited to the release of the first "next-gen" console until the end of that same generation. Thus all games released in that time frame are current generation. In terms of hardware we generally go off what the most powerful PC is capable of.

PC is compared here because it is not the be all and end all, and least of all a perfect system, thus it is still debateable on which is "best" in some aspects or to individuals.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

this isn't a very interesting PC trolling thread :?

tips for next time:

less text, UC 2 is graphics king, more nonsense statements.

1Stark1

No, I'm not trolling whatsoever. I just find it crazythat PC fans act above everyone else when their platform is basically a computer that can use current techology while consoles are static:|

and you just said exactly why PC is above console. PC uses current tech while console is stagnant.

Now I'm not here to bash PC [...]

1Stark1

BTW TC:

Your laptop isn't a gaming machine per say, but that doesn't mean it won't play games. You could easily set yourself up with a gog.com account and a steam account and have access to a HUGE load of kick-ass games that will play just fine on your (non-gaming) laptop.

PC isn't defined by generations. It's a continual spectrum of pure gaming heaven.

Some stuff you might want to look into:

Check outhttp://www.gog.com/en/frontpage/You should easily be able to play ANY of those great old games on the PC.

There's also nothing stopping you from playing plants vs zombies and peggle and Sim City 4, and braid, and machinarium, and Trine, or any number of modern games that are easy on system requirements. Sins of a solar empire is just another example of an epic game that will run just fine on your system, so is Galactic Civ II, and the older Total War games.

I looked up your video card, it seems that will run Half-Life 2 at 49 FPS on medium settings. That's almost 20 FPS faster than the consoles. Pretty good for a non-gaming latptop, wouldn't you say?

There you go, even your non-so gaming friendly laptop can play a huge library of great PC games. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised, if the library that your low end, non gaming laptop can play is larger than the current library of Xbox 360 games.

Maybe now, you'll have a glimpse as to why we love the platform so damn much.

You wasted $1,000 on something that would have cost way less if you built it yourself. Just saying.

OK, I'm gonna get flamed for this but I gotta get it off my chest. Why is it that some posters in system wars act as if PC is some sort of unique platform.The PC is a just a generic computer. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it has multiple manufacturers, and it isn't meant specifically for games. Does it have a launch date, how many games were available for launch,what does it look like? Now I'm not here to bash PC, just the way people use the term PC here. For example, I saw a poster say "The PS3 and 360 will never surpass the PC" Like really?PCs arent a unique gaming platform like the consoles are ,they're basically an embodiment of current processing technology. When a new processor or gpu releases,computers can use them unlike consoles. Computers aren't static like gaming consoles,so why again are we comparing the two. Another thing, computers have potential to become more powerful than consoles, but why is it that posters act like all of them are more powerful. My laptop doesn't touch my PS3 or 360 in terms of spec and it costs over $1000.

1Stark1

you do realise a gamind PC from 2005 can still play games at higher resolutions than consoles right?? and when we get into the 2006 and 2007 years they completely destroy them.

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

OK, I'm gonna get flamed for this but I gotta get it off my chest. Why is it that some posters in system wars act as if PC is some sort of unique platform.The PC is a just a generic computer. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it has multiple manufacturers, and it isn't meant specifically for games. Does it have a launch date, how many games were available for launch,what does it look like?Now I'm not here to bash PC, just the way people use the term PC here. For example, I saw a poster say "The PS3 and 360 will never surpass the PC" Like really?PCsarent a unique gaming platform like the consoles are,they're basicallyan embodiment of current processing technology. When a new processor or gpureleases,computers can use them unlike consoles.Computers aren't static like gaming consoles,so why again are we comparing the two. Another thing, computers have potential to become morepowerful than consoles, but why is it that posters act like all of them are more powerful. My laptop doesn't touch my PS3 or 360 in terms of spec and it costs over $1000.

Mystic-G

You should've spent your money more wisely on a laptop that costs over $1,000 then.
http://www.alienware.com/Landings/m11x.aspx

When people refer to PCs here, they refer to gaming PCs, most of which today are easily more powerful than consoles. No one ever said all, but it's easier to say PC than to explain all that each time.

My Radeon HD4890 is my gaming console. It was released in 2009 and was just over half the price of a Xbox 360. It can run any current game in 1920x1080, or 1080p if you want. Sadly like a console it can't be upgraded, but i can overclock it or replace it. Just like you can replace your PS2 for a PS3. Just had to place it in a computer just like you have to connect a console to a TV.